Over the weekend many CS:Source players were invited to the Valve headquarters. Apparently the new CS: Global Operations will replace CS:S's spot!

They gonna fuck it up. Even more than they already did with source. Valve never understood 1.5/6 and they never will.


- There are also a couple of new nades
- There are molotov grenades, which create a fire-blanket that slows players are little
- The other new nade is a decoy-nade, that can play firing-sounds, so it can be used to fake that a player is in a position

Ehhhh ok ...

- Recoil was a bit weird, since it was actually made more random from how I understood it, but since they made it be random in a circle instead of a square it ended up being easier to control. Anyways, they're going to change it, since right now spraying is just the only way to really go about playing the game

Source recoil is a joke. Don't even want to know how the new recoil can be "easier" -.-

You don't invite source players to create a new counterstrike. Biggest failure one can make.

same thing happened when id invited Q3 players instead of QW to create Quake 4

quake 4 wasnt made by id, but by raven software

Which is fitting since Counter-Strike wasn't made by Valve, they simply took over ownership once it was getting big and made it retail instead of just a mod.

id had to approve everything that Raven did, so id endorsed every facet of Q4.

which,at that time, amounted to a rubber stamp "approved".
When id took over patching, it got way better than q3 ever was (as in, not cpma)

Q4 at its best is still inferior to Q3 at its worst.

that's good upvote fodder around here, but vq3 without mods but up to date patch is nowhere near as good as quake 4 1.4.2.

Putting a shiny coat of paint on shit does not change the fact that it's still shit.

:D

That's why the game was a shit full of bugs and crashes!!

EVERYONE please contact Hidden Path (the developers) and ask why no 1.6 players were invited:

http://www.hiddenpath.com/contact/

This game may still be saved.

lol

i'm on it.

Valve are kinda shooting themselves in the foot by getting source players to make a competitive game...

I'm disappointed already from reading the stuff that's coming. molotov grenades that 'slow' people (???)... Decoy nades that are apparently huge fucking boomboxes in a handheld nade that play super realistic ambient sounds? DERP? Why not add a tactical shie- oh wait

Shoulda just done what they're doing with DOTA2... Just make 1.6 with better graphics and edit some stuff in it like some of the 'useless' weapons

It'll be successful I don't doubt it... But I don't think it'll last very long unless they really go ape shit on competitive features, otherwise it's just another Condition Zero.

i thought source is 1.6 with better grapichs

trololo

"Valve are kinda shooting themselves in the foot by getting source players to make a competitive game..."

"Just make 1.6 with better graphics and edit some stuff in it like some of the 'useless' weapons"

I dont think they need to arrange player discussions and testing to figure what 1.6 players want in the next game. I think they and everyone else has pretty good idea......

Well obviously they do because from what you can hear from reviews from the CSS players, the AK and M4 are incredibly inaccurate, grenades almost one hit and the P90 is pretty much the weapon of choice...


Just.
No.

Valve are kinda shooting themselves in the head by getting any kind of CS players to make a competitive game.

Shooting themselves in the foot? How so? They will not make a competitive game as hardcore as Quake? So, in essence, they will not make a game that will alienate it's paying retarded customer base? They're shooting themselves in the foot, riiight.


PS. Implying anybody cares about the essence of competition is always naively cute. I hope my kid does this mistake one day.

He said shooting themselves in the head, not the foot.

BOOM HEADSHOT

lol

Implying I implied anything of the sort. I am cute, though. And I hope your kid can tell the difference between his foot and head one day. Going to be an awkward child otherwise.

Nobody cares => your comment is just a funny retort. I guess you meant it that way.

They probably got Source players because they're the ones who actually care about changing the game they're playing for better. 1.6 players are too busy indulging themselves in silly lies about how great 1.6 is and can't seem to get out of the labyrinth that is their arses.

source fag

Please do never ever mention my name and CS:S together on this website ever again. You'll regret it. :>

your name is fag?

his family name obviously, his given name is source i guess :>

Gaylord, actually. Gaylord Focker.

So lemme get this straight, in order to make a competitive counterstrike game, rather then go to a game that's been going over a decade strong, they're going to a game scene which is already proven to have bombed *cough* CGS *cough*


Wake up... 1.6 is simply better then source. That doesn't mean that a newer version of CS on the source engine won't be better then 1.6...

*than!

His point is the people going for a decade strong aren't going to give much constructive advice, they will just point out the differences with 1.6. The goal is a new superior game, not the same thing. I think Source players do know their game isn't perfect and will make suggestions as to why GO isn't.

What isn't good is the basic things they are apparently having to tell the developers like why spawning with kevlar is retarded.

While I might say that 1.6 game-play mechanics are a lot more competitive-orientated, the community is 1.6's downfall. And Source players may be playing a game that is a lot simpler, but the robust suggestions and feedback that Source players suggest is six times more than what any 1.6 player could ever dream of shouting out, after all; "Our game is perfect."

That's my point that you have failed to understand. The majority of 1.6 players are bitches, cold bitter bastards who enjoy exploring their arse, they're just as bad as CS:S players when it comes to playing different games (Not just CS, but Quake too), they think their game is "the best" and that everything else is pile of piss covered shit on the grounds of little silly arguments like "Our game has tagging, if you get hit you're fucked, it makes it harder!" or "Our game only allows you to carry a primary weapon and a sidearm, we don't want a rocket launcher, lighting gun and a shotgun at the same time."

The fact remains that 1.6 players are truly delusional bastards, the evidence can be found straight on HLTV.org. Go to any news post or thread that mentions any other CS game and instantly your face-fuck full of hate messages such as "1.6 > source." or "lmao source wtf shit game." And these are the delusional twats who are meant to be playing a game that's considered professional.

In the end, both games are shit and we should really all be playing QuakeWorld right now.

But the css players, as smart as might be with their suggestions, might be not smart enough to realize that cs 1,6 was the better game, or not appreciate that truly. That's a really tough spot for valve, even though I'm sure this decision was easy for them seeing their relationship with the 1,6 community.

If id ever did something similar with q5, we should have qw people consulting the creation of tdm. Like that's ever happening...

I heard they going to add bunny hopping. Wtf?! Way to ruin a game!

bunnyhopping was in the first CS versions and it was fun ! 8<

My post was laden with satire and sarcasm. It's painful to see someone reply as such.

Seeing as you were pretty much asking for it, posting it here, in this context, uhm, maybe... You enjoy the pain?

:D

Wasn't CS developed independently from Valve? Sounds like re-heated soup to me...

Yes, and it shows. All Valve have done to Counter-Strike is make money off, ignore it competitively and repeatedly change things for the worse from a competitive standpoint.

The only positive things they've done in their 11 years of stewardship is fix some bugs, change the money system and add the galil and famas. Those are welcome changes but they don't even come close to balancing out the way they ripped some of the core elements from CS which made it fun. CS in the betas, and even the early retail editions, was much more of an arcade style feel, with faster movement and better weapons.

CS has always been too slow :( If you could only jump/move/strafe properly.

Then obviously you never played 1.3

i cant remember :( i was a noob back then anyway.

There was a time when CS was just jumpy jumpy shooty with pistolsy no recoily in the airy and super fun time!

It's a different game though, it's a much more Standoffish/Explosive type of game, that also really awards individual effort.

A room may have 5 CT's, and then 3 seconds later 4 are dead and the bomb is being planted, offering sweet pussy to the last CT if he clutches and pulls magic out of his arse.

It's a slow buildup in many cases but it's still good fun to play (with an organized team!).

CS 1.3 was so amazing !

obv u never played pre 1.0 :P fast switch and qw still bunny hops(not what cs players call bunny hop)

That was already made long long time ago.. it was CS predecessor and it was a big hit back then.However devs werent satisfied with it so they made CS instead, what a pitty. :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTpxmiJOwJU

best thing is missing in the news: multiplatform title .. :DDD

hltv.org is bashing this CS thing already :D

I'll wait and see actual gameplay footage before I make a comment.

TOO LATE YOU ALRDY DID

I meant about the game, because I see alot of people hating on the game already when they know nothing about the game.

he knew what u meant, said the stuff he did just for the sake of trolling x)

maybe hes the one trolling us

but mr, i am sorry he isnt :|

but sir, maybe hes sitting at home with a banana for a smile!!

lol [+]

Sigh, what times are those, people on Quake site are interested in CS gameplay...

Times when id will never make another good quake game

"CS: GO will introduce new gameplay modes, matchmaking, leader boards, and more."

I see what they did there :)

;)

you mean all the stuff people have been asking for in quake live?

A company that listens to its fans!!!!!

csssssss

Apparently the new CS: Global Operations will replace CS:S's spot!

Wrong. Valve claim this to be a totally independent game, but in reality they would love to have both communities united under this new release. Here's a pretty good in-depth article. Can't wait to get a beta next week.

http://www.eseanews.com/index.php?s=news&...mp;id=9969

im a little bit confused from the postings here, in other topics it was sayed the only hope of fps esports would be cs2. now all you jump in and bashing on an announcement? valve has proven they can deliver huge updates for a game.

sc2* (even if thats not fps)

Valve didn't make Counter-Strike. So the point isn't that people are bashing it but that there is no reason at all, and no evidence, on which to assume anything positive or that it will be a good competitive game.

The movie Heat is an all time classic but if someone announces tomorrow that they've bought the rights to create a sequel but it won't have the high level director (Michael Mann), the incredibile stars (De Niro, Pacino) and the story is being written by people with no history of good writing in that genre, and in fact a failed sequel attempt 5 years earlier, nobody should be like "gosh that movie will DEFINITELY be amazing! In fact it should be better than the original!"

The quote the visionary XSR columnist Onslaught, from back in 2000:

To implant the same weapons and basicly the same physics which have been played to death for several years, is not meaningful. Then you could as well play the original game, which does the same thing, but better.

You could make the same game, the same physics, with better graphics, better netcode, more accurate guns, better ( consistent) spray, and I think it would definitely be meaningful to a lot of people. Well at-least it has proven so for the CoD series for the most part... but Valve has yet to succeed at that.

CoD 1 was awesome.. rest suck :l

The sales #'s speak for themselves so no need to bring that into debate.

I would rather kill myself than watch cs. And thats what any real quaker would do.

Funny, I remember Cooller saying he enjoyed spectating Na'Vi play cs.

he's homosexual? source?

*cloaked ghost*

Never know what hit 'em.

that's strong enough for a nuke?

lolxou

need the inside scoop, who got nuked and what did he write?

adel dude, along the lines of cooller is a fag

def nukeworthy then

Cooller is a fag? did he throw some goatse in the mix? otherwise that's hardly nukeworthy?

i like your avatar.

definitely

hahaha :')

http://www.cyberfight.org/offline/interviews/11061/

sizah: So you like watching counter-strike to ?
fox: yeah, its exciting to watch and i have great respect for good counter-strikers. I know some of them also so :)

Good find :)

na, i kinda enjoy watching cs from time to time.

http://s.sk-gaming.com/image/image/593df6924b79f526m.jpg


Only way i would watch cs

Previously named: HellKey (10 Aug 2011)

now on a posting spree? clever.

Thanks you, but it's sadly the posting spree got started by a crappy game & not my username change.

hope my i5 +9800gt can handle 60 fps :))

I hope it cant

hahahaha

Random newbies as well as a large proportion of LAN organizers will still use CS 1.6!

Scary stuff


- CS:GO another community split??

- Valve player numbers aren't as they use to be(well for cs in general), and cs1.6 back in the day was a big reason for many early adopters of steam and high player count. Could this be a desperate attempt to grab player numbers on steam??

- Going into the console market could be a bad idea for CS:GO, pretty much direct competition with many different FPS's.. Or just a money grab. I can't imagine the console version being competitive and the PC version fizzling out, in addition I can't imagine both PC and console platforms sharing the competitive scene.

- It feels like they *just* noticed that a competitive game could benefit steam(for player counts on steam, exposure to steam etc..), as SC2 did to blizzard. Which is just scary to me, for game developers there is two paths for making a game (casual game or competitive game). And valve had the first opportunities to make CS a competitive game, but let other companies/games like LOL, SC2 to get a good stab at it. :/

- Valve getting player/pro feedback that's good, but just from cs:source players??

- Valve will have to get a lot of things right for this to work in my opinion

Good Luck to them - hope they succeed.

how is entering new markets with insane sales and fps player population is a bad idea for a well known title?

1.) FPS genre is very competitive ^.^, why should players switch to CS:GO

2.) Valve has to deal with a lot bitter cs1.6 players. And they take up the majority of the competitive base.

3.) CS in general is fizzling out(well it seems to be), it is possible for that trend will continue CS:GO or not.

Bah I sound so pessimistic, but I think it is valid to be aware of all variables. It would be pretty irresponsible of valve to not do their research - especially if they want this game to succeed.

im sure valve can make something a bit better than cod4.2, and sell it under the cs brand. angry cs players will be angry no matter what and play 1.6

xen said it, the 1.6 players are lost, cant be touched with another game. to go for source and cod players makes sense.

i wonder how the new crates gonna look like

prolly 3D with nice textures... blet, hate fucking HD crates

.

I ain't even excited

Appreciate the link to the Article by Torbull Trance. One thing i cannot wrap my head around though, is why they brought in cs:s players to give feedback. You have pro gamers that have been playing 1.6 competitively for the better part of a decade, and major tournaments have decided to bring it back year after year. Source has not. Why don't they just do the same thing Blizzard did with starcraft. Give it better graphics make a few balance changes but fuck keep all the shit from 1.6 and before that people have enjoyed for 12 years.

Blizzard fucked up SC2.

All they did was dumb down the game like shit(automining etc), removed features(replays with friends, no lan etc) and it still is unbalanced(look at the percentage of races in the gsl).

Why do you think South Koreans don't take SC2 seriously except , brood war scrubs like MC(iron) or nestea(zergbong) or some other no names ?

Every brood war pro gamer was complaining about sc2 and blizzard never listened ...

Meanwhile, it's the most popular e-sports game in the world

could say the same about cs 5-8 years ago

Most players are noobs. Does it really surprise you they would prefer a significantly less sophisticated game?

I ask that rhetorically ofc bearing in mind you're a QW player and had to see that game pretty much become barren in NA while people played, in comparison, shitty OSP Q3 TDM and pretended like it was better.

you obviously haven't figured out the correlation between "dumbed down" and "most played"

"Targeted for release via Playstation Network, Xbox Live Arcade, "

Because Condition Zero was a huge success on console.

Switching to CS:GO. Who wants to join my clan?

do the guns fire where you aim them in this one?

yes with a decent amount of delay ofc..

fail

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqkYmVWdxVE#t=0m46s

like there, probably

can we just get beta 5.2 back please?

First CS I played. Nostalgia

i dont remember which one i played, but the background was two cts in a tunnel

was 5.3 for me :)

When it comes to FPS I've always been a quake player. I know almost nothing about counterstrike.

Can someone give me a rough idea of what the difference is between CS 1.6 and CS source? When people talk about CS I often hear opinions like "source best game ever", and "source worst game ever". Seems to be extremely divided :-)

http://i.imgur.com/PMAqD.jpg

Counterstrike worst game ever

Thats all you need to know

raged much?

ye

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEvaqwcVnZI

so is rage any good? who went to qcon and got down at some rizzage?

if they implement ladders/skill ratings and you could just drop into a default 5v5 game, that would be cool

but then again, they're developing this for consoles and they invited source players only despite trying to add things from 1.6 so idk whats going on

i just want to play some surf maps mang

also imo they should totally drop almost all the weapons from the game since no one buys them anyway and then balance whatevers left

theres no point in having 5 pistols and 5 smgs and 5 assault rifles if everyone is using deagle-ak-m4-awp

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/jgzf0...rstike_go/

so late!
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2132407#pid2132777

I gave credit for it with the source.

CS:GO, sounds like CS for mobile phones

So they are re-releasing CSS to milk more money from their fans. That's a good way to make money, well done from Valve - people will buy it too.

That's working out pretty well for HL isn't it?

My thoughts on Global Offensive can be read in this column.

Includes the following analogy:

You wouldn't ask a gay man to be the key consultant on the design for a replacement for the vagina and then automatically assume the result would be something appealling to a straight man.

:D

depends if you like blowjobs

While most of can probably not pinpoint exactly what makes 1.6 a good game with surgical precision we can point to Source and say that is an example of what we don't want Counter-Strike to be like.

I thought you'd post something more informative. Not everyone is intimate with CS and this sort of hearsay-evidence shouldn't be perpetrated.

It's an opinion piece column, I'm not presenting evidence to a grand jury.

Some basic facts is hardly "evidence to a grand jury".

If it's so easy you can go ahead and present the basic facts here for us all to see so we don't have to make do with your vague opinions, right?

The vague opinions are yours. You're posting this on a quake site. Apparently a paragraph is too much to ask for.

>Not everyone is intimate with CS

everybody knows cs and source. and if you write on sk you dont need to clarify the differences.

I like how you think it matters that they didn't bring in 1.6 pros. Players aren't game designers. When it comes down to it, 1.6 players will play 1.6, and source players might move to cs:go.

There you have it, they just decided not to waste their time with the hard headed, 1.6 community.

Congrats on saying what I said in detail in my article, to me and thinking you're making an amazing point.

I didn't read it.

What the hell this is doing on ESR?
ESR is a site about e-sports, not about some crap gay shit.

Back in the days esr would have craped all over this news...Time as changed...

Back in the days, CS was a huge part of XSReality

Please excuse them, they are new to the site. They don't remember when CS, UT, RTCW etc. all existed on this site in addition to Quake.

i kinda miss those days when cs, ut and q3 (maybe a bit of bw too) were the only games that mattered on a competitive scale,

now we have awesome games like lol, hon, cod bo, halo and the soon to be released savior of mankind dota2 :(

it failed by my memories. Also, i get to decide what happened back in the days.

> Registered: 9 Feb 2008

lol

:)

You should work a bit on your trolling. :/

back in the days quake was 1.good 2.popular 3.competitive

i guess it should say "where quake meets reality"

yeah what the world needs, a +b campy moron boring game.

shame on you to not bash this news into the dust, really shows why the quake series have become a disgrace.

You should be busy playing qw.

i hope this is the killing blow to CS.
this game ruined FPS gaming forever.

you think the modern CoD games are better?

of course not, but CS was the precursor of all these realistic urban shooters

it was, but now those realistic shooters are even more dumbed down, so wishing cs was to be replaced by one of them is uselessly spiteful

Really the precursor? What about Action Quake 2, and Rainbow Six?

why is no one [+]ing this?


:D

Competitive CS players don't want CS2, they want CS with prettier graphics. They will NEVER be happy no matter what, might as well ignore them altogether.

Just look at the amount of shit CSP gets, and those are trying to make the game the community actually wants.

CSP been an ongoing project for what, 3 years now? the community was actually very happy about it when it first was announced, but seeing as so little progress was made during these 3 years, everyone started to resent it.

sounds like some other game ive heard of, quakelive or something like that. but the same doesnt apply here, because everyone here just loves quakelive, mainly for its fast progession

LOL!!!!!

People weren't happy with CSP because it was more like CS:Source then it was like 1.6

Last I heard everyone thought it was ok except for the player scale.

CSP = this promod thing?

to be honest one of the main factors to build a successful competitive game nowadays is having a GOOD netcode since eSport is not LAN-party only like it was 10-15 years ago when games like CS and quake were chosen by community(and got improved later to be played online). Since those times pretty much every game with crap netcode on it's release have never succeeded in esports to become some major title.
CSS when it only appeared had the WORST hitreg possible(dunno how it's now) and that was a much bigger problem than recoil or anything else.

Source with a ping <50 was good. Very good. Go past 80 ping though and it turns to shit. Mostly being a reaction game, even if your reaction is fast, your ping isn't, which kills it.

why to you ppl even care? its only CS... shit game based on camping...


CS:GO will be shit as CS1.6 and CSS, end of topic

Why post then in a thread you don't really give a fuck about?

so maybe some other guys wont give a fuck aswell

Why are you so concerned if others care about this? Get a life.

It's not based on "camping", it's based on positioning. Something you should be familar to as a quake player.

CS: GO AWAY

why in gods name did they ask source players and not 1.6

They want people that are interested in "progressing" the game. or something. lawl

If they did a starcraft 2 with CS people would throw so much money at them.

FUCK CS, WHERES A NEW UT!

UNREAL TOURNAMENT 2012: QUAKE ARENA

lets dream together

HOLY SHIT.

MY MENTAL POWERS ARE DEDUCING AMAZING GAME.

MARVEL VS CAPCOM? NO->

UNREAL VERSUS QUAKE.

You have A mix of the modes, but you can choose to be a UT player or a Quake player.

UT player
-------------
Unreal movement double jumps, wall jumps + unreal weapons

Quake player
-----------------
Strafe jumping, bunny hopping, and quake weapons


Basically you pick what character you want to play, quake vs unreal and play the mode.

Imagine that shit. Playing CTF where 1 team is quakers and 1 is unreal people. You can't pick up UT weapons or power ups, and vice versa.

SHIT WOULD BE MAGICAL SON

MIRRION DORRA IDEA BITCHES.

The Quake player should have to pay a subscription to play on all the maps. Also, UT players get vehicles.

bastard

;D

Epic will do it again in the near future, possibly even with their unannounced upcoming IP plus mentioning they've not payed enough attention to the Unreal series.

if that new cs thingy introduces some nice-looking textures for its crates i will give it a try ;)

the barrels are a dealbreaker for me

uh yea, almost forgot about that :>

but then you can roll the barrels

It's funny cause if they are rolling down a hill or somethng, they will push you down and you'll get stuck getting pushed down.

whats cs?

Playing counter-strike is like driving in a traffic-jam. Lots of starting and stopping, and not much of anything else.

“Marek “.PhP” Kadek is one of the players in seattle. This is what he wrote on Playzone.cz :
- this game is not going to replace CS 1.6, or CS:S, it is primary made for consoles, PC version is just kind of a “bonus”
- at the moment, the game looks more like HL2DM
- There is no recoil and there will never be. (because of the consoles)
- the game runs on L4D2 engine
- SourceTV is NOT a priority
- they are working on match making system
- new money system
- no kevlar (this should be fixed in the future)
- maps are simplyfied for XBOX style, less ways, most fights are close range
- Hidden Path (Valve only finances the game) is trying to make all weapons balanced.

it's basically CSS:CZ

I'm confused, what does he mean by "the game looks more like hl2dm"?

Other than the maps, you can't really say the PC version is a "bonus". The maps are a big thing, but it's not like they're removing lower b from dust2 right?

Also, I'm glad they're getting rid of that shitty recoil.

CS on L4d2 engine = FAIL

this is gonna be on the modified source engine? Is that what l4d2's engine is? I cant imagine it looking significantly nicer than css does already

The L4D2 engine is the latest version of the engine, and the same version that Portal 2 is running on. Their next-gen stuff is going to be on an unreleased new version of the engine.

Personally I find the L4D2 engine to be smoother and much nicer looking. Much better visuals and feel to it

It's bassically still the source engine, but with better lighting, and other improved effects.

Source engine is still capable of making great looking games. CS:S and HL2 were made in around 2004, so they had to make sure the games ran on the current gen hardware.

The artists have really learned how to make great looking levels and media, I think it's going to look on par with L4D2.

lol..

http://static.esportsea.com/global/images/content_images/7329.JPG

is he holding Gabe's underwear in one of his hands?

It will fail since it's on Source and its crappy netcode/hitboxes.
That said, in a time where playing on 60Hz monitors (furthermore most of them having input lag) is the norm (alongside that shooters nowdays are consoles controllers calibrated snoozefests), I guess most of the players won't notice.
I don't get the point since there's already css on Source, and they even have a separated "beta" to toy with different gameplays.

easy: make new game, name it cs something = $$$

"and its crappy netcode/hitboxes"

Not true.

It is actually.

Yeah, in 2004.

Still is.

All those features but no helicopter after 7 kills?

No funny hats? pftt, what a shit Valve game.

how good would it be if ID decided to invite 10 pro / ex-pro quake3 and quakelive payers, and ask them what they think should be changed in quakelive to make it the best it could be.
I keep on dreaming...

Would be just like what valve did, inviting players from the most watered down game... and yes.. q3/ql is, compared to qw, q2, cpm and q4.

Would make more sense if they invited QW / CPM / Q4 players to give feedback.. my 2 cents.

Quake Live = Quake 3, why would they invite players from other games? Just another failed vq3er waving his 2 cents...

Your estimation is a bit off, but nice try anyway...

That game was made, it's called Ultrono Arena.

The only appeal of CS is the 'realistic' graphics. They make people feel like they're not total geeks for playing a video-game. You see CS players... they're like the stereotypical, ugly, fat, super-geeks people picture when they think about video-game players. Of course, people who are such geeks, would want to not feel like geeks. In comes CS. If you changed the graphics to something geeky, and kept the gameplay identical, CS would instantly collapse.

Quake is completely different. The people here (most of us), are not geeks, we're not ugly, fat or stereotypical. In fact, most of us are actual athletes who played sports growing up. We are basically just athletes who prefer video-games to 'normal' games. Because we're not completely insecure about ourselves, and our geekiness, we could care less about whether the game appears geeky or 'cool' (which is fucking retarded). For us, the way the game looks is all about enhancing the way the game plays. You could change the way Quake looks, in a million different ways, and we wouldn't care as long as it doesn't negatively affect gameplay.

CS is a stronghold for nerds who are insecure about themselves, and looking for an escape from their inherent nerdiness. Those people couldn't play a normal sport if the world depended on it.

jonesy is fat

lmao @ 'competitive' when the whole game is about dice luck with regards to shooting. At least remove the spread and make the weapons kick noticeably. Then you can call it skill when you actually have to aim.

lmao @ cpm players telling what's competetive c:

That or you just can't aim

Sure I can but due to the random spread it's still more about luck than skill. Maybe if the bullets hit where you aimed instead of +- 1 meter off the bullseye then it could be called a game of skill.

1.6's recoil isn't random... And if you're stood still your shots will always go in the centre of the xhair

hint: this thread is not about 1.6 but about csgo and so far the spread is random

Assumed he was talking about 1.6 like all the tards who say the bullets 'don't go where you aim'

valve's whole purpose seems to be reskinning old ideas and milking them for money :) will probably never support valve with my money for the rape they did with team fortress

CS:GO will have mouse and keyboard support on PS3, hopefully this works well and becomes the new standard for console FPS.

Hello id software, do this with Doom 4 and Quake 5 please.

Anyone know a good mouse that tracks on couch cushions? :p

I wouldn't expect too much from it. PS2 had mouse support, but the drivers were horrible. Not sure how well they work on PS3/XBOX, but I'm fairly sure that it wasn't a design priority.