+1.

15 step program. I'm pretty sure no one has succeeded in something this massive.

You got the order of priorities wrong.

Tier Balancing
Ladder
LAN
GTV
Stream advertising, Or even intergrate streaming into GTV so the caster can be heard by everyone in spec and they have control over your your POV.

How dull. I can't stand any more. Ignore.

make everything about you, how sad.

Hey dont be rude with tIgnore, hes so smart he cant read our silly comments ;)

First of all we need someone who's gonna listen to these ideas, will do some communication and will have enough wits to find out why is QL losing players. Someone who will actually care. Unlike SyncError.

Yep, it would be great if Sync would just acknowledge the requests that are being made from the community, even if it was "fuck off it isn't happening" would be better than complete ignorance!

I try to talk to him about everything online/emails/irc, i don't even stalk him i just ask him politely, nigga never ever says shit. He needs to be replaced badly.

While i don't want to defend the lack of input id and specifically SyncError has made during QuakeLive, i do believe if he had the information for us i am sure he would share it.

When i think back to his 'role' during Quake4, he was very good at liaising with the community but that was when he had something to say. Its quite possible that he isn't allowed to share what he does know with us.

I do think they need to tell us something! and if there is nothing, then give us the game back and let the community help develop the shit out of it much like we did in Quake 3.

Seriously. Would it take so much time to write down some info to the community once in two weeks to tell us whats the QL team up to, quote some of the opinions, critism, ideas and respond to them? To show us that he (they) actually cares about what the players want? No, it wouldnt. And ffs, that should be part of his job.

The Ql team is small, alright, but apparently he still has the time for twitter updates and for responding to random shit @ ql forums.

And he had plenty of time back then to promise us that QL is gonna be as good as cpma, with all the features, and no, not just that, plenty of new shiny stuff and new juicy maps. And all the things when u buy a pro account...man oh man, so awesome its gonna be. And the best thing about all that is theyre gonna do what WE will want.

Defending that prick is a waste of words.

blame arqon

I am not defending SyncError or id, i am just saying its not necessarily a case of him refusing to share information with us because he is "shit at his job" or any other reason, based on his efforts in quake 4 i can only imagine he has been asked not to.

However i agree that they should be listening to the community more and also transparency with information on the updates/features they are looking to add. At the moment all of their updates appear geared towards minor bug fixes and cvars rather than actually re-addressing the missing features which could help put this game back on track. A bit of conversing with the community who take part in leagues/cups and even mr social, or even just reading these threads might help them open their eyes.

we've waited 3 years for him to communicate. his time is up

the number 1 thing that needs to be done is lan servers for pro accounts end of story

everytime i read whatnot i heard in my mind in raphas voice

hehe, i read this with the voice of epic mealtime guy :P

Jamalz for Syncerror, id! Especially i like the part where community (prem/pros) finally can influent at the fucking game. If u can't do it, let the people who care do it *for their own money*, this is how we love quake, yeah.

quakelive needs self sustaining team-based ladders that existing clans can join - built into the browser and made accessible through a single button on the front page (that way a casual player would see that quakelive is more than just a pub game)

MVD is a must too

18. make the game not be a bouncy boring piece of shit

Btw, does ID have some kind of email for feedback/support? Maybe would be worth the try to spam some of our opinions there about how Ql is handled and how SyncError is fulfilling his job.

I think its support@quakelive.com - the forums are pointless as its full of retards like Yakumo locking every semi-negative/useful post.

Thanks, but I had something different on my mind - I think it's completely useless to write anything to anyone from the ID quakelive team. Be it forums or their support.
What I wanted was an email adress to someone from ID, but outside this QL team. General feedback or something. Couldnt find anything on the ID website.

contact zenimax, bethesda's parent company.

no that's just ordus' email inbox.....

syncerror's superiors are :

1. marty stratton
2. todd hollenshead

start there first. if they don't listen, then they're just as naive as bethesda

i love the way you present these ideas ahahaha, some good ones in there even if they have been said before. good comprehensive list overall and I agree it would help qlive.

And actually not that hard to implement.

the only reason i'm not paying is because i can not play every day because of work... if i could pay by the hours i play, would be much better..

lol
why write this? it's not like ID doesn't know what they should do IF they want QL back alive.
the question is, do they want it?

I think in their case it might be both apathy and ignorance.

Grats on making a list of things that you can't/won't do.

you seem to love the word "shit"

I actually don't swear irl. My granny taught me not to swear and act nice. So online i type what i actually think in my head. I swear like a motherfucker in my head.

fy;ga tl;dr

If I wanted my comeback i'd wipe it off of your moms chin.

suck me beautiful.

im not sure if tiers for ffa/team modes are best

its always cool to play with uber players and then want to become pro 2

or to have clans with mixed skilled players all able to play together against a random amount of good and bad players

idk, i guess im just a fan of the old server style of gaming, more community-ish than this "room" type we got now.

On the plus side, that's one of the most in-depth ways of oranizing the changes to be made on QL. Props to you.

On the down side, its another thread that contains ideas (pretty much all of them) that ppl have said that won't go anywhere until id actually does something. Nothing we say means shit until the decision-maker over QL decides to 1. communicate with us, and 2. acknowledge these things we've all said over and over and actually implement them.

Good ideas, not sure about the step order

just play quake3 ffs. The people who don't feel concerned about the state of ql won't fall back on q3 but I doubt we'd be missing anyone.

fuck off, we look to the future, to progress. We shouldn't have to fall back like this. We need to charge ahead, forge a new destiny and direction for quake. Fuck all you niggas, back up plans are for batman, I'm going all in with quakelive.

have fun playing the worst iteration of quake ever released and have fun bitching for support that will never come.

pessimist prick, you only look for arguments cuz you're bored. You don't give a fuck about quake and we all know it. Go argue with some christians about christ or some shit, i'm here for quake.

just add " live " after quake and you'll make a touch more sense.

You're already several steps back by using QL.

actually a lot of the american elites are talking about moving back to quake 4.... not quake 3

Lan would be $$$$$ but i think thay cant do it. why? Becouse evryone will be playing on own servers by hamatchi or just host it in internet with premium maps = no more money to ID als peopla will start to making new modes like in q3a

sad but true

please put this on the front page.

still i'm sure id software doesn't care

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they don't and most people are starting to realize it
http://imageshack.us/f/13/iddoesntcare.jpg/
http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php...s-about-QL

Quake Live is done. I mean, it'll still be around, and the 10k dedicated players will still be playing. But as a game hoping for popular appeal, it's done. Even as a game hoping for just a few new players its done. All that stuff on the list? That should have been there from launch, when 2 million people were trying this game. Now though? None of that stuff will make a difference. New players aren't coming, and the ones that lasted this long will remain no matter what.

The only step id needs to think about is how to keep the game profitable after losing a large chunk of their subscription base.

The genius of it is that the quakelive team did such a shit job of advertising quake the first time we went out of beta, that many casuals don't even know we exist. If we implement the shit i said above + do a 'QuakeLive is now FREE to play, exiting the beta' only like 50 ppl would know we're lying our asses off.

We can sell that shit easily

1. Back to CPMA
2. ?????
3. PROFIT!

back to cpma to have the genre die like a bitch, sure if quakelive does die i'll be owning you again in cpma. However i want quakelive to thrive and succeed, not die in a ditch because of mismanagement. I want quake to become like counterstrike. CS is shit why can't glorious quake which is infinitely better become as big or bigger?

By playing Quakelive, we support Quake. And we also show that were a band of dumb consumers, who let bullshit themselves and now are contect with a 12 years old game, developed by a bunch of arrogant faggots. (...who probly never heard of OSP or CPMA, or I cant imagine why would have they lost so much time and money by messing up with1999 baseq).

CS is in decline, so why would you want that? SCBW/SC2 would be a better example, but that's a pipe dream.

while i normally agree with most everything you say, stopping dissenters sounds like a dicatorship. If id did everything else on that list, people wouldn't need to complain. Silencing them only adds to their frustration and causes more rage. The coolout's aren't the problem. They are merely voicing their opinion. What you're suggesting, based on what i read in that first paragraph is to moderate fhe forums even harder, that hard core moderation already brought the activity in that forum from 300 to 100 (2/3's) at any given point in the day. You want more forum participation, not less.

Back to even shitter netcode and other bugs? nothx

Rofl. Used to play cups on ping 90 back @ cpma, np. Also, what bugs? Give it a try sometimes, ql noob.

I've played it. Did you have a point?

Then I assume your previous post was a troll attempt.

Nah, people going inside walls and railing through walls doesn't really strike me as a fantastic netcode. Plus the fact that there's 30x network cvars that are bs anyways (laghax, xerp - seriously wtf?).

I agree it's fun to play and all but it's not really suitable for comp as it is super inaccurate. Altho in CPMA netcode is more like "forgiving" as QL tends count hits as misses, CPMA does the opposite.

finger slipped. Oh well you could use the %% anyway c:

Excuse me? Rails through walls? I have never seen that - as opposed to ql's rails through OPPONENTS, which I see quite often. Wanna know something else I've never seen in cpma - hitting an enemy who just hid behind a corner. So don't be telling me that cpma registers misses as hits. Also, those cvars - they're there so you can turn off something you don't like(unlike QL). Even OSP netcode is better than QL netcode.

I super wery extremely rarely see shots going through or hitting when they're not supposed to myself when I play QL. I've experienced it on higher pings though but I'll rather take that than the super bullshit shots I've made in CPMA where the opponent has been completely out of my vision yet taking a hit from RG or when projectile weapons have registered direct hits like the enemy's hitbox was the size of fucking Texas. There's also a shitload of prediction errors in CPMA caused by sloppy programming. If you're blinded enough to not see the flaws then maybe you're dumb enough to keep playing that crap.

k

We should just implement all our ideas into Q3. Better than banging our heads against a wall.

Add Red Rover, forget about gay Freeze Tag = win.

I agree with this thread.

I think we need 20 more of these threads.

We all know what's needed, it's just never going to get done :(

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http://imageshack.us/f/508/noadvertising.jpg/
http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php...-unpopular

Taken from the QL forums, not from people who dont play the game! :O

i was agreeing with you.... that ql needs advertising... and apparently others agree as well...

Loads of good idea's here guys!!!!! Wtf with the trolling....... thanks jamalz man its really nice to see someone give a fuck about thinking positive for QL ;] i know you could say it nicer but tbh makes it a better read. =P

I think you have hit so many things on the head here and hope ID will listen man. R.E.S.P.E.C.T. !!!

Exactly what I thought. Good ideas Jamalz, although ID will have to dig deep to implement any of these. Although if they did, it can do nothing but improve the numbers playing and enjoyment at the right player levels.. [+]

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The thing that people don't understand is that ID has no interest in seeing Quake Live go anywhere.

They treat it like gaming companies treat pro-gaming - they will only put as much into it as they have to, and not a penny more.

Why is this? Because there is no money to be made in pro-gaming.

They will put just enough into it to keep the masses quiet. This way they can say they are "supporting" it, and at the same time keeping everyone under the false impression that they care.

The reality is that they (ID) do not care. QL was an experimental business model which failed to turn a profit. Thus they are cutting their losses as much as they can and have no intention of diverting resources to improve it. Only maintain it as much as they have to in order to keep people appeased while continuing to collect as many subscription fees as possible.

The above post is admirable but is ultimately falling on deaf ears.

Ever heard of riot?
Blizzard investing in the nasl etc.

Moron

While i agree with most of that, id can't possibly think money isn't to be made with pro gaming for various reasons.

1) because they created quake live (a more competitive version of quake 3)

and

2) a quote i found by donny domino aka syncerror

Quake over the years has not just had competition from other FPS games, but perhaps even more importantly, has become refined and renowned as a highly competitive product. There has been a shift within the Quake community from a casual FPS game with a "competitive vocal minatory" to a game whose multiplayer field is dominated by competitive players. This shift has made many competition friendly features more important than in previous titles

http://www.quakeunity.com/article=4

syncerror himself thinks the future of quake revolves solely around competitive players, hence the reason he's only listened to them in quake live. If that was the case, the playerbase would have expanded, not retracted.

That was their first mistake. They then realized this wasn't the case and started appealing to the casual gamer (making hitboxes smaller, devpicks, etc etc) but they forgot they were doing it Iin Quake live, a game designed for competitive players...and doing so without communicating to the very playerbase they were now catering to

When pro players realized they were no longer the focus, quake live gets dropped in favor of "more competitive" games with a larger playerbase.

Again, who has been at the helm, masterminding all of this epic fail?

Donny Domino.

Step 2. Tier re-balancing

IMHO tier system is not that bad, but simply there are not many players and no way to find skill-matched opponents. In duels, I simply cannot find people with my skill level, how you can solve this by rebalancing tiers?
With server system it's not much you can do. I join empty server, then some pro player joins and rapes me. If we restrict high tier players to join lower tier games, then no one would join at all and I would be jumping on empty map for hours until I find opponent. Any way you do, it's bad.
There needs to be "find a match" system instead like pickup games, where I select for example "I want to play skill matched CTF 2v2" and system assembles players for it and then gives link to play.

Having newbs tossed directly into tier 3 for 20 fucking games, is just such a fucking terrible idea.

It is not true. When I created my account couple months ago, I was put in tier 4 right after my first game. I don't know what it does during those 20 games, but people surely don't stuck in one tier.

I will make Freezetag free. This shit gets newbs wet. They all gather and freeze each other and shit.

Sorry, as a noob I cannot agree with this at all. I played about 10 FT games on my old account and it was not fun. It was almost as annoying as TDM for newbs, you always have no weapon, you always have 30 hp, you always get killed and then have to wait until you are unfreezed, that's totally boring and annoying.
I don't understand why people think that FT is good for newbs. It's bad.

IMHO tier system is not that bad

you have got to be kidding me. It's beyond fail dude. Do you even know what's happening right now? tier 4 players are making alternate accounts and slumming the shit out of the lower ctf servers they get put into.

The 20 game thing you are correct on however. Id was not truthful about that. You can easily move up to tier 4 during that 20 game process. But having new players tossed into tier 3 is a bad idea. Tier 3 knows how to strafe jump/rocket jump. They decided to go with it however as the alt account slummers would rape even more in tier 2. But once again, insead of fixing the bigger picture (the multiple account holders) they ignore it.

thats because you need to be able to spectate your own teamates when frozen so that you can witness their many fails and laugh at it.
It cant be funny looking at a wall for 2 min....

There needs to be "find a match" system instead like pickup games, where I select for example "I want to play skill matched CTF 2v2" and system assembles players for it and then gives link to play.

What's mind-boggling is that QL had this for duels at least (duel detective, if you weren't around back then), and instead of expanding on it to make it work for other modes, they removed it.

everything on that list doesn't matter UNTIL syncerror gets replaced.

What is hands down the #1 problem for quake live besides advertising????? COMMUNICATION and the LACK THEREOF.

Who's in charge of communicating to the community? hmm let's see.
http://www.quakeunity.com/article=4

DONNY DOMINO

Whats' his role again?

My name is Donnie "SyncError" Domino and while everyone here at id holds many jobs, I'm officially the Community Liaison. My job entails interfacing with the community so that id may better understand and address the concerns of players. This includes gathering information about bugs, the demand for new features, and strengthening community awareness of clan and mod team organizations

Strengthening community awareness lol.

PlanetQuake4: While you are addressing the concerns of hardcore Quakers

that's the problem you see... he's only catered to you guys.... and forgot about the casuals, the casuals he says in this very interview he would start listening to. But he didn't.

Also about quakecon:

SyncError: I've been told that the majority of the QuakeCon organization will be handled by myself and Marty Stratton

Vindictive obsessive much?

That is his Job description of a year ago.

Syncerror's current job which has nothing to do with that, is why so many more big code changes are actually happening now, and many are community suggestion driven. The new scoreboards and large freezetag updates the most visible .

Wait, you're the guy from that thread, fuck why did I bother.

his job is to communicate with the community. something he has failed hardcore with. dont' act like it's not true

No one needs to act, that is not his job any more and has not been since October last year.
Syncerror is the Associate Producer.

yakumo to the rescue!!! Congratulations on your new job. I guess all that asskissing helped... oh wait...

Holy fucking shit you're pathetic. God damn, dude.

No, what's pathetic is having moderators on the ql forum like yakumo who ban people like you me or anyone else who do what this guy did:
http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php...s-about-QL

oh no, he implied yakumo was a bad moderator. BAN HIM!!!

That is what's pathetic.

I wasn't (and never will) implying that Yakumo was a great moderator. All I said was you were pathetic, which you are.

you've never done anything pathetic. nope

and really, incubus playing in tier 2 isn't pathetic? puhlease

I never said I didn't do anything pathetic, nor did I mention INCubus. I'm talking about you and Yakumo, not me, not INCubus, not SyncError, not malk, not Lorfa, nobody.

ever considered ur both pathetic? ur arguing who said what and whatnot

Yes.

Sigh.
FYI, not that you'll pay any attention as it doesn't suit your ridiculous crusade:
I've still given less infractions and bans than any other moderator, I've never so much as given even a single infraction to sephiroth5005 (in his 3 pages of infractions). His complaint thread about me (which was unfounded as I had no part in the actions he was complaining about) also wasn't why he was banned.

So I must be a terrible moderator as I'm not giving out enough infractions and bans.
Have fun whatever.

Name is Adam Pyle

http://www.facebook.com/id.SyncError

I saw that Donnie Domino thing, no clue what that was about.

He has that in his IRC realname slot aswell. Maybe it's his superhero name. :)

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no shit sherlock, everyone knows his name is adam pyle. i've mentioned it 10 times in my incubus thread, but few know about his donny domino name, including you apparently.

Many good ideas there, have a [+]

an in-browser chat box with pickup scripts would be so awesome. i want that more than anything else on the list honestly

All my ideas, if implemented would have saved quakelive a long time ago, I've been saying this shit since the inception of quakelive. And others have been coming to the exact same conclusions, with the exact same type of plans as ive laid out here. We just haven't been heard.

I honestly don't give a shit if syncerror takes each and every thing we've said to do and just presents it as his idea or whoever from id softwares developer section for quakelive outright claims it to be their ideas so they get a gold star or whatever the fuck they get for coming up with ideas.

Shit is beyond all of that, just fucking steal the ideas and implement them already, i don't give a fuck, most of the community will actually help you do it too.

The first mistakes were when the guy that created freezetag for quake actually made a thread in the old forum. He said u could take his entire mod how its set up and created and implement it into quakelive for free.

What does id do? They try to create their own kind of freezetag, fucking everything up.

GUYS, THE NIGGA JUST SAID IT WAS OK TO USE EVERYTHING AND COPY HIS SHIT SO U CAN HAVE A HUGE USERBASE OF FREEZETAG PLAYERS FROM THE OLD MOD UFT. WHAT THE FUCK, WHY ARE YOU GUYS SO STUPID.

We get CA instead of RA3 style maps. We get 10 minute duels. We get CTF with runes.

Why does id developers try to fix what isn't broken? Are they just fucking stupid?

They're not stupid, they're highly restricted by lawyers, if they'd taken his code we still wouldn't have freezetag at all as every line would still be being processed by lawyers to check if it was really the sole possession of the forum poster claiming that it was his.

Not the code, just how its set up, how the game play is etc

yeah, I think there were some similar legal worries but they've mostly been sorted out, you can set it up basically the same as the EU or US most popular settings now I think, I still wish it was just this way by default though, that would get the public FT scene moving - http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php...-Freezetag

syncerror and his team like to take credit for everything. hence the reason they hardly ever mention where they get ideas from and just pawn it off as their own. Hell,even this last update, they just now got around to adding the map authors to certain maps. Again, no respect for the community.

The official QuakeLive forum has tons of trolls and people who are spreading misinformation and talking about quakelive dying and what not.

Posted by jamalz @ 04:06 EDT, 19 July 2011 - iMsg, Mark

Not only do I agree with pretty much every point, this OP was done pretty well. I laughed a couple times.

If this was actually done, I would GLADLY buy a pro subscription. Without hesitating. And after that, I might actually play some QL again. Doubtful, though...

Friends don´t cry and beg for bug fixing and features of a worse fixed Browser game.

There is already a game and community which can fulfill all your wishes and dreams !!!

www.warsow.net

Draw the consequences and step forward ;)

when i want to see cartoons i tune into cartoon network thanks

Anything you want to add?

Sell (or give for free :p) Quake Live to Valve.

Aside from your highly irritating style of writing a potty language, it's really hard to take you seriously because your attitude flips every forum post. No one will ever take you seriously with these qualities (or lack thereof). These are not good ways of delivering a message, let alone call for action. Clean up your act first.


Step 1. Dissenters
clean up jamalz like persons is your action item#1? This is internet, which means you are dealing with a pile of steming shit when you open up your feedback channels to general public in free form.

Google identifies major items of attention and gives public a choice to contribute their votes towards those items to determine the priority - i would like to see that in QL


Step 2. Tier re-balancing
This has been beaten to death and your solutions are intermediate at best. There can be 1000s of cases which people will always cut around. The only thing i would suggest is to segregate tiers more and create bands of tier joining

10 tiers
can join +- 2 tiers
faster recognition of obvious skill gap by gradient of win

Step 3. Chat lobby
ok

Step 4. Free FreezeTag
ok, but it's a non-factor

Step 5.Capturestrike
?! new mod ?! The last thing we need to do right now is more segregation between mods. Having CA is bad enough in addition to two great team modes (CTF, TDM), now there's also freezetag. Choice is great, and many people strive on it, but it kills the concentration, therefore density and popularity of a particular gametype.

Step 6. Voice Chat
a+

Step 7. Maps
This is just.... we've gotten like 50 new maps since beta. What happened to them? Nothing. They are 80% shit, and the rest of 20% is premium, which people hardly play because again, density is missing.. I'd say maps are NOT priority at the moment.

Step 8. Lan Servers
This is off the table. It doesn't mean they need to stop improving their support for tournaments.

Step 9. Anti-cheats..
This is a sinkhole for time, money, and expectations. I'm not saying id should not address this problem, but i've never had hope for a working anti-cheat system.

Step 10. Tutorials
ok

Step 11. Ladders
This seems like a great idea, but i have very little faith in it. Maybe something like battlenet can happen, but we've had 1001 ladders since QW and none of them proved to be helpful. Maybe if the ladder is at quakelive.com., appealing, and worry-free, and maybe mandatory, then it will work.

Step 12. Advertising
The only great success QL seen in this area when QL was announced on digg.com. This was of course cancelled by a queue for 100,000 people waiting for 3 hours to play a game. Nothing happened since then. I would MUCH rather see id divest resources from 50+ useless maps into SOME marketing which is right now is unsatisfactory.

This also can be PARTIALLY outsourced to community.

Step 13. Keeping the hardcores
I would rather see QL improving what it has. Not new stuff. This will keep hardcores, and keep newbs as well.

Step 14. Streaming
see 12

Step 15. Online tournaments
see 11. I also think id should spin up quakecon more than it is now. Now that ESL and EIM are gone, who's gonna provide tournaments and marketing?

Step 16. Website extras
meh

Step 17. The revival of RA
i think you ran out of numbers here. Why would anyone want waste breath on this?

Step 2. Tier re-balancing

tier 10 joins a game
tier 8 joins the game
tier 7 player joins the game
tier 6 players joins the game
already useless


only good alternative for team modes is auto shuffling (after a team leads 4:0 in clan arena or whatever, custom rules) on pub servers - force private for tournaments

or allow fixed servers with some "weird" settings (in remembrance of popular Q3 servers), not speaking of devpick but i.e: only skillrating 90+ allowed, endless running CA server where you just join and play..

if you're half decent please use pickups (or integrate this finally)

and I completely agree with more work in website features, the game itself is almost perfect, with just small details being added/changed here and there

and please spawn some servers in Egypt, Turkey, Middle East, Israel, India, Korea, Mexico, Brazil,....

even if they add them, they'll just silently get rid of them when they become inactive (see singapore for the test case)

Tier 4 players should be able to join tier 1 servers (but not to play in), and vice versa. How are we supposed to help beginners if we can't join their servers?

Instead of tier 4 ukrainian/serbian/romanian servers (I can't play there), I'd rather like to see french/german/english newbs servers in my server browser.

I really like some of what I read here. I wouldn't put all steps on the same level though, the most important ones are definitely: Step 7. Maps, Step 8. Lan Servers, Step 14. Streaming, Step 15. Online tournaments, and maybe Step 3. Chat lobby. Make them 1 2 3 4 5 in caps, the rest is minor :)


I would also like to see a new step - Match scheduling:

- Possibility for teams/duel players to send PCW invites to each other and show when they are available for pracc.
- The teams' players sign up for the scheduled games directly on the website.

I have never seen this suggestion anywhere and it seems to be it could add a lot of value to quakelive.com


Also duel detective was very good and would be perfect with server selection.

Hey,
I've been testing CPMA with OpenArena and it works quite nicely.
The only major problem was OA texture support for all the CPMA maps.
Apart from that CPMA fixes most of OA downfalls with movement and it even fixes the RL missile so it doesn't look like a massive turd floating though the air.

OpenArena + CPMA + minor fixes + ladder system = potential profit.
Rap it all together in one package, free game.

Solution: quit

zeker weten

we used to respect u

gl with that

Only an idiot would think QL is dead because id didn't advertise. The correct answer is a) and b) "Modern FPS like Halo and COD" and "Quake is too challenging for modern gamers"

This is the biggest bullshit, red herring argument ever. This argument needs to die forever along with any stupid idiot that believes it.

SC2 is just as challenging as Quake and is the most mainstream esport we've ever seen. There are plenty of alternatives to SC2 that should seemingly cannibalize its player base: SC, dota, lol, hon, wc3, C&C, AoE, CoH, Dawn of War, and WoW.

And yet people are making careers of playing SC2......

You know what the real reason is? Starcraft is made by a company with $3 billion revenue yearly. Quakelive is made by a company that hasn't released a relevant game since 2005. Or 1999.

SC2 is challenging but it the ladder system and big player pool makes it possible for everyone to find skill matched opponents. Fix Quake, add decent ladders, advertise to get a big influx of players and people will start getting hooked and have an addicting way to track their progress (working ladder, SC2 style).

Quake is challenging to newcomers right now because they get slummed pretty much every game by at least one player. I guarantee you much less people would play SC2 if every bronze-silver new players were facing diamond+ players for 75% of their games.

newcomers get slummed sorry? god forbid a guy not competes with cooller on his second day...

there should be beginner servers for premium / pro subsrcibers in their first 3 months and below an accuracy of lets say 20-25% over 100k shots.

its a competitive game, if you cant deal with it there is lego, sims, wow and many other awaits you

This seems so reverse - in fact, in SCBW on iccup, newbs specifically try to play at korean times during a reset in order to get the chance to play against a pro.

maybe scbw noobs realizing they play a competitive game

Based on the example of faerie a few topics ago?

I'd say it's more the case of avoiding korean times and being happy to find out you played a pro at the end of the season anyways.

I guess Vedic's example is true for some people but 2 days after the reset most people just can't be arsed to play koreans because you won't learn shit ( they'll just talk shit ) and if they somehow loose, they'll talk more shit in 7 lines than the whole russian q3 community could have done so in 2001.

In general (and on their main account) people will avoid korean times, but right after a reset, many people will specifically play at korean times just for a chance at seeing how badly they will get annihilated. =P

Only an idiot would think QL is dead because id didn't advertise. The correct answer is a) and b) "Modern FPS like Halo and COD" and "Quake is too challenging for modern gamers"

it's both a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j and k

a: Too difficult for most modern gamers
b. No advertising
c. No communication w/ community
d. No integration of website w/3rd party software
e. No lan: (eg. no way to organize games at your local comic shop, the way quake got popular in the first place)
f. No respect for new players,elites > noobs mentality (ESR)
g. Lack of prizemoney, ladders (see d), reasons to play ql
h. Surplus of bugs (that continue to this day with each update)
i. No effective measures taken against: (detlew, gragor, incubus, candyass, av8r, hospipachi) teamkillers/racism/slummers/stackers/alts, etc
j. No Anticheat
k. Not enough players (see a-j)

I could go on but i'm bored and tired of this game and the obvious issues with it that noone takes seriously.

inb4 /#care

Need something like QLTV, similar to HLTV SourceTV etc. Streaming is a pain.. give people the power to choose who they watch, bring up accuracy and what not

On the other hand listening to existing elites/veterans for how to lure in fresh meat might not be a very wise idea.

you want to do the most useful thing to the quake community:
1. close down ql
2. put a link on ql site to a new q3 patch, which will give all benefits of ql to q3 (not much since q3 still got so much more benefits than ql)
3. start q3 tourneys

you want to do the most useful thing to quakeLIVE:
1. no pro/premium accounts anymore = community will increase instantly!
2. hand over ql to the q3 mod teams (e.g. cpma team) = regular updates!
3. make server hosting like in any quake so we can put our self created maps instantly on the servers = new maps on a regular basis


I prefer a q3 patch since its easier for the developers

community servers with map rotation so same maps aren't replayed

best thing to do is adding VEHICLES

ql failed because its quake

Step 18. Add CPM in