"· Swedish immigrants are on strike for 5 minutes one day against the SD"
Great!

"· A list of the 20 first SD names on the ballot paper is published and something negative is stated about each person"
Well there was this one guy who claimed immigrants are genetically violent...

"· The knife-gashed SD politician has staged the story himself"
Yeah they portray themselves as victims, also see "· The SD are alleged to profit from the martyrdom"


"· The Prime minister warns people that a vote for the SD is dangerous for the country"
It's true.

"The SD are accused of having its roots among Nazi people"
They have tried to clean up their past but I guess it's hard.

It's quite sad that there's so many jobless jamerios voting for SD in sweden :(

So let's see if i got this right.

They are teaching SD lesson by striking against their employers, who gave them jobs, which is quite possible the most anti-"far-right" thing one can do and conversely the best thing to do for immigrants?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic

No, you just don't understand or know anything about the strike. The point was educating people about the good things immigrants contribute with. Might not be the best way but at least it's something.

Maybe you're also one of those finland boys that learn everything they know about politics and science on blogs so I'm probably wasting my time.

Left wing douchebag, who accuses anyone who doesn't bend over and welcome foreigners into their country as racist.
you're the opposite of a racist, no better because you steretype people who don't follow your ideal.

The UK is one of the most abused coutries in the world when it comes to immigration.

You don't have a fraction of the immigration woes the UK does so spare me the uninformed views. Not to mention the small size.

If you think mass immigration works, go to london peterborough or any of the outskirts of london and see how miserable many british residents are at having such a sudden influx of foreigners dumped onto them. it works for the immigrants because most have everything to gain tand nothing to lose.

Its quite ironic we fought so hard to win two world wars, only to fuck it up by ensuring civil war within the next 50 years.

it'll happen to other developed coutnries too, just the UK first cos its smaller.

who doesn't bend over and welcome foreigners into their country as racist.

you might want to check what racist means you racist.

TBH If my immediate family and country were hated for millions of racist crimes I would probably try and deflect it as much as possible at any given chance.

All part of your plan to forget, but it still doesn't change the fact that your immediate family/country allowed unspeakable racist crimes to happen and your entire country is tarnished even today, with that nazi identity. And so are you my little gene carrier.

Even today, that nazi following gene pumps through your veins so don't talk shit to someone whose family helped rid europe of fascism and helped to destroy your lovely ideals.

Everyday you interact with people who hide such dark secrets.
It must be horrible if you think about it.

So I understand your frustration, but everytime you talk shit about me, I'll just remind you of your >>reality<<<.

Esreality,where gamers meet reality! (or escape it!)

whatever you wrote there doesn't change that you are a racist and would have voted the nsdap in you had lived in 1930 Germany.

yeah isn't funny how he keeps nagging about the bad 'Nazi gene' but still have the same opinions of a nazi/racist.
its fascinating actually how delude someone can be... on so many subjects and on so many levels.

You're talking about deluded and replying to someone whose assigned my allegiance to a 1930's nazi group if I was around then!

Keep flocking towards the brighest star!

Do feel free to link to my opinions of a nazi racist!
Big on accusations. Small on facts.

Welcome to the world of the socially deprived gamer!!!

and you talk about a 'nazi gene' and claims that beck has some personal blame for a war that happened 70 years ago... yeah sure you're the clever one here.

I didn't say he is to blame.

I said he carries the shame, stigma and recent genetic footprint of a country that couldn't stop the ideals of a few.

All of which is true. Your country did fuck all in the war so go away with your useless opinons.

yeah my opinion is useless because of something that happened 70 years ago... flawless logic.

Yes it is, because it wasn't your country under attack, it wasn't your values under attack, it wasn't your relatives getting killed, or cities getting bombed.

So you have no idea how you and your values might have turned out otherwise.

you're welcome for the insight into superior intelligence and understanding.

my grand father was one of those volunteers who went to Finland to help them in the war against Russia but so what?
only a idiot would still hate today's ppl of Germany and Russia for what happend back then, i don't believe in inherit guilt I'm sorry.
Its like our queen, shes from Germany and all of the sudden not long ago some reporter dug up some family three where some relative to her father was a nazi, like she was suppose to apologize for some that happened before she was even born?

discussion closed.

don't forget he seems to believe in some "evil-gene".

He is probably a fan of Eugenics, too.

"Even today, that nazi following gene pumps through your veins"

xD

This is the most retarded post I've ever read.

u might want to have ur own opinion one day about whats good and what not.

oh look, it's an polemic attack based on a personal opinion. Hadn't had enough of those in this thread.

And that was your only contribution to a discussion. You really should go vote right-wing, they need people like you!

ramble ramble

for a comparison please post what SD people are saying about immigrants and other groups.

also: don't learn politics, science or anything else on blogs.

If you belive what aftonbladet.se says then yes. If you create your own opinion then you would realise it's not so bad.

Couldn't really decipher what you meant. Do you mean that the democratic system in Sweden ain't that bad, or that SD aren't that bad?

What I mean is.

It seems to be that people are just slandering the current SD politics based on something that they stood for +10-20 years ago. To me they don't seem racist today. They want to bring up the questions about how the current migration system in Sweden works, which to me seems very costly/bad. They are not saying they want to through people out or crusify 'non Swedish' people. They simply seem to want answers how much more can the Swedish society take? I mean we have communities that are +90% non Swedish, our prisons have a vast majority of foreign people. Our loopholes in the wellware programs for imigrants etc. The list is long and the other parties seem to neglect these questions.

I did not vote for SD btw :)

Ps: It's VERY scary how Swedish media are currently trying to slander the SD party by trying every single angle available to through dirt at them. Trying to make them sound much worse than they are. Not to mention we have 'democracy' in Sweden so the vote should be accepted by our biggest newspapers, but obviously they are favouring the other parties in this case. Everything on www.aftonbladet.se and www.expressen.se is just fricking made up stories to try and harm this 'new' party. I thought this only happened in USA in modern days (to this extent). The media is currently twisting and trying to change the public opinion but they are failing badly and it will just put more wood into the fire.

Seeing as I'm already involved in like 8 different threads inside this thread, I'm gonna avoid going into a debate over this with you. But, what troubles me about your statement is your apparent insight into how made up the stories that two independent Swedish newspapers are. And I completely disagree what you wrote also, but I'll settle at that, since you're by far not the worst in this thread.

You can disagree of course and I don't intend to change that. I'm more concerned about how the media twists and turns a democratic vote than anything else. I thought we lived in a democratic country :( For me it's important that the immigration questions are brought up since I think there is something wrong in our soceity if we see the current loop holes. I fully understand why so many people have voted like they have, and I think the vast majority of the SD voters are not racist, they just want to bring these questions up.

but how are you sure that it really is all twists and lies by the media? Just because SD say so or are there other reasons?

I mean, try to look at it from a completely different direction.
Imagine the following:
The people in charge of the SD have not changed their opinon since they started out, but instead believe that slogans like "Keep Sweden Swedish" are the way to go. Or even further are outright racist. Then imagine they believe it is their mission to "save" Sweden from foreigners.
Yet, in the past they got stopped by their lousy results in votes when they said what they really think.

Now think about it:
How do you expect them to react, if they really want to fulfill their mission, and that means attract as many votes as possible.
How would their alter their public political program, their message to the people?
How would they use the new media such as the internet?
How would they react to the established parties and the media after being accused?

our prisons have a vast majority of foreign people

i dont believe that

"I mean we have communities that are +90% non Swedish"

You mean the Finnish ones?

Good for Sweden that SD got some 7% or so..a shame it wasn't more. Those politicians saying it will be bad for Sweden and that immigrants are the best thing that ever happened, are living in rich and calm areas. They should be forced to move to areas where all the hard working and non violent (lol) immigrants are living, but of course that's never going to happen.

you really need to get your facts straight.

Are you seriously trying to say that all immigrants are violent?

Oh it's not ALL immigrants that are a problem. For example if I moved to their country it would be perfectly fine. One guy I was chatting to in Berlin said

"You know I really like you, you would fit in well here."

I replied "Oh really? Why?"

He then said "Well, you look German!"

Which goes to show that idiocy knows no color :P

No, but there are many areas that are seriously destroyed by immigrants. It also depends on the immigrants you get, the Somalis get integrated like crap, while the Turkish are A LOT better at doing so.

here people say turks are the worst at integrating.

Well, don't wish for a shit load of Somalis then ;)

is that the only information you gather from that statement?

Both are Muslims!!!!1

The political climate in Denmark disgusts me nowadays. I just hope that our politicians stick to what they say about SD and don't give into some bullshit Danish way of trying to be more like them in order to "steal their votes" or anything else.

If any of you ESR SD fans (or any other SD supporters for that matter) would actually take the time to read their political agenda in detail, you'd see that their solutions to the "sloppy integration" is to pretty much shut down our borders, without any solutions to anything else. The only thing they contribute to is to create a colder political climate in which people who believe in easy solutions to hard problems will feel that it's now legitimate to think the way SD does, which will lead to even more segregation.

I quote Kirsebaer: "No, but there are many areas that are seriously destroyed by immigrants."

Let's say that these places were destroyed by immigrants (even if I don't know where you got that from). Now, why do you think that happened? Is it because they're immigrants, or is it because (among many others things too, ofc) concentrated poverty leads to those consequences. We need to work with means to restore balance in these kinds of poor areas, and not just say that people of some races cause problems (which I'd say is a pretty Nazi way of identifying a problem, wouldn't you?) and work on creating a positive integration process for people moving here for various reasons.

My own personal summary of this topic would be that it kinda boils down to whether you actually care about other people or not.

If we were to give Skåne to Denmark we wouldn't have this problem ^^

...I remember hearing that phrase in other subjects as well...

And you of course follow our politics every day so that's a fair statement. Where are you are political commentator again?

To keep it short. Just go to youtube or visit any of the towns yourself. This is just a random video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpztti4DBEM the fun thing is that it's a copy of some placers here. The ambulances or firefighters never go in without the police to help them, and the police never go in unless there are several cars. Don't call it poverty, because you get A LOT more on welfare that you get as a high school or university student living alone. If I stopped studying and didn't get a job, I'd get 1140€ each month. When I study I get €700. If you have kids you get much more as well, plus you get child support from state. There is just NO excuse for being criminal as no one is poor.

The nazi and racist quote is just getting too old. No one is ever saying stuff like their genetics make them evil, it's in their blood, our race is supreme and etc. . It's their culture, plain and simple.
A lot of them don't want to get integrated. I started a business three years ago with two other students where one was originally from northern Iraq and then he lived in Turkey for some years. He is probably the biggest anti immigrant person I know of. He calls them lazy, thiefs and in short just says he hates sand niggers (perkere). His former friends are still going around doing nothing or some criminal acts, and none of them has bothered to take an education. He has a BA in technical engineering and then he went on to read economics. He thinks their culture and islam has destroyed their people, because they have become too inbred. His farther and some uncles has both major heart problems because of this. He has actually been married to a danish girl, just so that they can get some new blood into the family as he says. He can tell SO many stories about how the system is getting abused and how to do it. His mother came on incapacity benefit many years ago, simply because she hadn't learned the language and she had no skills or education from their home country. I don't know if you know if it, but some years ago there was a debate about burqas here and whether they should be allowed in the public room (it was voted down). He said it was yet another example of how stupid the culture was. The idea is that women are so hot that men can't control themselves, and they don't other men to look at their sexy wife. But if the men can't control themselves, it should be them that wore a blind fold instead, and they should see a shrink if they are so jealous that other people can't look at their wife or daughter.
I have the news, I have the statistics on immigrants, I have my own experience and I have what I've been told by others, including immigrants. If you sum it up, it's has been a bad deal for everyone. If you took all those hundreds of billions spend on integration and used them in poor countries, you could have helped A LOT more people.

Trying to interpret any statistic by just looking at a few numbers is like taking one look at a map of a minefield and then starting to run through it.

Here is video of Europeans, atheists and christians: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2vYwXUotkY
Yeah better throw those violent muslims out ...

What you should really do is spend a few weeks to a muslim country, away from the tourrist areas, and learn first-hand how the people there are like. You will be surprised.


Since you are Danish, I am sure Christiania is a topic you are familiar with.
Just imagine, if everything there had exactly the same for the last 3 decades with one single difference:
All of the inhabitants were muslims.

No imagine how rightist groups and the media would have used that for polemic attacks.
But fortunately it's mostly danes, so it can't be all that bad.

Just a simple statistic, isn't it?


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Also, those rightist groups go to extremes avoid the term "racism" and declare they are not racists whenever they can. But somehow I don't believe they would show the same reactions to "normal" Danes that have converted to the Islam, or the other way round, treat Lebanese Christians just like other christians. Do you?
I believe the only reason they try to never admit that they are in fact racist is that they don't want to be put in to _that corner_. Where tehy actually belong.

I have no idea what that video is about, but they look like morons. The autonomen people are so far out. Some want anarchy, a lot vote for the communist party and in general they all hate everything that has to do with capitalism. Oh yes we have our share. But that's really the point, trouble makers should get punished.

Imagine if a group of Chinese people cause trouble in China. They would of course get some punishment that the country finds suited for its citizens. Now imagine that 20.000 Spanish people moved to China and started to settle in certain areas and pushed the local population away. Next they demand bull fights, a lot of Christian churches and the meat for the Spanish dishes have to be butchered in a certain cruel way. The also pretty much hated the local Chinese traditions and religion which they looked down upon. They didn't care much about the Chinese people as well. The saying was that you fuck a Chinese whore but you marry a Spanish girl. If you married a Chinese person you were a fool. A lot of the Spanish youth didn't bother to learn proper Chinese in the schools and they had fun doing stuff like stealing cars and robbing people. After a year there are 100.000 Spaniards, and now they want their owns schools and days where only Spanish people can go to the public swimming pool. Some of the Chinese traditions are offensive to them so they want them removed. They also wanted to wear traditional Spanish clothes and to have Spanish food served in the schools. The more they come, the more they want changed. Now after many years, the general public thinks enough is enough. They can't ship them all home, so instead they try to get the trouble makers shipped back to Spain when they are breaking the law. Of course there are regular Chinese people that commit crimes as well, but the immigrants came as guests because they liked the new country and they way things worked there, and as such a lot of the Chinese people think that the Spaniards should act more properly, at least until they are properly integrated. But many Spaniards don't want to integrate. What they really want is a copy of the country they left, besides of a few things.

Now what should happen? If you ask me, the Chinese government should say "well, that was 30 years with Spaniards, let us see how it went. Uh..the numbers shows that you did like crap. Over-represented when it comes to serious crimes like rape, violence, murder and dealing hard drugs. You are poorly educated compared to the general population and it seems like you don't like it here. You also want to chance a lot of our traditions, you don't want to get integrated and leave your old culture behind you. I think we'll say that was it but there is just no future in keep doing this.

You certainly have fallen victim to rightist arguments.


let's imagine a time when jews lived in gettos in Europe, build Synagogues, ate only kosher meat, spoke in their language and practiced their religion.
Noone gives them jobs as crafter, so many become merchants and laters bankers. Some of them lend money to the poor "original Europeans" and lived of the taxes.
Then suddenly your country loses a war it thought it should have one, and you hear that the Jews are the reason you lost. But so far only the some small groups advocate that rumor, which you think is the truth. Therefore you think those small groups should get more support.

Long post short:
I fou continued on that path you would end up voting nsdap.

Why the fuck can't people learn from history, but have to keep repeating the same mistakes???

A history that tells that when it comes to invading, oppressing and explointing natives and being violent in general, we the people of Europe really take the cake and have done so for the last millenia. Yet, those polemics dare to say that we are the victims ... And what even worse: People believe them.

This is not some European thing. It's not more than a few weeks ago I saw that Israel wanted to deport asians, and their children couldn't go to school if they were under or above six years old.
In Dubai, foreigners are treated as less important/sub people or whatever you want to call it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Dubai
I saw a documentary once on the discovery channel, about engineers going to dubai and about the crazy projects they were involved in. They quickly covered the downsides though, like if they went to a restaurant or a store, and a native person was coming after them, they would get treated that last. Imagine if you did that in Europe. You would get fired within 10 seconds and be labelled a racist and probably be featured in the news. In general I don't think any country wants to get invaded by lots of foreigners. And when people don't want to integrate, you more and more feel your own culture fading away. It's simple as that. If people DO integrate, I don't see why there should be any problems.

my father lived and worked in Tunisia for seven years, neither he or his colleagues encountered racism.
In fact, often neighbors treated him more firendly than you average European neighbors.

Some of his colleagues had worked in Pakistan, one of my current colleagues in Iran. Always the same story, friendly people.
Dubai may just be an extreme example, because their society has encountered very drastic changes in recent decades and will most likely again when the wells run dry.


But that is actually besides the point. Right now you are basically arguing that if other countries are racist, it's fine if Europeans are racist, as well.

No I'm not, I summed up what I meant in the last sentence.

so why would you include statements about racism in other countries in your post, if it were completely unrelated to the point you are trying to make?

But ok, regarding the last sentence:

If people DO integrate, I don't see why there should be any problems.

The problem is that some random rightist people want to play judge and jury what "do integrate" really means. But I am sure you don't see any problem with that, so I don't really want to discuss it any further.

Because many people equate not liking a religion, culture or tradition with racism.

Well, it shouldn't be hard to make some basic rules.
1) Learn the language
2) Get an education and contribute to the society
3) Don't commit crimes
4) Remember it was you that moved to a new country, so it's you that has to change if you don't like it here.

Because many people equate not liking a religion, culture or tradition with racism.

And rightly so. Cause if you see a Lebanese on television being accused of rape, you will really stop and ask if he is Christian oir Muslim, if he did study or dropped out of school, how his parents raised him, if he just moved to Europe of if he lives here in third generation, if he even speaks Lebanese or just Danish.

No, all you will see is "Aha, another one of them raped a woman, I was so right to mistrust them."

http://www.dst.dk/upload/jan_p_kronik1.pdf
The national statistics center. Use google translate or something. Basically even when you adjust for low income, they are over-represented in the stats. Native danish men come in on a 9th place, and nr. 1-8 are people from muslim countries.

Why are you babbling about right wing propaganda and all this rhetorical nonsense. Just look at the reality, has this multicultural experiment been a success? Do you deny that the west couldn't have helped literally millions of people, if the money had been spend on improving the situation in their home countries?

It's their culture, plain and simple.

by saying that you're simply saying that in their home country crime is normal... its in their culture to do crime.
well since your a fan of statistics and don't believe that poverty, segregation and other factors might be the problem here you go:

Crimes per capita:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri...per-capita

not many Muslim countries on the list and turkey is on #54 while Denmark is #4 but hey it must be the 5.9~% immigrants fault right...

you and other racists problem is that you see whats in front of you and think in the simplest possible way on why the problem is there and how to solve it, maybe most you racists isn't racist after all and just simply stupid? maybe that's the danish culture, plain and simple?

There as so many variables that just tossing that is laughable. We have many laws and a lot of law enforcement. You get a fine if you have no lights on your bike or no helmet, and we have lots of automatic speed traps around in the country. We also have low corruption and don't try to paint a pretty picture like many countries. Second of all, countries statistics differ A LOT. What is homicide in one country is not in another. You can read a lot about this on wikipedia. That list has 60 countries which makes the entire thing more laughable.

An no, I don't say their culture makes them violent. I'm merely saying that their culture and ours doesn't mix very well. If I were to move out of Scandinavia, I would never move to the middle east. The thing that means the most to these people, seem to be their religion. It's pretty funny that they move to one of the most religion critical countries, and not to some Arabian one where they would find everything they need. They would live in the area where their prophet lived, have lots of mosques and equal minded people. More and more people are actually trying to not get religion freedom, but a religion free environment here.

There as so many variables that just tossing that is laughable. We have many laws and a lot of law enforcement.

Why didn't you at teh start, that you have no clue what you are talking about?

Ask your friend who lived in Turkey where he saw more policmen, there or in Denmark.

In case you don't want to embarass yourself: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pol-crime-police
Oh and they have another para-military police force.

I hate to spoil that beautiful graph for you, but there a quite a bit more people in Turkey than here.

fine, lets do it per capita.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pol_per...per-capita

even though that statistic doesn't include the Turkish Gendarmery, which adds another 2/1000.

Actually, having visited one of the countries he is judging would have done the trick, too.
But I suppose finding stuff out for yourself really doesn't help if you chose to believe in rightist propaganda :/

The armed forces...lol

To anyone who can read well, it clearly says that their task fulfill roles in law enforcement.

Thank you for granting us just another example of how good you are at understanding simple things.

I like how you failed to argument and started to get personal. Sarcasm wasn't lost on you..no sir.

eh what?

You are unable to read a simple wikipedia article, as you showed by missing that it is a ppara-military unit that has a law enforcement function.
Anyone who can read well, should be able to get that information form a wikipedia article.

You didn't.

This isn't a matter of opinion one could argue about, either, it is a simple fact.

Ahh wikipedia, the cornerstone of truth.

One could argue that its fact controlling system is way better than any other encyclopedia, wouldn't you agree?

No.
Because so many idiots on the net quote wikipedia like its always right with no concept its open to political, religious, intellectual failings.

Its ok for a reference, but you can't say things like wiki sais this so it must be right?

You cna say something in UK which is fine and be stoned for the same thing in a foreign country. Accuracte info is harder to obtain than you think.

Of course not, no source of information is always and objectively right.

However, you sounded like (by using sarcasm in the way you did) that it's often wrong. I merely suggested that maybe it's no more wrong than your common encyclopedia (and probably a lot better at serving you updated information). You have to regard "truth" in the context it exists in (the same concept of truth applies to encyclopedias, Wikipedia, etc), something that's often lost in these forums, and especially in this thread.

And however #2. If you fail to provide information that can shift the "truth" (see how generous I was there?) regarding Becks' statement, I'd say it still stands.

No, I used sarcasm because "backs" made out that the information was true because wikipedia said so.

I found the notion of it retarded and even more so by using it to somehow win a discussion.

Wiki leaks is pretty good for general accuracy, but like I siad, when it comes to history, war, religion its open to a lot of abuse, which is why I don't use it.

At least when someone is trying to explain something neutral, the only crime might be their own lack of knowledge.

Ask a devout muslim to write an article on the moral of 911, vs a hot dog seller in downtown new york.

That's how random the information can be because they will perceive and project it differently and that's assuming they can tell the truth.

/Done trollign today, gonna pick up a car.

Tomorrow maybe.

What you just explained goes for every bit of information that was ever out there.

you know, sometimes I really believe you are trolling.

How else would it be possible to be wrong so incredibly often?

He has a 90% win rate

thing is he didn't argue against the truth of the information, he simply didn't find or ignored it.
If he argued against the truth, he shouldn't simply quote another part of the ery same article.

But please don't strain yourself to understand the difference.

My fucking god.
Don't let your statistics teacher read that...

You do realize that you can divide the number of policemen by the population of the specific country, yes?

lol

Sharia Law?

Turkey?

Influence?

lol, you fail.

yesyes, when was it denounced?
what do they say about attacking other muslims?

oh so they have to denounce it, to not have sharia law?
Afaik, Finland hasn't officially denounced it either, or has it?

Oh look, we have laws against murder and robbery. Looks like we were influences by the sharia...


Nope, it really is simple. Either a country has sharia law or it doesn't. Turkey doesn't and hence you fail.

Or will you really try to argue that a country that has banned headscarf and allowed alcohol consumption has based its law on the Sharia?

haha, oh yes, pardon my english, denounce seems to be a wrong word but with a little logic you should have understood.

so you say that sharia law does not have any influence on the people's perception of the world - in this case crime - whereas our western world has christian values imprinted everywhere (want them or not).

ok.

nice to go and attack my logic.


Denounce can be used in this case to form an understandble sentence, even though it doesn't make too much sense.
But do you really want me to always assume you have bad english and wanted to use a different word?

back to the point:
Having a culture being influenced by the sharia in a few aspects, is not nearly the same as having sharia laws. Especially if some laws directly contradict the sharia!

Also, the Islam, Christianity and Judaism share quite a lot of history, who dares to say they never influenced each other?

de·nounce
3. To give formal announcement of the ending of (a treaty).

No, the word suits perfectly.

Back to the point:

Having a culture that HAS HAD laws based on Sharia for a long time will be true to them long time after. Specially when most (90%?) of its population is muslim.

Fun fact:

Muslims are forbidden to steal from other muslims. It does not say anything about the people from other religions.

oh?
So I take it you guys are still living under Sowjet laws then?
Or maybe German laws?

And you, just like kirsebear need to visit a muslim country or else stop spreading your bullshit. Go ask them whether they think stealing fom non-muslims is alright.
Then afterwards walk through Rome, the city of the pope, flashing a golden watch.


also you really should decide whether you want to use a word or not. Sharia isn't really a treaty or agreement, so I actually don't think that definition fits.

Ah ahhahaah dumb ass. Do you understand what you are comparing - different occupations, that lasted from decades to couple of hundred years, with God's law in a Muslim country?

No, we do not live by soviet laws or world view but the effects are still here and will stay for a very long time. Same shit there. Influence on the perception of the people. It is not that hard to understand.

And obviously you do not understand what Kirsebaer is trying to say. Call him a racist or whatever the sad truth is that majority of the immigrants THAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT are younger uneducated aggressive people who do not care about the local culture. They only ask, but do not give. Now they have hit the critical mass where they start to overload the system. This also leads to the raising hatred by the locals.

When you feel threatened you will defend. That's what they are doing now. The scale of it comes from the length that they have kept it in. Accumulated hatred. It's a consequence.

About Rome and golden watches. Who most likely steals your watch in Estonia - a Russian or an Estonian? In Denmark? In Germany?

I do not make these things about Islam up. It was told by someone who had lived and worked in an Islamic country for a decade if not more. Here is another funny story a local Muslim told and i shit you not, it's not an anecdote:

Muslim takes a plane from his country to Europe. Suddenly he orders a glass of alcohol from the stewardess. A person next to him asks about that - wasn't it forbidden? To that the response was:"But I'm not at the holy land anymore. Allah does not see this far."

+

Forget about the word.

and

Crime has started to raise in Turkey.

THAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT are younger uneducated aggressive people

oh really?
the majority, is it?

go away, please.


Or better yet, think about how Estonians look to the rest of the EU: Poorer, less educated, asking for support.
Also you calling me "dumb ass" can be called agressive.

So, if you go by your own standards the EU should never have accepted you. And guess what, many conservative/right-wind parties did oppose your entry.

But I suppose you only enjoy the money from the EU and being able to freely move and don't see a single reason why others should get the same opportunity.

Your problem is that you are full of prejudices, the US abolished slavery and now even have a black president, that is a pretty long way to go.
Europe has come a long way from the dark-ages and burning witches.

But for some reason you simply decided that muslims can not do the same.

Also when was turkey ruled by the sharia? Without looking at wiki, I'd say ... never?

nah, that's not correct, they did have it.

But they abolished it long before the US allowed African Americans in the front of a bus.

as a child grow up in a small town whit just few immigrates/adoptive and those ppl where just as any other ppl because they didn't live in the slum and they had a decent job and a secure environment.
for me its as simple as that, nothing to do whit culture and mixing or what ever.
how sure are you that if its was the other way around and you and your family came from a trouble Denmark to an other country where you're family would get a bad jobs or none at all, treated differently because your white and had to live in the slum, that you as young would be angry about the country you live in and living in the slum as you do, wouldn't do crimes ect?

you will ofc say 'no i wouldn't do crime' but i think the odds are that you would. not because of race, culture or mixing. because of environment and the situation but you would be fine just as most are if you would have came to the type of town i lived in.
that's whats need to change and not that every country closes their borders in fear and make the world isolated and hateful.
the fact that you don't understand this is mind bothering.

Do you realize in what way you're going? More democratic? less democratic? I mean, if you even begin to imply that freedom of religion (not sure if thats the correct term) shouldn't be allowed, then you sure are on a slippery slope. The similarities to a few countries involved i the second world war are just growing stronger and stronger. Quite the society you'd like to live in huh?

It all depends on what you like. I personally too hope we can go away from being influenced by religion and let science led the way. Of course that is a slippery slope for people that want religion, but to people that don't it is progress. It all depends on what side you are standing.

It kinda depends on whether or not you believe in fundamental democratic rights or not. I'm an atheist, but i respect that people believe differently. The slippery slope is not for the ones that "want religion", the slippery slope is for you. You're on it.

A study on European immigration gave Sweden full marks (The only country who achieved that). Wondering why even in that those racist parties enjoy popularity.

We need to work with means to restore balance in these kinds of poor areas, and not just say that people of some races cause problems

Funny, i dont remember seeing ghettos / junk campsites which arent 100% romanians? Or CHILDREN selling fake crappy junk jewellery (And even sometimes get threatened by a big fellow after saying go away).

But i have to say that im not against romanians as a race, those capable of living like a normal human being are mostly good people.

What ghettos are you referring to?

romani != romanians. Just stating the fact, I have few female Romanian friends that don't wear enormous dresses. Also, in some of the worst caravan camping areas of Stockholm, a quite sizeable amount, if not half, of the inhabitants are "regular Swedish criminals".

Propably not all are criminals, just homeless poor people :) (which often though leads to theft and other small crimes)

And ofc not every romanian female wear those enormous huge dresses nor male romanians spend all days on horse tracks.

Fuck me, your ignorance has no boundaries.

What you are talking about are the gypsies, or rather called "rromi" whom do NOT represent Romanians at all. They are around 2-3% of Romania's population and unfortunately that 2-3% makes the whole other 97-98% look bad all over Europe. And ignorant fellas like yourself don't help it at all.

Ignorance ? Cant spot it.

Are you sure u know what that word means ?

When you are confusing a whole nation with a minority within a nation, then yes my friend, that is ignorance.

this thread delivers

fascist scum.

That indeed looks quite fascistic way of acting from the major parties in sweden.

Damn those swedes.

How can u post things like that about the religion of peace love and sympathy !??. blasphemy !!

I was supposed to begin this post with "It's funny that you" etc, but then I realized that there's nothing funny about it at all. You "prove" things by posting 3 youtube vids but fail to understand simple statistics. You're the real danger here. Becks and the others did all the arguing needed to convince anybody with remote capabilities of understanding and analyzing, yet you fail to do so.

So your logic is this. I post a holocaust clip and you say "You "prove" things by posting 1 youtube vids but fail to understand simple statistics". Yes that is right..it is the number of videos that is the deciding factor. Not the content of it which we all thought.

You see, it's when you make posts like these that I understand why you think the way you do. I'm really tired and I'm in no mood to continue arguing about this with you since it's obviously pointless.

And here I would have thought volutarily helping to regulate traffic can be seen as contributing to society.
When parents do it so their children get ot school safely they are commended for it.

But apparantly it's a bad thing when muslims do it.


You disgust me.

Good, I hope I can get more muslims disgusted and they'll move out so that we can have our former glory back. If that is progress to you then a clay hut in Sahara and a quran must be the craziest science fiction. Yes becks, it is possible...live the dream and go for it.

Well, at least now I know why you fail so hard at your statistics homework.

You should be ashamed of yourself. You're just like the SD party, the more they talk, the more they show their true colors.

former glory? denmark? lol, when?

Touché :D

a german speaking of former glory.. lol.

get lost.

Kinda wishing now they'd been more 'glorious', so we wouldn't have taken Skåne from them. Would have saved us this racist scandal.

what's the average wage for a non qualified immigrant in swe?

wages are usually the same for immigrants or locals, but immigrants are often overrepresented in low-wage unskilled labour jobs, like in most countries.

1700 euros a month is probably a good average for a cleaner/street sweeper/giving out free newspapers, close to minimum wage but slightly above. Pay improves with time of course.

Theres been plenty of examples of companys hiring black labor, no pun intended, for less than 200€/month.

but dude, then your mom's gonna have to clean the toilets and collect garbage. can't have that.

come to dresden next year, biggest nazi rally in europe. we're gonna talk some sense into you guys.

I'd steer clear, Jamerio might firebomb it to get rid of some of the gene carriers.

I don't understand.. why not just deport immigrants who can't behave?

Because its "racist". and racism is ALWAYS LINKED TO BEING NAZI MASSMURDERER OF JEWS !!1

atleast most of the ppl today thinks so.

No, racism is linked to racism, which (wow, I can't believe that I'm actually explaining why racism is bad) is associating everybody who belongs to a certain "race" with a number of certain racial "traits".

I'll pause here. If you feel like you don't understand why this is bad, let me know.

He doesn't want to understand.

u clearly dont understand irony.

+ when immigrants commit serious crimes / often not so serious crimes and is deported from country, its often linked to racism. At least here in finland.

Also, racism is bad, especially extreme racism. But racism is less bad than overly overtolerant and could-not-care-less-how-many-immigrants-we-take/buy attitude.

I do in general, but it's hard to tell which parts/messages of your messages on this site when every one of them are equally stupid.

True.

Well, if the immigrants are the same race as the domestic inhabitants, it can't be racism. The word people seem to looking for here would be either bigotry, discrimination or prejudice.

In Europe, maybe people think about racism in a holocaust context, but in the United States, it's about the 150 year post-slavery world. Plenty of speeches during that era, from people like Martin Luther King, who can certainly sum up the problems with racism better than anyone in this thread (no offense).

It's good that no other religions have fanatics tho

Over and out :)

well yes please get out, since your you tube clips provide nothing but showing how stupid you are.

Have fun in your paradise. I hear Malmö is _the_ place to live in atm..

I have friends who are quite happy living there. Maybe you should go there and visit?

Been there and had a sister living there. No thanks.

what the fuck? has anyone found that faggot yet?

You are really narrow-minded. You keep showing all these videos that don't prove jack shit. Basically you are stating ALL immigrants, ALL muslims, ALL whatever are bad for your country.

It's the small parts of these categories that make them look bad, not the vast majority and the media is overly focused on them. A LOT more since 9/11.

I didn't get to talk to many danish people, but I pray to God most of them are not as daft as you are.

Of course a few videos doesn't prove everything in the world, but thereare a lot of statistics if you want to read through it, and as I've said the picture is grim looking for certain groups.
http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&id=1877974
Some numbers can be found in an old thread here.

edit: link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyJI9xDUYV8&feature=related

haha lefties are just butthurt because their meant-to-fail-system starts to crack.

You mean communists??

Becks I goddamn love you, you're cool, as always. Ronamic and Micke also, for taking the fight not all of us can be arsed to. I ruled out danskie as a racist a long time ago, like many of his finnish friends, maybe if they stopped reading blogs about black people and actually met some, they wouldn't mind them so much. Kirsebaer is a bit newer, I'm hoping his upcoming shroom trip might lead him to some deeper understanding and increased compassion for his fellow human beings, but that seems like it's gonna take a heck of a lot of mushrooms.

I was at a massive spontaneous rally yesterday in central Stockholm, I was impressed by the amount of people that showed up. I was happy to see the mix of people in the crowd: businessmen in suits, musicians, pizzamen, anarchists, families, hipsters, nurses, rastas, skinheads(the nice sort), and all kinds. Smiling and dancing in a spontaneous party, bridging the gap of fear that all of a sudden appeared the night before last. This election has done worse things for segregation than any immigration policy so far. New Swedes, we still love you.

Yes they are heroes. Before you even say something they pull the nazi card up. The first thing I said was that some places has been destroyed by immigrants. Jamerio named one place, yet romanic claims that has never happened. Well romanic, visit or google vollsmose, mjølnerparken, tingbjerg or gellerupparken here and you'll see what has happened. But no, the next thing is this gem.

"We need to work with means to restore balance in these kinds of poor areas, and not just say that people of some races cause problems (which I'd say is a pretty Nazi way of identifying a problem, wouldn't you?) and work on creating a positive integration process for people moving here for various reasons."

Yes, because from my sentence..
"No, but there are many areas that are seriously destroyed by immigrants." I _specifically_ mentioned their race as the problem.

Of course those areas were poor before and ghettos, because going with his logic, it wasn't caused by immigrants. Nope..these areas were always the poor places in Denmark and we have thick books about the problems here with drunk danes raping and throwing rocks at fire fighters. The first got printed in 1200 BC I believe. And now the immigrants got affected by these horrible slums as well. The politicians has actually tried to make anti-ghetto laws to prevent these areas from getting worse. It means that as a new immigrant, you have to settle in other parts of the town. Sounds far enough no? Well, the immigrants in the areas didn't like it, got angry and were featured in the media with a little girl saying "no one should tell anyone where they can or can't live". It never got passed through and today the problems keep getting worse.

Can I ask some other questions. How many immigrants can Sweden take in your mind. 25%, 50% or when should it stop? And what should be the solution to the problems that you have with immigrants?

yeah and I gave an example of a place being destroyed by the natives.
and another one where natives simply took over buildings and ignored the law of that country.

But you chose to ignore those. That alone told me a lot about how you view the world. You form, or more likely copy, a certain view and then simply look for example that sustain it. While ignoring all evidence to the contrary.

Want some youtube videos of drunk British chavs, or will you ignore that as well?

Well to be honest you aren't very nice to argue with. You tend to get personal and sarcastic in a matter of seconds. I also wrote several questions to you which you didn't answer, so why should I always answer you? I also feel that you twist the words of ones opinion, like when I said it's the culture that is the problem. We have problems with violence here so you start to prove that the culture isn't violent by looking at crime statistics. But you just can't compare crime from country to country like that. The amount of police officers is just one variable, but there are so many else. How well are they educated, how many has a police car and can go on patrol. How many laws are their, how many has a cellphone and can call the police. How many has a cellphone reception. How many take it up with the local clerk instead of asking the police and on and on. We can't find all those variables up and do an apples to apples comparison, but if we sum them up we can get close. So if you look at all the french, spanish, danish and british people with a criminal record in Turkey, look at their numbers and see the proportion to how many they are, then you would have some suitable numbers. Agree? And we do have those numbers here. I don't know if you have in germany or sweden, but here we started to keep track of peoples education level, past country, age and all sorts, and it is not in the favour of the muslim immigrants. Those from eg. vietnam and china are of no problems though. To get back to my point, the culture is probably not a problem in the respective home countries, but if you mix them with others you get various results. Some I'd imagine to go good like nigerians and somalis, and some bad like israelis with iranians. We have no problems with the german immigrants in the south of jutland, while other groups keep appearing.

You call people disgusting and put them into boxes where they are labelled as you please. I don't see anyone calling you niggerlover, jewscum or wrong in the head. Your argument is to make the other one appear to be evil basically. If I ask what the benefits are to have immigrants come over, I see very few but I can sure see a lot of bad things. Money, time, tension and stress in the public but for what? Some kebab food and funky clothes?

Romanic talked about how some adoptive immigrants he knew were normal, because they didn't grow up in slums. I honestly don't think there are slums in Sweden, but I assume he is referring to areas with many immigrants, also called ghettos. Well that was my point again. We also had a few turkish kids in our school when I grew up, and they were like you and me and the next door neighbour. It is not their blood that is weak or evil, they are just brought up learning things very differently, and the more they are with their own kind the more afar from the native public they get.

Next he claims people that find religion a leftover from the middle ages are on a slippery slope and it's not democratic if they prefer to keep it like that. I'm simply bedazzled by why such people now are evil. I could understand it though if hundreds of thousand of atheists went to eg. iran, and started to advocate for less religion and more science, because that's not what they want there. Same deal but you wouldn't say they are on a slippery slope, because they are in their home countries. (aren't we here?).
Why don't many immigrants seem to think before they move their life to a new world. All they seek can be found many others places, albeit not with a solid welfare state to pay for education and pension.
If the native Swedish people can get along with islam/muslims, romas and don't mind getting a lot of new cultures then there are no problem. But I can't see it working here, and it would appear that some 7,% percent of the Swedish population thinks the same, if not more because SD is halfway a nazi parti or something similar.

Want some youtube videos of drunk British chavs, or will you ignore that as well?
I might enjoy that but to what purpose and why would they have to be drunk? Those people in those videos aren't. If you find chavs that has settled in arabia and causing all sorts of troubles then I'd be glad to watch those.

this is a quote from your fisrt post on the matter:

non violent (lol) immigrants are living

try to guess why I replied the way I did.

Yes you assumed I meant everyone and asked, to which I replied no.

the (lol) sets the tone, telling everyone of your bias.

No you are missing the context. It's an indication of areas gone wrong, yet the politicians living in the north of zealand says otherwise.

yeah sure. That was the context of putting (lol) in the description of non violent immigrants. Not even school kids would believe that one.


It was biased slander. Nothing else. You smart (lol) right-wing sympathizer.

I am biased? lol..go visit one of the areas you retard. Leave your car for the night or stare at a group of arabian boys for 15 seconds. Yea I'm super biased, that's why the Shell gas station close to gellerupparken has reinforced the glasses and you can't even enter the shop after 20:00. Then you had to stand outside and talk through a speaker, and point at the stuff you want through the window. Oh no..those places are heavens on earth. You really take the price becks, again you can't argue and I still await your replies to my questions.
You touched nothing of what I said, just clamped up like the fool you are. I've wasted more than enough time on you and should have used the ignore feature a long time a go. You are a sad person.

That post would be insanely funny, if it weren't so sad that you mean what you write :(

For someone whose spent years writing on public forums that I'm a liar for working in games you sure are deluded.

I love how you make up things that I never said. If i feel like I have the time tomorrow, I'm gonna reply to this post. But in the meantime, please save me some time by reading my posts again and edit out the things that you just made up. Thanks in advance.

culture importing foreign elements. a common theme

I'm supposed to move to Sweden around 20 November, which would make me an immigrant as well. I'm guessing this is just media over-hype as usual and that it won't be such a bad experience.

LE: Surely it cant be a bad experience with all those swedish blondes and them 100 mb internets around :D

It's quite nice, what part of Sweden you moving to?

Stockholm

Cool, IM me up when you get here, let's have a few beers!

stay away criminal!
trespassers will be shot!
with lg :3

:D

It's easy to be mistaken for a racist even if you ain't one!

I remember at qlan2 in sweden back in 2004, I was playing a tourneymatch and finished it with a win.
Then there is this guy walk up behind me and ask if i'm amOKchen. Tells me we are going to play next and to wait on the server.
I had no idea who the guy was, but waited a while and someone called viju joined. Asked the only way I knew how to identify him: "Are you the black guy from before?"
He got a bit pissed, probably dind't help much that I beat him afterwards D;

But what can I say, he was the only black guy I saw at the entire LAN, did not think to much of it when I asked. Ofcourse it turned out he was an american, not sure what counts as racism there and what does not.

lool

:D

lmao

This thread reminds me of a german stammtisch (crackerbarrel) in a pub talking about politics and events of the day.
The usual suspects like Jamerio disgrace oneself while throwing narrow-minded "thoughts" based on their poor education and limited ability to think objective into a discussion.
The funny thing is that some of you seem to know everything. No matter what the subject is about. In fact quite the reverse is true.
I'm from Germany so I don't know how things are in Sweden. I mean I know that there are problems but I don't know actually why so I'm not gonna say "muslim's fault lql".
To keep it short I'll just post a wiki link for those who aren't familiar with the immigration in Germany.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Germany
It all started in the 60s when Germany brought plenty of guest workers especially from turkey into the country as we were in need of cheap workers who did the jobs of lower qualification (factory work). Those guest workers were only planned as a temporarly solution so no one really gave a shit whether they got integrated or not. The german goverment allowed them to stay in Germany because a lot of employers still needed them and hence the families settled here too.
There lies the problem. Most of those workers were uneducated and couldn't even write and read in their own language. So try to teach someone a language with the given basics :x. The 2nd generation faced exactly the same problems. They grew up with their mother tongue, were isolated and had no future. They were still seen as cheap workers and hence treated like that. Still no one gave a shit about their education or even thought about proper immigration.
It's easy to point a finger at them and say "lql you should have learned German and accommodate to our culture" but if you negated a problem for almost three decades and didn't face them you can't take all the blame on the immegrants.
To sum up, one could say that we do have a problem but it is not entirely the immigrants fault so before you blame a whole culture you should get your facts straight.

A normal immigration (Work based) is not the problem. The problem is that nations take shitloads of refugees that are poor, sick misfortunate or other things. And when you take these ppl and give them social support and special rights without any actual requirements and in the sametime ppl of own country is in deepshit with less support - Theres the problem that leads to "racism", unhappy ppl and less money to correct the problem. Its a slow way to death of a nation / civil war.

So if we as a nation can't benefit from them, let's leave them to rot.

eidt: And oh, the rest of your statement is of course also crap, but I just pointed out the most important part.

How come this problem doesn't exist countries that take very little refugees and have tougher immigration protocols where mostly just skilled workers or otherwise rich fucks get in?

Wrong. Or, if you mean that a country that doesn't accept immigrants don't have trouble that involves immigrants, then yeah. Brilliant logic huh?

Refugees, not immigrants as a whole. Learn the difference.

you do realize that we are talking about to of the richest nations in the world?


nah, reasons for racism go deeper than that. If there were no refugees people would just find a different reason why they dislike and or fear strangers.
If the muslims were all gone, the Christian africans or the Asians would be next. Or Russian immigrants.
If there are no foreigners around it will be the upper classes versus the lower classes. It's a never-ending story.


Imo, the only way that people will really start to accept strangers will be when they take the time to get to know and understand them. So they are not strangers anymore.
And of course solve problems that individuals have or cause. But an approach that judges a group and declares them to be different will really solve anything.

we need more lower vs upper class (wars)

so people can find someone else to blame?

no. people fighting for monetary equality will eventually (hopefully?) figure out that their fight is about equality in all parts of life. good thing.

Why should monetary equality even matter so much? What's the point of it?

Shouldn't it be about happiness?

main mantra of the left until not too long ago (or still, depending on your point of view).

"ponto, buback, schleyer - der nächste ist ein bayer", life would be so easy.

yeah, it's about happiness, but are you happy?

tough question so answer. But I don't think that is the important question. The question how to achieve more happiness.
For exmaple, that is why I believe Bill Gates is giving away billions. more happiness or satisfaction or whatever it should be called.

Many see money as a replacement, so they envy those who have more money.
They also think having power is a direct tool to achieve happiness, which again makes them dislike the higher classes or the lower classes for fearing they might take money or power away from them.
And I believe everyone feels that to some degree.

In the end, it is about how much you let the feeling alter your behaviour.

it will be hard to do a revolution with people feeling indifferent about what's going on. come on, you need to be angry, very angry.

atleast to some degree money equals happiness in this world. i wouldn't envy people, i envy their money and the priviliges that come with it.

off to play some ql (:

well, I can't say I am rich, at least for standards of the western world. but I do have more than enough money for what I need at the moment. So no, I am not angry at people for having more.

I do however dislike people who think they are just because of money and who think that they shouldn't care about the rest of the world and those poorer than them.

As one of the richest and most stable nations in the world I think Sweden has an obligation to accept refugees and look out for the poor and weak in the world.

SD tv advert is HILARIOUSLY BAD

SD isn't even right wing or far right. They're the same socialist garbage every other swedish party is. To call it far right is ridiculous. Do they want to dismantle the social security system? Do they want more liberal economy and free'er market? Do they want more individual liberty and less restrictions on being able to make contracts? Do they want smaller government or less taxes? No to all.

What they want is smart - stop accepting hard to integrate people indiscriminantly. No one is saying stop immigration as a whole. No one is saying don't let these educated people who are motivated to learn the language come in. The problem is refugees - not immigrants. Learn the difference.

ps. I wouldn't vote for SD, they're clowns like all the 5 or 7 socialist parties in sweden. PP is where it's at.

You seriously don't know what you're talking about. The reason SD don't "want" any of those things is that they're a one issue party (if that's what it's called) in disguise. Most people associate the way they look at people and consider other cultures a right wing thing, since that's what it's historically been like. But if you were looking to say that they aren't right wing ideologically, then sure, but who cares.

What you seem to be missing/lacking is that we as a relatively wealthy nation need to take care of other people. I guess you could say that that's my opinion, but if you don't agree with that, then you and I are just fundamentally different and this will probably go nowhere.

And SD pretty much states that they want to reduce all kinds of immigration (which you clearly had no clue about).

http://sverigedemokraterna.se/vara-asikter/in...k-program/

"I Sverige finns ett mycket stort antal människor som är helt eller delvis arbetsföra, men som saknar ett arbete att gå till. Arbetskraftsinvandring till Sverige behövs alltså inte och ska därför i princip inte förekomma."

Which in English means that they don't see people coming here to work as being a needed nor going to happen.

Cool huh, that actually having read what SD wants kinda makes you look like a complete fool?

And PP, wow. Sure, you're entitled to vote in whatever way you want, but you're not impressing anyone by defending one issue parties (which I still don't know if it's called, but you know what I mean).

Now, go read up on what they really want to and come back. That way you won't need to humiliate yourself further.

Rather vote a one issue party than any socialist scumbag perpetuating the madness.

350 thousand people in sweden, voted for a party with opinions that alienates foreigners, the rest 9 650 000 voted for parties that's against those kind of undemocratic parties. Don't worry, Sverigedemokraterna will be sent back to the cellarnaziconventions in 4 years. gg

As far as I could gather. Only 716 persons voted for my party, Klassiskt liberala partiet, feels bad man.

sieg på det min ariske broder

Have immigrants enriched Sweden?

in terms of crime and unemployment

\:D/

fuck politics

RESPECT THE PACO

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