TDM.

CTF.

CA.

The thing with CA is that to watch it's a bit meh.

The point I'm getting at, is most top competitive games have an active team competition to it. Whether we like it or not, FPS deathmatch is kinda dying and most people tend to prefer team-based multiplayer games. I say that because on a PC, people tend to prefer playing WITH their friends then against their friends. Consoles etc are different because when you're playing against your friends, you can punch them if they get cocky since you're usually in the same room. With a PC, you don't get that opportunity (lolQuakeLiveLAN)


Anyway, that's a bit side-tracked and not really relevant. What I'm saying is that popular FPS titles have a strong team-based competition side to them. I'm talking about COD, CS, TF2 etc. They've all got team games being streamed frequently.

So what team-based game represents QuakeLive? I think that for a team-based game, it needs an objective. Just killing as much as you can is a bit meh (which is why I think CA wouldn't really work). TDM is all about the frags, but it still has objectives like powerups or holding areas (RA etc). That's why that works from a tactical interesting point of view. CTF has a strong objective - a flag.

In my opinion, to watch, they all have different strengths:
- CTF is more exciting to watch due to the faster gameplay and constant action. (think Stermy at Quakecon vs EG on troubled waters at the end. Holy poopnuggets.)
- TDM is more tactical and interesting to watch due to the areas to control and powerups
- CA is interesting due to once a player dies, he can no-longer contribute which means a dynamic similar to COD/CS etc. It however has no real objective and dynamics can get a bit boring (get higher ground, LG battle. all dead. rinse repeat. There's not much tactical analysis)


In an ideal world, I would say that teams just practice TDM and CTF (much like fnatic) and compete in both. I'd say big teams would be more inclined to pick up a team that could do various different modes and could enter more leagues/competitions/whatever





TL;DR - Sorry I replied to you with the post but I was gonna edit it into the first post but realized it probably wouldn't fit and wouldn't really be with the rest of the OP. Your post just happened to be high up :D

Yeah, I was kinda joking. Watching any FPS as a team game is a bit messy in my opinion. Duel is the only game type where you can actually know exactly whats happening, unless we can start to spec via 4 player split screen.

Yeah I thought you were joking but it was just a decent opening :D

- add COOLLER

TDM and CTF are equally good.

But ppl apparently love CA more... This is good for some aim training but not anymore

- Add one TDM and one CTF team (unrealistic, nobody would)
k1ck did.

Dunno how their roster works, but do they actually have paid contracts?

nope

There's your reason then.

I'm talking about teams that would actually fund their squad to go to LAN events.

k1ck would go to any european event if there was one, only one that involved ctf/tdm recently was quakecon, and that's too damn far x;

quakelive has lan events?!?

TDM with 3 or more teams in a game was fun with UT99 :D

TDMFFA? :D

My vote for most commercial and most likely to bring in players unrelated to the game goes to CTF. It's the easiest to understand, watch and I feel the level of teamplay required is a bit more than TDM.

Plus you have more 'OOOOOMG can they pull it off' moments in CTF than in TDM. Remember stermy's flagrun at Quakecon? *trollface*

Tru dat.

whats the point?

ctf should be the main teamplay mod for quake,
I myself have always been a dm player, but in a way I have always been a dm player because ctf was mainly played by n00bs and my teammates didn't like ctf and not a single good duel/dm player liked ctf ... but I actually think that ctf is a better teammod, you know where is a little more to do than just getting more frags than the other team ... I also think that ctf would be much more successful regarding streaming games and getting more spectatorviews ... but of course all this only possible, if ctf was not a sidemod for teamplay, but the main mod where starplayers from duel competitions etc. participate ... but well ... won't happen ... just like so many things in quake ... :-)

most of the time i like your threads, this time you're all over the place.

esport teams are interested in competition and money, both only really exist in duel. you make it sound like these teams had a meta plan when they picked up those players, i seriously doubt this was the case.

every one of those teams would love to have rapha, cypher and cooller for duel and ignore the team games because right now duel counts.

yes, linkin is a god in ctf but did he join fnatic for ctf? do you really think there's even one player out there getting payed to play tdm or ctf?

Oh hadn't linking been godlike at CTF\TDM he wouldn't be in fnatic, for sure. Just look where players of similar skill level in Duel end up ;)

i doubt it, when he joined fnatic he was pretty serious about duel and improved a lot in short time. at some point later he gave up on duel though :p

Deus?

picked up as a dueler in q4? i might be wrong and they picked him up for quakecon ctf which is still saying a lot about the current state of team games.

True but the point is that Deus and Linkje both don't play duel at the moment. They're only really for CTF/TDM which is why I said in the original post that fnatic just take duel players who can also play TDM/CTF

what tdm/ctf comps did fnatic finish as a team? you see them playing ctf somewhere? on the contrary: in which teams do deus and linkin play tdm/ctf this season? :p

not trying to hate but i'm pretty sure the big teams don't give a shit about anything but duel.

Don't think you got what I was going for with this thread :p

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1989251#pid1989251


I mean that in general, most popular FPS games have a strong team-element to them, and it would be cool if teams picked up TDM/CTF teams. ESL are starting TDM now right? There's a few other competitions going on but it just needs a kick up the ass with activity. It's all about selling yaself :D

I doubt deus was taken up for his 'potential' to duel. He is just there to complete a team of 4 to compete in any other tournament like Quakecon 4v4 CTF or something relevant that comes with a good prize purse.

Fnatic is probably one of the few organizations who care (even if the caring is meh) to add 2 more players to their duel lineup to compete in team tourneys IF they happen to appear.

For example I am pretty sure that tournaments like ESL TDM or anything else with small prize purses are NOT forced by the fnatic organization for them to participate. With their lineup they have a good chance to earn 150 euro each for playing 1 game each week (or 2 weeks). If they lose they wouldn't care and so doesn't fnatic :p

But they are using link1n as the camera guy, at least so it seems, to take pictures of events which fnatic teams participate in. Which is a good alternative use of players for their salaries (even if they are really small).

To conclude it is obvious that Quake Live team games are in current state worthless for esport teams to pick up teams. It would only be to throw a name around, but not to let them participate in anything they couldn't if they didn't have a esports organization. It is not that Reason gaming loses money by recruiting a whole TDM team. Same with YoYotech recruiting us (broken) as a CTF/TDM team, they would only pay calipt (took mass crying to give him some support for dreamhack back then), because sending 4 players (4000 euro) of which 3 are worthless in duel to Quakecon is pointless and doesn't give direct profit at all.

But most organizations are only losing money, unless a big ass sponsor like MSI or Intel gives them budgets of money and in return get all rights to use any footage provided by, for and around the player. Which is pretty similar to hiring models, actors and stuff by famous brands to work up their image. Quake Live just has too few 'consumers' for these big computer related brands for them to invest (trough esport teams) on recruiting complete teams. Unlike CS and Call of Duty, which are played by the average joe (+ big community) and thus more susceptible on buying stuff related to the few sponsored teams they know.

ctf

OMG he said 4v4 ctf. so awesome :D related to the question of the thread: CTF (from someone who has years of TDM experience)

but in ctf you need like 1000 maps to determin sensible champion.....