You take adderall, ritalin, or any sort of amphetamine and your skill increases 10 fold.

More like your chances of getting a heart attack increase 10 fold.

Retards.

Quoting The Tractate I wrote for xXx/aNk in 08 9seems like a long time)

Beer / Intoxication and Quake (please not im not retarded enough to do drugs for the sake of writing this manual, there were simply a few times a came back from a party on this or on that, and didn’t (or couldn’t Oo) go to sleep or when I just had a spliff here or there on a random weekend and played)

A single beer is good for performance, but large amounts aren’t. I carried this philosophy from real life, where I don’t get fucked once a week or binge drink, but have small amounts of alcohol throughout the week unless I have driving lessons or reasons to not drink, or if I just don’t feel like it. Ironically you develop an immunity to beer, but still it removes the need to get seriously drunk throughout the weekend and both not do your liver any favours and feel like shit on Monday morning).

Im not a typical weed-smoker so I tend to get lean more than someone who smokes it more often, so it affects me more, but for me it felt like its harder to concentrate on shit. But then again I didn’t exactly think “OMGLOL YOU CANT SHOOT THINGS PERFECTLY WEED SUXLOL” and just enjoyed being wasted once in a while I shot things in q3 during that time Very Happy

Anything else (naughty powders/pills) are not made for sitting at home and doing them so I cant really say how they affect your q3 game because they are for a social atmosphere, and if you find yourself in a position where you are alone and doing them, you should re-think your life and improving quake gameplay is ze least of ur problems. *

* Hi Walter c:

nobody takes drugs on lan quake events, get the shit out of your head. pro gamers would be way better if they took drugs.
im sure id hit over 8% rail on t7 with drugs. any sort.

really funny calipt. really funny. good to see you keep failing btw

Which is why you will never win :)

Name players, i'm interested to hear.. :D

method from team3d used speed at lans.

yes, that is one person i was talking about. Method from 3D.

Team 3D

Dedication. Desire. Drugs.

"You take adderall, ritalin, or any sort of amphetamine"

there is almost no amphetamine in ritalin and the effect is based on methylphenidate which increases the levels of dopamine and norepinephrine in the brain, so if you have diagnosed adhd/add it will just rise your dopamine and norepinephrine leves back to normal level. on the other hand if you dont have diagnosed adhd/add then it should be phorbited, and with that out of the way you are also saying that coffee and all energy drinks should be phorbited cause its also classed as a stimulant

but also I agree with you about speed, I've heard too that even some cod4 players have been taking those on lan

I thought drugs like speed could make you all shaky, though it would increase reaction time. Doesn't sound that useful to me?

Well there are many different factors that go into playing.

Expereince x %
Reaction time x %
game knowledge x%
ETC ETC They all add up to overall figure.

Some aspects count more than others, so while you might lose someting in one area, you might gain in another.
Nerves is a big problem, if you suffer from nerves, everything else is useless, you can't aim, time, think proeprly. Its a biggie.

If you can lower your nerves via a supressent, or whatever I can well believe you could perform better overall.

To me anything beyond a beer or two is just wrong.

Expereince beats all IMO.

they don't

If your heart rate gets too high, your reaction times actually increase.

Citation: http://biology.clemson.edu/bpc/bp/Lab/110/reaction.htm#Arousal

no one said there's 'amphetamines in ritalin', the effect on performance is roughly the same though (minus the lack of euphoria with ritalin/methylphenidate) as they are both working by increasing levels of dopamine and norepinephrine in the brain.

the drugs don't work

yup

I really doubt drugs would help much on aiming, and also id expect it would reduce your brains efficiency a lot more than it helps your aim.

If you're too nervous to aim then they will.

So you are recommending drugs for people attending a lan event for the first time.
Because your nerves will be easily dulled to an acceptable level with time and experience :p

actually yes, valium for example would be beneficial for alot of people going to their first lan tournament, no doubt.

everytime we duel you're on some fkn narcottic.. NOW I GEDDIT

get toxjq high so he can win IEM

in 2004 in q3 lan I took 0.2g aphetamine , i told half players, becose wanted to test it (cs'ers told it works with reaction, but quake isn't cs).
Lan was in night time. It worked , you won't gain +15% lg or something, but your point/click aim is realy better, you FEEL MOTIVATED and calm even you are losing hard. My timing wasn't strong in these years, but I remeber, it doesnt fucked my brains. I played let's say 10% better then I did usual. so it works.

Was it a competition LAN?

Haha troll'd, guard never attends LANs. He cheats.

On a more serious note it probably it was, but nobody really cares, they're not that serious.

ye

Cheater.

Drugs are bad, m'kay?

Drugs like aderall and ritalin are already banned in South Korea. I'm in favor of a drug test before a competition, though.

why are you in favor of such a thing

because I am opposed to all drug and alcohol use?

I personally dont care whether they do or dont start drug testing, im curious why you want them to. what would be accomplished? ritalin and adderrall are hardly comparable to psychedelics or other recreational drugs and it doesnt seem to be causing a disruption of any sort. i just dont think the effort to drug test would be worth it

I am in favor of banning "recreational" drugs in all forms, and at all times.

(why did I have to post this twice? what didn't get through the first time?)

Yea right on bro, lets ban computer games, pork products and sex before marriage while we're at it

Struck a nerve, eh? It's the drugs talking, so I'll forgive you.

or did he strike a nerve?

All the things he listed may have bad after-effects.

Another lost druggie. =/

It's not just that drugs are bad for you, but that the actions you take are not your own. Any action can be bad without moderation, but using drugs only hinders your ability to make decisions.

or so you have heard. How nice of you to start with an insult, though. Makes it very obvious to know how objectively you see the matter.


Should there also be a ban on staying up longer than 16 hours at a time, so you won't get too tired and also a ban on making decisions while being lovesick?
Both truly impair your judgement, you know?


But anyway, enjoy your crusade to take freedoms away from others.

Taking freedoms away? Freedom would imply that you were the one making the decision, so it's the drugs that take your freedom away. Can't you see that people like me just want to help you?

If life is so bad that you feel like you need an emotional escape, you're doing it wrong.

Taking freedoms away? Freedom would imply that you were the one making the decision, so it's the drugs that take your freedom away. Can't you see that people like me just want to help you?

rofl.

Nice argument string you worked out for yourself, there.
Copied from religions and creationists?



Well, would love to discuss this with you, but alas your are just another lost American, therefore your opinion cannot be trusted by default :((((((

I don't blame you, it's the drugs that won't let you be helped.

And I don't blame you, it's your American heritage that won't let you form a dependable opinion :(

See? They're forcing you to use ad hominem attacks. You've given up on reason, and just want to spitefully defend your addiction.

See? They're forcing you to use ad hominem attacks. You've given up on reason, and just want to spitefully defend your opinion.

... and even destroyed your memory. I couldn't have asked for a better example of someone so horribly addicted to, and ravaged by, the effects of drugs.

... and even destroyed your comprehension of what ad hominem attacks are too. I couldn't have asked for a better example of someone so horribly controlled by his urbringing.



Oh, would you look at that, we are going in circles. Could it be because you decided to start your reply with an ad hominen attack "Another lost druggie. =/" desperately trying to not allow anything of what I would say as valid, and simply kept doing that. Then I decided to throw it back at you, picking you nationality. (Guess I could have gone for your age, too "You're too young too know, kid").
And surprise, surprise, you don't like your own medicine one bit.

No please go and use your sophisticasted discussion techniques on someone who doesn't notice..

While you appear to not know what an "ad hominem" attack even is, it's hard to tell if it's due to simple ignorance, or due to being too drugged out. You've spent the last 4 replies doing nothing but, which isn't a surprise since you don't have any argument to defend yourself.

If you're confused, the problem isn't that you're too dumb to come up with a defense, but that there IS no defense for your actions. It might seem hard to understand, but just take a second and consider that your mind is clouded. Life isn't so bad when you get your head on straight, so consider putting the drugs down and having a rational discussion for the first time in a LONG time!

oh, is "another lost druggie" a compliment in your world?
Or maybe a fact? Despite not knowing if / what / how much I consume?

Oh wait, don't anyswer, I know you well enough. You really think your assumptions can be treated as facts.


Well, I guess I was right with my first guess: You borrow your discussion techniques from creationists.

Your continued use of ad hominem attack do not phase me, as you're not in full control of your senses or actions. Your content-less attacks are a cry for help, but you have to take the first step. Are you willing to admit that you have a problem?

funny you say that, given you are the one who used an ad hominem attack as the very first statement.

See, normally I would now explain why what you wrote is one, with quotes and definitions.
But remembering you wouldn't even accept the spelling of a word that you deemed to be wrong after I linked you to a dictionary, it would be a pointless gesture without any effect.


Go on, have your last reply, that you crave so much :)

It's good that you'll stop posting, but for your own sake, stop doing drugs.

Boring

how is calling someone a lost druggie anything else but "ad hominem"?

Was that all that made up my post?

no, its just an excerpt. actually right in the beginning if you want to read through it again.

edit: aah now you've gone ahead an distracted me from my question, clever you.

again: how is calling someone a lost druggie anything other then "ad hominem"?

It wasn't my argument.

ok let me spell it out:

you brought the term "ad hominem"-attack into your conversation, by accusing becks of resorting to said attacks.

then you went ahead and accused becks of not knowing what an ad hominem attack is, when the truth is, you are the only one blindly throwing insults arround.

reading your conversating lead me to asking the above question, for which you still owe me an answer

you are the only one blindly throwing insults arround.

to be fair, I did start copying his insults later on :)

No - you don't quite seem to understand what an ad hominem attack is yourself. In response to an actual argument, it's used as a dodge. There is no other content. Do try to learn how it works before discussing it.

i assume you've never had any latin in school, because thats not what ad hominem means.

Application is what is important. Much like "atheism".

aahhhh.. whatever

well you are dealing with a guy who thinks spelling is also a matter of "application" (i.e. whatever vedic says), instead of looking it up in a dictionary.

And even if you go by what he said, he did reply to a post where I wrote "All the things he listed may have bad after-effects." but I suppose that does not count as an argument, as it does not agree with his view of the world :D

cba going any further since he never seems to respond to my posts.

but why am i even wondering

excatly

it's always just about putting him in a corner, pointing out where he went wrong and then stopping the conversation as there won't ever be result comparable to that of a real discussion. :)

holy fucking shit what have i started.

Note to self: don't reply to Vedic in the future c:

:)

did you star as big brother in 1984 ?

No, but I did star as your father that year.

no wonder my mom never told me who he was :(

Because you didn't give a reason?

Hardly comparable to psychadelics? Obviously tripping balls or smoking some DMT isnt going to enhance your ability to play - speed does. I dont care if they do or don't. Its not going to effect me. I was just wondering what some people (the 10 people that dominate duel scene) had to say about it.

at the end of the day substance abuse is more likely to have a detrimental effect to your cognitive function than a positive one. drug testing would be an expensive, complicated and ludicrous solution to a non-existing problem.

yeah just like with steroids

steroids can have a positive effect on your physical strength and its usage is an existing problem in a variety of sports. if you abuse them in sports you might also be pushing your opponent more than he would have to, thus raising his health risks

oh, so kinda like drugs in esports

no, nothing like that.

Once again - severely misinformed. You're reading waaaaaaaay too much into the media and you obviously have no experience with it whatsoever. Not one person I know taking it and gaming has had any sort of 'decrease' in cognitive functions. Not reaction time, not accuracy, nor decision making.

This only happens when A) you stay up for over 24 hours or B) you get retarded and take too much. THAT IS IT. I'm not really talking about smoking crystal meth; I'm talking about taking normal prescription amps in a controlled manner. Obviously if you take too much youre going to get jittery, make rash decisions, etc.....

rofl

And yes...amps in games = steroids in physical sports. If you can explain why its not - lets hear it.

i already noted four rather obvious distinctions in #17 and #19, but i'll go on. there is ample scientific evidence documenting the advantages of steroids in sports, while there is no research on the effect of stimulants in FPS games such as quake (or any other game for that matter) and their correlation to advantageous cognitive performance. until this has been established it would be premature to start dope-testing in tournaments, which, if you'd read my posts in this thread is my main point.

i personally think that with quake in particular using amphetamines is more likely to have a detrimental effect, but I don't really care as it doesn't matter and it isn't an issue. in this regard 'unfair advantage' is a subjective term and opens up a debate that reaches far beyond adderall.

perhaps the reason you perform better using prescription drugs is that you have, according to your own admission, been abusing them for over a decade and therefore grown dependant on them.

Well NO KIDDING there is no scientific evidence of it. That is why I'm bringing it up oh wise one. I'm using my, and many others, past experience to prove a point. Whether you want to believe it or not, whatever. If you read above, even Guard (a fairly good dueler), just said it increased his performance.

As for the performance increase and someone insinuating it's a "placebo effect" - no, it's not a placebo. It really does increase your your ability to aim more accurate, think faster, make the correct decision more often...simply because your brain is processing everything at a much higher rate.

uhm, that is not the way to test if something is a placebo effect ...

It's not a placebo. A placebo wouldn't contain amphetamine salts.

...


are you sure you know what a "placebo effect" is?

Cause saying "it's not a placebo, because I notice an effect" does not make that much sense ...

Are you retarded..or just stupid? i can't tell. OBVIOUSLY a drug that goes to the FDA, contains amphetamine salts, and is prescribed to people with ADHD isnt a placebo. A sugar pill would be a placebo. man some of you people...roffle

oh, wow. You really don't know what you are talking about, do you?


A placebo effect means that you have an improvement, just because you are giving something, no matter if it's the real deal or vitamin pill.

Did the FDA test amphetamines for improvement in gaming ability? I don't think so.
So, this is just your theory. (that you conveniently test on yourself. and evaluate by "it felt so much better").

So, if a placebo effect is at work, there will be always an improvement no matter what you take.
It is logically impossible to test for a placebo effect by taking the actual drug. You have to test it by giving a "dummy" pill to a test group while telling them it contains amphetamines. If they still feel an improvement, you have a placebo effect.

Do you understand now or will it take pictures?

Did the FDA test if eating sugar out of the mouth of an alligator is dangerous?

Yeah...retarded right?

Just because there hasnt been some scientific study on something doesn't mean it's not true. Wow. I'm not sending some master thesis into oxford for publishing here. I'm just stating a fact to people who are clueless on this subject...like yourself.

"It is logically impossible to test for a placebo effect by taking the actual drug. You have to test it by giving a "dummy" pill to a test group while telling them it contains amphetamines. If they still feel an improvement, you have a placebo effect."


IT DOESNT WORK. It is the actual drug that is INCREASING your reaction time, ability to think faster, etc. Why are you still talking about a placebo? ITS NOT SOME PLACEBO EFFECT. lol wow.

I'm just stating a fact to people who are clueless on this subject...like yourself.

well yes, but you could have told us that you don't have the slightest clue what placebo effect means right away, instead of all that stuff.

you're as bright as a QkumbR

Well if all the top players would be willing to take a drug test (excluding prescriptions obviously...which are extremely easy to get) then it wouldn't be an issue right? Which is the original point i was trying to make. I guarantee if an event drug tested that half of those players would not show up - Not because they couldnt pass it (since its out of your system relatively fast), but the sheer fact they would not perform up to par.

rofl

"at the end of the day substance abuse is more likely to have a detrimental effect to your cognitive function than a positive one"

Based on what? Depends what you mean by abuse as well. Using a drug once a month is not the same as every day.

"there is ample scientific evidence documenting the advantages of steroids in sports, while there is no research on the effect of stimulants in FPS games such as quake (or any other game for that matter) and their correlation to advantageous cognitive performance."

It's hardly surprising no one has done a study specifically related to competitive FPS games, it's hardly as big an industry as competitive sports. Are you saying that you think improved cognitive performance would not benefit a FPS player? (ritalin wiki: increasing or maintaining alertness, combating fatigue, and improving attention)

Different example of performance enhancing drug use:
Drug trials suggest that modafinil, which can be bought on the internet, is highly effective at enhancing short-term memory and enabling users to stay up for extended periods.

But experts say overuse can produce adverse side-effects. Some are also beginning to question why a performance-enhancing drug that is banned for athletes in the Olympics should be allowed for students in exams.

I don't see how anything you have said really gives a reason why drug use in sports is different to drug use in esports.

I said any game and I didn't say or imply it was surprising. I specifically noted the lack of research in that field to be one of the many reasons dope-testing for video games is at this point an absurd idea, compared to steroids in sports where the research is there. (I won't explain this for the fourth time)

There may or may not be certain substances in certain amounts for certain people in certain circumstances that can help them function better at a certain aspect of a certain videogames. Just as ritalin might help someone with ADHD focus on their math homework, or coffee might help someone who's grown dependant on it for focusing during an exam. In my opinion, more likely as a whole and for the common man and especially at any elevated dosages it will have a negative effect in e.g. QL duels.

Personally I'd welcome opponents that have taken measurable amounts of strong amphetamine and in their delusion think they're performing better. If you keep on using wikipedia you'll find that the notion of substance abuse and its negative effects on your cognitive functions isn't exactly my radical idea but quite common and established.

OK your opinion about testing being in-appropriate I can fully understand, but not sure about the rest.

You are guessing that there are going to be negative side-effects and implying that people are going to use these drugs in large doses and perhaps regularly. I suppose it's fair enough, since you state this is just your opinion, but I don't really see what it's based on.

Wrong again. You have no experience, obviously. I'll say it again...I've done it with well over 50 people and they all had the same results. RAPING FACES

50 people? well, if you would have said 55 i would have believed you. because that's how arguments works, honestly.

LoL. don't believe me. Why would I make any of this (how amps increase your game skill) up? You're the one being soooo hard headed instead of just accepting the fact that ITS AN ISSUE. Hell maybe you're one of the people taking advantage.

If not - go ahead and believe what they taught you in sunday school. Everyone loves god. No one cheats. No one does drugz. Everyone plays by the rules. Right?

You must be high :f

I've been phetted off my tits and played quake quite a few times and your right you play way way way better. aim + thinking up 10-30%.

I always found it better on the downward side

on other hard drugs quake is pure crap, you get bored way to easily

phetted of my tits

lool, good one. I know what you mean dawg!..

In Shooting Precision Sports alcohol is a helpful drug.
In Quake you need also precise aim, maybe the quake community should look out for beer companys as sponsors or make threads which beer is best for quake ;-)

Whether or not drugs can make you play better probably isn't the point here.

If video games want to graduate to 'esports', they need to have sponsors. Sponsors aren't going to want to be associated with drugs, especially where minors are involved. Moreover, just as with other forms of cheating, once people get it into their heads that someone else is using something to improve their performance, they'll start imagining that everyone is doing it. Every time someone gets a high accuracy, they'll claim they are using ritalin or whatever. Some kids will start using it just because they think they have to in order to remain competitive, even if the improvement in performance is pure placebo.

So if this really is a trend in competitive video gaming, I think it's really important that tournament organised clamp down on it before something bad happens.

Yeah like the sponsors cared about the drug thing in the us baseball scene :D. In the end any serious sport is abused by people using doping as long as there is enough money to win. Sad world we live in :( So if there would be something like doping for gaming I think there would be enough players who would consider using it. But well just take a look at some sc2 pros and you'll see that they might play 12 hours a day but the overall health is so fucked up (hi@zombie idra :D) that they should start to live healthy instead of running around like zombies and take in amphetamines :x

esports isn't associated with drugs at all. it might be if they raise the issue and create a problem where there wasn't one to begin with, though. strict rules involving heavy privacy invasions should never be invented based on entirely speculative (and as with your example quite unlikely to say the least) future problems. more likely, as we see e.g. with the not-so-succesful anti-marijuana policies around the world, regulations do not discourage but rather encourage teenagers.

Maybe it doesn't have that reputation now, but it only takes one journalist from some trash newspaper like the Daily Mail to do some expose on how a CS team is all high on speed to spark controversy. They love stories about how computer games are corrupting the young and they'd make hay if they get to add drugs in too. Now either the tournament organisers can get ahead of the game and clamp down before something happens, or they can wait and hope that it never happens.

i'm sure they'd see it more as the drug problem they already know exists than anything else. they don't blame the schools when kids do drugs in attempt to enhance their perfomance in final exams. 'getting ahead of the game' is fine when you're dealing with insignificant details, but when it's at the cost of the holiest of your privacy it's an ugly act of abusing the bounderies of their authority. they should wait and address it when and if it becomes a problem.

Fair enough this isn't a drug per se but isn't there a quakcon picture or some big lan where they quake logo is laid out in empty energy drink bottles.

It's similar effects to phet based drugs apart from shakes from too much caffine.

serious business

amphetamine = 50% lg

Yes, they do help - A LOT. I have done it maaaaany times. I know maaaaaany people that still do it. You're just being an ignorant fool to think otherwise.

As for what cs 1.6 teams i am talking about......lets just say that one of them is also has a top US CTF team in QL. Oddly enough the players that were in this organization play for a different team that is also one of the best US CTF teams in QL. Obviously they arent the same players i talked to, because it was counter-strike. You'd be retarded if you didnt think a lot of the top people used it in Quake also.

E-sports isnt associated with drugs? Gaming is generally associated with pot. I dont know what sheltered life you've been living.

" By Lithuania GUArd ++|
in 2004 in q3 lan I took 0.2g aphetamine , i told half players, becose wanted to test it (cs'ers told it works with reaction, but quake isn't cs).
Lan was in night time. It worked , you won't gain +15% lg or something, but your point/click aim is realy better, you FEEL MOTIVATED and calm even you are losing hard. My timing wasn't strong in these years, but I remeber, it doesnt fucked my brains. I played let's say 10% better then I did usual. so it works. "

That's what i wanted to see. As for the '10 percent' maybe..since you're already good, but for the majority it's a much higher increase. It depends on what you take and how much you take also - obviously.

You realize that out of the top 10 Duelers i guarantee a lot of them rely on some sort of amp to beat each other. They're all so close in skill. The sheer reaction time a few of them have is rediculous. Look at strenx's LG. Look at his body type (a 12 year old girl). Look at most of them. They're small and skinny. Do you see any of those players being fat? Don't tell me they all workout rofl.

Note to self: skinny = drug addict.

Not necessarily, but obviously that's one side effect of speed oh wise one. Along with .000000001 reaction time. Along with being able to stare at a computer screen for 12 hours a day everyday.

I can sit in front of the monitor for 12h just because I work out. Yeah, but I get it. I know the side effects of drugs but sometimes people are not skinny because they take speed - they are just skinny. :)

They are skinny because they haven't fucking grown up yet and accepted that PRO GAMING will never yield a viable income.

That bottom is fucking bullshit - you can see from the stream they aren't fucked. - ie. eyeballs normal size, not chewing their face off...

not sure of what the side effects of adhd drugs though so i wouldn't count it out but I count it in either.

some adderall isnt going to make you grind your jaw or blow your pupils out unless you take a lot...but at that point thats when id say your skill may decrease some.

For the people that havent taken any..stop posting. You have no idea. You're just following the media - whom tends to sprend immense amounts of bullshit about drugs. I've taken adderall and played with 50-75+ people at various LANs. Every single one of them had the same result - INCREASED PERFORMANCE...by a lot. Many of them were already very good, but taking that just made them insane.

Increased rate of heart attack? Ok...i've done it for 10+ years - i am fine. It's not hard to control intake of adderall...we're not talking crystal meth here.

i've done it for 10+ years - i am fine

By Exelent HamstaHue +: - Reply to #17
yeah just like with steroids

buddy, i dont think anyone is denying that certain drugs increase performance because they're 'following the media'.... you think people could browse these fucking forums sober?

i usually take 3 hits of acid at roughly 1 hour before any major tournament match

I've discussed this with a few people (top players in CS in 1.6 a few years back).

Stopped reading here =(

If you take drugs to succeed at a video game you fail at life.

If you you are writing here, you are screwed as well.















Oh wai...

what a bullshit thread

seriously guys leave drugs for partying and other fun/pleasure related stuff

they wont help u perform any better for sure

Yeah unfortunately some people KNOW they make you perform better, and that's why im addressing it. When there is that much money on the line someone is going to want that advantage over the other. Even if it was a slight increase in reaction time - that is enough for TOP PLAYERS.

For the guy who said something about energy drinks and coffee...umm no. That's not even close to amphetamines stimulant wise.

BULLSHIT

please keep in mind u re simplifying things way too much

trust me that cypher on meth would not win qcon

u re discissing something u know absolutely SHIT about

Something i know SHIT about? I'm not saying this because i'm proud or trying to brag...but I guarantee i know a helluva lot more about these drugs than you ever will. I wouldn't even wish it upon you - even though you are an asshole.

by creating sucha dumb thread u prooved u dont so pls spare me your childish comments

Yeah it's such a dumb thread that there's a million replies with people actually somewhat debating the subject instead of saying 'WALTER' or ' NOOB'. PRETTY CRAZY!

Once you climb out of the womb you'll see the real world for what it is - liars, cheaters, druggies, and whores. it's a pretty fun place actually.

i met them all

don't forget narcissists,

cause you seem to look in the mirror the whole time.

You got it the other way around, sa you've said earlier you used drugs for over 10 years.

Maybe you dindt stop to think that the drugs aint improving your performance, they are stimulating your addiction. You do worse without because you need them to feel comfy :p

Cool..i'd accept that, if it werent for the fact ive done it with many other people.

No..i can do fine without it. I'm just saying if i take some i'll do that much better....and so has everyone else that i've seen do it. Facts are facts. My scientific experiment is complete. DRUGZ WIN!

I know that slasher said in FRAG that he know some top players in quake that used them..i would of thought that was in the past tho, but obviously not, maybe k1llsen or cypher takes them based on some insane reactions both have?

Why would it just be limited to the 'past'? No one ever says anything about it, and i think it's a pretty serious matter when enough money is involved. You can't deny that 2 players of equal skill (Cypher and Cooller for example) that more than likely the person gaining that ever so slight (even though its much more than slight) advantage in reaction time from drugs is going to win.

The same reason drugs aren't allowed in any legitimate sporting event - so everyone has a fair playing field.

money was higher in the past and i think it was more common, like guard said he had it in 04 and i think people used them at cpl events so..

that's the interesting question: anyone knows a quake pro that used or still uses some kind of drug? obv. without calling names

(even redbull, which I can recall seeing some cypher pictures taking it.)

Forever took ritalin back in Q4.

that totally won him the bottle smashing contest.

oh, so that's why cooller likes to go for "smoke" breaks

that wily bastard

Their loss. Long term effects of Amphetamines are pretty brutal.

Not exactly true when used in considerably low doses such as those perscribed medically (adderall/dexedrine/vyvanse/etc) to treat ADHD/Narcolepsy, which are enough to give players that mental edge.

respectfully, i disagree.

Based on what?
Amphetamines and even methylphenidate have been used medically for atleast half a century.
Their long term side effects have been studied in numerous studies. They have an FDA approval. Ofcourse they aren't the optimal medication in terms of side effects and certainly aren't good for everybody, but how could you argue that their long terms side effects are brutal when not used recreationally?

With 'optimal' dosage maybe the side effects are negligible. Addiction makes this VERY hard tho, I don't care what any tests say.

Respectfully, I agree.

ESR first! : )

Kid, you have no idea what you're talking about. Obviously you've never done it, so stop pulling shit outta your ass

k, u should go buy a bunch and prove me wrong.

well shit. here i thought drinking a bottle of rum or vodka was the best way to go pro. maybe 20 beers too.

long live ze rednecks!

I approve.

When I tested it I felt like I'm the best player in the world.
The beverages contain alcohol, so it certainly is not a placebo effect!!!!!



O.o

lolz!

without amphetamine strenx's lg is nothink on the lan!!

Unless its very obvious as in bad for the spectacle, no need to act like a drug nazi. If he knows what components he has to pair with his nervous system to produce a possitive result, and gives double amount of air rox to the sprayin' community, then i couldnt care less. He will have his own problems later, no need to interfere and judge what he is giving us *now*.

Common sense wins as always, hard rules are for sheeps.

If you're to the point of taking drugs to win games, you're corrupting yourself..

corrupting yourself? are you a local ?

corrupting yourself? people cheat to win money all the time..read : sports

Yeah. Can't approve of that.

All I can say is...compare top players from 5-7 years ago to now. Reaction time, accuracy and thegrowin rate of talent is increasing like a rabbit farm. I'm not saying drugs have anything to do with it..but isn't it a little odd how insanely crazy/cracky players are becoming? I'm all for drug testing tbh, I'm pretty sure performance enhancing drug use isn't uncommon in the pro gaming scene.

It's been very common in the counter-strike scene. No reason to believe it's not the same in quake.

playing quake high and/or drunk is half of the fun. i would have to say that depending on the drug the gain is very little to a degradation. adderal makes my timing perhaps a little better, turning up the ocd drive or something. definitely not 10 times better at anything.. i aim better a sober quaker also

makes me laugh most of the people here posting are neither high skilled and never tried any kind of drug and yet they comment as they are the most experienced and knowledgeable people on this topic (hi 7herm and hnns).

but ffs if you never tried any kind of drug while playing you should at least give the benefit of the doubt on the reasoning that it might give you an advantage, and not talk out of your ass like you know for sure that it doesn't. even if you tried one drug that did not give you advantage, theres a lot of other drugs that possible might give you.. so please don't be ignorant fulls (raged) hey I'm not saying that anyone should use it, but if people can freely use it in high class tournaments, they are cheating just like sombra did.

i don't know if any pro player uses it, I actually believe they don't . but we can't be sure unless they are tested right? its not an association to drugs, it's more like one step closer to making this thing called gaming more professional.


ps: i remember now that cooller once said on an interview that unkind ( respect!) was on drugs, hey i'm not saying he was good because of it, just an odd curiosity : D

Yeah that's my point.....they've never done it; because if they did they'd be saying the exact opposite. You can't try to tell me "it doesnt give you an advantage" because I dont know one person who's done it that didnt get a hell of a lot better...if the person is shitty in the first place or very good. They all get better. Seen it a million times foolios

on the other hand, you are never without it :D

haha, do I know you? you don't know me, but it doesn't matter. you've missed my point for the most part, which had less to do with any hypothetical gains from "drug use" in quake but rather the potential validity of dope-testing in esports tournaments. the idea that those two are not intrinsically related is probably lost on you.

yeah i dont know you i was just doing some jamerio projection sorry

so you are saying that theres no relation between the possibility that there are some drugs that give you advantage and that there's nothing stoping people from using it in tournaments and dope testing in tournaments? i wonder what would justify dope testing then or what can be related to it

You realize using large words still doesn't make anything you say correct, right?

depends on how they are arranged. but out of curiosity what words in particular did you not understand? as has been pointed out, you're incapable of a logistical debate. all your argument consists of "I know it", "I guarantee it" "i'm right you're wrong" repeated over and over.

i can see the benefit of creating an alias solely for this thread since it enables you to argue like a child without your real handle being tarnished, but i wonder what the purpose is? you're not willing to accept any other point of view, and given that your arguments lack even the remotest substance you're hardly going to convince anyone. so why exactly did you make this thread?

You, on the other hand, negate any advantages these drugs might give in FPS.

no, see #121

HamstaHue's reply :c

but ffs if you never tried any kind of drug while playing you should at least give the benefit of the doubt on the reasoning that it might give you an advantage, and not talk out of your ass like you know for sure that it doesn't

hnns:I personally think that with quake in particular using amphetamines is more likely to have a detrimental effect,

Please explain to me how you see the relation of those two statements.

I am especially interested how using the phrases "I personally think" and "is more likely" mean that he is sure that there is no advantage at all.

thank you.




Incidentally, evaluating yourself if your cognitive function stays the same or changes while being drugged, does not seem to make much sense. After all, you need your cognitive function to evaluate it.

until gaming is as much a career as baseball is, this topic is pointless.

Have you heard of a country called South Korea?

Okay, I've played on Adderall. Recently. Shit's nuts. It's bio-hacks. I'm not trolling, and I'm not suggesting it by any means, but really. It's not like caffeine, where you get all jittery, or unfocused because your brains going 90 miles an hour in a way you can't really truly control.
It's going 90 miles an hour in whatever direction you want it to, and actually, I'd say my aim/prediction both increased a great deal. These were 1/4 at a time of 30mg pills.

Thankyou for proving my point once more. +1 for me. -10 for the 2 retards.

The threshold of "too much" between perfect focus effect and jitters which would have a negative impact on aim is where most of the people are arguing from. If you're taking a half or whole 30mg adderall at a time, then yes, you'll have a negative impact on aim, however, if you're taking a low enough dose that the od symptoms are entirely absent, then there's not even a lesser jitter than too much, there's simply none at all, and I'd say that my accuracies are better across the board.
The 2 retards either are equating the effect of adderall with other methamphetamines or assuming that there is more taken than needed.
If you are below the od symptom threshold, then your aim is actually improved by this drug in particular. They seem to be missing that for some reason. I think they assume that less and more of the drug will have identically less and more of the effects, and that's simply not the way it works, but it's an understandable mistake for someone that hasn't had enough experience with them. Such as people that have never experienced the effect in a low dosage, apparently.

Yes, less and more does have an effect on HOW MUCH better, or how much faster your decision is going to be made. You're telling me 15mg is going to make you jittery and have a negative impact on your aim? Get outta here with that. You obviously haven't done it - so stop posting random garble that you THINK is correct.

If you don't have a developed tolerance for it, then yes, the jitters effect of it will have a negative impact on your aim.

The OD symptoms??????? Do you have any idea how much adderall you need to take to OD? I don't, but i KNOW its a heckuva lot more than 30mg. There are 15 year olds being prescribed 90mg A DAY. Obviously the threshold is nowhere near that or the big man with the PHD wouldn't be prescribing that now would he?

not OD as in fatal OD, as in the jitters that come from having more than needed for the desired effect. My gf is one of those ppl that's prescribed it, and she gets a 60 count 30mg script every month.

Here's me holding one of them, jackass.

nice syndactylia you have there

These monitor tanners don't know anything about this. Maybe they will learn when they enter the real world.

Lol were you talking to me? I was saying there ARE people prescribed that much...

What kind of fucking retard would waste drugs on video games is my question?

I guess me dude =p.

Amphetaimes/Ritalin and quake have always gone hand and hand for me. I've been perscribed such medications for ADHD and I dont find much recreational value in them. Amphetamines + quake always make for a good time though. I don't really use em' to play better though, It just makes the experience more fun for me.

Well, those shitty drugs aside. Have you tried pot? That makes gaming enjoyable for me, much more so.

There are so many better applications for it though :P

Who the fuck would want to play quake stoned? Give some TV and beer.

lol.

lol

lol

I only play stoned. Good fun

:)

Viagra => this would make a player rape the shit out of everyone at the LAN.

hahahahah, have a plus

I need 2 beers to be motivated :P No need to take drugs =P

*delete* : D

I find that playing on amphetamines/ritalin/etc alone has some downsides aswell. While it makes you more concentreated and improves your cognitive functioning and timeing/disecion making skills I think it actually fucks your aim up more then it helps it due to jitteryness and the like. IMO good aim in quake requirs you to be calm and steady, something which is harder too accomplish on amphetamines. Thats why often alot of players find that their aim improves after 1 or 2 beers, which is enough to help you relax a bit but still isnt enough to impare your cognitive functioning too bad. I think even Spartie once referred to alcohol as "aiming oil" or something like that.
Also, stims dont relax you and would imo opnion hurt your preformance in "important" tournaments, esspecially if you are prone to stress or anxiety. Infact, I think most players would benefit more from taking alpha/beta blockers at lan tournaments and the like, where I imagine staying calm can become a problem. Benzos such valium or xanax hurt your cognitive functioning too much imo and even on low doses such as 10 mgs of valium or .5 mgs of Rivotril/xanax I find that I play much worse then sober. Maybe an ultra low dose could though.

Best I have ever played though was on amphetamines+alpha blockers, that combo is fucking awesome.

See here's where it might be different. You said you've been diagnosed with ADHD...adderall and ritalin tend to have the opposite effect if youre actually using it to treat that.

I heard, that one can buy some sort of "weak" amphetamine in Israel all over the place like in kiosks - and that it would also be used to party...if it's right - I would appreciate that!

Probably that would still be stronger, than the one bought on the street and without bad ingredients like the poles are used to add to the drugs they are selling.

Ya, you can buy at pretty much any corner store some cathinone or one of its analouges (MCAT/ethcathinone/etc) pills. The pills over here are called "hagigat", the origins of the name is khat, the plant that old yeminai people like to chew to for its psychoactive stimulant effects which contains cathinone.

It sucks as far as good stimulants go (4-CAT/meth/coke) but im sure it still must be better then polish speed =p.

How do you know btw man?

probably all the stories about tel avivs nightlife that are circulating in certain communities .)

i heard them too... but they weren't positive: somewhat weak and horrible high a friend told me once.

why not just use steroids and or HGH. surely it would give the greatest benefit.

Also, what about those who are perscribed such medications for ADHD/narcolepsy/wieght lose/etc. Should they not be allowed to partcipate?

If profesional poker players are allowed to, I didnt see why gamers shouldnt.

No; as with every drug test you will take in your life - if you are prescribed the medication it is fine. Not saying it's still fine if you don't actually have add/adhd, but at that point there's not much you can do to the person if they have a legit script.

Critical and relevant input, opinion on drugs in general, condescending comments on a certain socio-political group.

this is the dumbest thread on esr right now, and thats quite a title

Drugs are probably not going to help ones overall game, although they might but I couldnt say of course since I really have no idea. But at Lans they very well might help with consistancy. Playing maybe 5-15 games in a row at a competetive level for the player can be very exhausting mentaly and physicaly. Which is where I think some of these performance enhancers might come in handy.

Even in certain situations where players dont get to warm up and havent touched a computer for maybe 2-5 hours ( Or maybe worse they just woke up and are still jet lagged or something ) and then have to play someone for tourney progression, they probably can be used in a favorable manner. Some of the drugs help the user stay alert and constantly "on edge" or something.. Even the ganja can have an unfair effect, as it can help keep concentration.

as your lawyer i advice you to take a hit from the brown flask in my shaving kit for 80% lg

hello op:

Why do you ask for thoughts, when you will attack anyone who disagrees with you? "kid" "foolios" "oh wise one" "retarded"


Did you just want people to agree with you or something?

No, i'm saying that to the people who are flat out wrong.

Amphetamins are placebo - wrong.
OD symptoms from 30 mg adderall - wrong.
Saying no one does it - ignorant.
Trying to say it would have a negative effect, and then in the next post saying they've never tried it. - Genius.

Amphetamins are placebo - wrong.

sheesh, you have still not understood it.
A placebo effect has to be ruled out with an inert medication.


another example:

I think we both agree that putting a bilbe next to your mousepad will not improve your aim.

However, if someone believes in the holy effect of the bible, he may afterwards say he is aiming better. It may even be that his aim becomes better in reality, because of raised self-confidence, etc.
Now he will claim the holy text in the bible has that effect, while we do not believe that is the reason, we think it is a placebo effect. There is no way to say it for sure.

Now you put a book with empty pages but "bible" on the cover next to him, without telling him. If the increase in aim is still the same as before, it was a placebo effect, if it drops back to normal level the holy text might just have had an effect.


Now, you can replace the bible in the example with whatever you want: Beer, caffeine, weed, a mouse signed by fat up your ass, and also amphetamines.

You can only ever rule out a placebo effect if you find a replacement that does not have the characteristic that oyu think leads to the positive effect.

Another good example of that would be swim suits like that, or shaving your legs/arms/chest as a swimmer were pretty much believed to be placebo and that you'd be faster because it feels faster when you're not used to it (that's why swimmers would only shave 2-3 times a year).

At least that's what it's been like around 2004 but speedo/arena were releasing new generations of their suits for every olympic games and it may have had a bigger impact after Athens.

Anyway the suits are banned since 2010 and it will be interesting to see how many world records will be broken in London.

Ok wow. I know what a placebo is. What you don't understand is that a placebo contains INERT crap, that isn't going to ACTUALLY do anything. OBVIOUSLY amphetamines DO do something, and it shows results EVERY TIME. Sorry but placebos don't do that.

You still don't understand the concept of placebo. :)

i can't believe your degree of stupidity. it's unbelievable.

Sorry but placebos don't do that.

oh my fucking god.

do I need a hammer to get this into your brain?
They CAN work, as they CAN trigger a placebo effect! That is EXACTLY WHY they are called PLACEBOS.
They can show an effect DESPITE not containing any effective ingredient.

If they wouldn't ever work, there would no such term as placebo effect.

On things for sure, using drugs certainly had the placebo effect of you thinking you know what you are talking about...

yep it's a good example, but I actually do believe the swisuits had a real effect. They help the swimmers to float just a little bit more.
Did you ever swim with a wetsuit?

I'm not sure they work in the same way. Wetsuits (iirc from wearing one) are a bit more loose.

Aren't these miracle-swimsuits tight and all?

what I meant is that a wetsuit helps you float. but yeah a real ones, especially full lenght and sleeve, will hinder your movement, least mine do.

but those modern swimsuit als contain neoprene just that they are way more flexible (or so I hear), basically you always have tradeoffs: thickness, fragility, flexibility and so on.

I was merely wondering whether these swimsuits also help you stay afloat in the same manner wetsuits do.

considering it's the same basic material, I would say it should work in the manner, yes. But probably not as much, due to being thinner.

But I haven't ever tried one myself nor talked to anyone who has, so obviously I can't say for sure.

wasn't the whole deal with these suits to decrease resistance when moving trough water, never heard anything about bouyancy.

there may be a "friction" effect, but buoyancy let to the ban.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZR_Racer#FINA_rule_changes

It's a shame I'm a bit late for this since I love to talk about this but I was on a trip :)

Yes I've swam in both a swimsuit and a wetsuit and they are both completely different things made for different purposes.

Let me explain, I was a competitive swimmer for ten years from 94-04 breaking several youth state records and having won medals at German Championships between 2001-2003 (I quit early 2004 because of health issues) also I was a "Bundesliga" swimmer for 2 seasons at age 15 and 16. I was sponsored by both Arena and Speedo for quite some time (not trying to brag, just want to make clear that I know my stuff :) ).

In my active time I tried on multiple swimsuits in pretty much every variations they came in (with or without top part / knee length / ankle length / sleeves) such as the Speedo Aquablade (1996/Atlanta), the Speedo Fastskin1 (2000/Sydney) and the Arena Powerskin (2000/Sydney).

At this point I think that it's way too early to tell how much of an effect the suits really had but I think it was definitely way lower than the media tried to make it out to be. Yes, no world records have fallen yet but the big thing to consider is that swimmers train in a 4 year cycle in preparation for the Olympic Games (that's why world championship titles won in the year after Olympic Games are generally consider to be of less value amongst swimmers). Also some guys have already been damn close to world records at this years European Championships in Hungary. Personally I'm quite certain that a lot of world records will fall 2012 in London.

To get back to your question about the wetsuits, the fabric is quite different, most wetsuits for surfers and divers are made out of quite thick neoprene and fit loosely because they are supposed to let some water in and keep it in to warm the water on your body to keep you warm. Swimsuits on the other hand are quite different, you can spread it out and put a drop of water on it and play around like it is a marble in a maze. Also some of the suits are so thin that they have a second layer at the intimate parts because they got so transparent after like five races you swam in them that you would've been able to see everything.
The suits also don't help you to float better if that'd be even possible for swimmers, they pretty much have an optimal position in the water even without the suits + a floating characteristic would be counterproductive for a swimsuit since a swimmer is faster underwater (Micheal Phelps is a great example his underwater phase is pretty much the best in the world and he stays underwater for almost the whole 15m that are allowed after each lane, if a swimsuit would float he would have to fight the suit to stay underwater).

Unfortunately I haven't had a chance to test the newer generations like the Speedo LZR or the Adidas swimsuit which has been used by the German team (I heard from some of them that they were pretty great) but I don't think they were THAT much better than the older generations considering Paul Biedermann was able to swim some pretty good times with knee long shorts at the 2008 German Championships.

Also Aleksandr Popov was able to be at the top of freestyle sprinting for over ten years with briefs only (granted in his last 2 years or so he used an ankle long Powerskin, never used a full body suit though).

If you want to look out for world records to fall that could be blamed on the suits follow the 50m/100m butterfly and the 50m/100m/200m freestyle since suits usually have a bigger effect for sprinters and these are pretty much the only sprint disciplines full body suits were used for, because they are quite hindering for backstroke/breaststroke disciplines and quite uncomfortable for butterfly over a 200m distance.
Oh I forgot 50m breaststroke, most swimmers seem to like knee long suits with top part.

For example if anyone's interested these are the suits Micheal Phelps used for different disciplines:

-100m Fly: full body suit
-200m Fly: ankle long no top part
-200m Free : full body suit
-200m/400m Individual Medley : knee long shorts

Oh well, I get a bit passionate about this stuff forgive me if most of my rant is uninteresting.

//edit: I actually believe that the reason to ban the suits was to make the sport more attractive by showing more skin again. There are such rules in other sports too like beach volleyball, female player's pants may not be too big so their asses won't be covered up ;)

O.O at wall of text . But thanks for the effort :)

Anyway, as I said all I had to go on was experiences with wetsuits, the information that both types have some similar concepts with trapping air bubbles inside the suits and that buoyancy was at least mentioned in arguments for the ban. Imo, it all makes a bit too much sense for being just a placebo.
Even though of course the stats alone, that are often mentioned in arguments, could be attributed to a placebo effect.

:D

I guess the LZRs trap a little air inside the suit for compression purposes, I'd think that's how they allow for better oxygen transfer to the muscles.

But " it allows for better oxygen flow to the muscles, and holds the body in a more hydrodynamic position" is basically the same as "improved goalkeeper AI" which you can find on every single FIFA game (at least that's how it used to be a few years ago). They said that about Fastskin1 already (here is a picture), according to speedo the seam around the muscles would enhace oxygen delivery.

well, I suppose there is a really easy test for buoyancy.

Throw it in the water, see if it floats and if it does how much of the fabric is above the water level.
After that you only have to find out if buoyancy really does help the times.

Your quote does sound a bit like an adevertising statement by the manufacturer. Is that correct?
Cause if it is, I wouldn't exactly expect them to openly advertise the more controversial aspects ;)

Ye it kinda was an advertisement statement, these points haven't really been controversial until 2008 though when everybody on TV suddenly was like "oh my god all the world records are falling in the same fashion they do every 4 years, I guess we need to blame the swimsuits" when in reality it's just a new generation of swimmers which is better than the last one. There's been a couple years where world records were scarce to be broken between 2002-2008 but that was the time where most legends like Alexander Popov, Ian Thorpe, Pieter van den Hogenband, Micheal Klim, Grant Hacket etc. haven't been in their prime and retired shortly after. Now we have a new generation of stars like Micheal Phelps, Alain Bernard and Paul Biedermann and IMO it's just natural that they're better, science isn't only developing swimsuits but training methods, swim techniques, start techniques (the new starting blocks made for track and field starts probably gain you at least 0.2-0.5 seconds I'd guess), etc.

well, I guess we'll see at the next olympics :)

Also there have been some rule changes that allow you to be a bit faster, like the backstroke turn - you would be disqualified if you used your legs after you turned around before the wall (you can check it out here). Or you haven't been allowed to do a dolphin like kick in breastroke disciplines (check out the underwaterphase after the start in this video, you'd get disqualified for that a few years ago).
These are all rule changes that may very well allow you to be 0.5-1 second faster than before so I think the world records have been quite realistic.

But yeah, I'm definitely excited for London but I guess some records will already fall at next years World Championships :)

Thanks for letting me bother you with this :D:D <3

interesting but...























have you tried militia?

no . but did you know milita's why swimsuits got banned?





also did you know I'm riding a horse? backwards!














btw, me = drunk yo :)

Whole russian cs 1.6 top is constantly high on SPPPPEEEEEED.

I'm actually interested in who these 'top players in the CS scene' are... lol

He's just a kid talking out of his ass :)

No, I'm not. You're just a 'kid' who's obviously never had the chance to experience anything other than catching a monitor tan.

hey at least he knows what a placebo is.

He sure as hell doesn't know anything about speed.

Most of them don't play anymore, but two of the teams...one being zEx and the other being Team3D. I'm not saying the whole teams did, but certain members were. Another one of the teams has one of the top US CTF teams for QL...i'll let you figure that one out.

So basically US clans? Are we talking Team3D pre or post CGS? I don't really believe it, but then I'm just interested :)

as far as i've heard ritalin use is rather widestread among us students, what he claims doesn't sound so farfetched tbh.

method (mike so) is one player.

Up until CGS. I'm sure many of them still do, but i had to stop playing right around the time CGS started due to work - so i couldn't tell you for sure.

Now we know why Rapha brings his bible to quake. Cut inside the hundreds of thick pages if some of the finest meth only walt from breaking bad could produce.

No I doubt any of the top 5 players are on speed or amps.

Why do you doubt that? All these people doubting giving 0 reason as to why. You really think it's some magical fairytale land where people don't cheat? Once again - I'm not talking about meth due to the simple fact it'd be too much for most people.

there was a us ut2kx player who claimed uppers where his downfall. pretty sure i've read he used to take meth to practice for days on :d

Yeah see...that's where it's gonna go bad.

I doubt it due to seeing interviews with the players, their general behaviour etc.
I do think some of them might use low dose ADHD drugs perhaps but overall I'm not convinced that drugs go with gaming or at least most of them dont.

You're convinced based on what? Drugs are used in every walk of life to enhance something. What makes you think gaming is different? Are you also convinced drugs don't help in sports?

I'm convinced due to trying a lot of drugs. I've already stated I do believe ADHD type drugs/speed in lower doses might help some. Drugs for sports as in steroids enhance absolutely even supplements work but only after you've worked out and eaten. Gaming is much different kettle of fish IMO. Its more about patterns, bit of maths and timing and co-ordination/reaction times only using one hand. bit liek wanking

there's no ADHD that a good bitchslap won't cure.

Thats true but its also an amazing way to get legal drugs when you wanna be pro.

I'm sorry what was that? wasn't paying attention.

a few dabs of speed will make your reactions faster, half gram or more will make you over compensate, and just bore you while sitting on your ass

unless your tekno, then you need 15grams anyway, cos speed it wack, and pills kill your brain, if the party is shit, you can just go home with a few bags left for tomorrow

I think there should be two leagues: one where drug-use is allowed absolutely, and one where drug-use is forbidden.

epic thread is epic

lol

seems like some people are so desperate that they need some "brain cheat" do be "good" at quake.

i don't take anything, are you jealous ?

Because you aimbot, as proved in the video.

i knew someone would say that...

so obvious... and so wrong :)

you don't know me, you don't know ANYTHING about me, so pls don't accuse me of cheat just cuz of some random esr vid...

it's time to give give up when even idiots like QkumbR realize you cheat.

why should i give up when people are wrong ?

christ...

I'm an idiot because you are trying to talk about something creating a placebo effect when THERE IS NOTHING that is going to consistently create those effects. Nice try though.

"The placebo effect is the measurable, observable, or felt improvement in health or behavior not attributable to a medication or invasive treatment that has been administered."

"something creating a placebo effect when THERE IS NOTHING"

jesus fucking christ and mary.....

just savin teh threadz

sexy, i hope its not u ;D

;D

SCARED STRAIGHT

love the comment.

He's a gentleman and a scholar.

BAH! BAH! BEEEEETCH BITCH! BITCH! OOOOH WHOOOP DAT BOI! III WHOOOP DAT BOI!!!

quit cheatin.

I hear he's got 98% win rate.

i smoke 5 kilogramms of pot and pwn, what would happen if i take stuff like no 1 says?
Will i become the matrix itself? Can i stop your bullets?

btw therm, here are adult ppl around so stop posting pix of your little sister, the internetz is not belgium.

omg

Soon, we'll hear stories about drastic increase in reaction time whenever one of the models will wiggle her booty in front of a player.

The obvious exception to this would be Strenx, coz he has boyfriends.

I used to take adderall sometimes to help me cram for finals when i put off studying for too long and i needed to stay up for 48 hours studying :(. Alas, in these times I would take quake breaks, and this shit DEFINITELY helped my reaction time and decision process. I wouldn't say it made me aim any better accuracy wise, but I feel it helped with weapon choice and my point click reaction time. On the other hand, I hated the way adderall made me feel, I could literally feel the chemical difference in my brain and change in personality when I was on it, so I stopped taking that shit.

Yeah it will change your personality...no doubt. But back to the point - it helped your game in one way or another. check - on to the next one.

It's kind of naive to think that drugs AREN'T done at these events...

are they ?

Of course.

oops I read "drug tests", my bad

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Why not? The US government was clearly successful with this endeavor.

zing

This is just a hypothetical question buddy. Obviously all that would have to be worked out. The basic point i was trying to get across is that people are not playing on an even field.

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sigh and the stupidity of humanity never ceases to amaze. what I meant is that with these drugs, addiction is very common, and 'optimal' dosage is therefore super hard to stick to.

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possibly, if it's weak and in very small dosages. after that your concentration and attention span will suffer too much for QL duel, along with jittery effects.

No, they don't. Once you get a clue - you may post again

thanks!

is that a request for putting you on probation?

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they wouldn't quite need to go overboard for it to get detrimental. anyway this is a stupid debate since given how it's dependant on various subjective things, if you'd have read my other posts in this thread you'd know how irrelevant i think this question is.

this topic reminded me of this: http://replay.waybackmachine.org/200504090215.../guide.htm
but it's in german, there are no pictures and it's for q2 8(

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Sorry I want ONLINE DRUG testing now before any 50 dollar event!OUTRAGED!

Gentlemen there is only one way for this "Drugs and QL (pro gaming in general)" lark to be sorted - send me drugs of any type and i will review them on a morning basis to erowid standards.

I LoL at these people comparing energy drinks, caffeine, etc to amphetamines. It just proves that half of you have absolutely no clue other than what you googled.

LOL they pay obscene amounts for shitty energy drinks thinking its useful. LOLOOLOLOLOL.

might as well save money and buy caffeine pills.

it might help to concentrate, which will improve ur aim and reaction time but it will definitely have negative effects on ur tactics/timing items/teamwork which are crucial, especially @ pro-level
It's just stupid to deteriorate ur health for such a thing as gaming. It's made to have fun, dont take it too seriously man.
And if ur gaming for years and have been practicing us ass off and you still haven't reach the level pro's are playing @, the only thing u can do is to give up and accept you never will be a pro-gamer.
They simply are smarter.

I am using ritalin since few weeks (i got diagnosed for adhd) and I can say my game improved alot. Note: game not aim.

I used to play very agressive. Since I am taking ritalin i am much more calm. I can time better / avoid combats which I am obviously gonna lose etc. My raw aim is better without the medicin. I tend to get bit 'stoned' from ritalin.

Overall it helped me alot! Only negative thing is rebounds - once the medicin stops working. It decreases my concentration, i talk alot, very annoying :D Its like i am off the medicin, but worse!