This is the best ZTN: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv2haDHLepE

No matter who you place instead of czm. Cypher with this skill and more important confidence(he tends to go emo sometimes) is a really hard opponent.. noone could beat him..He was really "cyber" in this game..

If u put k1llsen agains this cypher..U would get a "creamsen"..

Too bad cypher changed like a lot..He's not so confident against certain players anymore.

this

Thats my favourite one. I have still installed Q3 and watching this demo from time to time :)

Yep, his self-confident was much more stronger then in my opinion.

As awesome as it is, what cooller pulled of in that infamous telefrag game against cypher until that telefrag happened was even more impressive imo.

Was at some ESWC 2008 event, can't remember which atm.

for duel my favs are stelam vs makaveli on pt4 (wcg2001) and smr.crush3r vs ocr.death on t2 (german wcg2001 quali)

for ctf i'd go with all the mTw vs IQS matches, those have always been exciting

tdm, well, no idea, watched way too many awesome matches (in q3, that is)

crusher vs death :))

i also vividly remember the last game of that tournament, crusher vs hawok on dm6, it was the one game that decided who would take the third and final german spot.

hawok takes the lead and goes from agressive to arrogant, trying to control every item on the map just to fuck with crusher... and of course he pays big time as crusher finds enough time to steal one armor and then ambush hawok to win the game. ohh, the rage and disappointment on irc :D

if i remember correctly nitroforce always managed to fail when they were about to win :>

yeah... and that might have been because they got some friendly help from e[sk]a up until the stage of a tournament were it mattered :D

i know it sounds stupid but früher war eh alles besser :D

cooller vs cypher on dm13 at quakecon

yeah this one was greate too...nothing cypher could do. pure control by cooller.:)

the first thing that popped into my mind when i read the title :)

cooller vs clock dm6...cooller vs socrates dm6...not sure which tourney (s)

czm vs cooller on dm6..loss and win..czm proved u can come back on that map

cooller vs clock http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1277226
cooller vs socrates http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1038308
czm vs cooller http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1282249
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toxjq's win on cooller in dm6 in eswc 2005 I think (might have been 04 note sure). TOTAL DOMINATION by toxjq on one of the best players of dm6.

demo?

Haha! Yea thoose games are Epic :D
I got the demos here somewere, gon upload them


Update:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=F9YM637A
I recommend to watch the games in a numerical order

thank you good sir. have a [+]:)

b100.death vs fatality hub3tourney1.

http://www.cyberfight.org/site/coverage/20/

haha yeah:
"didn't know the map that well"


yes of course you didn't :D

from the man with "practice practice practice" :D!

lol forgot about it, great one idd! :D

404 :(

Cooller-Cypher on nodm9 at ASUS Spring 2009. Not really domination but nervewrecking match:)
Also Jibo-Cypher on t4 from the same tournament.

Of zeh top my mine head:

Aerowalk:
Cypher vs Cooller Quakecon10

ZTN:
cypher vs czm eswc08

DM6:
Rapha vs Spart1e quakecon09
Cypher vs Strenx IEM4(?)

Hektik:
ZeRo4 vs dkt ESL NA

DM13:
Cooler vs Cypher Quakecon10

T4:
Cooller vs Strenx 24 second match (with commentary :D)



There's a shit ton more but can't remember them

DM6:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxSf0hoGLxo

that music was truly AWFUL. very distracting.

that said, nice comeback.

seem to be the best, most dominant win ever?

Hektik:
ZeRo4 vs dkt ESL NA

T4:
Cooller vs Strenx 24 second match

You missed the point :x

True I missread :[

MEH

depends if this is meant to be restricted to QL games.

dm6: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1038308
most amazing and well executed domination of this map i've seen.

the 2nd ztn: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1587448
incredible skills, jibo uses the map to do things i thought were impossible while watching this on gtv. so. crazy. :p

i love this dm14: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=869510
zyz just tearing through ic there.

wcp1: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1004049
thefou was amazing in ctf, more or less random game though.

i can't find a lot of demos on esr, wanted to add some games by stelam for example.

oh yeah that was insane how qlr raped socrates then, he was like the #3 dueler at the time. where did he go :(

Cypher circa 2008, best quake I've ever seen

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hehe true true but i was following q3 since 04! same year i started ut ;p

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whats that? do you ever go on unnorth anymore

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haha fucking hell how could i forget that! my first favourite map too :p

not been on in yrs might check it out

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domination here, the hub game: 1fall.Ash -vs- Lamz.Question from asus autumn 2008 (if this is the right one, can't check, @work atm):
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1635374

Collected some here: http://www.youtube.com/user/un10v3d#grid/user/32CB5BC4B0B7C7BA

Nice!

must be fette, http://q2scene.net/ds/index.php?op=dd3&id=2377

great amazing q2 ctf demo!! Fette (or Fettson?) is a legend in q2 ctf!

q2ctf teh best ctf

k1llsen - rapha on hub and ztn @ cologne

easy question: every of strenx matches...

k1llsen vs cypher on hub at dreamhack 2010 (zadrot ebaniy)
Sickest hub rape on a pro lvl (in ql dunno about q3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm8rSxOMmWA&am...ge#t=1500s

Sadly there was no demo as ql fucked it up ...

Best/worst commentary ever maybe, but I've definitely seen killsen hit sicker rails than in that game. I think Killsen vs Fazz or demon on hektik was way crazier, hitting 70%+.

The first demo I ever watched was lexer vs cha0ticz on dm6; its still one of my favorites and a really good watch; an epic comeback for the time (2002 quakecon iirc?)

coller on dm13 ... controling ALL armors and mega. I forgot who was the oponent. I think it was on DH 2010... not sure tho.

He made me think wow you can do that in a high level play aswell? ... i was amazed.

COLLER
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hmm, who exactly is this coller guy?


i only know a cooller ;)

That must be a match beetwen Jibo-Av3k from ESWC09:
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1623873

I have never seen before and after such play as Jibo demonstrated on dm6, he literally destroys Ave3k.The movement,aim and timing, everything was flawless.If there would be a guide on how to play dm6, then.. this is the match for the books!

yeah jibo was great in the late q3 days. think many missed that

me on thunderstruck anytimes

idd jibo was so sick at the end of q3 especially his shaft at gamegune omg:D never seen better shaft tbh

daler vs zero4, p-t4, CGX

i wonder if anyone received their money from cyber x games yet :D

All*Lakerman-A*Pure*Luck on t4
lakerman-fatal1ty on ztn, XS reality ? (summer 2001)
yep, ZeRo4-vs-Daler on t4, cyberX Games? (January 2004)
fatal1ty-ZeRo4 on d6, qcon 2002
ZeRo4-fox on t4, qcon 2003

all of these old games are good and fun to watch, but I thought this guy was asking for the best play ever? that easily comes down to the Cypher vs rapha set @ last year's MSI Beat It Finals.

I don't know what you think when you do say "best play ever", but in my opinion the fact that now players do aim with a marginal error of below 25% misses on shots is hardly relevant
to me it's like old movies from last century which even if they lack technical capabilities are so much better because they were 1st to come out with stuff; lakerman and thresh back from 2000 and makaveli vs blue on the edge have fuckin historical value
these were the goddamn explorers the Gods of quake, take for example lakerman anticipation on ztn when going into plasma action against Fat-a-Lot
doesn't matter how many more competitions will cypher and rapha win, and how closer and closer to perfection their timing movement and aim will be, in historical perspective their matches are still those of two mortals

totally, completely wrong. lol. guys like fatality did establish a lot of things in early Q3 days, but, if they hadn't, someone else would have. and play pretty much stagnated from that point on. everyone still played the same game until ZeRo4 or cooller came along, but they also just merely expanded on fatality's lead.

cypher and rapha have taken things to a whole new level. the game is completely different now.

you tend to get that when you play the same videogame for 10 years and compare them to people who have played it seriously for half that time and you are still young enough to dedicate huge time to it.

Skill shown in relation to time is the best test of skill.
To me that was 2004/2005.

Yes Rapha and Cypher are better now, but they were not when CZm was in his prime and when CZM has the age advantage.

Not taking anything away from cypher rapha, simply saying AGE is a big factor in how much time you can play, and what you can process in a game.

The fact that CZM did what he did in the game at a relatively early time (Duel+TDM) while at Princeton getting math degree to me makes him the best player. By far.

Cooller won't be so cool when he's playing videogames with children when he hits 30.

so basically cypher and rapha have the best skill, like I said? okay.

so, how about czm saying something along the lines of "I'm in shape, if cypher wins then he's better than I ever was" was all a lie? czm then went on to be absolutely dominated, he looked like a newbie, cypher didn't even have to try.

czm got back into his prime shape, it just wasn't good enough any more, he admitted that. Cooller did it many times, but he had to improve on top of that and it still isn't good enough, the same goes for czm and you'll see it again now as he's moving to Europe, he'll still fall short.

doing what czm did was impressive, no doubt and he is one of the greats, his team efforts keep him up there, but as a duellist he falls short compared to fat, zero4, cooller and now rapha and cypher and probably avek. He only has one winning set over cooller (his prime) and a map cooller and jibo admittedly threw, in fact his winning history doesn't exist compared to any of those guys, duel anyway.

as for his education, he was on servers constantly across the globe playing like a mad man regardless of his ping, he still put in as much effort as anyone, how do you think he got so good at hub? It's all he was doing. Life may have slowed him down here and there but I remember crappy periods from all the current top players with the exception of rapha due to other things in life taking priority.

by your own admission you wasn't around pre 05-03 anyway, so you missed some 4-6 years of quake anyway most of which was its most active period.

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as for best ever, well skill wise it is without a doubt a toss up between cypher and rapha. Most influential is a hard one, probably cooller.

hi aaron.

why are you not on irc?

well, given the complete faggots (captain fucking price) in #feelosophical I don't blame you

why are you not on irc?

well, given the complete faggots (captain fucking price) in #feelosophical I don't blame you

ahahah

I'm in #faggots on qnet. the intellectual elite in #feelosophical kicked me out. I still own the domain name WWW.FEELOSOPHICAL.COM however. btw cptprice aka elwzer is an autistic retard.

was trying to place czm and his winnings and had to double check his history. it's hard to remember that shit and didn't want to come across biased because I've never been a fan.

he's had just two international duel wins, quakecon 04 and cpl winter 06. That doesn't even begin to compare to fatality, zero4, cooller and now rapha and cypher.

it must suck that the one event also included a 'fixed' game (jibo vs cooller)

he's had some other top placings but against weak competition or he was beat out by the likes of fatality, zero4, lexer, lakerman and so on. Then the 'prime' years come by and he ended up with even match wins against the player he had already won much more, went on to win more and is still a top 4 player (cooller)

he's a great without a doubt but 2 duel wins, and a draw tie in games against the other top player of the time doesn't cut it into being greatest, ever.

zero4 vs fox t4, qcon 2003 best pt4 match ever period -a fine unequally example of STYLE and SKILL

fatal1ty did not come again and again and prove the gap is not there? did zero4 not almost win qcon 2008? and then after qlive with its different settings (invalidating superawesome RG z4's skill, pushing matches into defensive mod and pushing the game more into mathematical anticipation than real skill -mathematical anticipation would not need playing the game at all with the same result, after all- and so on) got widely accepted in its newer form (a different game -your words -because it is different indeed) and then players started to win by baseing their game on games lacks -matches right now are in such way that the one who makes less mistakes usually wins -of course that z4's style and skill together can no cope anymore -not to mention that sometimes it is harder to forget something than to learn something new

if we'd have a time machine to be able to teleport best q3 players of all times when they were at their peak and put them together to play all mods they played or some new unified quake version, the results would come quite unexpected

your posts, as usual, are really hard to read and kind of crazy. yea, ZeRo4 almost won quakecon 2008, I guess, when the game was new for everyone.

you seriously think that 2000-2005 skill can compete with the top players now? no way. czm isn't, is he? if I recall correctly, ZeRo4 was pretty awful when he came back. he simply improved.

may be nostalgia but i actually think czm is worse now than in 2005 :s the skill level has definitely increased though, especially on aerowalk. no one will ever dominate that map like he did ever again

I tend to agree with this. I love watching the old matches (~ 2000 or so) but can't help but feel that today's bests are sooo much better than the best of 10 years ago.

Also, though, this makes watching czm and zero4 play now very interesting.

basically, any early pro-q3dm6 game from cooller

people knew that map was fucked but after eswc 2003 and his socrates and zero4 games, everyone followed that armour running and people realised that the first few spawns meant an awful lot

the only thing that changed was delaying items to off set the times because nothing else could be done

and just about anything from zero4 on pt4

Cypher raping Jibo in ZTN - ICC (Intel Challenge Cup 2008) event!

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1643149

Cypher reaches a other skill level to play this map!

fox vs lugia @ dreamhack on cpm22 is really nice

Rapha vs Cypher on t9 @ IEMWC2010

Rapha played a perfect game for nearly 9minutes if I remember correctly.

got a quick link to a demo/VOD if I don't manage to find it in the 30 seconds I look after I click "Post?"
edit (approx 43 seconds later): is this the one?

Nah that is from Dubai.

Here are the demos:
http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season4/hann.../17484213/

Vod here:
http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/view/22012

thanks. ugh.. the VOD is slow as crap and unwatchable, and those demos don't exist anymore. :/

aha. I think I may have found it here: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1847755