ps. the ladder you see there is in fact already dynamic, all it requires is the mechanics when people win or lose.

I was going to just make it a standard ladder where you can play the guy above you, and if you win you go up, but I had that idea in mind because of the low amount of players in SA. For esr what might be is a ELO rating, where you can challenge the top 5 people above you.

Looks like a lot of work is mostly done. Good job.

Style : I wouldn't put 2 much effort into this until everything else is done.

A Feature I would like: The ability to create your own league. For example, I could start a ZTN only duel league, it would have a start date and a sign up form. It would then run to a conclusion date the creater set. (it would require a minimum number of sign ups to begin).

Obviously this would create a huge amount of leagues, but I'd imagine they would be seperated from the main "overall" ones.

A good idea, but not required to go live. I'll regulate it to phase 2.

With regards to the ladder mechanics, It would be best to look at other ladders like SC etc and see what you think will work best for QL.

I'm sure people on esr will have some ideas of what they like anyway.

http://www.google.at/images?q=Pyramid%20tourn...mp;bih=965

for a limited amount of participants

Moved to Quakelive forum.

Made sticky so this gets some attention and doesn't disappear. I hope that's ok with you boss?

Oh come on

I'm not sure why it should be sticky. Is he your buddy or something?

Nobody can actually test it, it's only a project so far...

Also, why is he even using the ESR name ?

oh you sourpuss you!

It should be sticky because it's of interest to the esr/ql community, I think it would be a shame for this not to get feedback.

If it goes against this high moral code you seem to have invented, remove it.

k done

dick :)

something you might enjoy getting?

If i put 'you're a .." you would nuke it.

I stopped deleting/nuking admins' posts a while ago, that's plain useless... Also that's probably informative and fun for the users to see the nice ambiance between admins and their sweet rhetoric while discussing

If you must know, I regret saying anything now because you probably wouldn't of unsticked it had I not said anything.

Sorry tbone :|

Well it was meant to be for the use of the esr community, as a continuation of the esr league.

However, you are probably right, so I propose that it is named "We meat again". Which goes well with the aspect of duel.

well, the day your project is advanced enough and you need people to sign up, use it and give some feed back, I'd be glad to sticky a post in the forum about it myself.

But I guess a major news on front page might get you more feedback

not sure about features, but i would like everything to run a leagues, dotn really care about ladders, although its still nice...

one thing i miss so often, an e-mail reminder so ppl get poked about outstanding matches

will there be any 1on1 (or 2on2) CA ladder ?

hahahhahahahahaha

how dare you put yourself above cooller!

nice work tho

nice :)

Yet another guy doing id's job for them. Then again they're probably hard at work creating a dozen more useless cvars.

putting yourself above Cooller is very brave!

stupidity is what we call wrongly motivated bravery around here

i think he's better than cooller.

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Features (what I think would be nice, not necessary per se):
- Uploading demos from matches (improve your own game by watching other players POV)
- Advanced statistics (getting stats from quakelive.com match info, at the end of the tournament seeing your overall stats)

Leagues
- Duel Tag Tournament

Hey thats a great idea and good work

I agree with six16 to implement single map leagues cos we all here work/study and dont have that much time for quake to practice all the maps while we still want to participate to keep the game alive

As im currently a ztn fanatic id love to see a specific ladder for it

he could do single map ladders for all popular maps, that would be something interesting idd

Would be nice to see whos the dm6 boss too hehe strenx would alias the shit out of the whole esr for teh lulz

#1 dm6isalllg
#2 whatever
#3 whatever

can help with graphics

Then do. Just create an ESR type logo, and maybe a "challenge" button. I can't really see what else I would need.

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okidoki

good stuff, tbone, keep it up! this is a confession of fail for id. the community pays but it needs to take care of simple things like that anyway...

I've been wanting this kinda thing for so long now !!

My suggestions are that you get rankings for TDM, CTF, CA and DUEL.

But I'd also like that each teammode has a players ranking alongside the teams rankings, because it will not represent much at all considering the differenrt teams in different leagues, etc. (eg, spartie plays for fnatic in EMS and for TA in every other leagues).

Each player in the database should be linked only once if you see what I mean. Because then in the end, you can have an 'overall best QL players' based on their different rankings in each gamemode. I think for this to work, it needs to be ponderated with something as follow:

Order of importance (people can suggest other things, just an example):

- Duel 50%
- TDM 25%
- CTF 20%
- CA 5%

Also, you will probably need to start somewhere. You should select a few top players from each mode, league admins (used to seedings, etc), all kind of coverage people (disrepute, nvc..) that will at first select a significant number of players they find good enough to figure in the rankings (unless you do some kind of linked stats system with the quakelive site, i have no idea...) coupled with a public vote on the website. We could imagine that every now and then (2weeks ?) the judges and the public can revote and rework on the ladder..



Something like that would be awesome imo, dno what you think ?

EDIT: after reading calmly your site suggestion, I think I might be slightly off topic there... But these ideas remain, not exactly a ladder but a ranking system I'm talking about ;)

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i think this thread is going to quickly become more about what people want out of a ql ladder system from id than what was originally intended.

Your post is the only one off topic.

League part is okay anything you do. You can automate the time frame of leagues which can then have sups and sponsors or anything.

I think the main problem is the ladder. People arranging matches on the ladder requires a lot of work for bunch of guys playing for fun or on a lower level of competitive play.
Matches get fudged by not answering challenges, not noticing messages and lot's of stuff like that.

What you need is some sort of instant match making. Now that could be soled by implementing a irc channel into the site as a plug in or using a jscript plugin for a chat.

You see how many people are logged on the site, you find someone that is in your rank or pick randomly to get your ass whooped and click challenge:
-lighbox form appears and you have to give a server url and choose a gametype or ladder and time of the match within the hour.
-notification of challenge appears to the other player and he click approve which redirects to the match url

This way the ladder doesn't depend on your social life and real life obligations. You can get challenged only while you're logged on to the ladder. If you avoid the ladder you'll stagnate and won't progress.

Clanwars and scrims could have the same system implemented but with clan leader challenging and clan leader approving of the challenge. Then it's their responsibility to give match url to other clan mates.

Another thing to consider is stream checkbox which would notify people logged on as streamers that a match is scheduled so they can prepare and be notified automatically of the match

Very nice idea.

Where's the love <+

UPDATE: Nearly completed news and commenting system which works similar to esreality.

What do you develop with?
php - js(jquery,dojo) - html , or maybe alternatives?

I use the web2py framework, which is basically js, python, html, sql.

ok, i might be a bit offtopic there, but pls, if you're still working on this project, could you please implement some 1on1 CA ladder with this mappool :
- thunderstruck
- hellsgateredux
- hearth
- evolution
- somewhatdamaged

cuz i'm starting to get sick of cups/clanbase/esl/ladders with only 2on2 CA, and... on maps like campgrounds (lol csgrounds lol), almostlost (even worst than campgrounds for CA... :/ ), hellsgate (lol random void lol, let's play dm17 instead ? Wrong place > void). And tbh 1on1 CA can be more interesting than most people think, especially on the mappool i'm suggesting above.

And tbh 1on1 CA can be more interesting than most people think, especially on the mappool i'm suggesting above.






ahahah :D 1on1 ca, cmon

you can play me on thunder any day.

add me as ql friend then

what is ql?

who are you ?

a tourist ?

a nobody ?

I don't pay for unfinished games. go play me on proper thunder or go eat frogs. it's same to me.

proper thunder is on ql now.

ra3 weapon balance + netcode is meh

thats a shame you're not using django, me and brandan spent a few days on rewriting esr (dev dot esreality.com) using same database for backwards compatibility.
there is a lot of work left, obviously. the sad (for esr) part is that web2py kind of sucks and your site cant be integrated with the current user DB. so i guess we'll write the ladders from scratch, as planned. so, please, don't call it 'esr league'
we do have a git repo, and I can give you access to the server if you want to contribute

If I knew anything was planned I wouldn't have bothered. Whats the timescale for this? However the main thing was meant to be for community leagues.

Also I don't care about ESR affiliation, it was meant for the ESR community, nothing else.

its a great thing you bothered, as you should have, just in a more compatible way.
no timescales, when we have time...

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because its the best tool for the job

what else?

why not django?

I personally started something like 6 month ago developing in django and it's a treat. I have yet to get proficient with python but even with low tier python knowledge you can produce some pretty radical and big stuff without choking on the code.

Yeah I also hoped you did py and django, then maybe I could take the time to help you develop something and not just stay at my ladder proposal.

I'll look into web2py but really can't promise to bother since I'm already spending time on django as is.

dont bother with web2py, its what would happen if php raped python

i think you replied to wrong post coz i can only agree with you. ive been using django for years and its fast to develop project. and its python. what else would you want anyway.

also, i agree with Demiurge regarding web2py.

yeah misunderstood the question.
Thought you meant what else is good about django, instead what else would be used except django :)

gg

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