so, what are you going to do with this info? are you trying to figure out who is the most deluded ql player? :D

kind of,I'm reading a book called "the invisible gorilla" and theres a section in it where they asked the same type of questions to chess players.

Ahh, I remember seeing the invisble gorilla thing in a lecture on psychology of perception.

Is the book any good? Sounds interesting.

yeah its really interesting,should definitely read it :)

The first 20 pages are badly written and neither funny nor scientific enough to be an interesting read. I hope it gets better.

Self-aggrandizing sentences such as

(...) we try to back up all of our examples with scientific research of the highest quality (...)

are pretty cringeworthy.

everyone to themselves =)

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Yup if god had not punished me I would be on 1650 rating instead of 1593.

My rating is pretty low at the moment, due to me having not played any duel in a long time.

Good to know.

Lol I actually wrote a lot more, but deleted most of it cause I thought no one would be interested, I probably should have just not posted. :D

I've written huge posts before and just ended up not posting them.

haha do that all the time

I suspect it would be low anyway, but now people could see it!

D:

reported this piece of info to me mam!

What do you think your Quakelive ELO rating should be to reflect your true current strength?

this is a tricky question. the QLRanks system hasn't really fully equalized yet. are you asking what my relative ELO ought to be in my assessment now, or what it ought to be "objectively," once things are fully fleshed out? I wouldn't be able to answer the later meaningfully, though, as I'm not really sure how the ratings work or how they'll pan out in the long run.

edit: either way, though, I really don't feel that the system is, uh, mature enough for any of these bits of data to have an overly relevant meaning.

your assessment now,but I understand what you mean.

You have an imposter running around now. Or perhaps just an alt account.

http://qlranks.com/player.aspx?name=tyryI

well that's not especially surprising, but no just in the rare event anyone cares, I don't use any other accounts.

rofl, uppercase I and lowercase L look the same so I created fake tyryl, slugor, and k1llsen accounts

let me give you all an example of how I feel about the overall QLRanks thing. I'm really bored and given to making lists, so I just made some cursory personal assessment of how the current top 100 rankings feel in my mind, as someone experienced in QL duel and familiar with the scene, though my knowledge is by no means perfect (and you can see I have some quirky, weird little perceptions about various things which may not be remotely accurate):


it's basically a continuum. a lot of the names I'm less familiar with than I should be if making a legitimate analysis, so I apologize if anyone is offended or I'm way off on what your actual level is, but this is to give a general impression for why the whole thing may be inaccurate or flawed from the perspective of a long-time player and spectator. what do you folks think?

even if the list is wildly inaccurate, and here and there it may be, it gives a general impression for what the thought process might be to someone familiar with the game, and so some form of conclusion can be reached, at least, namely that, at least right now, these ratings really do not reflect overly much. k1llsen and strenx are way up at the top where they ought to be, but a lot of people up there have no business being. this will surely right itself in time, but it all depends upon activity and such, and I think right now as a real objective "score" for skill levels, there's not much tangible meaning behind it.

thing is that currently there are a lot of one-map-wonders who on their respective map are easily top-tier, however not even mid on others. sirax was saying he would filter that out - don't know how exactly that's gonna work but that would obviously make the ratings more realistic in terms of how players would do against each other in a competition where you cant just f.e. play t4 over and over again :p

also lol'd @ x1ks top tier

yeah well I told you I'm a little bit misinformed about some of the lesser known players. like, I've seen you and x1ks's names in match results and stuff, and you both seem to be decent players, but I'm not in the Euro scene so I can't say just exactly how good you are. I tried my best. :D

more to your particular point, I'm aware that guys like jaysson are really good on ztn, for example, but not so much on the other maps. I remember watching him beat k1llsen on ztn in some ZOTAC or something. I don't think that even a quarter of the guys in the top 50 or so now are even real one-map wonders, though. they're just playing low-skill players and stuff and it's not really a reflection of anything. also, at one point shortly after QLRanks began, I seem to remember gLm1ra being ranked #17 for some time, and all of his matches were dm17 games, so there's that...

I've seen you and x1ks's names in match results and stuff, and you both seem to be decent players, but I'm not in the Euro scene so I can't say just exactly how good you are. I tried my best. :D

I don't cheat tho :|

Hahahha this! :D

cooller is pretty good i heard.

Ye, but doesn't have a single duel since the start of QLRanks

he is so good that is not even listed among the usual players

you mean you donīt know which account he has played on.

Yeah call someone a cheater you don't know.
Well done retard

oh?

p0ni is not like Sombra, he did pretty good things at gamegune few years ago against avek and CZM.

yes, I saw those games, when he played as Phoenix. I was not impressed, though. czm was playing badly and he mostly +backed for 15 minutes. this doesn't mean anything. the skill he's been showing in only matches of late is similar to that of SombrA.

SombrA himself was always a decent player on LANs, but then out of nowhere started beating Cypher online for no apparent reason. it just seems pretty unlikely.

lol at x1ks w/o 'possibly a cheater' mark.

gl1mra is a dm17 only player

fkl is quite good i think, cnt remember

same with bukster

makie is good on ztn but never seen him play anything other than that

poni != sombra

get your facts right

I never said he was, nor did I say anything about "facts."

omg you just totally destroyed me wp wp

it'd seem that way.

i've beaten alot of tops of top-mid, LEMME GO UP

got to sort out the idiots setting their country tags different so as to achieve the "#1 in country" status...

whally -> cyprus
and its not even that bad, theres others that are just dumb
rofl

kids and their egos these days, i tell ya
back in qw we didnt need an arbitrary achievement to justify the 1000's of hours played

but it seems like today people feel guilty about playing a lot and still sucking so they do what they can to remedy that... and it isn't gettng better at the game.

Ye one thing that i dont like

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/560/unledsag.png/

hard to check in-game or without the elo-plugin

i usually play better people than myself (ts%: 21) unlike many others

from that picture i Read Cooller ELO ;D is that the points we need to be as good? :))

speaking for myself, I will mostly just join a server and wait for someone to pop in.
So my opponents ELO could be anything.

Though most of my ELO is build on playing duel once a week in the last few zotacs.

well if u practice alot vs ppl who are better than u i think it will fuck ur elo pretty well

the problem is people are specifically newb hunting to boost their ELO now ;)

ppl like venom wait around in server browser for someone with lower ELO to start dueling so they can go slum and score some easy ELO.. then when outlaw, tyryl, or someone good connects, its "gg gtg" and off to another gray TDM/CTF game for more ego boosting.

edit: average ELO victory/defeat tells the real story about QLranks :P

This reminds me of when I wanted to find a warmupmatch yesterday for zotac, Joined a skillmatched server with a guy named destiny who instaquit when I got in :D

Checked his record and it was 68-0 beating people in the 1000-1200 range.
A bit odd, but luckily most people are not like that.

Destiny is one of bodzo's fake accounts iirc.

well lol at him then ^^

Who is p0ni? He's beating a lot of good players and playing 24/7.

http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&id=1584500

just in case anon's post there doesn't make sense, poni = phoenix

Personally I don't take "ELO" seriously at all.

I don't think ELO rating is actually very suitable for quakelive (or fps gaming in general).The ELO rating system was designed for chess.If you look at chess you notice that there are no variables such as ping,starting spawns,fps.Some players may feel that they should have a higher ELO than they do maybe due to a combination of these variables.

IMO,if it is possible,there should be some way of taking ping,fps etc into account when you beat someone.

ping and spawn locations could be very easily quantified, although having a system to keep track of spawn location would be very difficult.

it would be simple to have a variable preferred spawn (the furthest away) assigned an arbitrary point value, say 5, and every spawn closer than that has a lower number. therefore at the end of a match if a player has a low "spawn score" then it would be clear they got spawn raped for most of the frags.

it made less and less sense as i typed it but im going to hit enter anyway

[+]ed for being honest about saying something obviously stupid for the fuck of it.

yyeah, lmao

Can you gain elo points by playing someone ranked a few hundred points higher than you but not losing as badly as predicted?

no, score doesn't matter. only win or loss counts.

well that's annoying.

a win is a win.a loss is a loss.

some top players may take it easy against lesser skilled opponents to give themselves more of a challenge.

well it's kinda stupid when I out control the map while I have 160ms and still get beaten just because the opponent is some rail-shaftwhore with 30ms who never pulls out rockets or plasma.

Thats why I said,


I don't think ELO rating is actually very suitable for quakelive (or fps gaming in general).The ELO rating system was designed for chess.If you look at chess you notice that there are no variables such as ping,starting spawns,fps.Some players may feel that they should have a higher ELO than they do maybe due to a combination of these variables.

IMO,if it is possible,there should be some way of taking ping,fps etc into account when you beat someone.

fyi: here is a (q4) ladder which honors the score:

http://ladder.reallysoft.de/laddercgi/duelLad...mp;last=25

fuck you, sir.

was directed at nordic and pot head nubs , not rocket shaft princesses.

I can't help it, there's no rail in qw.

it still keeps you image of a princess intact :D

gonna be over 9000

http://qlranks.com/player.aspx?name=tox

maybe giving 0 points for elo diff bigger than say 200 could help

Anyone know who Prockz is or any background info?

LakermaN

u srs?

no, but ins is on to something.

galten

Why can't people understand it's Elo, not ELO? It's a name, not an acronym.