It’s like I was saying in that talk, I don’t necessarily like to approach it from that question “Is the player having fun or not,” because I’m usually talking to designers at these lectures. I go at it from the designer’s side and I ask “Are you trying to take advantage of your players and exploit them? Or are you trying to give them something?”

So, if you play Super Meat Boy for example, it’s a lot like an old-school platformer, but it’s refined. That game could have been made in the early nineties technically, but the design sensibility is very modern. So, it’s a product of modern design ideas.

That happened to all the genres, but it never quite happened in adventure games. T

PC Gamer: You said in a recent lecture that your goal is to make games that “speak to the human condition.” If Braid did that in terms of Time and Memory – in terms of those themes – in what way do you hope The Witness does that?

Jonathan Blow: Well, Braid isn’t about Time and Memory or anything like that.