A buddy of mine has 10-20 ms and he warps in both 1.6 and ql. He is using win 7 for a few months now and I think this might be the problem as he never has warped/lagged in the past five years before.
He doesn't lag in skype/vent nor does he notice the little warp himself.

nor does he notice the little warp himself.

I know, every warper that fits the scenario (stable ping, microwarps) tells me the same. Must be that they have packetloss when sending packets to the server but not when receiving them. I'm no network specialist, how is that even possible (on an unaltered connection)?

His connection is still the same and it hasn't changed since I know him. The only thing which has changed was win 7.

perhaps windows 7 intercepts the packets and delays them, causing minor stuttering?

Your client predicts your own movements.
As long as the server doesn't force it back into another state your could plug your stereo in your modem and blast gabber through the pipes, wouldn't change shit on your screen.

I get that, but my question is how that's possible. I mean, incoming and outcoming packets are routed through the same servers on the same physical lines. Or am I wrong?

dunno.

Even if that's the case, if the routeurs are set to chop/regulate traffic on the way up but let everything go down properly it would work for that guy.

no, you're not wrong. essentially, anyway.

there is no guarantee that they do use the same line. But in general it should often be the case.

I have the same thing. Allthough not always and I haven't heard anyone calling me a warper for months.

I used to have it quite often a while ago. I didn't notice anything, but apparently I warped. Weird.

try cg_lagometer. if both lines are clean its win7 (some version?)problem.

I stopped playing months ago for this exact reason.

My personal suggestion:

3. Play something else

check back once per year if they have solved it.

There are other fast paced games out there:

Urban Terror
CPMA
Warsow
etc

3. Play something else

people who dont warp are the ones that have it good, take my words for it

You say that, because you haven't experienced lging someone while they warp from jumppad in t4 all the way to the upper slide door and get a rocket to your face, that you don't see, because of the warp.

I literally gave up on this game, because of it, now all i play is cpma, warsow and urban terror.
At least those games have almost no warpers.

Warpers don't need Personal Teleport powerup.

well your right iv never tried to lg a warper going up a jumppad on t4 because theres no lg there...

but also your wrong because iv played against alot of people who jitter exactly like i do, i dont find it any harder to hit them

t4 @ CA

newsflash: only complete noobs play t4 ca

Thank you so much for warning me, you saved my life!

this is you attacking quad on cpm4a

http://youtu.be/aB8gtcU8rPw?t=7m56s

this is you and a few others http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DksSPZTZES0

and this is me after the first 20 rage comments http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m25Y2GI1jlQ

so you play the guitar??

no, he play the guitar with his boyfriend.

Depends on if they feel their own warp imo. I've just played someone who heavily warped. He told me that his lagometer is clean and he doesn't notice any warp. Its obviously an advantage in that case.

You dont warp you jitter so you have it doubly good

yea course i do, i mean i fuckin love it when i try to rocket jump and my rocket goes thru the floor or i do a jump and it doesnt register, or maybe after 6pm were my ping jitters so much i cant use a plasma gun anymore...

or wait maybe i have it doubly good when i try to find a TDM game and people refuse to play against me, or when some league adds a new rule that if you warp, you get default loss....

or MAYBEEEEE its all the whine i get EVERY FUCKING GAME, dunno you tell me

Well the last time I saw you on server your ping was jumping between 50-65 if I recall correctly. That's not what I am talking about. Recently I had an opponent in tdm pickup with ping 18-20, 43% lg, 29lg kills on cpm4 and warping like a cunt. Worst thing is, they don't notice warp themselves/don't believe others and think that they are good.

People refuses to play against you because you are a warping cunt, not solely because you warp.

gettin personal now chicken wing

Way to prove my point.

lower client prediction to 10 or 20ms instead of 1000 a whole second, when the next snapshot is synced, players wont warp to the correct server position,

Never EVER play someone on virgin media.
They ever warp like captain kirk and are pretty annoying to hit, or they merely jitter but hitscans won't register shit.

protip : the lagometer only shows what happens from the server to the player, not the upload.

I only played warpy Germans today actually.. wont flame anyone if I see that he has 10+ ms ping jitter because he'll suffer from that like I do.
lg not registering correctly is one thing. Playerlean showing they move right, and next split second they are left is the other thing. Freaks me out :x

because he'll suffer from that like I do.

no he won't. The problem is on the way up, not on the way down. He might have a 10 ms delay in some of his orders but he'll still see you flawlessly.

so fucking true... i have a mate on virgin media with 40ms jitter and he can see me flawlessly also saying that it i couldnt hit him because of his dodge. you can spot everyone who uses virgin media, join an uk server, 20ish ms ping and warping like mad....

lol i get exact same complaints, virgin media is crap :(

tbh I dont know if its virgin media only, but I havent played a single brit that doesnt warp

and I dont know if this is what you mean by microwarps but very often they dont warp visibly but you can just forget about hitting them with lg/rg

that's pretty much it.

People either warp in a very obvious way ( the good old on/off thing ) or they jitter very slightly but they don't seem to be out of your crosshair. They're the worse as they have autododge : you can't hit shit yet have no idea where to shoot cause your aim doesn't seem off. Positive timenudge doesn't help at all, they're still going wack.

I don't mind heavy warpers as they are easier too hit, especially when they freeze in the air for a second :P Those autododgers are the problem and I can't believe that this is impossible to fix by altering the netcode.

I dont warp thanks, uk is full of chavs who get ghetto virgin media connects instead of paying extra for entranet...

we cant get better ones because all the darkies take all the jobs

i am on virgin media and people say i warp all the time, so annoying.

know any fix?

this is true actually.

hi :)

<3

They should create servers:

1. Only for warpers
2. Only for cheaters
3. For people that do neither

If they do that then i wouldn't mind paying 20 euros a month, even if they do no updates.

3 obviously.

ppl warp in all games. same in cs , css and so on.
its client side shit. connection problem. I am sure, cg_lagometer should show not clean lines (not with red spikes), but thin lines or something. if player doesnt feel it, it's advantage for him for sure.
But I don't often find warping players, so try other server with other players. And often, players who warp, are totaly lamers, coz they can't fix lag and they don't care. so it's easy to kill them.

btw check ur settings. try some player cfg. timenudge etc..

I have to disable timenudge otherwise their warp is way worse. Which pisses me off as I want -20 tn when playing on 45ms.

But I don't often find warping players, so try other server with other players.

I already avoid playing ffa, instagib and certain names in tdmpickup. Seems like I need to start dueling again because ca is flooded by warpers now too (had a warper in the enemy team in 7 of 10 games yesterday..).

Maybe forcing cl_packetdup on for those who have packetloss and enabling cg_smoothclients in QL would help a little.

positive timenudge is there to smooth out players.... negative makes em warp more.

I wouldn't recommend either though.

Ok, where do I start? Right. Basically I'm sharing my connection and people on servers complain that I warp. For me everything seems fine, I'm not aware that I'm warping.
That's the first impression, in reality I can't hit shit, my aim is off and hitboxes also.
One day, I was able to turn off internet for everyone else that I'm normally sharing with. At that time I played on ffa server struggling to hit 30% shaft and I thought it's my bad day, then as I went to shut down internet for them I was able to see that only 1 guy had torrent with few kilos up and down. When I was back in the game it felt superb, now 40% LG was easy, game felt very responsive, it was like night and day.
Warpers seem to have advantage but in reality they don't. It's shit for them also but they don't see warping enemies that all.

what you fail to notice is that you suddenly get hit by other players as well. While when you have bittorrents on running on a low kb/s you are completely unhittable. The only way in which you can't notice this is if your dodging/movement is so bad that you get hit even when you warp like crazy.

Conclusion: your dodging is shit and your aim is ok.

sorry but you can't generalize on your own experience...

there are warpers that experience the game flawlessly, ie. 40% acc but to everyone else they are really hard to hit.

im on vmedia and dont warp ;x

sucks to be you

im on virgin media and do warp/jitter (apparently). i see nothing my end just whiney bitches on servers.

tbh i think its an attitude thing. if im doing well people whine. if im not doing well i hear nothing.

When you are doing well, you are probably playing tier2 players!

playing your mum more like.

ROFL! nice comeback!

thx

Least you admit it doesnt effect you unlike some...

mostly dont notice. sometimes virgin give me an extra special internet evening with pings ranging from 30 to 120! how awesome is that!

cl_timenudge 20

doesn't this makes th enemy more overhead, or does it just makes th einterpolations more often?

totaly confused...

it waits for more info from the server to draw the changes on your screen.
helps to smoothen people but you get some virtual delay ( not lag ).

Negative timenudge does the opposite, waits for less info and tries to draw stuff faster, even if it has to be snapped back when you actually receive the data.

The uk warpers should try a good ISP for a while; one that supplies to all areas is aquiss, http://www.aquiss.net/broadband-gaming.php . They even offer a free trial (1 month contract anyway) so you can give it a go then find you wouldnt ever want to go back to the old :p Ive tried the usual virgin, plusnet, orange, sky etc but its the only place for a solid lagometer:

cheshire -> maidenhead pingtest.net
cheshire -> frankfurt pingtest.net

def.

oh and by solid i mean:

my lagometer

:)

doesn't mean shit, the lagometer only shows stuff on the way down.

afaik the top line = what the server sends and you receive and bottom line = what you send (aka what the server receives)

Messing around with snaps and cl_maxpackets, this seems to be true.

nope

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagometer

Okayz, but the bottom bar still tells you how stable or unstable your ping is (and that's both up and down), although you can't tell whether it's you or the server who has issues.

In his case it does show a solid connection between him and the server anyway.

it does show that from the server to his machine everything is fine, yes.

The bottom line is the ping so that's both ways, not just from the server to the client as you're saying.
If I fuck up my upload, even slightly, the bottom line of the lagometer doesn't look fine anymore and has waves and possibly red lines or yellow as well.

If I change my maxpackets, the bottom line looks different as well. And maxpackets is what the client is sending so the lagometer does show something.

fps100/packets100 =
http://i.imgur.com/62VIg.jpg

fps125/packets 62.5 =
http://i.imgur.com/ppeci.jpg

weird

ping is, by definition, round trip time.
Aka the time between the packet gets send and the time an acknowledgement of recieving the packet has been recieved. (TCP/IP)

no shit.

The problem is that it clashes with all the doc I could find on the lagometer.

goes to show that you can find everything on the web. Either right or wrong it's on there... somewhere.
Because no matter what messed up idea you've had, theres a huge idea some other guy with no clue has thought up the same and threw it online.
That being said I never really looked into how the lagometer is drawn, but ping is round trip time + I would have no clue how else to do this as in theory the server and client are not running in sync.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ping
"In various network multi-player games, the server notes the time it requires for a game packet to reach a client and a response to be received. This round-trip time is usually reported as the player's 'ping'. It is used as an effective measurement of the player's latency, with lower ping times being desirable. Note that this style of ping typically does not use ICMP packets."

it seems that it is round trip time but the other way.

"round trip time but the other way."
uh

round usualy implies that it doesn't matter much which way you're going ;)

Theres pings above that mate (showing average round trip). Unless you have a suggestion for a better way?

needs mwoar pings