Lost world is now replacing bloodrun......

......You missed april the 1st guys.

out with hektik, in with ztn :c

It's the other way around silly.

else if ;)

lol? Ztn removed, dm13 and hektik stays? This is so funny - NOT.

Btw I will not even comment battleshit map in the pool, witch almost NOBODY plays.

last open cup's noone played ztn, bf>ztn, many players wnted to see dm13 in.

thats why you should remove one more aim map and add brain map. everyone removes ztn, becose they are no brains fucking cs`ers. vq3 is like MMA - you need have all strong sides, not just aim.

agree, no brain map pool

there are only 3 small aim maps in mappool

maybe four? :D

haha, lol @ maplist, happy I don't play quake serious atm :)))
In such progresion , soon we will have 5 maps like testbox, cube with guns, so best direct aimer will win.

this is a deathmatch shooter. the best aimer *should* win.

no

so a strenx/cooller/cypher combined to one should in your opinition lose to rapha? |] taking these are the ones with highest fight skill in their aera

erm what?
what youre saying has nothing to do with "the best aimer should win"

to be honest, i dont think anyone means 'best aimer' when they describe someone as 'best aimer'. im sure there are people who aims better than strenx does, but strenx would still beat them due to better fight skill, still strenx is described as the 'better aimer'.

idk, anything else seems stupid as shit

well what does this include then? i mean positioning is part of fighting aswell, right? what else?

if you wanna judge who is the better fighter you would end up with something like ca 1v1, but then it becomes obvious that duel is about way more and so no, although fighting is an important part of duel, it does not decide who wins on its own.
anyway i sense another useless discussion coming up, im out

hence, ca 1v1 is the pinnacle of deathmatch shooters

positioning and timing is key in duel, rapha is living proof of that. but what im asking is; should rapha win everytime just because his positioning and timing is better?

in fight i would say 3 things are important (positioning is pre-fight imo) which is: aim, movement and weapon choise/creativity (see cypher vs stermy games whenever it was, T7 plasma and cypher being trapped in RL jumppad at ZTN).

now its obvious as u say, best fight skill does not determine whos gonna win the game, but should it? thats what im asking

should the 'best aimer' win over strategic players such as rapha?


note: i know u said ur out, but really, dont post any arguments or questions prior to that :D thats just cheep

note: i know u said ur out, but really, dont post any arguments or questions prior to that :D thats just cheep

your first reply was a bit meh, thats mostly why i didnt want to get in an argument here^^, anyway...

should the 'best aimer' win over strategic players such as rapha?

first of all i think you underestimate rapha here cause when you divide fighting into "aim, movement and weapon choise/creativity", i dont see him far behind other players. rapha has one of the best in combat movement. his weapon choices are rock solid (strenx is not there yet for example). now what he maybe lacks in creativity he makes up in adaption, especially when it comes to aim. cause when his aim is on (and there were matches were he simply outaimed other top opponents), he is a real beast but when he doesnt feel comfortable with it, he doesnt rely on it.

anyway to answer your question, it should be a balance where you cant do without the other one. but its hard to quantify how important what factor is, but it seems fine to me atm

im not denying that rapha is a 'aimer', but other players still beats rapha in his better days. i would say hes sligtly above average on a professional level.

what im questioning is if quakelive is rewarding enough for these players who rely on their fight skill more than strategic play, and well... i guess you're right. the balance seems fine to me too :D

Burn the heretic!

Agree.

Map pool whine \:O/

dm13>ztn as a player.
Me not like ztn much so I'm glad it is out.

boring map out, boring map in ... \o/

If you are going to just rotate old maps instead of replacing them with new ones, please next time remove dm13 and add dm6.

one big map replaced by another big map, about wht u speaking, guard? what cubes? it is not big changes in mappool, as u can see

for best mappool, u can just give smart advices, and not be aggresive, like most of u...

Most of the whiners don't even compete in cups so I wouldn't give a shit about their rant.

Players who participate in tourneys shouldn't be allowed to decide maps, because they are biased. Of course you want to play lost world, because this map doesn't emphasize skill difference between players and you can fell like you're having close games with strong players and you like it. It doesn't mean that the map is good way to determine better player in a competition. You, as competition player, don't even care if a map provides a good measure of skill difference, so why you think you should be allowed to have a voice on which maps to use in map pool?

Players who participate in tourneys shouldn't be allowed to decide maps, because they are biased

Not everyone is a biased tard like cooller who once hated t7 and now obviously likes to play it ...
IF this would be a iem like tourney I certainly would agree with dm13<ztn. But this isn't a pro only cup and an admin would do wise to listen to his playerbase.

Of course you want to play lost world, because this map doesn't emphasize skill difference between players and you can fell like you're having close games with strong players and you like it.

I guess you are referring to my post above otherwise I have no clue why you are writing this. The reason why I prefer dm13 over ztn is that ztn is by far my worst map and dm13 somehow suits me a lot. Not only because I have a fairly decent lg but also the layout, mindgames, laying traps etc. In addition people on my skill level do so many mistakes on dm13 that the games are exciting most of the time and not +backish at all. At least it doesn't work vs me if you +back for the whole game and my aim is kinda on ;).
Also I lose to players I would never lose on any other map Q.Q.

It doesn't mean that the map is good way to determine better player in a competition.

Never said anything contradictory have I?

You, as competition player, don't even care if a map provides a good measure of skill difference, so why you think you should be allowed to have a voice on which maps to use in map pool?

You won't believe it but I actually care a lot about it. For example I'm not really bad on dismemberment even though I played it like 10-15 times. Still I think it was easily the most skillless map in the old mappool and it should never be considered again. Basically it is about sharing the big powerups and sneaking most of the time. This map doesn't emphasize skill at all between two players. Just think about all the opportunities to trap a player (rj from ra to ya yeah skillzzz ...) and compare it to other maps.
Btw. my best map by far is hub and I usually play one or even two levels better. I can challenge and beat players who would rape me on any other map. According to your assumption it doesn't take that much skill because I can have closer scores vs better players trolololo ...

Ah and I never said that players should decide but I'm sick of those fags who neither play nor watch the games. Another thing which crosses my mind is that viewers are biased too. So who should decide about the map pool in the end?

Another thing which crosses my mind is that viewers are biased too. So who should decide about the map pool in the end?

As you have formulated it yourself:

fags who neither play nor watch the games

why?

They are unbiased and objective.

Fags who neither watch nor play the game may not be biased, but that doesn't mean they're objective - their opinion is void and irrelevant.

A legendary super popular map with huge history replaced by some generic base map from Q3 that everyone hates to spectate and that is too easy to play with +backing and yellow stacking. Tourney players only like it because they can avoid being raped even if they are dumbass noobs.

Yap, ztn is defo more played than dm13 nowdays.

Actually I like this change. :)))

what the hell was your reasoning behind this map change?

1st april joke from DH admins i guess :D

last cup's - map ztn was played just few times...

and if bf is played zero times in a cup it gets to stay?

tbh i think BF should stay and players shouldnt be able to kick it out that easily (wich is not because its shit, but cause noone cares to train a map that gets dropped by your opponent)

not only because its new.. but because its like t7 - one of the newer "not so frickin small" maps that are great, but way overweighted now. it doesnt share the problems of ztn & dm13 (possibility for very slow games) and not those of dm6 (extreme struggle to regain controll) even tho its not a cpma bastardchild like toxicity & hektik.

it should stay because its well designed and fills a niche in the mappool. and people should play it

bf feels dull to play or spectate which might be the reason why noone bothers with it
it cannot be forced to pick/drop by anyone so that leaves very few options

bf play's very often, rly

So what? It's competition, everyone wants to win, so players choose maps which are easier for them to play, not which objectively judge skill better.
You know why there are admins in every tourney? Because there are things that you simply can't allow players to decide because players are biased.

And battleshit was played a lot, right?

no one play it , i streamed a lot matches from this cup, u can see all my vods, only some rus players sometimes choose this map - only they! why are u talking about this stupid map for public ?

If we're not dead tommorow, good luck!

fix stream link plz on http://www.goodgame.ru/news.php?ocd=view&id=9880

stream by c58 - http://cyberfight.ru/site/news/78018/

wow fazz playing again godlike

His aim is really on. Demos would be nice as I saw only the last map because of the dfb pokal final.

All vod's will be up soon at JeePlays.com

Fazz again! Love his style. Fazz, please upload demo pack again please.

Anyone who has demos of good games from this tourney should upload them, especially BF ones.

my ping it is not good in russia

What the artist wants us to say?