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oh great, been a while since i've seen cypher play. you should major this!

Finally some non American demos.

finally some demos of skilled players*

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ye

ohh yes!!

winners final:
The level of play on aero was just remarkable...After the first several Cypher frags, I thought he would just keep rolling, but Amai somehow kept the Cypher monster on a short leash for a good five mins of dazzling shotmaking, footwork and sixth-sense predicts.

Not seeing anybody on either side of the Atlantic incorporate rj's into their overall strat like Cypher does on both t4&aero.

Is it just me, or did cypher kinda half-ass his game a little bit? I mean that has got to be the calmest play i have ever seen, not a shred of surprise, suspense, or fear from Cypher at all. He looked like he was
toying with Amai the whole time.

Lots of times he picked fights with 50 health against a fully stacked Amai and still came out on top. I feel sorry for Amai at t4, Cypher was freakin everywhere. Always knowing what his opponent was doing. Always in control.

without watching the demo... sounds a lot like cypher

yeah, i'd got exactly the same thoughts. cypher just knew he's head above of amai, no offense to last.

The level of play on aero was just remarkable

no, it was cypher toying around

Amai is sick good, i can easily see him breaking through into the top tier QL duelling scene.

yeah, it sux that on major lan events all CIS countries are only represented by Cooller and Cypher, i'd really would like to see someone else like Amai or Agent. Maybe they arent top4 world like the ones previously mentioned, but im pretty sure they can perform really well.
I like new IEM qualifiers system though, hopefully Nitrino and Cny will show some decent perfomance and try to break through into finals

Yeah man. There are SO many good players in that region it's hard to believe it's being represented so poorly. One thing that didn't change form the good old Q3 days.. :/ And it doubly sucks because i honestly believe there are many players there with the capability to shake up the current status quo.

One can only hope it's gonna change for the better, the more good players at the top the better, after all. :)

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only good player in russia is agent atm (from unknowns let's say). There is some more mid (looking in top level) players, but need hard practise. If they don't stand a chance online, there is no way, they can do lot better in lan. Agent plays nice, so I thin, he can be good in lan.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1635415

Seems that Amai not interested in any kind of international competition...

That's a damn shame. He has so much potential. :(

;*(

it seems not interested cause of bad internet in belarus.

what a ridiculous railgun!

no kidding...assuming you mean Amai's rg -- and speaking of that, on t4 grand final, very smart of Cypher to deny Amai rg most of match(a strat few can maintain). Just some sick high-level t4 play -- and whenever Amai got rg, Cypher had to either go conservative or do his crazy rj sneak-strat attacks.

Grand Final highlites:
- dm13 match -- great rox angles but forfeit cut the fun short.
- aero -- some ANNOYINGLY accurate Amai slugs made Cypher almost stop, assess his 0 frags, then regroup/crank up his skillz to another level. And somehow he noticeably turned up his strat and "shot-fu"(my term for movement-based shotmaking) from his previous aero with Amai to turn in the swankiest aero demo I've seen posted here.

yeah, I really don't think anyone is on Cypher's level anymore

agreed..and I think these two Aero demos show how Cypher would shut down a rg-intensive opponent like, say Kilsen on aerowalk -- with an onslaught of rocket splash one after the other pushing him around the map, forcing him to make rushed, inaccurate rails.

that t4 was beautiful

map can be srsly fun in small doses

Cypher - most powerful quake player ever. (Q3, QL at least)

I think the main strength (or at least one of them) of Cypher is the ability to do damage without taking any.

It's like a fucking ninja sometimes. Just chipping away at his opponent's health and armor without taking any return damage and doing it after they've picked up armors so they can't replenish quickly. It's such a great play that's really hard to do

yeah i love to watch how he fights in corridors where usually both opponents take much dmg he somehow allways manages to ninja out of there eventually fragging the opponent with a flick rail

pure talent + lots of hours spent practicing = beast

everyone can argue that rapha won this or that, killsen, cooller, whatever else but one have to be blind to not admit cypher is the best quake player ever and i dont see anyone who can reach his level

he loves fights and allways looks for them no matter the game type he play and this makes him the most enjoyable to watch player ever

we all know his briliant rockets but cypher shoots great with every weapon

he has better rockets than anyone, rail as good (if not better) than killsens, shafts as good (if not better cos he doesnt zoom=> extra dodging) than strenx, plasma as good as aveks and those crazy nades recently..... WOW

he can loose a tournament but everyone knows u cant judge players skill by the number of tournaments he won (take fatality....)

He has the greatest combat skills I have ever seen. When i am watching his games i think there is still more potential. I would say the current cypher is like 75% of cypher when he has been playing in 2008. In some interview he said he had better shape and bigger self-confidence then cause of many hours of playing before tournaments. He is still a agressive player but he was much more then. Sometimes I wonder why he is not trying to press more on his opponents now and yea the answer is probably his self-confidence like he said. Sometimes I also wonder how he would be playing with timelimit 15? More time, more riskly moves, more agression?

Agreed. Also, his ability to aim and move and use the Quake physics is so good, it's like an art form to him and to watch. At his peak he is without at doubt the strongest Quake player ever.

Too bad the last time we saw cypher's "peak" was back in 2008.
It's scary to think how he would play today if he kept using wmo, people dosen't realize that cypher was actually better then he is today just because of his superior aim back then.

Exactly

has nothing to do with wmo, has all to do with training

bullshit. even if cypher practiced 100% more then in 2008 ( and i'm pretty sure that he practiced more in QL then in Q3 due to more competition ) he still coulden't reach his aim level with the wmo.

It's simply a worse mouse and you can't overcome the ergonomics of your equipment with practice, and i'm getting tierd of people who dosen't know shit but keep saying that.

uhh yeah, what you are saying is based exclusively on your fantasy so it isn't even a real argument.

It's based on my own experience with tons of gaming mouses. It's based on the simple fact that the best aimers today and in the history of quake were all using either the wmo ( toxjc, cypher, fox, jibo and more ) or ime3.0 ( stermy, z4muz, linkje and more ). It's based on the fact that rapha wasn't able to win anything because of his weak aim untill he switched from MX518 to wmo, it's based on my own eyes that sees how cypher aims today compared to 2008.

so who's argument is a fantasy? O_o

no, those are not facts you idiot, those are made up by you. rapha would own no matter what (gaming-like) mouse. btw. I'm completely confident I know more about mice then you do. get an account and we can compare e-penis sizes rofl

I never said that rapha owns only because he switched to wmo, obviously the slight aim difference by itself won't make him a much better player, but it CAN give him the edge over other top players, and a better aim does make you a better player after all and in those levels it can and usually does make the difference.

cypher had this edge over other players with the wmo and when he switched to razer ( both DA and then abyssus ) he lost some of it. he still aims better then 90% of the players but it's far from what he used to be.

wmo being a better mouse then abyssus is a fact, the mouse is what defines how good you CAN aim, your natural talent/settings/gear is what defines how good you actually aim. player like cypher will aim good with any mouse but the level he can reach is much higher with wmo then DA/abyssus for example.

I really dunno why i'm even arguing about that. everyone who saw cypher demos from 2008 knows that he aimed better back then, everyone knows that cypher would never switch over wmo unless razer maked him.

rapha won masters of athens with the mx518

edit: ql also has smaller hitboxes compared to q3

First of all
ql=!q3

It's based on my own experience with tons of gaming mouses.

nc :D, based on my own experiences the earth is flat like a pizza :x

so who's argument is a fantasy? O_o

Yours, because you don't have any valid arguement to prove any of your so called "theses".

Cypher himself once said in an interview that he wasn't that comfortable with deathadder but he really likes the abyssus. He said that he didn't practice that much as he used to in q3 and hence his ingame confidence weakened. Trust me if you lose vs a guy serveral times and you don't know why you can't blame it on the mouse :x

and i'm pretty sure that he practiced more in QL then in Q3 due to more competition

yeah cypher is a liar :D
You have no clue at all and are deluded by q3 hitboxes -_-

The anonymous guy has right in some way. Cypher has been playing on wmo couple of years and someday he heard that he had to play on razer stuff (Avek confirmed it, I asked him), his self-confidence ingame droped down and he started to change his cfg very often - why? It seems that he cant find the right feeling that he had with wmo (its my theory). The confirmation of my words can be his latest cfg - the most similar to his cpma/vq3 one. Even if he said in some interview that abyssus is a great mouse (what else would he have to say?) I bet if he could a chance he would back to the wmo for sure, to the one that he was so much used to - its logical. Take a look on his last matches with wmo in quakelive (probably it was quakecon 2009), he played there so much agressive and faster than he plays now. He took there 3rd place but then were not russian servers yet and I would say it was his one of first steps in ql even if he won quakecon 2008 :D

Btw its sad that this great player became a guinea pig for razer

nah it's not sad or anything, serious gaming made his pro gaming dream possible so he got to use the sponsor's hardware I think this deal is nice. I only pity those who have to use the kinzu out of sponsoring agreements, that mouse is the worst piece of crap. abyssus is actually pretty decent and you never see cypher's aim spazz up or jitter.

I think the cypher of 2008 has nothing on cypher of 2010, actually these demos prove it more than anything

Take a look on his last matches with wmo in quakelive (probably it was quakecon 2009), he played there so much agressive and faster than he plays now.

everyone's aim was better back then with those hitboxes :D

I used WMO 1.1a for about 6-7 years and LOVED it. I bought a Death Adder 3500 in september just out of boredom. I now use the Death Adder rather than the 1.1a. The sensor in the Adder as far superior to the 1.1a if you ask me. I use the claw grip with a low-mid sens and low accel. The WMO 1.1a was much better to hold, the sensor "seemed" fine and never let me down and I liked the light weight. The Adder is a tad more orkward to hold (claw grip style) and the thing is much more solid and weighty but the sensor is amazing to use. I never thought I would say this but I do prefer it over the WMO 1.1a. I just wish Razor would've made the righthand side of the mouse the same shape as the left and why on earth would they choose to fit that perfectly smooth band of plastic round the bottom thats slippy as hell when your hands produce the slightest bit of sweat. Two such annoying cons to the Adder because the build quality, feel and glide and the sensor are pretty much perfect and what you'd expect from a gaming focused mouse.

it's a cypher's fanclub or what..?)
get some demos by unkind..)))

better to log in and discuss an extraordinary player's various skills than anonymously log in to simply belittle the discussion.

could someone put these on utube?

They are.

http://www.youtube.com/user/SeriousQuakeLive

sweet thanks

http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&id=1492656

wtf guys, get out of cyphers ass. he didnt play serious and although hitting cool shots left and right, this is not a high level duel and we have seen so much better stuff from him

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1604757

:D

or one of the last fox -vs- cypher games (IEM euro or finals?)

dm13
poor poor fox i thought

You mean that game when fox said "aim wins" ?:D

that aerowalk game was cranked up to 11 till 6 min mark.

Wtf was cypher doing during dm13? Too bad he didn't try to win it.
Absolutely great play, but wondering how many of those moves he would actually use during a LAN game vs rapha/cooller/etc.
It was pretty obvious he was just toying with Amai during the overall final.

thats exactly his only problem = he would not use none cos:
a) of course u cant toy around with rapha
b) somehow cypher beein the best quaker ever doesnt feel like he is that good and facing good opponents he loose all of his confidence

when he does not its gg cos no one can compete vs this aim/movement/speed/knowledge/talent etc etc

"b) somehow cypher beein the best quaker ever doesnt feel like he is that good and facing good opponents he loose all of his confidence"

wow that could only mean that he's the best player ever. moron.

nigga what?

him losing aginst good players could only mean that he's the best player ever. logically.

beein good at something and winning tournaments re two different things

how the fuck is that even possible?

I see the same thing from rapha. He plays plenty of online games lackadaisically, but often winning anyways.

I think some of these players only play their best when a mountain of pressure is on them.

you dont say. of course you play better when there is more at stake!

I'm convince its quite the other way around. Stakes induces stress and stress can easily ruins one's focus. Of course, at a small dose, stress can also maintain focus but we are talking about high doses here.

In fact, I also believe there is many many cyphers and raphas on the web, maybe one of you has been a "cypher" for a game only, hitting everything, thinking 5 steps ahead etc, but those pros, what makes them pros is that they're able to do this on a stage with thousands peeps watching, thousands $ at stake and on a regular basis.

remind me plz two his first big lan in q3
and gimme links to his demopack

thx

eswc masters 08, eswc grand final 08. find the demos yourself :))

ok here you go:
http://cyberfight.org/site/demos/27417/
http://cyberfight.org/site/demos/search/?game...nd%20Final