fast paced skillful play is gud

cess isnt, its like watching ca, die/spawn/spam/die

didnt see the games, so dont know where they fit between these 2

*PACED not past ffs

People will ALWAYS complain about either +forward css or +back faggotrailwhoring or something. No point in asking
also, fail ps, the icemat should be vertical.

I must be getting too old for quake because I wasn't too excited about anything regarding dreamhack.

Pretty lol how the team of sluts won tdm.

dunno, personally I like dm20, awesome map for spectator POV, not really that strategical and positional as other maps, but instead showing extreme amount of micro-teamplay, zone coordination as well as lots of raw aim skills and 24/7 battles which is $$$ to watch.
the only disappointing thing is that it was a surprising decider pick with too predictable result concerning that hitscan aim abilities of coman are really on a whole another level being dominant there and their dm20 'warmup' happening twice on the same day which clearly showed their abilities there

but instead showing extreme amount of micro-teamplay, zone coordination as well as lots of raw aim skills and 24/7 battles which is $$$ to watch.

personally i find that rather boring to watch over 20 mins straight and its not like other maps dont showcase this aspects of tdm aswell

It's a well designed map though, I'd say my favourite room is that wide open one with the curved upper pathway. Y'know, that one

The one with the floor and the little thing coming out the other thing?

That's the one

I always preferred that map with the jump-pad that goes up to that thing with the other thing where you can control the map

thats true and i like palying it in freezetag or ffa a lot but the tdm gameplay is just so shallow on it

THAT'S ALL OF THEM.. oh, wait, ... [+]

thats why duel is so much better: aim is not key factor of game :{D

Why no aim is better?

didnt say no aim is better... tbh aim players are my favs <3

duel is just more complicated, cause you dont need to aim like strenx to actually beat him in a duel... tdm is much more aim based

TDM is not really aim-based, it just happens that current TDM champions are also very good aimers (just as strenx winning all the zotacs doesn't mean duel is aim-based also), but if you have good teamplay and strategy, you can win without out-aiming. And, for example, colwn won vs Reason also because they out-teamplayed them, not simply because of aim.

both finals were awesome
colwn teamplay was as good as their players' aim
/thread

i wish map tornado would be used more. Especialy now that CG was removed.

Torando is like a bigger dm20 with two PUs

With retarded Q2 style boxes with all the weapons on top of them so that it's irritating to play

Yeah, good idea ¬_¬

... i would say its only a matter of practise and if your a quaker, practise is everything u need.

q2 was better at everything than q3, cept the shitty netcode :|

GJ were talking Quake Live then bro ;]

mouse wmo, mousepad some icemat brand? looks like tox setup =)

the thing is, its just too easy to have super aim in that game. The models move too slow and its hard to make surprises because of footsteps, and the most fantastic moves is blocked by the slow weaponswitch and slow weapons. The game limits the players in so many ways it looks generic as a spectator.

yes could not agree more.

the problem is that instant switch looks either super oldschool ( qw ) or plain retarded ( cpm's lg to rail to something to liam's pic ) from an outsider's pov.

Why would an outsider find cpm's lg to rail retarded?

makes it look like no matter the position you're in you can ninja something out of your sleeve.

I think an outsider would just be impressed at the combos, it's the quake player who would be mindful of the fact that you'd no longer have to prepare the right weapons for the fights :)

I've heard it from non quakers aswell but yeah, that might be some vq3 influence sneaking up in my post.

so basically some CPM player says: it's stupid because it's not CPM?

if jamerio is stupid, he's at least right about one thing.. CPM players are failed VQ3 players. just because VQ3 takes forethought in terms of positioning and weapon selection doesn't mean it's bad. that's why cypher and rapha win fights and other random players don't. and that's why rapha is competitive even though his aim overall isn't as good as cypher's.

CPM never made any sense to me anyway. seriously, what is the depth of CPM gameplay?

instant switch does not really assure you dont need "forethought in terms of positioning and weapon selection", you made a big oversimplification.

Also aim is an intrinsic part of any fps game, aim ALWAYS helps irrespective of what gameplay cpm / vq3/ ql / anything, a clone of rapha with 5 percent more acc on all guns > current rapha.

wow, that last sentance is full of bullcrap...

after hitbox update raphas acc's went up, while more aimbased players still hit same acc[not much too improve i guess]

is rapha still as dominant as he was before update? no... why? he can hit more than he was used to... any reasons? :>

Yes, rapha is as dominant as ever. get a clue. The only difference I saw was cypher hitting way more lg / rails even from positions where earlier he used to not even pick fights.

rapha dominant atm? :DdDdDdDdDdDdDdDdD

he was winning EVERY single lan final there was, and now he struggles to get into final

does dominant mean not losing at all ?

u missed one hitbox change that occured 2-3 months ago?

he was losing now and then before hitbox change and even now, dont see hitbox change has affected rapha.

no no no... how many lan finals rapha won in first 6 months of 2010?

cause in 2k11, after hitbox change, he didnt win even one

there has been just 2 lan finals in 2011 so far, the sample size used in your study is astounding.

dont avoid the question...

how many lan finals rapha won in 2k10?

2010:
won 2 major international lans (IEM world and MSI invitational)
lost 2 major international lans (quakecon and Dreamhack winter)

u still wanna continue this bro?

nice editing... suddenly hes not qc2k10 winner? :{D

anyway he lost 2 big lans last year... hes going to win every single lan there is till end of year? unlikely

i edited out the sarcastic sentence "like he won quakecon 2010 even before hitbox change?" realizing you dont have a sarcasm detector.

ye ye sarcasm - best excuse for being clueless

lolumadbro?

Are you saying hitting more shots has made him a worse player?

kinda :{D

Fair enough mate, fair enough

lol

That could be true. Say rapha takes a lg battle cuz hes more confident in his aim, instead of doing the old +back rocket for 100 damage, he tries lg, then cypher switches to rocket and owns him, instead of being an equal rocket fight.

Or rapha is hitting insane rails, the first rail he hits, is good but the reload time gives cypher enough time to rj away into a teleporter.

The usual rapha would have caught cypher closer with rockets to not let him escape, but his increased rail accuracy made him rail cypher instead.

This changes up his overall game. Old rapha relying on strats instead of aim was harder to attack and harder to run from.

it wasn't even meant to be a simplification, let alone na oversimplification. of course, even in CPM, if you have the right weapon choices, you will win fights, because no matter how fast switching weapons is, it's still slower than not switching at all. that doesn't invalidate the fact that this is more emphasized in VQ3 and results in more significant rewards and penalties.

as for the aim part, I'm not sure if that's meant to be a reply to me. of course aim matters in an FPS, both in VQ3 and CPM.

the only good thing in cpm is movement... faster movement - more fun

You could say the same between cs and ql doesnt mean its better, i mean u get hit with a spam rocket in ql and its like, o he cant attack now for 2mins till get manages to avoid the other player and get 200 armour, yes very tactical but very dull too, ive given up ql cos my ADD takes over and i end up doing stupid shit out of boredom :/

that' not your ADD, that's you being a cpm player by heart.

Yeah I do have the same feeling sometimes :(. Especially when i face a rocket only player on ztn and I'm not in the mood to play carefully => rage :/