http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M

First in this one too.

2nd

Pretty surreal. It's a good thing we managed to finally get him however, it feels like a hollow victory given everything that spawned from 9/11...

i've been thinking about this for the last hour or so but i can't make sense of it. somebody explain this to me: everybody is like "osama is dead!!" without really having any proof other than a speech by the president. yet the same people have been questioning his citizenship for years even though there has been proof... i don't get it.

'cause it probably is true and if they talk shit about this they know it's political suicide

Whatever happened to Habeas Corpus? I guess that doesn't mean anything nowadays, but why not produce the corpse..?

Seems very strange to me that they claim to have killed the guy but then immediately bury him at sea "in accordance with Muslim tradition".

Really? Since when has the US government ever given a damn about Muslim tradition? 10 years, 1.2 trillion dollars, and the death toll at almost 1 million (most of which being Muslims), and finally, when the most wanted man in the world is killed, they don't produce the body because they suddenly care about Muslim tradition.. Riiiiiiiight.

Reminds me of: "Saddam Hussein has Weapons of Mass Destruction. We must invade Iraq!"

If you can't produce the corpse, then your claim is baseless and invalid. GT USA.

The reason they didn't produce the body is because the last thing they need is to incite more terrorism by parading his body around since he is still somewhat popular in the arab world.

I would have liked to see his body for myself but I understand there are very good reasons for not doing that.

Keep swallowing buddy.

Keep the tin hat on buddy.

but wait! that's what I was accusing you of :(

public safety is the greater good... besides, we live in times where dna matching can be used, why go through the trouble of having to present a body in a case like that.

So the past ten years of the US occupying the middle east; killing thousands and ruining lives isn't enough to provoke terrorist attacks, but holding onto a body for an extra day or two in order to conduct proper confirmations is?

Btw, a sample of DNA can be gotten any number of ways - a single strand of hair, a toe/finger nail, an old bandaid, etc. Just because they claim to have a DNA sample doesn't mean anything.

Produce the corpse please.

i was referring to the english common law because i was under the impression that you were too, what you base your "habeas corpus" line on then?

The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

you could argue the unless... part of course, but tbh with killing osama there's no reason to produce anything because obviously there will be no trial and there was never going to be (whole reason to kill him instead of capturing him alive), the guy openly claimed to be the head of multiple attacks on us citizens, which atleast in part took place on us soil.

"Seems very strange to me that they claim to have killed the guy but then immediately bury him at sea "in accordance with Muslim tradition"."
it was a hero funeral that's why: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjcsFPiQq94

doubt he's really dead, doesn't matter much anyway

OBAMA killed OSAMA anyone notice the difference? --> (BS)

First victim of the PSN address leak.

credit where it's due: https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/64883616496361472

Oh my god, haven't laughed this much for years...

For some, the day America got Bin Laden was the most important day of their lives. But for M. Bison - it was Sunday.

I wish people would stop regurgitating stuff they found on reddit. :<

I wish redditors would stop regurgitating stuff they found on 4chan. :<

i had to look up word used by decay in dictionary. what is this, bizarro world?

doesnt look shopped at all.

at all.

at least wait for the pic for fucks sake skint!!!!

didnt this post originally have a link to a site showing it as fake?

nope, just attached an image, still not approved

nuke imo

you really think the bastards are gonna nuke us?

That's an old pic.. They haven't released anything this time.

Reminds me of house of the dead 2 Zombie.
http://loot-ninja.com/wp-content/uploads/2007...od2_03.jpg

*EDIT*
Those pics ARE FAKE btw, no pics have been released as of yet.

That image is on al jezera, someone has trolled well if its a fake.

it's both old and fake.

2009 actually

Great speech from Obama and this will secure his presidency.
Very through and well thought out.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42852700/ns/world...tral_asia/

Awesome news, royal wedding and the death of Osama bin laden within 3 days and Gadaffi next on the list.
.

well it's the fifth time they killed him, why not trust them?

They have never made a claim like this.
They have been uncertain at times, but that was simply to do with the logistics of finding someone like Osama.

I never believed them before, but I believe them now.

If osama was a half decent troll he would have made tapes claiming to be alive in the event of his death.

That way they would have to show his pics to discredit the tapes.
And in his own mind make him a martyr. But then it would make him look an even bigger liar and a fake if the US did so.

Tricky situation as Osama was nothing more than a symbol and motivator in recent years, so unless they prove his death, he might well continue to broadcast from beyond the grave, or it will be denied.

so the

- hey guys we killed osama!
- awesome, where's the body?
- well we... threw it into the sea, you know... beliefs and stuff...
- ahhh, right, right. ok
- cu guys
- take care

doesn't seem kinda... suspicious to you?



Edit: lol. osama. not obama. that was. weird.

Does and doesn't.

If they show his pics they could be used to stir up hatred, or emboss his martyr crap. Muslims have some 24/48 hour burial rule aswell, the US are keen to make out this is not a war on islam.

If the US made such a claim and osama makes a tape next week going "wassup niggas" that would discredit the US beyond repair, do you REALLY THINK the USA would be that stupid? I think not.

Either...

Osama is dead.
Osama is alive and as good as dead and tortured for intel.
Osama is dead but made backup tapes in the event of his death, possibly claiming to be alive and possibly a number of copies to respond to the anticipated resolve of the media.

Whichever way you look at it every variable is flawed from from either perspective.

If USA killed him they take a gamble releasing his images, which they will have if true.

If Osama made tapes anticpating his death then he himself risks being discredited beyond denial or delusion if the usa releae his death pics in retalliation to his comrades releasing a tape of him claiming to be alive. WIth today's media, he could have a 100 tapes with variable responses.

Its all about perception and deniability really.

I personally believe he is now dead or as good as dead, I would torture him for intel, he must know so much, I find it suspect they would kill him, unless they had to, then again I find it suspect he ever allowed himself to be killed/caught, that place should have been rigged with explosives with a big red button around his neck.

It was a 40 minute gun fire. PLenty of time, no escape tunnels?

Who knows, but I don't think the USA would fuck themselves like that. It would be too easy to deny being dead. But I suspect he will rise again in the form of a tape.

The way around it would be for the press to simply define the paramters of the tape, I.e specify a background, a type of location, or holding up a certain object.

Only then would you know if the tape was true or not.

If someone I hated claimed I was dead but I could not show it in person, I would gladly meet their video requests for proving I was alive.

So if Osama is alive, it will be upto him to prove it beyond doubt.

after this, if he rises again in the form of a tape, it could also make you wonder if he's dead since god knows when. there could be hundreds of tapes, could be recorded 10 years ago.

there are theories of him dying all the way back in 2001 due to some kidney failure, and if that's true, the americans could just be manipulating his name and releasing the tapes themselves for all this time just as an icon / an imaginary threat, ideal to spread fear which suits their military needs. and there's clearly more to it than terrorism stories.

/conspiracy

i personally believe that either:

1) he's still alive
2) he's been dead for a long time

apparently the DNA analysis proved it's him. but you're gonna believe what you want to believe anyway. there's a million ways to pull this stunt successfully.

What about it seems suspicious to you? Did you expect them to put his corpse on display on Times Square or something? :)

i believed saddam was dead what i saw him hanged.

so yes. i'd say that the corpse of the world's most wanted guy should be shown. credibility helps. especially after claiming they killed him a million times already. and it's not like him getting killed isn't enough for his people to get pissed and take revenge. a proof couldn't make things that much worse.

a possible explanation why they're not releasing the body pics is because you'd have a bunch of butthurt towelheads with posters of him celebrating him as a martyr.

who gives a fuck about that outcome?

if it's true, they are already more than pissed. not showing the corpse isn't really gonna change much.

Not showing the corpse isn't going to change the fact that he's dead either you know :)

what kind of a stupid logic is that, seriously?

Their objective was to get Bin Laden and they achieved that objective. My point was that parading his corpse around would not have added anything to that objective, if anything it would have put them in a bad light. It seems pretty obvious to me that they have photos and did a DNA analysis of the body, so we'll see whether or not they decide to publish them.

What's more, I'm pretty sure that they would not have announced his death the way they did had they not been sure themselves that he was dead, otherwise it's just an invitation to get ridiculed. In such a scenario not only would Obama be politically dead as a result but the US' credibility as a security actor would be seriously damaged.

i'm just saying that they claimed he's dead many times already, and this one time when he's finally "REALLY" dead, there's no proof whatsoever, and you're all supposed to believe anyway.

the fact that the americans themselves are confirming the dna doesn't really change much. they left a LOT of space for questions.

that's all.

When did the president of the United States previously announce Bin Laden's death?

yea Im curios about this one too. seems like internet forums = reality for some people.

ahh, the president of the united states. the guy who has so much control over things...

So you recognize it's the first time Bin Laden's death is announced by the POTUS?

i recognize that the guy is doing what he's told to do.

You're dodging the question. Did he or did he not announce Bin Laden's death previously?

as far as i know, he didn't.

but that's irrelevant. if you think that obama's voice makes something true by definition, you're delusional. obama got the information, stood up, and pronounced it. that's all. it's maybe true, maybe it isn't. he may think it's true himself. maybe he knows it isn't but is instructed to say so.

That's not why I was asking you that, I was asking you that because you replied "they claimed he's dead many times already" to my post where I wrote they would be crazy to announce his death to way they did if they weren't sure he was dead. Now that you've recognized that the POTUS had never announced Bin Laden's death previously, who is "they" in your sentence? Unless you can point me to administration officials speaking in the name of the administration and declaring previously that Bin Laden was dead, your reply completely misses the point I was making.

On July 17, 2002, the then-head of counterterrorism at the FBI, Dale Watson, told a conference of law enforcement officials that “I personally think he [Bin Laden] is probably not with us anymore,” before carefully adding that “I have no evidence to support that.”

In November 2005, Senator Harry Reid revealed that he was told Osama may have died in the Pakistani earthquake of October that year.

that's just some from the US.


anyway, what exactly makes the difference, president repeating the info he's given, or anyone from the FBI / military repeating the info they are given?

if it's in the interest of the US to come out with this in this particular moment, he's not likely to refuse. and after all it's the AMERICAN government. trusting them in the first place is STUPID. and trusting the american government in something they say without ANY proof is even more stupid.

The difference is that if the president (or even administration officials) announces that Bin Laden is definitely dead and it turns out that he isn't, the president would be politically dead like I said and the US would lose much credibility as a security actor. Since in the two examples you provided me with the officials did not officially declare that he was dead I'm afraid your sentence "they claimed he's dead many times already" is false in regards to the US government.

unless you can point me to administration officials speaking in the name of the administration and declaring previously that Bin Laden was dead, your reply completely misses the point I was making.

On July 17, 2002, the then-head of counterterrorism at the FBI, Dale Watson, told a conference of law enforcement officials that “I personally think he [Bin Laden] is probably not with us anymore,” before carefully adding that “I have no evidence to support that.”

In November 2005, Senator Harry Reid revealed that he was told Osama may have died in the Pakistani earthquake of October that year.

um... ^^ totally pointed.

The difference is that if the president (or even administration officials) announces that Bin Laden is definitely dead and it turns out that he isn't, the president would be politically dead like I said and the US would lose much credibility as a security actor.

good point! politically dead. yeah. so... how exactly do you think that it will turn out he's officially alive? with more videos which could now "officially" be declared fake / recorded ages ago (and likewise, all these videos of bin laden within the last 10 years could be considered fake / recorded ages ago, if he's dead for 10 years already) or do you think he's gonna go for a public speech or something like that?

pls.

Are you blind? The first guy says that he personally thinks he's dead but that he has no evidence to support it, and Reid said he heard he may have died. Neither of them is officially declaring Bin Laden dead.

Regarding the second part of your post, if Bin Laden was alive you can bet that he wouldn't let the US get credit for his alleged death.

the first guy is only the then-head of counterterrorism at the FBI, Dale Watson. i'm sure he got this impression while drinking coffee reading the morning newspaper with his wife cindy. head of counterterrorism at the FBI, what the fuck does he know.

i'm not ASSURING everyone that bin laden is alive. i'm just saying that there's still no evidence that he's dead. (and when did he die)

i'll leave it at that.

Holy shit, can you read? He DID NOT officially declare that Bin Laden was dead. This is the _FIRST TIME_ that the U.S. government declares Bin Laden is dead.

well, you can continue writing down irrelevant stuff over and over again, or read what i write.

it's up to you.

I said it was the first time they officially declared him dead, you said it wasn't and you were wrong.

you said it's the first time someone important did it, i linked you a couple of things which actually show you were wrong.

and besides all that i repeated more than once that i find it *irrelevant* who pronounces what if there is no evidence, but you made me link stuff regardless.

which is totally stupid.

so ok, i guess you choose to continue what you were doing, and i'm not interested in that crap anymore. can't really talk to a wall.

It blows my mind that you're still unable to understand why your two examples are completely off the mark. My sentence:

Unless you can point me to administration officials speaking in the name of the administration and declaring previously that Bin Laden was dead [...]

Now, not only did neither Dale Watson nor Harry Reid speak in the name of the administration, but they also did NOT declare that Bin Laden was dead. Do you understand what "declare Bin Laden is dead" means? Dale Watson didn't declare Bin Laden was dead, he said HE personally _thought_ Bin Laden was dead. Harry Reid didn't declare Bin Laden was dead, he said he _heard_ he was dead. Again, this is the FIRST TIME that the U.S. government declares that Bin Laden is dead. Get this through your head already.

Why does it matter? Because like I already wrote, the moment the U.S. government claims Bin Laden is dead, then the United States will lose a lot of credibility as a security actor if he's not. That's obviously not a gamble they're going to take if they're not sure of themselves.

Now plenty of intelligent questions can be asked about the raid. For example, how did they get the intelligence? I can very well imagine the official story not being the complete truth, for example they could very well have been tipped off by the ISI (or at least elements inside the ISI) in exchange for something (like reducing drastically the number of incursions by drones into Pakistani territory, or the ISI might be interested in seeing the U.S. strike a deal with the Talibans in Afghanistan, something which is made easier by distancing the Talibans from Al Qaeda and by Bin Laden's death). Also, one can wonder if they really planned on taking him alive had it been possible, given that it would have been a political nightmare afterwards (and more dangerous for U.S. citizens abroad, since a possible scenario would have seen Al Qaeda members/affiliates taking Americans hostages and demanding Bin Laden's release).

These are examples of why one might wonder if certain aspects of the official story are true. At this point, though, it should frankly be obvious to anyone with a functioning brain that the part about Bin Laden being dead is definitely true.

You're clearly trying too hard here....

"well it's the fifth time they killed him, why not trust them?"

Why is it in 10 years I hoped every day this guy would die and yesterday was the first and only time I beleive it was the case?
I don't know how you're interpreting things as if that was really the case the world would not believe it.

By large, people, including Al Queda have accepted he's dead.

for the 20th time. i don't believe anything till i see some evidence, that's it.

in all honesty, he's probably somewhere on a caribbean beach sipping cocktails right now after being retired as a good cia operative.

Tim Osmond deserves some RnR.

Would Al Qaida confirming Osama's death be enough proof ?

it would have put them in a bad light.

Man, it's a good thing we never do that.

Its not really "we" though is it?

"I put it as Germany for the German flag. I'm German, I live in america, and I know why the world hates you."

http://www.gotfrag.com/quake/forums/thread/260067/

I always thought it was odd someone from Texas hating his own country. Oh you poor boy, German? Its sure explains A LOT<<<<<< about you as a person and how you come across-especially in relation to when you talk about the US.

But it all makes sense when you say where you are from.

If Online+Games+German = "probably a c**t".

Enjoy living in the country that dominated you.

What does my geolocation have to do with a rational dislike for the actions of the country which I happen to inhabit? If you agree with all of the actions of your country (especially when they're horrible), you are a prime candidate for religion.

What is the point?

There was more before that, which you seem to have missed. Thanks for ignoring the remark about geolocation, though.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/nuclear-hel...ida-101330

After the wikileaks release of the Guantanamo prisoner files, Al-Qaida apparently said that they would detonate a nuclear bomb that they have hidden in Europe if Osama was every captured/killed. That was about a week before this. There's no way to avoid him being a martyr.

obviously.

nuclear bomb is fine, but the posters would just be too much

I agree somewhat, but it's not the ones already in the network this is about, rather the masses, the average morons who's favorite pastime is protesting with posters of dead "martyrs".

not giving them fuel for the fire is only a good thing. rather than having someone's dead body paraded around, just give a dry statement "he's dead. moving along". no pics, no graves ,no body. let the conspiracy nuts produce another Osama if they have him.

When have you ever seen a dead corpse shown on u.s media? cnn might show .05 seconds of a dead body but you certainly don't think they're going to show a picture of a dead body and have it circulated. Want to give kids nightmares? If they do show pictures or video (more likely) it will go to the sources that are denying his death to be real, If, and only if, it's truly necessary (due to osama back up tapes), they might make it available to the mass public. But even Sadam's death tape being leaked was a mistake, and his death could otherwise stil have been questioned as well. Osama is dead. Only an idiot would believe otherwise right now.

Look up Habeas Corpus. You have to produce the corpse in order for your claim to be valid.

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that Habeas Corpus is traditionally understood as a principle that detainees can invoke to be released from imprisonment. The "habeas corpus" refers to the person of the detainee (which has to be brought before the court by the jailer) and not the corpse of the dead in a murder case. Either way, I don't see the link with what we're talking about.

this

"He might well continue to broadcast from beyond the grave"

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pakistan-unaware-osa...34654.html

cool, the end of terrorism...

War on terror won't end up ever, it's just too profitable for USA to have *artificial/fictional* enemies around them.

We're all living in America,
America is wunderbar
We're all living in America,
Coca-Cola, sometimes war

leave coca cola alone

yea we need cheap pesticides.

fucking blasphemer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fpEgurO-ec

the fuck is this

pesticide bro

that's insulting on so many levels

Thank god they didn't use Diet Coke. I love that stuff! YUM!

Ah, seems like they are preparing ground for a new false flag attack:

http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/images/ombamafake.jpg

They gotta keep Ron Paul of the presidency by all means. This will have people busy celebrating about it and raising Obama's popularity, while they screw around in Libya.

Also lol'd at throwing the cadavre at the sea to ensure not DNA tests are performed.

they have photos and dna.. they dumped him into the sea becase they didnt want people to travel to the grave

No. If you can't produce the corpse, you don't have shit. (c) Habeas Corpus.

Reminds me of a CS match: some guy is hitting crazy shots and owning hard. Then later, when the admins ask for the demo, he says he already deleted it or forgot to record.

Seriously though.. why not hang onto the body for a couple days to perform all confirmations then dump it at an undisclosed location.. the whole thing stinks.

of course it may seem weird but you can only rely on the information you get from media at this point.. we have no idea what (if?) is really going on.. im not a zeitgeist type of guy so i guess they have their reasons and plans in an operation of such importance.. for all we know they might still have the body and only said this to honor the muslim tradition of the burial within 24 hours of death..

would have been a goldmine for tourist agencies so it is anti-democratic and economical wrong as well

obvious pre-election stunt is obvious

Probably even had a look - a - like killed on purpose to make it appear real.

When exactly should the raid have happened for you to recognize it didn't happen for election purposes but simply to... get Bin Laden?

Anytime in the past 2 years?

They supposedly knew he was there anyway;, they couldve bombed the shit out of that place any day, yet waited till election time, not at all suspicious

How is this election time? The election is not until november 2012. Had they done it least year you would probably have bitched that it was to influence last November's legislative elections. Also, your suggestion that they could have bombed the compound at any time and be done with it is laughable.

I'm sure youre such an expert on international poltics that you couldve explained why bombing a most wanted terrorists hangout would be laughable :-)

Your original claim was that this was a pre-election stunt. I suppose that you now agree it wasn't since you apparently don't have anything to reply to the fact that the elections are eighteen months away.

About raiding the compound rather than bombing it, I don't know if you know this but Bin Laden was kind of an important fellow. If you had the choice between hoping he gets killed by an airstrike (and we've seen in the past how airstrikes can fail to kill their intended targets) and making sure he gets either caught or killed because there is a presence of forces on the ground, who in their right mind would cross their fingers and hope the airstrike gets him? Not to mention the importance of being on the ground anyway to make sure it's him, get DNA samples and retrieve a maximum amount of evidence from the site. So an airstrike is not an impossible option but you still have to plan it very carefully and make sure you can be there on the ground afterwards. I don't need to be an expert in international politics to tell you this, it's common sense.

sigh, u honestly believe an airstrike on a fixed target would actually miss lol.

Given sufficient tonnage u WILL wipe out anything in a certain radius, regardless of hitting or not. So there goes your argument

And no just because i cba to argue with you does not mean i concede the point, that would be nice for you though wouldnt it, hence why you brought it up

imagine how it would look had they bombed the shit out of that place, killed 300 civilians while at it, annonced osama's death just to have him appear on tv in some cave a day later.

Well yeah, but one could still argue its worth it from an american pov

how?

only they would have not give the information to the media unless confirmation

"sigh, u honestly believe an airstrike on a fixed target would actually miss lol."

That's not what I said. I said airstrikes can fail to kill the intended human targets, regardless of whether or not they hit where they're supposed to. This can happen because the intelligence is bad and the human target was never there (which is another reason you need a presence on the ground anyway, at least to identify the bodies afterwards), because the human target moved away from the site before the attack hit (again, you therefore need to be there on the ground), or because the attack hit when he was there but it still did not kill him (not likely, but it is still possible). If you want to leave absolutely nothing to chance you need to go with a human raid at one point (even if you go for an airstrike first). I'm guessing that making sure they would be able to identify the DNA and who it was that was there also played a big role (not to mention investigating the evidence in the compound).

Apparently it was last September that they started to believe Bin Laden could be there, and it was earlier this year that they reached the conclusion that this was most likely the case. So no, they couldn't have expected to kill Bin Laden by bombing the place "anytime in the last two years".

Finally, regarding your "it's for the election" claim, you not conceding the point doesn't change the fact that you're obviously wrong looking at the timing.

In other words you just strike me as yet another fuck me i know it all but i cant back it up esr muppet

..says the guy who declared out of thin air that it happened for election purposes.

As said below, election time in the usa starts as soon as when candidates are announced . So yeah it was an election stunt and you really should get more of a clue before trying to argue

He also happens to be dead as well though, i"ll give u that

Again, the election is eighteen months away, and the raid is certainly not going to have an eighteen-months-long impact in terms of popularity for Obama (see other "rally around the flag" events). Its actual impact is going to be that it will be less easy for Republicans to present Obama as someone who is "weak" when it comes to national security. This would have happened regardless of the timing of the raid, even if it had happened one year ago. Basically, you have nothing.

edit: and I had forgotten that you even wrote that they "probably even had a look - a - like killed on purpose to make it appear real". Seriously, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You do not have a leg to stand on.

You really have no idea how our election runs work. You didn't even know that our election runs had begun, you didn't know that the political run can go for more than a year before the actual election, and now you presume to know the impact that it will have on popularity?

For someone who spends so much time trying to defend the US, you haven't spent much time doing any research on it.

Rest assured they will remember that the so-called mastermind behind 9/11 was killed under this presidents jurisdiction.

To think any different would be ludicrous, if there"s one way a politician can reach your average Joe it's by eliminating one of his most hated people.

The usa is in this regard nothing like Belgium.

I know they will, that's why I said

Its actual impact is going to be that it will be less easy for Republicans to present Obama as someone who is "weak" when it comes to national security. This would have happened regardless of the timing of the raid, even if it had happened one year ago.

And that's why it's dumb to declare the raid happened now for election purposes - the same thing would be true (Obama not appearing weak in his handling of national security because he got Bin Laden) regardless of when the raid happened. The temporary bump Obama is getting in the polls now is, however, not going to last eighteen months.

Yeah it will because most people will think like u , by doing and announcing it now as opposed to say 3 months pre election time it will make him more credible in the eyes of voters

It's still essentially an election stunt, just a cleverly timed one

Yeah it will

If you're talking about the bump in the polls that I just mentioned, then no it won't. Look up "rally around the flag effect", these bumps are typically short-lived and the elections are way too far in the future for this short-term effect to have any impact. For a recent example you can take a look at George H. W. Bush' approval ratings: they shot up after the success of operation Desert Storm, but this bump was long gone when the next presidential elections took place.

It's still essentially an election stunt, just a cleverly timed one

No, it's not. You have absolutely _nothing_ to support your claim that it is an election stunt, and the timing of the raid is a clear indication of the opposite. You're only basing your claim on your personal distrust of and paranoia towards the government. The fact that it will be beneficial to Obama is not evidence that it is an election stunt, sorry.

Youre comparing apples to pears.

Desert storm was about a political agenda cleverly packaged as a freedom pursuit.

Operation kill Osama was about eliminating a threat the us citizins had a direct encounter with (supposedly)

Not comparable

I'm glad to see you chose to focus on the comparison I used to illustrate one point rather than address the points I was making.

You apparently missed the point of the analogy, which was to show how such bumps in approval ratings are short-lived.

edit: I loved your use of "supposedly" by the way, out of curiosity do you happen to believe the U.S. government was behind the 9/11 attacks?

Thats because you aren't making a point, all youre doing is calling my pov silly.

Youve shown no real evidence as to why your pov would be correct even though you obviously believe it.

That's just not how it works mate sorry.I don't need to defend myself unilaterally

Youve shown no real evidence as to why your pov would be correct even though you obviously believe it.
That's just not how it works mate sorry.I don't need to defend myself unilaterally

Actually, you're the one making the claim (that they took out Bin Laden for election purposes), so the burden of proof lies with you. That IS how it works. Again, you have brought absolutely _nothing_ forward to support your claim.

What I did was explain to you what the actual impact of the raid will be and how short-term bumps in approval ratings have no real significant impact unless they happen much closer to an election.

You didn't answer my question, by the way. Do you think the U.S. government was behind the 9/11 attacks?

Obviously i cant prove that unless i'n wikileaks 2.0, but neither can you disprove it, while you seem to believe you can. All you do is regurgitate pre chewed government crap and accept it for truth.

And what i explained to you is how well timed actions can have more of an impact than on the doorstep of an election things. You seem to completely ignore that argument as well.

So tell me again, why would i need to make constant arguments while you can ignore mine?

And as for 9/11, i'm divided 50/50 basically

Obviously i cant prove that unless i'n wikileaks 2.0, but neither can you disprove it

Great logic right there!

All you do is regurgitate pre chewed government crap and accept it for truth.

Actually the rally around the flag effect is something that has been conceptualized by political scientists and international relations scholars. It's precisely the opposite of "government crap" because it is used to study how governments can profit electorally from crises. When it occurs, the effect is however typically short-lived, like I said.

And what i explained to you is how well timed actions can have more of an impact than on the doorstep of an election things. You seem to completely ignore that argument as well.

That's not an argument, that's something that you just made up which has no basis in reality either. I already explained to you the two effects of the raid: one long-term (it is now hard for his opponents to depict Obama as someone who is weak when it comes to handling national security matters - this is a major "security" achievement for him) and one short-term (temporary bump in approval ratings). The raid happened too soon for the short-term effect to last until the election, and the long-term effect would have been there even if the raid had happened last year. In short, there is absolutely nothing noteworthy about the timing of the raid.

And as for 9/11, i'm divided 50/50 basically

Yeah... that does not speak well for you.

All you did in that comment was validate your own opinions without any real base yet again.

how can you say the killing wont have a long term effect for example? You can obviously read the future gathering from your comments.

When can i get in on the next seance

All you did in that comment was validate your own opinions without any real base yet again.

That's a funny statement coming from you :)

how can you say the killing wont have a long term effect for example?

I did say it would have a long-term effect. Are you even reading my comments?

I know that you're not American, but "election time" starts as soon as presidential candidates announce their run. Donald Trump and Ron Paul just did this, and the election run usually lasts about the entire year leading up to the actual election.

I hope at least they wrote on the bomb: vote or die

Another innocent muslim killed for being labeled a terrorist.

Good job shills :p

No photos, no body, no DNA evidence? They were so worried about honoring his religious beliefs that they sent him to sea and because "no country would take him".. non sense. And the "locals" immediately burned down his palace of residence. It's as if they're going out of their way, doing everything they can to fuel the conspiracy nutters.

actually, the nyt reports that they of course did take dna samples and photos, getting rid of the body (and the compound?) was probably to prevent creating a shrine for his followers; islamic tradition my ass :d

The problem being, Bin Laden was a known Cia operative and his family an old friend of the Bushes , al qaeda was US financed and trained ,not to mention the 9/11 being an inside job


YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYY

old news brother

for u and me it is brother, but there are too many sleepwalking zombie shills out-there that need to wake up asap :/

Yeah, and I have no doubt that it's true. I just think it's amusing how beautifully this is is laid out for the conspiracy theorists, many of whom still think 9/11 was an 'inside job'. But at least this is more sophisticated than live hanging on television as with Saddam.

Conspiracy theorists could have the body under their noses and they would still find something to spread bs about. Just look at the recent release of Obama's long-form birth certificate.

True, Americans have always been fascinated with conspiracies. The birth certificate thing is just concealed racism though.

official reports also say a secret service guy originating from poland took his shoes

he died with his boots on doesn't apply here if that's the case

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu_XV6kvOI4#t=0m25s

So he was killed in a mansion, is that correct? Probably why Bush could never find him... they thought he was hiding in Afghanistan caves, when really, he was sipping cosmo's in a Pakistani mansion.

I guess now we have to invade Pakistan. You know our policy on harboring terrorists (of course, it doesn't really apply when the harborer has nukes).

R.I.P. Osama Bin Laden - poet, warrior, and a prime example of why the CIA should not train foreigners.

oh please do teach us on what CIA should be doing LOL

Well clearly, they should be listening to the Vatican.

I suppose you'd have the CIA train foreigners to attack the U.S.? Seems like good policy, why not give foreigners nukes too, and teach them how to nuke the U.S.?

It's very simple... you are some religious goof who thinks, 'Is this person God', rather than thinking, 'Are the ideas valid?'. It doesn't matter where or who the ideas come from, they're either good or shit. Not to mention the fact 95% of my post was humor.

What's that old quote? 'Poor minds discuss people. Mediocre minds discuss events. Great minds discuss ideas.'? You didn't even address the ideas, which were rife with humor, you just attempted some baseless character or credibility assassination. And you wonder why I have nothing but contempt for you (no offense).

I guess now we have to invade Pakistan. You know our policy on harboring terrorists (of course, it doesn't really apply when the harborer has nukes).

Ya nuke issue aside that's what you would refer to as the "Bush Doctrine". As for Obama following that, I doubt it (but he can prove me wrong in Libya)..

Yeah, I know, i'm just further insulting the legacy of George W. Bush.

There was a 25 million dollar bounty on his head, do you really think if any innoncents knew he was there they would have passed up the chance?

A lot of them would swap their mother for a cow and hen.

Haha why did he kicked the door:P?

coz they were muslim

Had to post this.

Also, hi.

damn i was going to photoshop something like that

memes and catch phrases are riped off so fast and often nowadays that they annoy the fuck out of me after less then a whole day :/
lets try an interesting photo instead



http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/h2ktn/w..._national/

The comment on there:

whubbard 4 hours ago
Also the document under the blurred out one is a photo of Osama's compound. Lots of neat things in the picture.

VoodooEconomist 3 hours ago
Oh that? That's balls.

versusgorilla 3 hours ago
Yeah, they always look like landscapes close up. Those are balls.



Fucking brilliant.

Shanegentry 5 hours ago
Keep in mind this operation involved sending less than 30 men hundreds of miles into an unsupportive territory. Landing in the middle of a city. Assaulting a compound. Killing an entire group of people. Losing a helicopter. Recovering the body of Bin Laden. Safely evacuating all personnel including the crew of the lost helicopter. Then flying hundreds of miles to safety without being engaged by hostile forces.

ZERO FRIENDLY CASUALTIES.

MagCynic 5 hours ago
It's gonna make one hell of a movie.

chuck norris probably did it himself

All kidding aside it might make for good military propaganda like Black Hawk Down if Ridley Scott makes it :P

i'd watch that movie :)

:DDDDDDDDddddddddd

AR is the best.

"hey dude, we're killing Osama, wanna watch?"
"I'll bring coffee"

Update.

The people in the above image were watching the action unfold in real time.

Nearly 100% DNA match for osama.

death pics and vids were taken and may be released shortly.

Al Q did not believe he was dead, but have recently accepted that he is and how pakistan and American are gonna pay!

Aww, and they were so nice before.

P.S.
"The reported death of Osama Bin Laden is just too good a lure for cybercriminals and scammers to pass up," McAffee Inc. security researcher David Marcus said in a blog post.

No official photos or videos of Bin Laden's body have been released. So if you’re in search of pictures or video: Be careful.

Regardless if bin laden is dead or alive, they have lost their poster boy for "the war on terrorism". Who is next?

Sure, fighting against a terrorist organisation and taking a step closer to defeating them is positive, but having massive celebrations solely because your country has killed a man seems really fucked to me. Closure is good, but they look to be celebrating revenge. Thats messed up.

I can understand the celebrations at the end of a horrible war; to celebrate peace and that no more lives will be lost in such a horrible manner. Not what they were celebrating last night. The Americans seem to have forgotten that the organisation he belongs to is still at large....

You'd have thought they were celebrating the start of world peace or that their "war on terrorism" is over. Is it?

No.

They will shortly have a new poster boy, the American public will return to living in "fear", the "war on terror" will continue and the propaganda machine will relentlessly continue controlling the masses in the US.

All of which is massively, massively fucked up if you ask me.

you didn't aleady learn all this from tsunami/pearl harbor madness? :/

Not quite to this extent; the only thing I saw regarding the tsunami was a bunch of utterly retarded and sickening facebook statuses/messages; not people jumping for joy and celebrating out in the streets.

I agree with you that their behaviour is awful in both and of a similar nature. For me, posting something on the internet and getting out onto the streets and demonstrating your views through your actions are two different things. Messed up :(

where did you get the "massive celebrations" from?
i believe it's a media hype thing so they're able to broadcast something when there isn't much to broadcast cos of lack of information available.

a similar thing probably happened during the wedding, i doubt a lot of people cared even in the uk, while it looked all kinds of "massive" to an outsider in front of a tv set.

Outside the white house and at ground zero?

i watched one of the livestreams and some of the responses to the reporters were comical at best, i did not get the impression there were "massive celebrations" going on throughout the us.

let's hope they won't simulate another 9/11 in order to double the upset of the population (american civils are happy mostly thinking the whole "terrorists" hysteria will go away now)

"R.I.P. Osama Bin Laden - poet, warrior, and a prime example of why the CIA should not train foreigners."

G.I. Jonesy - ©

pics or it didn't happen

DNA or it didn't happen

pics and DNA or it didn't happen

DNA is useless to anyone but intelligence.

Releasing images and videos of his burial/death is damn tricky because you know some islamist will compare it to christ and use it for PR.

The usa should keep quiet, there is ZERO or little public doubt that he is alive, even AL Q have admitted he's dead.

If someone wants to say he is alive, it will be upto Osama to prove it and I don't mean the release of some shitty tape.

I don't meanreleasing tapes from his collection based on his anticipated death and approximate media guess work. I means a real, undeniable video which cannot be denied.

The west does NOT need to prove it, the world believes them, so I say keep his profile as low as possible, these people always twist shit around, they tell the world things like they want to die, but spend 10 years running and hiding.

If Osama wanted to be a martyr to his deluded factions he would have jumped into a plane and flew into another building, its not that hard to do people.

Jesus even Al Q are saying it took the USA 10 years to find him and 3 months to do what they wanted (fly a plane into the T towers) I mean, the logistics are so far apart, yet the comparison shows no concept of this.

The level of delusions these people work to are quite impressive:) Watch the UK osama in action!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4u5o8gz55M

He isn't dead,i saw him working at tesco's talking to elvis.

why haven't they just captured him? i mean, if they went through all that trouble..

i guess his CIA background and various other information he could divulge would prove too inconvenient

I am sure they had orders to kill him on sight

I don't think that marines are scared of unarmed persons, even if there is a gun near by.

Extrajudicial killing, yay! USA USA!


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/02/us-...H220110502

How can it be extrajudicial if we are in fact the World Police?

Even if "you" were indeed the world police, you fucking Uhmerican have just confused the judiciary with the executive branch.

I didn't confuse anything. Sorry for being so nontechnical about our legal system since it was a joke

you stupid fucking anon.

I apologize. Sorry.

AS-SALAMU A'LAIKUM

Rofl at that kick to the door. It's like Slash explained how Axl Rose would behave in a "camera conscious" way by jumping into the crowd or doing something stupid when he knew he was the center of attention. Obama had a hollywood moment right there..lol

You know it's a fake right? :p

Of course :P

Some nice comments by users on the NYT website about why it would be pointless and distasteful to release pictures of the corpse (Obama has just announced he won't).

edit: and here. It was the right call.

or you could tell stories from history on how they used to hang leader's body for public eyes for a few days so that the image must discourage future offensive actions
whatever serves the purpose I guess

What have Osama bin Laden and Maddie got in common?

Both had their back door smashed in before being dumped at the bottom of the ocean.

A bit like the collective disappointment of your parents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

There is no projection, you're just another empty fuck up on the internet making a joke about a 3 yr old girl who was kidnapped and killed because your life is that empty and unhappy. Its that simple.

Nothing in your little e-life is going to change that.

<INSERT SELF CONVINCING COME BACK HERE..........................................................>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

"Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person unconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions."

Thanks for telling us of your plight!

Welcome to hypocrisy.

Carry on reading...

"Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others have those feelings."

Now you're calling me a hypocrite, you're actually living out the wikipedia entry!

ok

well he did own you pretty good there and he's not even the real diabz.

by maddie you refer to the girl who was kidnapped?

No I refer to Madeleine who had intercourse with Jamerio's fish.

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Photos WON'T be released.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/05/04/bin.la...index.html

Good to hear. Obama is right about everything he said.

Agreed :)

HA!

mostly bimbos :D

astonishing news on the line: history book is a lie
someone at the white house realised that the more time they played around the ball the less credible the lie -obama bin laden was kinda old back in 2001, a few years later on and he would have get into the guiness book as oldest guy on the planet

wat

"HUNDREDS of Osama bin Laden supporters clashed with English Defense League extremists today as a “funeral service” for the assassinated terror leader sparked fury outside London’s US Embassy."

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/245148/Fu...z1LbEgUOSl

someone make a picture with a gorilla disguised as arab and saying: Tarzan is dead, hallelujah

who the fuck gave these people UK citizenship? :D
you want cheap labor force? take people from anywhere but the Middle East, wtf

They're a political weapon, of course they're allowed in.

political weapon for who? whoever they are they must be endorsing domestic anti-british sentiments

if they just want minorities to vote for them, they're picking the wrong kind of people :))

Sleepers.

Since the Osama Bin Laden announcements, fat, white-trash types are walking around the streets in jubilation. The real America has come out of its hiding place, and it isn't pretty.

The U.S. is an illusion. Maybe a General Patton here or there does kick ass, but most of the people are just poor, stupid white-trash.

in case you wondered who the hell voted for g.w. bush, twice, now you know.

only white?

OGs robbin they houzus cuzzz

Jonesy Inc. being satisfied with nigguz drug&heal company another must it be
also hy-ho yo niggaz another cause makeing Liam The Jargon looking not so stupid when saying BS hallelujah

Yea yea he was shooted on the face, and buried on the sea. trololol newbs

http://survivaljoe.net/blog/osama-bin-laden-dead-since-2001/