I have wireless Pyra it has no prediction.
LOD havent tested it but it is low.

I have one, the lift off distance is small, I came from an IMO and had no problems.

Prediction, not sure, if its got it, it must be pretty weak.

Thanks for reply, could You make some tests for me? I mean test in paint for prediction and test of LOD on CDs thickness, how small is that mouse compared to the IMO 1.1? colud you make some photo?

Well in paint it doesn't seem to have prediction, won't just draw a straight line easily.

The sensor is fine, not sure what toop is talking about, maybe its because he has the wireless one, the sensor on my wired one is definately better than my IMO sensor in all regards.

The LOD is about 2.5 CDs, maybe a bit less.

Pics:
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/1559/1003236.jpg
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/4140/1003235d.jpg
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/4893/1003233.jpg

Thanks a lot for photos, could You post screens from paint with straight lines drawn by IMO and Pyra to compare?

I don't like Roccat they just another stereotypical 'gaming' company
that make shit over priced products.

Roccat kova and pyra has best shape who likes small mice.
Just their material they use is pretty cheap plastic.
They need to improve little more in sensors.

What do you mean "in sensors"?

then need to improve in matter of sensors

is this that hard to understand?

yeah sure, I know you're a smart guy, but what is wrong with sensor of roccat pyra?

I don't have an idea, just repeating what he said in care of your understanding.

I've understood him very clearly, but there are many aspects where sensor can fail, like prediction, skipping, jittering, etc.

go steal some shoes ffs

exactly none of these companies dont test their products.

I join the question: what did you mean by saying "they need to improve little more in sensors"?

end of discussion

???

He probably meant the position of sensor.

I don't find that a problem, not sure why its supposed to be a problem either, in fact the only test I've seen said that was the best position for a sensor.

Roccat Kova looks more interesting to me - has centered sensor. Did anyone try it? Does it have prediction/angle snapping?

Kova has the A3080 sensor (3200 CPI are only interpolated), so it has angle snapping, also it has a very high LOD.

And only 40ips, where Pyra has 130ips

And as we know the specs of that sensor don't mean much in real life, it can easily reach 3,5 - 4 m/s.

The official 130 IPS of the Pyra are btw on white paper.

130 inches = 3.3m :x

thx, without you I would never have known how much m/s 130 IPS are :D

I just wanted to point out on what those 130 IPS are based, the 40 IPS of the Kovas Sensor is based on various surfaces not simply on one where it performs (most likely) best. ;)

Hm. I thought prediction/angle snapping depends on mouse software(firmware, not drivers or something), not on sensor. Thanks anyway - high LOD isnt something i want.

It does, but usually the sensor manufacturer doesn't provide different firmwares with angle snapping on or off, in fact none does for the public.
For the DA and CH it's exclusive to Razer, the velocity based angle snapping on the G9x/G500, which is afaik a sensor feature, is exclusive to Logitech.

the most retarded shape ever

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1841857

hah i made nearly the same cutting the side LED parts which sticked out after a day of usage, didnt rly help tho and i've put the mouse away on the 2nd day anyway :(
started making the mod back then (putting it's hardware into wmo, it fits in nearly perfectly) but it's still lying somewhere unfinished eventhough the only thing left is soldering the cable which teared off

actually it does.

you might wanna clean that up

yep, did the same :)

my dick is soo hard ...





OH WAIT wrong topic :/

Ok I explain what I mean.
LOD is low and no prediction.
Material cheap plastic. Side buttons feels flimsy worse ime3.0
Sensor ok I cant get 1000hz coz I have wireless Pyra. Very unstable polling rate and cant tweak to 500hz with anything. With wired pyra you might able to tweak it.

Sensor is not consistent for example if you use Pyra @ 400 dpi sensitivity 4 in game and if you want to change it to 800 dpi and sensitivity 2 which doesn't feel same. It gets worse on 1600 dpi.
Maybe my mouse is wireless. Wired will track better imo. Give a go if you dont want prediction in mouse.

Shape is very good small light weight. Just need better software/firmware to tweak above things.

Shouldn't be a big problem as long as the 400, 800 or whatever CPI are consitent itself, just adjust your sensitivity.

so i bought it, there is no prediction, stright lines are as hard to draw as with my WMO 1.1A, it doesnt have negative accel which was noticeable in WMO, and LOD i lower than 2CD's, i'm using SS QCK. rubbers on sides are very helpful even when hand is a little sweated and i have stable 1000hz polling rate without any programs.

I am sure you will love the shape.
I did too but material is too cheap plastic + my wireless sucks.
Side buttons are flimsy.
Can you run hidusbf and see if you can tweak polling rate @500hz.
And GL with your mouse.

I would give it a try but off-center sensor position just doesn't work for me.

Hopefully a friend of mine can bring me a mouse with the same sensor from Japan.

PS: That reminds me that he should also look for Artisan mouse pads for me. :D

Drtcm 15?

DRM26

http://www.dharmapoint.com/products/DRM26

The DRTCM15 has the A9500.

hey I have a broken mice which lights up and stuff (so I think the connection between the mouse and the computer is not damaged), registers click but won't move. what could be broken, the sensor? how can a sensor break?

also, if i.e. the left button doesn't register click, is it possible to replace the microswitch of it? same goes for the side buttons.

just because the sensor isn't mechanical doesn't mean it can't break ;)

ofc, if click doesn't work because of a broken switch you can replace it

but how can a sensor break? and what do you think is broken? (tell me the possibilities)

and how difficult is it to replace the microswitch? I've seen the insides of mice several times. the microswitches are mounted on the plate (or w/e you call it) - how can one replace them?

it's a CMOS sensor with an integrated DSP, a small high tech component, don't ask me what exactly can break and why
ofc it could also be a MCU problem or somethin else

the switches are usually soldered onto the PCB with 3 pins, should be a very easy soldering job

you still leave me with my last question. what could be broken? h8m3 said that the usb cable might be broken anyway, what other possibilities are there?

I was wrong, there is some of prediction, and mouse jitters a little.

I'm returning mine.

Yes it does have prediction (maybe not alot) and tracking isn't great.

A shame really cos the shape was actually pretty fine even though I'm coming from a MX518. Side buttons were impossible to use though.

I tried tweaking the usb polling rate but I was stuck at 1000 (couldn't even get 125).
On my e8400 @ 3.6ghz that's 10-15% cpu usage... Totally gay when I play some recent cpu intensive game or when I want to use it on my 1.6ghz mono core laptop (imagine the cpu usage there).

Also it did something nasty to my windows mouse drivers and now when I use the mousemovementrecorder.exe I get loads of red lines (never did before), and my mx518 also feels strange.

I did install the Roccat drivers because I thought I could get the mouse polling rate to 125hz from there and also assign m4 and 5 to something (they did nothing at all otherwise).
I tried everything but no luck, I'm reinstalling windows soon anyway since I'm getting a new HDD so it's not the end of the world but still...

>On my e8400 @ 3.6ghz that's 10-15% cpu usage

I wonder why.That's 3600000 khz of instruction cycles, a task of 1 khz uses that much...maybe USB is at fault. according to intel's commercial that indian guy designed usb, figures, the design is crap now the implementation might be crap as well heh

I dunno, but I had read about it before on other websites.
At 125 or 500hz I could never really notice the cpu usage (task manager open, absolutely everything else off: simply moving the mouse around pretty quickly). Oh, and I should mention that the mouse is the only USB thing on my rig, keyboard is ps/2 etc.

Maybe some motherboards have an integrated controller than can mitigate the problem (certainly not the cheap ones that I've had over the years), but I'm not sure, I think most people just don't bother doing the test.
Hardly any games use 100% of multi core cpus anyway, so for a lot of people I guess it probably doesn't matter.

Still, 1000hz is overkill IMO, and you should never ever be forced to use it. 250-500hz is more than enough and even that should be left to personal preference.

Anyway, I will never recommend this mouse :P

btw. I'm not hatin' on indians but the retarded intel commercial of how usb is so great, maybe that wasn't clear