I decided to make separate threads so that each map gets its proper discussion area. When the time is right, I will collect all links to a container page.

tbh i couldnt care less about ztn as i play that map for 8 years or smth :D
but this one is $$$$$$, i decided to learn this map but sucking hard on it also only played 50 matches so far.
thanks for making this!

i love you <3

I can confirm this one:
- from RL-platform to top-LG-hallways

Shit, this is amazing. Thanks.

How did you come up with 1/9 probability? Should be about twice as high.

There are 18 spawns, 50% is 9, so 1/9. Wrong?

Ok I must admit I hadn't watched the video prior to commenting so you seem to be right. However from my experience I felt like some spawns occured with a higher likeliness than that.

- from bottom-mega-room to the bottom-LG-room
- from top-LG-hallways to top-mega-room
- from RL-platform to top-LG-hallways

Yep, all these are true. Also:

- from plasma-yellow to area near entrance of top-LG-hallways (you can spam rockets/plasma directly)

They can spawn directly in front in the pg room too as well as in the lower PG doorway. So I usually spam a rocket at the top spawn near LG hallway then look to see if they spawned at bottom LG, if not they can also spawn directly in front which you can catch them out easy. So thats like 3/9 = 1/3 chances of either killing the opponent or knowing where they will be so you can set up a trap.

EDIT: Also they can spawn inside the LG hallway and the other spawn outside it as well as under the PG room and probably in the RA room. So a good plan of attack after killing someone at PG Yellow Armour is to spam a rocket at the top LG hallway spawn, check if he'd spawn under LG or in front of you then you can say he spawned inside the LG hallway or in RA platform or under PG room. So depending on the sounds you hear etc, you can catch out the opponent under the pg area or trapping them in LG hallway.

Thanks for this, keep them coming!

i like this videos really, they show the great depth about control/spawnrunning, thx for mentioning the extreme amount of spawns on this map (gets really interesting with the initial spawns!)

2 points I like to add:
it's not just the line of sight spawns that are interesting, but also those that you can hear, where you keep in "control over your opponent" and restrict him to max. 1 weapon + 1 YA,. Also it's important to know where your opponent can spawn "invisibly".
If you're up top RL, and you don't hear him spawn he might either get a SG/lg ammo spawn near mega; back PG spawn or possibly even a LG spawn, so take care.

Another thing that I'm tinkering with still is how the "farthest away" spawns are actually calculated. Is it just distance? Is it distance on the 2D plane? Someone proposed on the official forums to consider the time a bot would need to reach one of those points - is that a factor? 2bad there's no in-depth explanation for things like those by the devs, because differences between those options might be huge.

I know of these possibilities to spawn-rape people on this map:

1. As you already said, from the MH-den to the spawn below LG-YA or to the spawn in at the left of the entrance to the spiral-staircase.

2. from Top-YA (the one near Plasma) to the spawn in the corner of the platform in front of you.

3. From the Top platform (where the two spawns are at) to the one behind the small stairs that lead to the entrance to the area/room above MH, or directly to the spawn inside that entrance.

4. From the Rocket Launcher spawn to the one in the 50HP hallway.

Always simply shoot rockets or plasma to the spawn and with some luck you will hit the guy spawning and possibly kill him or cripple him a lot (which on this map is even worse than dying).