You get 2 points and an assist badge for thawing.

oh, you are right, can take that out

I like the percent system from excessiveplus.

plz die in ass

You like the system from edawn I take it? :)

I agree with everything you said.
Really sucks as it is...

Was the original FT like this too? e.g. no stack reset after a round or no speccing while frozen?

Yes, it was almost exactly like this. I pretty much like how it's played right now. The fact that you take your health and equipment with you to the next round is a nice thing, imo. It keeps the game interesting. I would not change it.

Why shouldn't NMEs push you around? It gives the game more tactical depth, when they can push you away from the rim of a pit to prevent your mates pushing you into the void.

I'm still for the respawn, rather than letting you just "unthaw", letting you play where you got killed. It makes the game faster and more dynamic.

I agree with the SPEC thing and the progress bars. Or at least sounds. The old FT had a sound triggered as soon as you came near your mate. That gave you AND your surrounding NMEs some kind of feedback.

Uh? What? What FreezeTag did you play? Stack resets have always been a part of it aside from iFT, obviously.

Sure, but I like the way it's beeing played right now.

I agree, guessing it will eventually come.

ID should make it like it was in the UFT mod for Q3A. :|

I have been giving a lot of complete feedback stating most of what you said before but it seems they want to keep it like it for some reason... I'm guessing they want to renew freezetag a bit so its somewhat "their" baby but

the community needs to react and state what we really want.

The two most important things to change right now is

1) the weapon respawn (should be MG ONLY like in tdm)
2) all items you wear need to disappear when a round ends, you should have a health regain up(down?) to atleast 100 health.



I have a lot of other ideas/concerns, mostly what you gave + several other stuff but Im too much in a hurry right now to post everything!

+1

And there should be a sound when you start thawing a team mate. It's a big part of FT.

Weapon dropping must be disabled for the same reason as all the items should disappear after each round.

Dunno if the 5sec "get ready" is good between rounds.

you have exactly the same thoughts as me my padawan <3

Why would you want to start all over again with 0 weapons / default Health? I think it gives the game more dynamics.

? because else it's another random ffa mode...

Hmm, I really love this feature. Right before the end of a round you have to think about getting some health back and prepare for the next fight. I think just because of that the game won't slow down and I like that.

I bet you never played freezetag before...

Of course I did, and I loved it back then. But I don't really see that much of a downgrade when they keep the health/weapons the way it's played now.

ye some things need adjusting to follow the osp ft ruleset but, does it really matter that much when nobody is even playing it? all i see is empty servers or is that part of my 'free subscription'? :x

FT in QL seems to be missing many features.

No, you should respawn, not start where you left off.

Progress bar? That hard to wait ~3 seconds?

Shooting frozen enemies has always been part of freezetag. It's part of the strategy and gameplay that is freezetag.

Agree on team spec.

Progress bar? That hard to wait ~3 second

atm its kinda hard to tell when the thawing even starts... and why not give the player the information so he can do better decisions?
and what happens if two people are near a teammate, does it only need half the time then? if you get out of the radius, is the time you need to thaw completely reset? hard to tell without a a progress bar or something similar. and is there any reason against it?

No, you should respawn, not start where you left off.

i havent played enough ft in the past to judge it gameplay wise, but it just doesnt feel right. any reason why you prefer respawns?

Shooting frozen enemies has always been part of freezetag. It's part of the strategy and gameplay that is freezetag.

there have been different rulesets for this depending on what mod/game you played freezetag in, i think it favors defensive (camping) gameplay a lot so i dont like it at least for public play

You should ideally hear a sound as soon as you start to thaw. Ideally ofc, I don't know whether it's like that in QL's version or not. I'd consider it flawed if you didn't hear it, however.

I've played a few servers where they tried spawning where you were frozen but it never works out. In a lot of the cases, the person who froze you goes off and camps some hall while waiting for a teammate to thaw you. As soon as you get thawed he kills/freezes both of you. Honestly, I prefer respawns just for that alone.

Sure it favors defensive gameplay but that's pretty much how freezetag was/is. It's always been in an enemy's favor to shoot a frozen enemy AWAY from a group of other frozen enemies. That way somebody on the opposing team can't thaw 2+ teammates at one time but one at a time instead.

I'd rather have a sound, so then you could just time it like weapon reaload times.

this

there should be some skill involved in timing ur thaws, not get everything handed to u by adding a thaw bar, sound is good, nothing more :>

hey you paid 25$ for it I'm sure they'll fix it.

:D

Yesterday I'd have agreed with you on the spectactor thing but having played it more my opinion has turned. It's part of the excitement to stay in frozen POV when there's lots of action around you, to see people succeed in reviving, fail miserably, or just betray you altogether. It's often quite exhilarating to see you completely helpless. I also have a feeling it's technically difficult to have you spectate whilst still "alive" but I could be wrong on that.

I also don't think the winning team should respawn, it's interesting to see the momentum a winning team can gain, or lose. It's not unfair, they get to keep their weapons, as reward for winning, but they might be low on health. This rule and the fact that you can't spectate adds to the unique feeling of a "continuous round game."

I'm not sure that it's a good idea that you spawn where you died. Often at the place of revival there's complete chaos and likely you'll suffer immediate damage or die, which can defeat the purpose of a "second life", and nullify the heroic action of your teammate. The rule in any quake game mode has always been random respawns. And again there might be a question of technical difficulties in that every map has set spawn points.

I think it adds a strategic element to be able to push frozen players around, both for the enemy team but also the revival team. Like pushing bodies together to be able to simultaneously thaw two players, or more, or push them into a lava, slime. So both teams can take advantage of this. Actions of the enemy team to "gather" dead bodies can also easily backfire, if they die protecting a bunch they just make it easier for the other team to quickly revive multiple players.

As for the PG or MG start, like anything gameplay related it should be based on whether it's good for the overall balance. One way of thinking about is that if a team loses, they're likely worse, so allowing them a solid beginning weapon allows them to get right in it. A MG start might be too difficult, but that might also depend on the map. Haven't played enough to form an opinion on this though; it might just be too much of an advantage for the losing team.

A progress bar seems like an obvious addition, if not just for newbies to understand better. I'm sure they'll add that in the next update since that would be in line with the "newbie friendly" direction they're going.

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eww... why did you post :(

I hate almost all of your ideas, except for the random respawn which I agree on.

MG start
ITEMS disappear
HP regain
NO round countdown


-> PLZ

I agree with him completely, no idea why you are complaining tbh

here he is with good reasoning and you're just like EW NO, THE OPPOSITE

im sorry for beeing too lazy to write a wall of text.

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I like FT in Quakelive that's the only thing I play atm^^

Agree with most things but not sure about this:
- health/weapons should be reset after each round

Seems like this would make it too much like CA.

I thought it was quite interesting how one team is often at an advantage at the start of the round, meaning the other has to work hard to regain it. For instance, one team might dominate, winning 3 in a row, until a close round leaves them weak and therefore lets the freshly spawned enemy team win. This can lead to the opposing team to having a winning streak and pulling it back. This exchange in dominance adds some depth?

agree

it adds nothing, just a noobs balance.

The better team should be the one who can win each round with health regain and item reset...

The losing team will all spawn probably near a weapon or something, but atm how freezetag looks: I played a few games of freezetag yesterday, I was taking the quad and all weapons and completely raped the other team 4 rounds in a row because I had 200-100 all weaps and quad....

It only started to slow down when I ran out of ammo kind of, and then the quad respawned and I did it again.

This version is highly flawed, it gives way too much advantage to the winning team because as you said, with the round countdown you can anticipate the end of the round and grab health/armor whilst your enemies that just spawned desperately try to find something to kill.

I see your point but isn't that largely because it's new and people don't know how to play? Perhaps it should be something like reset health and armour but not weapons, or the other way round? I just think everyone resetting to default with the same makes it too much like CA. Although you could still have some advantage if you aren't forced to respawn.

hmmm..
Well thinking about it... I'm not sure what's best. What was it in osp, reset everything and start with mg+sg? Seemed to work quite well actually. I also remember powerups disappeared between rounds if you were holding them.

And because the FT servers are full of noobs too.

Even I had a few games where I had like 25 kills and 5 deaths. And i'm just a lil above average.

it doesnt make it like CA at all !

You missed the part where I say there should not be any round countdown, the next round should start as soon as the last one ended.

In OSP at each end of round, Powerups/Armours/Weapons all disappeared. This adds to creativity and strategy, because you can't take a quad when only one enemy is still alive and your whole team is chasing him. You'd camp for the quad. On the other side, you will pick the quad up but will only wear machinegun and no armour.

This would be way more fun believe me, and without removing any fun from the gamemode, it would also allow for some competitive games/clan wars/ leagues.

Remember in OSP times, we had a few seasons of big success with nations cups, opencups and a lot of close and tense games with some big names playing

I have to admit, I agree with you now.

Played a couple of FT matches yesterday, and the opponent team clearly exploited that feature: One/Two of them were chasing the leftovers of my team whilst the rest was stacking theirselves up with new ammo, health and armor and prepare for the next fight. With the new round my team had literally nothing to play with and so we lost like four/five rounds in a row.

I do like the general idea of taking your weapons with you to the next round, but I'm clearly out of arguments after my yesterday's matches and I'm for a change now. :P

aaaaaaah <3

tbh That won't work when you play against people of your own skill or a bit lower skill.

yes it will, I'm currently picturing games of 4K players vs FNATIC players and whichever team gets the upperhand on the first round, could deliberately avoid killing the last 4K guy, stack up, camp enemy bodies and then go on a raping streak.

This can go in any team's favour depending on the first spawns etc...

ok.. lets reset in duel too after the enemy killed me...

there is no point dude!

its nice how it is. u have all guns and the "losing team" has PG and SG and MG. so its fine!

spawn and runnig for kills is not the way to go! spawn and gain control of an area is way better and if ur team is losing u have to slow down the game like in duel.

zzzzzzzz.

- health/weapons should be reset after each round - YES
- when you thaw you shouldnt respawn, you should just be able to play again from where you were killed - NO, where you were thawed
- progress bar for thawing - NO, what for?
- the enemy shouldnt be able to push around frozen players - NO, this is one of the most useful features in FT
- team spec while frozen - YES

- health/weapons should be reset after each round - YES
- when you thaw you shouldnt respawn, you should just be able to play again from where you were killed - NO, where you were thawed
- progress bar for thawing - NO, what for?
- the enemy shouldnt be able to push around frozen players - NO, this is one of the most useful features in FT
- team spec while frozen - YES

almost agreed

edited my main post cause it was quite short and just displayed my initial thoughts and not what i think now...

Now your post looks good :)

now the image finally works, too :D

Oh, cool idea. I like the general thought of the unfrozen triangle. But a "normal" progress bar would be much quicker to grasp. Nonetheless I'm fine with both of the ideas.

I don't know why it happens, but of ~20 freezetag matches I played so far, 18 or 19 were almost total rapes like 10:0 or 10:1 by either team. And I don't think it's skillmatching issue because I've seen a couple of times when blue rapes red and on next map and same teams, red rapes blue.

i love QL FT but there has to be one change.

u have to be "out" after a suicide.

for an example: if u play on overkill outside in the quadarea i can do dmg to the enemy and if i gonna die i jump into the lava and avoid a freeze.

its a nice tactic but i think it need a change.

[-] to any of your ideas, ever.

lol. u think its nice that i can make me "unfreezeable" in this situations?

i love FT, very fun pub game indeed.

The NA version and the Euro version of Freeze are very different. I might be biased but I find the NA version a lot more fun. In the NA version everyone spawns with all the weapons available on that map (however most server admins limited the amount of ammo you spawned with) so you would still need to pick weapons up. Another big difference is the winning team doesn't reset on a round score which keeps the games more competitive. I agree with being able to spec while frozen and there needs to be some sort of thawing progression bar. Also a set time that one can be frozen before being auto thawed would be nice like maybe 2mins?

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