hmmmmmmmm,no

Got any arguments?

Imo it would be too much based on luck. Even I could be good at this game if this happens, since every match would be a coinflip.

whoaaaaaaa man.

sup bro, you at qcon?

uh what?

:D

u just pulled a Jonesy

This doesn't change anything because each player still gets the same amount of points per frag.

This would also just randomize the results because lets say you get into a fight around 1:55. You get into an LG battle and it can go either way. If you let them kill you, you can spawn after 2:00 and kill them while they are low health and get more points than them.

Why would you want to reward people with throwing fights like that?

This doesn't change anything because each player still gets the same amount of points per frag.

Yes this changes many things, for example, it's impossible to perfectly balance initial spawns, so early in the game one player can spawn-rape another player just out of pure luck. This different scoring system lets this initial imbalance to settle down in first minutes without deciding whole outcome of the game.

This would also just randomize the results because lets say you get into a fight around 1:55. You get into an LG battle and it can go either way. If you let them kill you, you can spawn after 2:00 and kill them while they are low health and get more points than them.

There is this little thing called "strategy" which means that players, given they are smart enough, can predict whatever could happen in next minute if they do a certain thing, and they can decide not to go into that battle if it is likely to result in a disadvantage afterwards. It will only randomize results if players are dumbasses and just randomly go into battles without understanding all the consequences.

If you properly control the map and powerups after your opponent has an unlucky spawn, you can still carry this advantage to later in the game and make it even more difficult for them to catch up.

Not only that, but what happens in the event where you have perfectly "fair" starting spawns and you just legitimately dominate in the first half, and your opponent dominates the half. lets say you get an equal number of frags, 5 each.

The player who takes first half makes at MOST 10 points, while the second can get 15 points.

Take this even further, what if you get a shitty start spawn and play amazing taking out someone completely stacked and then you get screwed because they get one extra frag in the last round.

You must understand that the players are aware of the new points system that is in place.

I wouldn't mind initial kills being worth less (still would be a bitch to balance though). Giving even more points for e.g. the last 3 minutes is just gimmicky, though.

Of course particular Jonesy's implementation is not perfect, but the idea itself that there are several timed stages in the game can lead to a very interesting game mode.
I also don't agree with 3 points/frag during last minutes, but maybe some rule for losing player to move the game into unequal score overtime in last minutes could work out very well.

Maybe it would be nice to give 2 points for cool frags like air-rocket kills. It might be a little too based on luck though.

Mainly, the idea is to eliminate the reason for forfeits. If you use fraglimits, the games could hypothetically last forever, making tournaments difficult to run. With a 15-minute game, 1 point given per-frag in the first 5 minutes, 2 points 5-10, 3 10-15, it creates a stable system by which people have no reason to forfeit, and competitive events can be operated reliably.

You can have refs judge players in case of tie instead of overtime, like in boxing.

Rofl.

that is an awesome idea

its a crazy idea but it could actually be fun :D

Or, just have a little vote window popup at the end of the match so specs can vote on who they think the winner should be. Regardless of who has the most frags. Hopefully that way no one would +back, but instead try to pull off crazy, sick ass shots to impress specs. :p

You do realize that there are perfectly valid sport competitions based on this principle?

I'd say that's more "performance art".

That's called a "popularity contest".

Id should just collect information on first spawns and winner from matches played an then remove those which are not 50/50.

Entertaining other ideas, I would like a last frag game mode with short rounds (3-5 minutes maybe ) where the winner is the one who got the last frag. Maybe best of 7 rounds ?

Each round would be exciting to the last minute!

We shouldn't be against changing the basic game. When basketball was new, players couldn't move with the ball. They could only shoot and pass. Allowing players to move is what made the game worthy of pro-play.

Besides, we can have many different versions of the same game. There is no need to force a uniform structure on everyone. Better to create different varieties, and see which one people like best.

Replace one item with a +1 Frag powerup. remove timelimit and add fraglimit instead.

Wow, why are people always so butthurt about +back?

Just go back to 15 minute rounds, problem solved.

maybe something like the doubling cube in backgammon could work? basically a player can double the stakes to put pressure on the opponent, who has to either accept and play for twice the points or decline and lose a round. if someone accepts and makes a comeback, they can re-double etc.

in quake you could "play the cube" to double the points won/lost per frag. if the opponent declines, they lose the match or maybe just the points for one frag. of course something like this could be abused with extreme +back styles, but i would assume that it would mostly favour agressive players and be a good way to end blowout matches early.. dunno