I enjoyed the second part much more than the first :)
I think the first part would have been far more entertaining if 2GD just casted/mocked fatal1ty's play akin to casting any other game; I think that would have been much more funnier/entertaining.
Yeah and within a few months everyone is playing FFA.
I plant seeds, they grow.
Hardly any game time in 5 years, if I played a fraction as much as the no lifers I would rape. Sorry guys, seen too many victims of gaming on this site to fall the same traps.
Try factoring in the time played to the skill shown and no one impresses me more than me.
Unfortunately people with poor skills may be impressed by something like this. If you are going against 4 guys and none of them manage to frag you, it's because they're shit. Any 2 guys above a certain skill level will be able to beat a pro 1 vs 2.
It's like people will ask me how do I get such a high score in CA, and then I say nothing, because the only thing I can say is that it's akin to shooting fish in a barrel.
ya I know, but c3 took on the entire K9 team who were, at that time, also very high level players. it happens, especially in CA with no powerups and such. quake is chaotic.
"Unfortunately people with poor skills may be impressed by something like this."
so newbies/casuals/notsosmarts could get more impressed by other shit? or you think they'll totaly turn into maniacs by doing similar stuff? or (if your comment was about fat) they could actually like him and buy stuff? get a penis
I don't really understand what you mean, but at the same time what I said wasn't very clear I suppose. My opinion was that the video wasn't anything special and wasn't worth uploading.
You're like the American equivalent of agent. Both spend countless hours playing QL, some more hours talking crap, and contend with top tier players online, but no one really cares about you because you've never shown up at a LAN and probably would finish last if you did.
um.. I don't spend hours playing quake at all, and I'll be the first to admit that agent is WAY better than I am. I don't know whether he's showed up to any LANs or if there's some kind of implications about him cheating online or whatever, but I don't, and I can guarantee you I'll be just as good on LAN as I am online, if I'm comfortable with my setup and such. I don't get the need for the hostility.
P.S. I don't care if 'anyone cares about me.' that seems to be the difference between the way I think and the way other people apparently do, or something.
edit: didn't even notice your spelling. not sure if that was supposed to be a joke or something, but you can type fataL1ty yourself in QL and find those games in match history. fatal1ty is not very good.
well, I'll be winning Quakecon Open Duel this year, if they have it. I kind of want to practice and win the masters, but open is a free $1500 or whatever. I'll play masters next year.
can you even form a sentence? I'm not sure what you're trying to say or why you're posting. that seems like a common trend amongst german posters, though.
What 2gd's basically saying is fatal1ty had made a living out of gaming and now makes hundreds of thousands of dollars a year (estimate dunno exact figures) and all he has done to give back to the community which let's face it made him what he is today is slapping his face on some mediocre products and sponsering k1llsen.
Did you forget about the FPlayers (including Fox, Stermy and Toxjq) as well as some other players in Doom 3?
During several interviews Stermy said he had one of the highest salaries/best contracts etc, so he has provided quite a bit more than people say.
No-one brings that up....
Although I do understand 2GD's point that he has the financial clout and the contacts needed to start up his own tournament series if he really wanted to. Since he has seen that you basically need to ride on a sponsor to pay for everything, he's shrewd enough to see that it isn't a particularly sound business plan. Thats why he has all of that money in the first place, he didn't squander it on things like running tournies which have are essentially bound to fail.
I mean ESWC even collapsed, and it was regarded by the pros as THE best tournament organiser out there in terms of the quality of the tournaments they created. It's fair comment to say any FPS based tournament series is destined to fail looking at all the events that have come and gone.
Those are several reasons why I can see Fat not getting involved with running tournies.
Fplayers = when fat was still competing.
And the point is that fat has been cashing in on his esports fame during the last 5 years or so without doing shit, either competing or doing real things for the community ( no, I don't consider sending k1llsen doing anything for the community, that was a complete gamble that would have only served his brand )
I agree with the part about esports orgs/events in general though but you can't do shit with a dead genre, the kind of community quake has nowadays imo and people still dreaming about a concept that proved as solid and sound as the dotcom bubble. ( yay rehashing my own irc logs )
I don't agree with that all, that it's like a dotcom bubble or dead genre. The organizers just don't know what they're doing. They keep treating this cat like a dog, but it's not a dog.
Maybe team-games are more preferable, but that doesn't mean we should be like fatal1ty and sell out by playing shitty games (no offense to fatal1ty, the thread is about him).
erh, the organizers of the last few events ( namely iem/esl and dreamhack ) are probably the best organizers we could hope for ( fans of the game + understand how stuff must be organized ).
It's dead from a global esports pov. Deal with it or do something with the community.
I really can't see why Fatal1ty doesn't organize some LANs now and then btw. If stermy was able to make such a great one, I'm sure he could do it at least as well, given his position. It'd draw a ton more attention to his gaming chairs and socks than playing CA.
the whole idea about gaming furniture is maybe abit over the top, but if i was desperate enough to improve i cud easily go for it :-D i mean, im sure they will actually help :D
'you know i'm not just holding a tournament you know, anyone can do that you know. i'm letting these kids play on fatal1ty brand equipment, which let's them excell in their skill you know, to get that much of an edge over their opponent. also back in the day when gaming was something'
during the interview you can see rapha playing the ql finals from behind, tho sometimes fatal1ty jerks his grin in the way.
Actually a good idea, that way everybody wins. If he hosts a kick ass tourny no one will complain he doesn't play anymore, and he can still use his image to promote stuff.
yeah, i really don't understand why he hasn't done this yet. he HAS to have some sort of connections to find sponsors for a tournament, be there to sign autographs and boothbabes etc, promote his stupid ass products, and have at least a small if not decent size prize purse for a competition...something like SC2, CS/CS:S, and QL, if not some sort of fighting game and maybe a racing game
UGC didn't seem to have near the amount of advertising tournaments such as WCG have, though yo're right it probably would fail. tournaments seem to always lose money everywhere except in korea
Fat in _every_ interview tells everyone how much he gives back to the FPS community because he was so fortunate to make living out of gaming.
But seriously, what does he give back? Hardware? He gets shit load of money out of it. These lame videos? It's really newb material, still it promotes him a lot in a kind of way (lol).
I mean 2GD has a point. If you want to show skill, show a real skill, not these lame videos for newbs. And I don't think he's (2GD) jealous like here people say, it's just pathetic that Fatal1ty claims he gives back to the FPS community as much as he got during his years of prime.
The truth it, he gives nothing back since behind his every action money is involved, which lands in his pocket - yes you can't blame him for doing this, but for fuck sake, he shouldn't like lie like he does to the dumb, unaware masses out there. From my POV it's a huge, justified sarcasm from 2GD's side.
P.S I was quite drunk writing this reply so I hope you get the point! :]
You, sir, are a sick moffo sitting here at 4 am, lol!!! I didn't even managed to edit my comment when you read it.
People on esr have rights to give fat shit. I wouldn't give him shit if he really has done what he claims he does all the time. However all he does is those pathetic shit statements for dumb, unaware gamers out there. I don't mind if he would stick with his brand and developed it further, but he says so much bullshit making him look like an esport saviour, it's hilarious.
He's not repeating set phrases, he really believes in what he does he says, which is even more pathetic.
Muh. Much respect for Fat that if he casually plays a game, he just plays with his own nick. While in fact this is the one playername that actually holds a lot of value. It's a brand, lol. This is something all you fakenicking internet identity protecting losers can learn from.
Who gives a shit if he's not using an alias? It's not like the servers he's playing on are hard anyway... You can tell that just from watching the videos. It's basically stat padding
From beginning to end complete nonsense. Consider that there are actually people that don't care about statistics, at all. Hi! I shit on statistics (o hi bliksems!).
I had the honors to play a couple of games vs Fatality, i think it were 6 or 7 FFA games in a row. Fatality didn't win any map, yet he kept on playing.
2gd simply made a satirical video vs fatality thats "pwns" some noobs instead to organize some events for the players who made him rich and famous,players who love this game more than him.
visje is right,fatality plays with his real nick and dont care about losing,other pro players just fakenicking around servers.
i want say,honor to those players who do not use fake nick
btw this is me beating fatality on ffa a couple of years ago:
this is about jameiro:
please explain me that christmas match you always talk about,you won a FFA match,with some random players.
coller did the same but in another match,i mean ,didnt you play with him in the same match?
are you comparing 2 different match and you brag that get less time than coller?
if this is true,are you retared?
how can yo brag to have beat somebody without playing vs him ?
i've finished lot of FFA in 3 minutes,thats mean that every pro that got more time of me on that map are worst that me?
you are not used yet to the jamerio creature, in time you will learn to just read his comments and just laugh, then keep moving on because its also useless to try to teach him anything.
its just part of the fun of esr, we are like a small community with a few pets hanging around the building who annoy random people, but we dont kick them out because its fun to watch them.
Anyone who has a modicum of success incurs people who try to cut them down, no matter how humble they are.
Why does he have to do anything special for the community? I mean it's nice and all, but what he has done is already above and beyond if you ask me.
It's not uncommon for people to work hard, become successful, hold on to the fruits of their success and just retire young + have fun. That's freedom. You're under no obligation to do anything in particular with your success. Thoughts to the contrary are rooted in jealousy and ignorance.
The issue isn't his greed, it's the resulting destruction of his greed to the system that got him to where he is today. He's fine with whoring himself out, even if it means destroying established standards, promoting inferior products, hurting gamer credibility, scaring away sponsors, etc..
yea that whole mentality is pretty arbitrary and ridiculous. social expectations will always exist, and there will be conflict when one's personal expectations don't meet with reality and blabla. the whole thing is baffling and absurd to me, but such is the human condition. neither this post nor any other in the thread is going to change it.
maybe he dont want to practice and be that good anymore, he just play for fun even if this could cause bad influence on his brand, but this is his brand not yours
i like him as a caster but hes just an annoying, jealous nerd
fatality used to win some tournaments and now hes not playing quake anymore cos he is busy making money hence he is bad at quake and i dont see anything wrong here
i also think rapha is fucking bad but i dont take away his victories
who cares rly...
many other real athletes keep on doing money out of their name whole life even though they re not even 1% of what they used to be at something
Well, Fatal1ty in many of his interviews stated that he's all about giving back to gaming community. Fatal1ty might be thinking about "good" gear for gamers, but what actually gamers are hopping for are tournaments and sponsors. I think that's what 2GD was going after.
What did you think happened to the video? It was either deleted or the user deleted his account. Doesn't take much of a genius to solve that mystery, idiot. Talk about asking a dumb question.