Here's what I've learnt:

Generally, I like to think higher hardware sensitivity (even if you scale it back in software) gets you more precise results, and this is true 90% of the time with optical sensors. The Abyssus is optical.

You may, however, experience increased acceleration and may have to reduce cl_mouseaccel to scale with increasing DPI. I had to do this when increasing the DPI on my MX 518, so just saying.

400/450 is the uniform safe point, and this is in large part due to laser sensors. If the sensor has trouble with lift-off, a high DPI setting can magnify the lift-off glitch and completely throw off your aim when you lift the mouse during a chase or a respawn. This "throw-off" results in the camera locking 90 degrees up or down, and requires you to lift the mouse again to correct the position. With a low DPI, lift-off anomalies are small(er) on laser mice, so it's safer and far more consistent. (High DPI may also magnify jitter, again a problem with many laser mice and cloth pads.)

interesting.

I would like to know if 3500dpi gives me a SIGNIFICANT advantage or if it's just marketing bullshit.

I'm not playing with mouseaccel and I come from a kinzu @ 800dpi. I know that cypher and probably even cooller play with 450dpi.

3500dpi might give you a more precise mouse but is it really worth it ? Like i said, is it really a significant advantage or just gimmick ?

"I'm not playing with mouseaccel and I come from a kinzu"

Paradox. Kinzu has acceleration in hardware.

the higher the resolution and the higher the sensitivity you use the more dpi you need so it won't skip.

phoon.us/mouse

has the calculator for it

Best aimers in the world use 10 dolla mice with like 400-800 Dpi.

It's more a significant disadvantage IMO.

I prefer the feel of higher dpi myself. It's more of a feeling thing than an advantage thing, since it's really hard to move your mouse so little that 3500dpi will make a difference vs say 800dpi.

And 450dpi will not be enough for playing games at large resolutions when your sensitivity isn't quite low.

Anyway, I use Abyssus with 3500dpi. Works and aims fine, as evident from my rail aim.

Exactly, like I suggested. All you have to do is reduce sens and accel in software, accordingly.

In theory (if the sensor is not faulty, and it's not interpolating the high DPI), this will result in slightly more precision, but probably not enough to really detect in any way.

the heartless should not ask such foolish questions. then again, you are the old heartless so we forgive you.

It's all marketing BS unless you want 5cm/360 at 2560x1536 or something.

Using more than 400-450 with your res is an absolute waste even with a high sens tbh.

Also, high res + low DPI doesn't mean you'll "skip", I'm pretty sure injx explained that.

stop pretending you're not jamerio!

stop pretending you're that stupid

in game res has nothing to do with mouse dpi

was discussed a thousand fucking times

inb4 "pixel skipping bs theories"

in game mouse movement is counted in degrees not in pixels

so, 450dpi is enough for everything right ?

high dpi is all marketing ?

its enough for quake in any possible res for sure

might be not enough for some ultra high res cad shit or something but for quake 400 is all u need

At 1680*1050 (typical 120hz LCD native res), you're losing pixel accuracy with even 20cm/360 @ 400dpi.

LCDs have one pixel as the smallest possible displayable unit, so your monitor's resolution matters.

tl;dr dpi over 400 is useful for LCDs.

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You're an idiot.

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I do even worse than that (1080p + 400dpi + about 20cm/360) and according to phoon.us I could benefit from 200 more DPI.
I tried playing with a lower res for a while and with higher DPI as well and it was absolutely not better in any way, the difference must be fucking negligible for a human being. Since I'm used to 400dpi for the desktop, 2d games and RTSes/RPGs I just don't bother using any other value.

Can you honestly move your mouse from one pixel to the other with such a sens? (if so, I envy you) With a super low sens I guess it's possible but then even 400dpi is enough for a high res monitor.

Even if your sensitivity was 5cm/360, the effects would not be big enough for you to actually miss any shot you would otherwise hit with any statistical significance. In terms of game performance in regard to how accurately you can move your mouse, 400 dpi does not matter. It's not going to make you miss more.

But the effects on smoothness should be noticeable, at least they are for me. Though being at work, I can easily move my mouse less distance than it takes for my pointer to jump a pixel in Windows.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2091311#pid2091311

so you're contradicting yourself?

About smoothness, the only thing I notice is the difference between mouse sensors and the USB hz. And also the difference between LCDs that skip frames at a refresh rate higher than 60 and those that do not.

No.

Not having enough dpi for your sensitivity and resolution will result in a loss of accuracy and smoothness whichever way you want to cut it.

But for practical purposes, whether you stop your mouse on a specific pixel or the one next to it will not make you miss your shot 99,99.. percent of the time.

(edit) The main difference is similar to a movie encoded with 24fps and 40fps.

Are they both functionally the same, as in you get an illusion of motion in both cases? Yes. But most people will still "feel" one to be more fluid than the other.

So you're agreeing with therm then.

Edit : the difference between 24 and 40 fps is actually extreme and there is a HUGE difference on panning shots for example where 24 isn't sufficient and there is a huge loss of details (should I say accuracy? movement resolution?).

Not that I don't get what you're saying but I really doubt it is that bad with mice.

No, because he dismissed the idea that you can skip pixels, not the idea that the practical difference is too small to have an effect on your accuracy.

I'm 100% sure injx said that you don't "skip" pixels on a 3d shooter because it's calculated in degrees.

the lower your sensi is the less dpi you'll need and vice vers ca iirc

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yeah I said that, so?

you proly don't understand why would 1800 dpi be useful

http://phoon.us/mouse/#dpi

try playing with 400 dpi and a 10cm/360 sensi with an eyefitnit 3xmonitor setup

yes, every gamer has 3 monitors

Yeah, I mean all the serious matches are played on an eyefinity setup with 3 x 30" 60hz LCDs at 2560x1536.

it's not like those are using fov 90

With my abyssus.
I always played quake live with 450 dpi (no razer driver, just Microsoft intellimouse driver installed from my previous Microsoft mouse).
I tried to use 1800 dpi ...

So i divised by 4 my sensibility.

My impression is, 1800 dpi is more smooth for this mouse !.
This is like playing at 500 mz instead of using 125 hz (default value).

Just my impression, i use 800 x 600 as resolution btw.
Maybe it is just placebo, but after trying to get back at 450 dpi, i really don't like 450 dpi anymore, so i stay at 1800 dpi.

Higher DPI means your mouse position is gettin refreshed more often, whis in theory is good, but tbh it gives you less space for aiming errors... your hand wont be as precise as your mouse sensor...

thus playing with more than 800 is quite stupid, however some ppl prefer it...


AND resolution got nothing to do with dpi, ffs people get common sense :X

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nice bait