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http://i.imgur.com/dbqdT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/m5vQT.jpg
It appears I was banned through a combination of trolling, chat spamming, advertising hacked servers, but not hacking.
The hacked DeFraG server hasn't been blocked yet by Quake Live. If Sync really cared about the hacked server/banned, then why doesn't he block it? Nobody else who joined the hacked server was banned, only me.
And since I'm the only one who joined the hacked server and I got banned, I believe the matter is personal.
For the chat spamming incident, I haven't spammed chat in the past 8 months. Sync won't even provide me a single demo or chatlog.
It's sad to see Quake Live has bizarre priorities. They focus on banning 21% accuracy shitties like me but not hackers like xhilerate. Why? Because xhilerate has fucking "Premium" right next to his profile name.
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Status #exposedX #quakeliveX SyncError|workX
[11:18] <SyncError|work> First off, list what accounts you are speaking about.
[11:18] <Fudge> Fudge911
[11:18] <SyncError|work> So that I can actually look up the account status and ban reasons.
[11:18] <Fudge> k "Fudge911"
[11:20] <Fudge> It's an IP ban, not an account ban
[11:20] <Fudge> but Sponge said I was IP banned for something that happened on my Fudge911 account
[11:22] <SyncError|work> Ah okay so
[11:22] <Fudge> yes?
[11:22] <SyncError|work> What I see is that your main account is banned until 02/17/2011 for excessive spamming of in-game chat.
[11:23] <SyncError|work> But your alt accounts...
[11:23] <Fudge> k, thats what sponge said
[11:23] <Fudge> umm, i havent spammed chat in the past 6 months
[11:23] <Fudge> is there a specific demo or chatlog>?
[11:23] <SyncError|work> That may be the case, I wouldn't know.
[11:23] <Fudge> are you allowed to tell me who banned me?
[11:23] <SyncError|work> Regardless if evidence is turned in, its fair for a punishment to be given, even if it was delayed.
[11:24] <Fudge> if no evidence is turned in within the next week or so, will i still be banned?
[11:24] <SyncError|work> Looks like your alt accounts were banned for joinin a pirate server..
[11:24] <SyncError|work> and that is where the ip ban is coming from.
[11:24] <SyncError|work> No one is banned for such things without evidence being turned in.
[11:24] <Fudge> this may seem unrelated, but are you DrHorrible?
[11:24] <SyncError|work> Someone had to have sent a demo to support, had that demo reviewed, and judged by support.
[11:25] <Fudge> one my my friends told me to connect to the server, and i idd :(
[11:25] <SyncError|work> Sounds highly unrelated? :)
[11:25] <Fudge> i didnt know it was a pirated server
[11:25] <Fudge> if no evidence is turned in within the next week or so, my ban will be lifted?
[11:26] <SyncError|work> I already answered that!
[11:26] <SyncError|work> "No one is banned for such things without evidence being turned in."
[11:26] <Fudge> yes but i was still banned
[11:26] <SyncError|work> Yes
[11:26] <Fudge> even though there was no evidence?
[11:26] <SyncError|work> so someone turned something in.
[11:26] <SyncError|work> No
[11:26] <SyncError|work> There had to have been evidence.
[11:26] <SyncError|work> Someone submitted a demo.
[11:26] <Fudge> ....
[11:26] <SyncError|work> We dont ban people on word-of-mouth.
[11:26] <Fudge> amd i allowed to request a copy of the demo?
[11:27] <SyncError|work> As you noted, maybe it was an old demo.
[11:27] <SyncError|work> I don't know that, I haven't seen the demo.
[11:27] <Fudge> regardless of the content of the demo, if it concerns me, and i allowed to see it?
[11:27] <SyncError|work> But if you were banned, its because it was either behavior observed by an admin, or another player submitted a demo, and that demo was then reviewed.
[11:28] <Fudge> so let me get things straight, is the chat spamming ban and IP ban?
[11:28] <Fudge> or is it joining the cracked server bit
[11:28] <Fudge> regardless of the content of the demo, if it concerns me, and i allowed to see it?
[11:28] <SyncError|work> No, we don't make a practice of sending reports back to players, that's a really bad practice for a lot of reasons.
[11:28] <SyncError|work> More so in the cases of cheating..
[11:29] <SyncError|work> ..but I don't see a reason to do so.
[11:29] <Fudge> youre talking about "a" demo
[11:29] <Fudge> why would i get a chat ban for 2 months if I did spam a few lines of text?
[11:29] <Fudge> in one game
[11:29] <Fudge> doesnt that sound a bit severe?
[11:29] <SyncError|work> Again I have not seen the demo.
[11:29] <SyncError|work> It may have been constant spam
[11:30] <SyncError|work> or may have had vulgar/racists/sexists/who knows what content in it.
[11:30] <Fudge> will you review it? or is that ordus' job?
[11:30] <SyncError|work> That is the job of Customer Support.
[11:30] <Fudge> problem is, i havent gotten a definite reply in 6 days :(
[11:31] <SyncError|work> Our offices are officially closed from Dec 26th-Jan 3rd.
[11:31] <SyncError|work> I'm actually in here on my day off atm, we open tomorrow.
[11:31] <Fudge> ah
[11:32] <Fudge> if the evidence appears to be faulty, is it even possible for my ban to be lifted/reduced?
[11:32] <Fudge> and what part does the "joining cracked server" bit fit into my ban?
[11:32] <Fudge> because it seems like you're only talking about the chat spamming ban
[11:34] <SyncError|work> Well concerning other issue of joining the pirated server...
[11:34] <SyncError|work> ...and from what I've seen advertising it on ESR
[11:34] <SyncError|work> and posting to the thread after others have pointed out that it was an illegal server
[11:34] <SyncError|work> and according to these account notes, that you joined that server after the dates of the posts on ESR where it became clear that it was a pirate server..
[11:34] <SyncError|work> I think the chat spam is the lesser concern atm.
[11:34] <Fudge> im not sure about ids policy about pirated servers
[11:34] <Fudge> nothing like this has been attempted, correct?
[11:35] <SyncError|work> What do you mean?
[11:35] <Fudge> theres nothing in your policy that states you cant join servers hosted by players, right?
[11:35] <SyncError|work> Creating or joining a pirated server is against the official Terms of Use.
[11:35] <Fudge> a pirated server is a server hosted by another player?
[11:36] <Fudge> and i dont see anything about that in here.. http://www.quakelive.com/#!legals/terms_of_use
[11:36] <SyncError|work> next to last
[11:37] <SyncError|work> "attempt to use Id Software software games on or thorugh any service that is not controlled or authorized by Id Software
[11:37] <SyncError|work> under User Conduct
[11:37] <Fudge> thats a bit vauge...
[11:37] <SyncError|work> Furthermore
[11:38] <Fudge> anyways it penalizes players for joining the server? not hosting them
[11:38] <Fudge> so the host of the pirated server does not get banned, but the players do
[11:38] <SyncError|work> "promote or encourage any illegal activity including hacking, cracking or distribution of counterfeit software"
[11:38] <SyncError|work> This is not something that you should be arguing with me.
[11:38] <Fudge> im not, im just having trouble processing
[11:39] <Fudge> umm isnt qlprism a violation of these terms?
[11:39] <SyncError|work> It is not vague and not up for question.
[11:39] <SyncError|work> The Terms do clearly state that it is not allowed
[11:39] <SyncError|work> Anyone we find running or joining a pirated server is subject to discplinary actions.
[11:39] <Fudge> okay
[11:39] <Fudge> so even if it is found out i did not spam servers, i'll still be banned
[11:40] <Fudge> for joining a server
[11:41] <Fudge> because the joining server violation is more servere than chat spamming, thus I'll still be banned
[11:42] <Fudge> ?
[11:43] <SyncError|work> one moment
[11:43] <Fudge> k
[11:43] <SyncError|work> phone call :)
[11:43] <Fudge> np
[11:55] <SyncError|work> back
[11:55] <Fudge> k
[11:56] <Fudge> so..
[11:56] <Fudge> so even if it is found out i did not spam servers, i'll still be banned
[11:56] <SyncError|work> So, there isn't much to say at this point. I would probably agree with you that the joining of pirated servers, and more so the public advertising of them on ESR is a greater offense than the chat spam.
[11:56] <Fudge> so even if it is found out i did not spam servers, i'll still be banned?
[11:57] <SyncError|work> Those offenses fully justify an account suspension.
[11:57] <Fudge> okay
[11:57] <SyncError|work> As I noted, our offices are closed today, but tomorrow when it is open and everyone is here..
[11:57] <SyncError|work> I'll bring the matter up for discussion between sponge and Ordus, as well as our other QL team members here at id
[11:57] <Fudge> but it doesnt matter, because ill still be banned from the pirated server offense
[11:57] <Fudge> okay
[11:57] <SyncError|work> and we'll make a decision whether that should be converted to a temporary suspension
[11:57] <SyncError|work> or how in general we wish to handle these matters.
[11:58] <Fudge> thanks for your help, and i appreciate you doing something like this on an off day
[11:58] <Fudge> :)
Since my account is banned, I'm probably going to play LoL and Counter Strike.
I'll probably turn into raythenoob, too, and get arrested for attempting to hack iD or something.
http://i.imgur.com/m5vQT.jpg
It appears I was banned through a combination of trolling, chat spamming, advertising hacked servers, but not hacking.
The hacked DeFraG server hasn't been blocked yet by Quake Live. If Sync really cared about the hacked server/banned, then why doesn't he block it? Nobody else who joined the hacked server was banned, only me.
And since I'm the only one who joined the hacked server and I got banned, I believe the matter is personal.
For the chat spamming incident, I haven't spammed chat in the past 8 months. Sync won't even provide me a single demo or chatlog.
It's sad to see Quake Live has bizarre priorities. They focus on banning 21% accuracy shitties like me but not hackers like xhilerate. Why? Because xhilerate has fucking "Premium" right next to his profile name.
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Status #exposedX #quakeliveX SyncError|workX
[11:18] <SyncError|work> First off, list what accounts you are speaking about.
[11:18] <Fudge> Fudge911
[11:18] <SyncError|work> So that I can actually look up the account status and ban reasons.
[11:18] <Fudge> k "Fudge911"
[11:20] <Fudge> It's an IP ban, not an account ban
[11:20] <Fudge> but Sponge said I was IP banned for something that happened on my Fudge911 account
[11:22] <SyncError|work> Ah okay so
[11:22] <Fudge> yes?
[11:22] <SyncError|work> What I see is that your main account is banned until 02/17/2011 for excessive spamming of in-game chat.
[11:23] <SyncError|work> But your alt accounts...
[11:23] <Fudge> k, thats what sponge said
[11:23] <Fudge> umm, i havent spammed chat in the past 6 months
[11:23] <Fudge> is there a specific demo or chatlog>?
[11:23] <SyncError|work> That may be the case, I wouldn't know.
[11:23] <Fudge> are you allowed to tell me who banned me?
[11:23] <SyncError|work> Regardless if evidence is turned in, its fair for a punishment to be given, even if it was delayed.
[11:24] <Fudge> if no evidence is turned in within the next week or so, will i still be banned?
[11:24] <SyncError|work> Looks like your alt accounts were banned for joinin a pirate server..
[11:24] <SyncError|work> and that is where the ip ban is coming from.
[11:24] <SyncError|work> No one is banned for such things without evidence being turned in.
[11:24] <Fudge> this may seem unrelated, but are you DrHorrible?
[11:24] <SyncError|work> Someone had to have sent a demo to support, had that demo reviewed, and judged by support.
[11:25] <Fudge> one my my friends told me to connect to the server, and i idd :(
[11:25] <SyncError|work> Sounds highly unrelated? :)
[11:25] <Fudge> i didnt know it was a pirated server
[11:25] <Fudge> if no evidence is turned in within the next week or so, my ban will be lifted?
[11:26] <SyncError|work> I already answered that!
[11:26] <SyncError|work> "No one is banned for such things without evidence being turned in."
[11:26] <Fudge> yes but i was still banned
[11:26] <SyncError|work> Yes
[11:26] <Fudge> even though there was no evidence?
[11:26] <SyncError|work> so someone turned something in.
[11:26] <SyncError|work> No
[11:26] <SyncError|work> There had to have been evidence.
[11:26] <SyncError|work> Someone submitted a demo.
[11:26] <Fudge> ....
[11:26] <SyncError|work> We dont ban people on word-of-mouth.
[11:26] <Fudge> amd i allowed to request a copy of the demo?
[11:27] <SyncError|work> As you noted, maybe it was an old demo.
[11:27] <SyncError|work> I don't know that, I haven't seen the demo.
[11:27] <Fudge> regardless of the content of the demo, if it concerns me, and i allowed to see it?
[11:27] <SyncError|work> But if you were banned, its because it was either behavior observed by an admin, or another player submitted a demo, and that demo was then reviewed.
[11:28] <Fudge> so let me get things straight, is the chat spamming ban and IP ban?
[11:28] <Fudge> or is it joining the cracked server bit
[11:28] <Fudge> regardless of the content of the demo, if it concerns me, and i allowed to see it?
[11:28] <SyncError|work> No, we don't make a practice of sending reports back to players, that's a really bad practice for a lot of reasons.
[11:28] <SyncError|work> More so in the cases of cheating..
[11:29] <SyncError|work> ..but I don't see a reason to do so.
[11:29] <Fudge> youre talking about "a" demo
[11:29] <Fudge> why would i get a chat ban for 2 months if I did spam a few lines of text?
[11:29] <Fudge> in one game
[11:29] <Fudge> doesnt that sound a bit severe?
[11:29] <SyncError|work> Again I have not seen the demo.
[11:29] <SyncError|work> It may have been constant spam
[11:30] <SyncError|work> or may have had vulgar/racists/sexists/who knows what content in it.
[11:30] <Fudge> will you review it? or is that ordus' job?
[11:30] <SyncError|work> That is the job of Customer Support.
[11:30] <Fudge> problem is, i havent gotten a definite reply in 6 days :(
[11:31] <SyncError|work> Our offices are officially closed from Dec 26th-Jan 3rd.
[11:31] <SyncError|work> I'm actually in here on my day off atm, we open tomorrow.
[11:31] <Fudge> ah
[11:32] <Fudge> if the evidence appears to be faulty, is it even possible for my ban to be lifted/reduced?
[11:32] <Fudge> and what part does the "joining cracked server" bit fit into my ban?
[11:32] <Fudge> because it seems like you're only talking about the chat spamming ban
[11:34] <SyncError|work> Well concerning other issue of joining the pirated server...
[11:34] <SyncError|work> ...and from what I've seen advertising it on ESR
[11:34] <SyncError|work> and posting to the thread after others have pointed out that it was an illegal server
[11:34] <SyncError|work> and according to these account notes, that you joined that server after the dates of the posts on ESR where it became clear that it was a pirate server..
[11:34] <SyncError|work> I think the chat spam is the lesser concern atm.
[11:34] <Fudge> im not sure about ids policy about pirated servers
[11:34] <Fudge> nothing like this has been attempted, correct?
[11:35] <SyncError|work> What do you mean?
[11:35] <Fudge> theres nothing in your policy that states you cant join servers hosted by players, right?
[11:35] <SyncError|work> Creating or joining a pirated server is against the official Terms of Use.
[11:35] <Fudge> a pirated server is a server hosted by another player?
[11:36] <Fudge> and i dont see anything about that in here.. http://www.quakelive.com/#!legals/terms_of_use
[11:36] <SyncError|work> next to last
[11:37] <SyncError|work> "attempt to use Id Software software games on or thorugh any service that is not controlled or authorized by Id Software
[11:37] <SyncError|work> under User Conduct
[11:37] <Fudge> thats a bit vauge...
[11:37] <SyncError|work> Furthermore
[11:38] <Fudge> anyways it penalizes players for joining the server? not hosting them
[11:38] <Fudge> so the host of the pirated server does not get banned, but the players do
[11:38] <SyncError|work> "promote or encourage any illegal activity including hacking, cracking or distribution of counterfeit software"
[11:38] <SyncError|work> This is not something that you should be arguing with me.
[11:38] <Fudge> im not, im just having trouble processing
[11:39] <Fudge> umm isnt qlprism a violation of these terms?
[11:39] <SyncError|work> It is not vague and not up for question.
[11:39] <SyncError|work> The Terms do clearly state that it is not allowed
[11:39] <SyncError|work> Anyone we find running or joining a pirated server is subject to discplinary actions.
[11:39] <Fudge> okay
[11:39] <Fudge> so even if it is found out i did not spam servers, i'll still be banned
[11:40] <Fudge> for joining a server
[11:41] <Fudge> because the joining server violation is more servere than chat spamming, thus I'll still be banned
[11:42] <Fudge> ?
[11:43] <SyncError|work> one moment
[11:43] <Fudge> k
[11:43] <SyncError|work> phone call :)
[11:43] <Fudge> np
[11:55] <SyncError|work> back
[11:55] <Fudge> k
[11:56] <Fudge> so..
[11:56] <Fudge> so even if it is found out i did not spam servers, i'll still be banned
[11:56] <SyncError|work> So, there isn't much to say at this point. I would probably agree with you that the joining of pirated servers, and more so the public advertising of them on ESR is a greater offense than the chat spam.
[11:56] <Fudge> so even if it is found out i did not spam servers, i'll still be banned?
[11:57] <SyncError|work> Those offenses fully justify an account suspension.
[11:57] <Fudge> okay
[11:57] <SyncError|work> As I noted, our offices are closed today, but tomorrow when it is open and everyone is here..
[11:57] <SyncError|work> I'll bring the matter up for discussion between sponge and Ordus, as well as our other QL team members here at id
[11:57] <Fudge> but it doesnt matter, because ill still be banned from the pirated server offense
[11:57] <Fudge> okay
[11:57] <SyncError|work> and we'll make a decision whether that should be converted to a temporary suspension
[11:57] <SyncError|work> or how in general we wish to handle these matters.
[11:58] <Fudge> thanks for your help, and i appreciate you doing something like this on an off day
[11:58] <Fudge> :)
Since my account is banned, I'm probably going to play LoL and Counter Strike.
I'll probably turn into raythenoob, too, and get arrested for attempting to hack iD or something.
Edited by Fudge911 at 15:12 CST, 4 January 2012 - 55007 Hits
