Internet latency is not always stable but it's fluctuating! They can't even make the current netcode bugfree and you would add more feature?
And what if the other player has a 17" monitor and I have a 21" one, I must sit further away then, or play in windowed mode to make things balanced?
The level of shitstrom this would unleash is mind-blowing.

Don't forget touchpads!

not sure if trolling or trolling

#1 and #2 also playing with cheats in Quake Live.

So, they think it's ok ;)

yep trolling

You've obviously never played quakeworld.

This , and it should be a command that you use to set an added delay and it should announce it on the server when you change it so everyone knows that you handicapped yourself.

Only a shit game would need players to adjust their pings by steps of 13 ms because the netcode is shit and the community retarded. BOOHOO THE OTHER GUY HAS 27 BUT MINE IS 39!!!!! SO IMBA AND UNFAIR BOO FUCKING HOO

qw tells you how old the snapshot you're using is, not what your actual ping is.
edit : or rather, how late you're behind the one used by the server, derp.
1 snapshot every 13ms is still faster than cpma ( 40ms between snapshots ) and ql ( 25ms ).

You have big problems with logic

Try to answer these questions, they will help you.

1. Qw netcode = Ql netcode?
2. Both players have 2000 elo with ping 0.
Now who win? Write in %
100ms-0ms
80ms-0ms
70ms-0ms
50ms-0ms
40ms-0ms
30ms-0ms
20ms-0ms
10ms-0ms

1. For the most part, yes.
2. your poing being? You don't have to use that system if you don't want to.

You not answer on 2 :).


It's a key, c'mon

?

lol

Why would I bother typing 5+ lines considering any non-retarded human being could figure out the different possibilities on the fly ?

Because you will understand why this possibility is necessary.

It's not necessary. It's a good addition within certain limits ( anything that fits in the " not being a cunt " category ) but certainly not something that should be forced upon the players.

he's 15 years old. Don't waste your time explaining him something that has been discussed since before he was born.

It's pretty clear that the OP didn't research at all before posting.

You ignoring my questions :( .

They very simple, but you ignoring.

You could not abstract and simply answer.

You have very bad logic...

" You have very bad logic " as you're the one trying to get me to answer a completely pointless question.

omg

zomg

in q3 people whined that the netcode wasn't suitable for high ping, if it was there would be no whine (or so they said). ping friendly netcode.. still whine, gg.

Server must setup ping automatically by vote.

No reason in other commands and no problem.

There is a problem. I don't wanna play with 50ms.

then if you go by this logic :

if you 1v1 a warping fagget, server should make your outcoming packets warps also at the same rate as the other.

I m amased to see how many people warps on QL.. I mean come the fuck on, it s 21 century isnt it?! Or are you doing it on purpose.

timenudge -20, fucking warpers

People on the internet aren't nearly as tech savvy as they used to be.
Networks are overloaded.
Cunts don't care.

I lag but not for cfg or other settings reason, it's because of one of the last 'big' updates. Since then I have massive fps issues. On t4 for example I constantly rush down to 70 fps then back up to 90 and then 125 etc.

Blame isps not players

Quakeworld had an artificial ping option at some point. It produced horrible side effects.

If it was done correctly it could be interesting. It has some abuse potential that would have to be considered though.

that thing was horrible:(

Yep : (

The dreaded "MinPing".

quakeworld through ezquake currently has cl_delay_packets which is quite nice

All opponents should admit what to play equal conditions for them awfully.

I am am surprised with dullness of your arguments.


My mum warned that there are some type of people, this type called

BUGERMANS

WHERE'S MY GROUP HUH ! WHERE IS IT!

I think it will be very cool

\o/

trolling or america = same :(

strenx would still whine

Why would I care about someone else's shit connection?

Latency because of big distance from server to client, not connection


lol

QL's netcode just seems to be full of shit.

So, I must fuck my experience, because of someone else shit internet/location? Good luck with that idea.

you're from fucking bulgaria, odds are you'll have 80 ping on eu servers and warp like shit while at it.

Close, I have 32ms ping in de, fiber optic 8.75MB/s up/down(BG+international). Also I have good pings around all eu servers(up to 50ms).

YOU JELLY?

right

I am serious.

Actually bulgarian internet is the shit. Sadly it's the only shit with a the in front of it here. :<

There are no netcode which solve latency difference problem

latency difference <> latency,

you can't kill latency by any netcode,so this thread about DIFFERENCE!

Retarded States Of America

America/Araguaina

wtf is that timezone?

wouldnt hurt if this were an option... all the people saying "why would i sacrifice my experience for others with crap connections" should just not use it... but in reality, different pings is like one guy playing with rockets dealing 100damage and the other guy only dealing 80dmg...

lets say the game itself would present you two weapons, one with 10ms delay, and one with 50ms delay, and the weapons would be assigned to players randomly, each player gets one or the other... imagine the players outrage at such an unfair system...

for more serious games over the internet this should be a standard and also an honorable thing among players in friendly games.. the limits of compensation should be defined by the admins of tourneys and agreed upon by players themselves in friendly games.. if you want to play an american with 120 ping and level it out thats your choice...

Quake is a professional discipline

PROFESSIONAL

PROFESSIONAL

PROFESSIONAL

Why people on ZOTAC changes server?
Why stars leaving their countries to fly on championship location?

Ohhh, it was much better to play for 4000$ at home with ping difference 20-30 ms! Why they flying? I don't understand... hmmm...very difficult!.hmmmm..and id make netcode better...hmmmm...

Ohh ....i got it!




They flying because of show on scene !



facepalm

Quake is a professional discipline

PROFESSIONAL

PROFESSIONAL

PROFESSIONAL

repeating false facts wont make them become true.

If id really had free developer resources available for the QuakeLive project, it would make more sense to improve netcode overall, instead of adding a weird feature that has not been proven to work in any game so far.

facepalm

THEY CAN'T IMPROVE NETCODE, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO KILL LATENCY

read this 10 times
after that print it on paper and hang up on a wall

read this 10 times
after that print it on paper and hang up on a wall

And sign it with, (c) Angry kid from ESR.

Not really related to the OP, but this seems like roughly the right place to ask: does ping actually make as big a difference as people claim?

Seeing 35-60 categorised as 'high ping' seems a bit crazy to me. I play on 35-40, and it doesn't feel like it's having a massive impact on anything.

Also, people often talk about the effect of ping on LG accuracy. What's the deal with this, I got the feeling lag compensation worked decently well and allowed you to succeed by aiming at the model, on anything other than crazy-high ping? Seems like the real impact is on projectile weapons, RL and PG.

I play 20-70 and hit the same accs, just adjust timenudge and it isn't a big deal.

Haven't used timenudge before. I've got a couple of questions, no pressure on you to answer them, hopefully somebody will.

Just to check that I understand it: QL servers send information at 25ms intervals, and by default the client will use that 25ms gap to smoothly move the player to the most recent position from the previous position? And negative timenudge values reduce the 'smooth movement' time, so that the latest information shows up sooner, with the tradeoff being that your opponents' movement looks a bit jerky?

Do different pings affect the way this works, or is it just that you can make 40 ping and 20 ping feel similar by using a lower timenudge value in the first case?

And lastly, how does the lag compensation [edit: I'm talking about QL's antilag, not the suggestion in the OP] work -- does it take your timenudge setting into account? And if not, does it act as if there's no smoothing, and you're always seeing the latest snapshot, or does it allow for a bit of extra 'smoothing' lag?

Now I'm a bit confused by some other stuff (random forum posts) I've read. Is there also an element of 'prediction', as in the client is actually trying to smoothly move towards the next snapshot, the one that hasn't even arrived yet?

Nobody really knows for sure except the guy who coded all that stuff for id I guess.

Ah ok! I'll just have to try things out and see what feels best.

To be honest, all of these questions are beyond me.

I just adjust timenudge based on ping and it feels the same as 30 ping or so.

I use -7 on 40 ping, -15 on 50 ping and beyond that -20 timenudge.

I know this isn't the answer you want but I do what I can

:D
That's still helpful, and about 100000000x better than the people who just spout made-up answers with complete confidence.

ql sends @ 25ms intervals? It may not be correct or whatnot but perhaps people hit best at +10 - +15 intervals of that due to the netcode or whatever the fuck is compensating for that extra delay.

i.e. You may hit more at 37 ping than at 25, or 62 rather than 50.

I have no idea how any of it works, but that would seem to make sense.

40hz server = new snapshot calculated every 25 ms.
Somehow, ping > 25 feels like lg sticks more than sub 25, which would be kinda logical considering antilag requires the server to have at least 2 snaps before anything can be done.

It can either be placebo ( because with the slight delay, hitsounds are "packed" together ) or a real technical issue.
inb4 tn -5/-10 and truelightning 0 if someone can actually prove that.
On lan ( lalala ), you're sitting next to the server and get recently calculated snapshots so fast it would be pretty much irrelevant to use those settings, even though 40hz is fucking ghetto for lan in 2011 - 60-120hz would be better

You play 35-40, but your opponent ping is?
And what level you and your opponent?

Btw your games not important because we can compare games on ZOTAC where Strenx leader, but on LAN he win 1-3 times.

it explain everything i told

I wasn't trying to prove anything, it was a genuine question. I'm skeptical of the importance of ping, but I'm not pretending that I know best.

Just wanted to get a feel for what Quakers in general think, because if you don't ask people you often just hear from those with 'extreme' views.

(To answer your questions: it depends! I'm mediocre, and my opponents vary in skill from significantly worse than me to significantly better. Their pings vary too, from maybe 10-80, at a guess I'd say usually around 20-50.

I've got 1ms to moscow server(4-6ms ingame) and sometimes it feels worse than 40-50ms to europe where you can aim slightly behind the model and still hit, on low ping that isnt rly that noticiable.
Honestly I'd say any pings below 60ms are fine, hitscan isn't that affectedf(using timenudge) and the only difference growing with the ping are delayed projectiles and harder dodging. 60-80 is also playable, but feels worse, and 80+ isnt antilag corrected so it's hard to play with that

i warry between 40-70 and i can tell u theres big difference if, at least if u arent messing around with timenudge. on 70 ping i hit ~33% shaft, on 40 i hit ~38%

mess with timenudge then silly!

I manage to hit over 40 shaft 30-70, though anything past 70 feels like garbage

I've stopped playing on canadian servers a long time ago because of this weird delay. On 90% of toronto servers I ping around 20, but everything seems more delayed. 30-50 pings servers are ideal for me, which is pretty weird.

All of your games examples are BULLSHIT and my games too!

But we have PROFESSIONAL GAMES FOR MONEY and PROgamers change servers on ZOTAC

It prove all that i write here!
Your examples are BULLSHIT
Your examples are BULLSHIT
Your examples are BULLSHIT


WE HAVE OBJECTIVE OPINION OF PROGAMERS


Try to understand it and read 10 times


:)

whaet

not sure if your raythenoob or just another shit-trolling

play Warsow if you want retarded high-ping-netcode decisions

but remember: Strenx won the US jeesports cup (vs z4) with 110 ping

ZeRo4 had 85

still, that was a quite impressive win

any vod of that final anywhere?

Statistics not on your side

you overestimate the influence of ping on your game, imho you're just a baddie

Not my game, but ZOTAC, see this sunday

see what

strenx vs pavel ping whine in finals

It's not strenx fault and it's not like strenx plays with low ping

60 is a lot less than 90, and the only reason they both arent on 90 ping is because strenx dont wanna

also, strenx refuse to play on swedish servers because his ping is bad there, where i cant imagine pavels is

IT HAS BEGAN!! \:D/

very very good idea.

i want a fairness vote option since im playing one handed (other hand for wanking) and no sound

no sound? Well I guess lubricants are also getting advanced over time...

Very useful possibility. Many ppl will use it very often.

Yeeee, this ZOTAC was awesome.
We can read dialog here from 36:00
http://www.own3d.tv/TeamEmpire#/watch/331937
zotac 113 part 1

so you're suggesting that a good connection that i pay good money for should be artificially fucked up so some poor twat from africa could play duels with me?

i think he wants it for tournament games. even if cypher is able to beat strenx with 70 against 40 ping, its not fair

sir, I hope for your sake that you're a mexican because being 15 and not knowing your native tongue is pretty sad.

How did we not notice the fucking warning signs ?