A somewhat one sided answer, perhaps. Points for invoking Curtis in this thread.

that shit had me crying

you win.

Doesn't sound like she'd decided based on rational or logical thinking.

Should you try and convince her otherwise? If you care about her and don't want to see her gone forever, it'd probably be a good idea.

Should you try and stop her? Depends on all the details you didn't reveal to us really.

It's not much to go on, granted that. I just don't know how explicit I want to be or even can be at this point. I'm sure you can appreciate that. She is 30 years old, has a very bleak outlook on everything, been cutting herself etc regularly for 15 years. That her boyfriend is a borderline that cuts himself like you wouldn't believe and is in and out of mental institutions probably doesn't help. The thing is, she is very intelligent and independent. It's not like talking to an irrational and desperate guy at the top of a building. She says similar things when she is not drunken but it's ofc not as dramatic/explicit.

Sounds like a miserable existence.

What do you think? Do you think her life could be significantly improved in the short term or even long term?

I have always believed that no one on this earth is beyond redemption and salvation from bad or destructive behavior. But in this case, my very world view comes into question because I have never seen misery of this sort before. I have seen people suffer as much but there has always been a glimmer of hope somewhere, something they take joy and solace from. Be it the bible, painting, spending time with their kids or whatever.

I don't know. But if I am to persue this further, I need to know that she is on board and wants me to try and help her. I would not want to force help on her that she doesn't want. I respect her too much as an individual.

If you agree that it should be a rational and logical choice, then you also agree that after a long discussion, she might come out on top forcing you to agree that death is the best solution?

That's fine by me :)

Not that logic or rational thinking need matter here.

(:

She doesn't have to convince me, I would readily accept that. (Maybe not but that's my stance in general, my emotions could very well take over at that point, I'm only human after all).

Edit: Sorry didn't notice your post wasn't aimed at me.

Yeah. I feel like suicidal people are everywhere. Or maybe I just attract them. In general I feel like they have a good reason to want to die. I mean, on one level it's a moral choice. To end suffering (general).

threaten to cut her up with a straight razor if she commits suicide

I would like to beat your fugly face in but it's the internet so I guess I can't really blame you for being such a soulless cynic even on a topic like this one.

but if you tell her that, it might make her laugh at least for ma small bit. Perharps maybe take her mind off of her problems for half a second while she smiles jusr a little bit..

Maybe but I don't think it's a very good joke as far as morbid jokes go. But she looks happier now. I think we weathered the storm this time.

glad she's doing better

funny because my best friend just confessed to me that he would like to take his life to :/

Man, what a fuck top world we live in.. :/

It's common as fuck. Had another friend tell me this today. :(

Your friend has a history of these problems? If you need someone to throw around ideas with, send me a pm.

Canada and Sweden full of depressed people, eh? I know it's cold up there but hey, at least you guys have free healthcare, right?

It's in the process of being taken down but yeah, right now we have free health care. (You pay $150/year for doctors visits provided you actually go to see the doctor, one visit costs 15-30 bux). Also medication costs some money, you can pay maximum ~$300/year.

We are pretty much completely overrun by depression. The waiting lines are nothing short of absurd. Two years for neuropsychiatric evaluation. Up to as much as 7-8 months to get in a room with a therapist. Ofc, if you got some spunk in you, you'll get what you need faster but how many depressed people are like that? No, the system needs to help individuals despite their own inability and unwillingness to seek help and seek help in a proper fashion.

A few weeks ago I got a pack of antidepressants from a friend;
"-Hey man, you eat those, right? My girlfriend had them for a while but has switched over to a nice combo of six other completely useless medications so you can keep those. Also, do you need more sugar?"

It dawned on me how fucking absurd we view this stuff today in Sweden. Probably the same in many western countries.

haha I guess we're not all depressed, but the suicidal rate here is alarming... :/
I don't know why thought

I guess Being a comfortable country financially dosen't mean a Happy country.
I guess that money dosen't = hapiness...

As far as free health care, it's minimum 12 hours wait down here at emergency. It's just crazy, really not worth it unless your dying. I havent renew my medic card since 2007.!

thanks man,

Actually I think I did ok, we had a good talk for a few hours.
It may sound crazy, but I told him that if he would do it, I would respect his decision. I mean, I would be sad, but I would respect his choice. But at elast he knows I'll always be there for him.

I also shared how I got out of negative tought when I was going trought the same thing.

I mean, for now, seems like it worked ok, he seems better...

Actually, yes, he as an history... 1 time he jumped from a bridge and the other time cut his wrist in my firends bathtub.

What I hate is it's drug related..
When he takes drug, he's on top of the world nothing can stop him, and when he's sober, life ain't worth it to him...

But he locked his mind to the idea that life is enjoyable only on drugs. If he would open his mind to the idea that life may be fun to when sober, maybe he would have a chance but... easier said than done.. :/

If someone is set on killing themselves, there is nothing anyone can do. If someone is unsure on killing themselves, there is a plethora of things anyone can do to help.

As someone who's life has been affected by multiple suicides of family/friends... Don't try to cheer her up, it wont help. Just try to be there, and let her know that you're always there, but don't force you being there above everything. By you being there, and her knowing that someone is always there to support her might be enough to make her think twice.

I'm not sure about Europe, or Sweden specifically, but in the U.S. there is a toll free suicide hotline which anyone considering it should call. Sometimes people just need someone anonymous to confide all their misery in, and it makes them feel better.

"As someone who's life has been affected by multiple suicides of family/friends... Don't try to cheer her up, it wont help. Just try to be there, and let her know that you're always there, but don't force you being there above everything. By you being there, and her knowing that someone is always there to support her might be enough to make her think twice."

This is exactly how I have been approaching the situation. I just feel that it might not be enough right now seeing how this is an acute stage of her depression it seems. I never try to force help on someone. I know all too well how draining it can be when people try to impose shit on you in her state. It makes you even more nihilistic and unable to accept any help.


The bizarre kicker in this story is that almost exact the same thing happened to a friends friend exactly a week ago. Wednesday night. Scary that history repeats itself like that.

Tell her to find less depressing friends.

whats so damn depressing?

Its cold in Sweden.

Not really. It's 5ºC ATM. :)

"i have this friend and he/she..."

oldest trick in the book

www.reddit.com/r/suicidewatch

go there, this really isn't the best place.

You are right and I will take this matter elsewhere.

That is, upon inspection, a terrible piece of advice. The trolling over there is even worse. No, it has to be some of the closed nische communities with hardcore moderation. People just love to prey on the weak online.

Since I've never been suicidal (enough?) to warrant going there, I wouldn't know. It was just something I knew about because of reddit.

Try Google.

I'm not sure about your friend in particular, nor do I have a lot of experience with this kind of thing, so take my advice with a grain of salt. It is just a view I have...maybe I only think this way :p

Sometimes the thoughts of suicide are not the "level" that the person lives at day to day. Average daily routines keep us fixed at some level. From depression "kicking in", hearing a sad song, drinking too I suppose, etc, we drift into a lower level, or deeper level of depression/sadness where suicide seems like an option.

However, these thoughts do not disappear in our average lives. The conclusions or thoughts found in the deep state of depression are hiding underneath the surface. Hence maybe why your friend, even when not drunk etc, discusses the same things.

Yet, I think the chance of her doing anything to herself would only come out of the deep level. Here is where you (or someone else, but not her crazy bf :s) have to come in, to keep her alive until she exists from the deep level.

Long term though, if she has been cutting herself, and has a boyfriend with the same issues, then she is going to need real change in her life to have real change in her perspectives. I don't know if friends can do this, I don't know if professional help will be any help, but something external will have to start this change.

I don't know if any of that mumbo jumbo helps any, but dont leave her alone based on some respect for her decision, her mind may be intelligent but she isn't thinking straight. I think you mentioned in another post that you have had run ins with depression yourself, yet now are much better. I'm sure you can relate to how depression can change one's perception of events to be overly negative or lacking of hope. If these are the inputs, then even an intelligent mind can have a suicide as a logical output. The inputs are wrong, yet the logic is sound, but still the conclusion is invalid.

If you are looking for specific things to say, google may be of help, some decent resources online for this kind of stuff. Be there for her like rush says(giving space when needed etc)...its not something she can fight alone.

Good luck, I hope&pray all turns out well for your friend. Sorry for the long reply xd

Thanks to Xen for these kind and helpful words. My time as an active poster on esr is soon coming to an end. I'm greatful to all the people that have taken the time to share their true thoughts and feelings on here. A few of you I already consider good friends. Thanks again. Stay safe!

Get professional help. Severe depression is a mental illness.
http://www.suicide.org/hotlines/international...lines.html

You haven't had much contact with "professional help" now have you? People that know and care about you are the best healers by far when it comes to depression and such. Didn't you know, we have been fooled for all this time.

From the original post it sounds like friends and family aren't helping your friend and you should contact a hotline. ESR isn't the place for something like this.

Well I dont have much experience with depression. Nor is depression an easy thing to grasp for me, since I dont know the feeling of being depressed myself.

But I imagine that taking her out and doing some sports, thats not to physically hard, could be a good change of scenary and maybe even fun. Maybe try to go for a few rounds of badminton with her and make it a weekly thing?
Could end up being something she looks forward to.

Someone with severe depression would never be able to do that let alone derive any pleasure from it.

wrong

Sorry about my harsh tone. What I'm trying to say is that a severely depressed individual could never amass the strength to play badminton, let alone gain anything positive from it.

wont respond to either of those questions but not every severly depressed is unable to get outta their bed. you have a plenty of things you can do to help her and amokchen's idea could be one, but obviously not with your attitude :s

Getting out of bed? That's a straw man if I ever saw one. I replied to amOkchens suggestion. Trying to get a severly depressed person to engage in sports, that's an exercise in futility.

yeah right. starting to look like you're unable to take any advice so i recommend her a professional too.

however there are loads of things you could and should do aswell, as a friend. in case you're one

don't forget to show her as a man you're superior in any kind of sports

Make her read the "Zhu caught cheating" thread in here.


Edit: In case that doesnt do it, there is always the Sombra thread.

Haha, yeah that could actually be the closest thing to a cure yet :D The very thought of that imbecile makes my eyes tear with laughter. Sombra thread I am not familiar with. What is it?

http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&id=1627250

Ah, I know about the incident but haven't read the thread. Thanks!

sombra tops everyone. :D

and on topic: make her turn on webcam and do an hero, post on 4chan.

Not a problem. I will show her this thread and let her reply herself. She will surely appreciate your compassion.

You don't deserve to have to go through losing someone either, it's not selfish to want to stop someone from dying.

If you had facts on hand that made it so, beyond any doubt, that the person will always suffer as he or she does in his or hers current state, I believe it would be terribly selfish to want to protect yourself from grief. I just think it's healthy to entertain the idea. Not saying that I am absolutely right about this.

Don't you people realise lethal is just writing about himself???

he just needs to have that fantasy of actually having girlfriend
because he is sad and alone. Don't kill yourself lethal :(

I won't.

If its a trolling thread who cares, more oxygen for us =D
But if its real, you came absolutely the worst place you could come with it on the internet...

BTW not stopping a suicide attempt is actually a legal crime, and heres the hard evidence, so i guess after you posted you _must_ do everything to stop her =D

You obviously know nothing about the legal definition of actively stopping a suicide.

Edit: Every forum with a lot of frequenting users is a great place to bring this up because in the shit sea of infinite internet retardation, some of the brightest minds of our generation lurks, ready to share their wisdom. We just have to brace ourselves and not let selfish fucks with low self-esteem such as asyyy bring us down. And they don't. I laugh at the percieved indolence that he displays with regards to such serious matters. It is really the case of, yes, an expression, of how much he hates himself and his failsauce ridden life.

I hope his life becomes devoid of all form of love, companionship and comeradery. Maybe then he can finally realize the error of his ways and be a beacon of light for all the other people that are stuck deep within the abyss of complete mental stagnation and ignorance.

chill winston.

seriously, step away from the forum and get your friend some professional help

I am doing everything I can, doesn't mean it takes up all my waking hours. Gosh, I wish it did.

as long as people talk about suicide it is a cry for help, otherwise (i know this sounds harsh) they'd just get it over with. i've been where you are at more times than i want to admit, do whatever you want but don't get too involved, when they are still speaking about what concerns them things aren't that bad.

You know for a fact that this is the case with every living soul to ever share such views? I don't so i prefer to be cautious.

no, i don't. i wanted to give some sort of consideration, i think that came off different than intended. i would've said get professional help, but you wrote she's "in the system"?
this is probably the wrong place to post about such things, maybe consider consulting professional help aswell, depending on how close/involved you are.

"as long as people talk about suicide it is a cry for help, otherwise (i know this sounds harsh) they'd just get it over with"

Else it's a case of severe clinical depression when the chemical balance of the brain is so fucked up, that continuously talking and thinking about death is - in fact - one of the symptoms and not just some whine for attention. Even very intelligent patients - who can still understand that they do sound like whiners - can't help it.

It's a horrible misfortune that there is almost no way to tell the difference with observation only, and it's one of the most commonly misinterpreted symptoms of clinical depression, which might sound like an easy one, but it's pretty far from that.

It should be mentioned that severe depression is a diagnostic term and not just a subjective evaluation.

That's a common myth. While dumb people and emo chicks may use that as a device for attention whoredom, statistically most people who off themselves also tell about their intentions or condition to someone.

http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-03-04/1236151967552.jpg

make her get professional help obviously. If she indeed is suicidal she needs to talk to a psychologist.

also, psychologists need to talk to suicidal people. its a win/win situation

She has been in "the system" for her entire adult life and a big part of her youth too. Professional help implies that it helps so I don't know where to get it from.

sounds like she needs round the clock surveillance then.

give her life meaning

Get some money from her parents/friends and take her on trip back packing somewhere for a few weeks!

She'll see what's out there, one of those things might strike a chord, plus she'll have a load of good expereinces to reference.
If you don't have much, just go backpacking across wherever you live, have an adventure, no plans, just say we're going from here to there, dunno how we get there, hitch, train, bus, just do lots of convoluted things to fill her mind with something else.

Then maybe she'll see things different.

That is probably not going to happen with her boyfriend that suffers from some borderlineish problems and are very jealous and anxious about losing people. But I see what you're saying and I will think of something. Thanks for the sound advice dude!

Again, thanks for adding this. For all your weird post wars with vedic and whatnot, only an intelligent and compassionate person would post this. In my eyes you are better than the trolls no matter how many times they shoot you down.

Zhu/leth4l whatever the fuck u are, stop trolling ur annoying..

I wonder is she's given it enough thought from the practical standpoint. Commiting suicide is not as easy as people think, it's easy only in the movies. You can survive stuff like a gunshot, falling down from height, and especially poisonings have a relatively low rate of success.

If you get a chance to talk to her about it in future and if you want her to live on, ask her if she isn't afraid of surviving more than dying. Because she'd end up in a much worse situation after that, with her health severely damaged. It may be a good idea to ask anyway, if she really wants to die she should do it properly to avoid the real hell in case of failure. Maybe I sound like a jerk suggesting that.

Anyway, we all are social creatures, and if she can find any respite from bad life, it may be in having a friend. I don't know if you're willing to play that role, though, and neither I know what the situation is, but unless you can help her in a real way (like actually fixing her life), then being a friend is all you can do.

It's sad that whenever someone like you bring up a good criticism against her stance on taking her own life, I have already discussed the topic before.

We talked about it and she said she would throw herself out of a five story building, head first. She went on to talk about a movie where a character shoots himself in the head but only manages to sever the optical nerves, rendering him blind.

More on the same subject she described two of her friends that had tried before and failed. One were more or less a complete vegetable, the other limp and suffering from chronic pain.

There is a chilling sense of indifference, almost as if she is holding the actions of these people in high esteem.

This was one day before I found her on the bathroom floor. It seems she has always surrounded herself with these kinds of individuals and ideas.

She often tells me that she has a hard time feeling emotions.

One of the main problems, in my mind, is that she still lives the Corpsebride, Unter Null-esque romanticising of depression and suicide. In her case, I fear her deep intelligence just makes it harder to convince her that she is wrong and life is always worth fighting for.

Is life always worth fighting for?

Yes. Maybe not on an individual level but starting to pick and choose which life is worth fighting for, that sounds like bad news to me.

She's really given it some serious thought. A five-story building doesn't sound great to me, though. I think train rails are much safer, you can't survive if severed in two, provided you're severed where vital organs are, i.e. not just your legs get severed. Or if its a type of beheading. Even then, what if you get rolled a little when the train comes upon you, and it happens to sever you not where you originally planned? I never saw that happen, of course, so it's hard to say if it's possible or not.

Is she not afraid of pain, by the way? It's known that the brain lives on even after death for a few minutes, until the oxygen in it fully runs out. I imagine that it's what real hell is: not only you must feel excruciating pain, but you're still fully aware and 'alive' for a few minutes, knowing that you can do nothing to reverse what you've done. Doesn't it scare her? For me it's definitely more scary than anything else in life, because things in life tend to have respites in-between, no matter how bad, while this is something totally irreversible.

Well then, the only other thing I can say is to give a kind of advice that I've figured out for myself. No matter how you feel, give it a few hours, and you'll feel a bit different. That has always worked. You might feel so bad you realistically want to die just to get rid of those feelings, but in a few hours there's something different in your mood.

"She's really given it some serious thought. A five-story building doesn't sound great to me, though. I think train rails are much safer, you can't survive if severed in two, provided you're severed where vital organs are, i.e. not just your legs get severed. Or if its a type of beheading. Even then, what if you get rolled a little when the train comes upon you, and it happens to sever you not where you originally planned? I never saw that happen, of course, so it's hard to say if it's possible or not."

A train is by no means a safe bet. People have played around with this to absurd extremes but I've never seen anyone with a completely idiot proof plan. Well, maybe like cyanide but how the fuck would you acquire that? Remember the aspect of getting there in the first place when discussing the train option. The risk of someone noticing a person lurking about at the rails is rather high. If they do, you most likely will be too stressed out to go through with it and you won't get a new chance in a long time.


"Is she not afraid of pain, by the way? It's known that the brain lives on even after death for a few minutes, until the oxygen in it fully runs out. I imagine that it's what real hell is: not only you must feel excruciating pain, but you're still fully aware and 'alive' for a few minutes, knowing that you can do nothing to reverse what you've done. Doesn't it scare her? For me it's definitely more scary than anything else in life, because things in life tend to have respites in-between, no matter how bad, while this is something totally irreversible."

She loves to pierce herself and she is a pretty extreme cutter. She also helped out her boyfriend to cut deep in his torso so I would say no. She seems like a good candidate for a successful suicide, hence the thread. Educated, smart, fearless, indifferent to many aspects of life, no problem with pain etc.


"Well then, the only other thing I can say is to give a kind of advice that I've figured out for myself. No matter how you feel, give it a few hours, and you'll feel a bit different. That has always worked. You might feel so bad you realistically want to die just to get rid of those feelings, but in a few hours there's something different in your mood. "

This is just a quick fix. I'm sure she has gone through the motions a million and one times.

Thanks for your input dude.

"The risk of someone noticing a person lurking about at the rails is rather high."

I had a subway train in mind, you can quickly jump down right in front of it.

"This is just a quick fix. I'm sure she has gone through the motions a million and one times."

I really didn't want to mention that, but I had clinical depression in the past. The type when there's no real reason for new unnaturally strong emotions, but they appear out of nowhere and you can't stop them. What I said was the only thing that helped me bear it at its worst.

Her case sounds horrible, though, the whole of her attitude to life is about self-harm. I'm not familiar with this, but such an attitude must add a lot to an already bad life.

Then again, if you say she was cutting herself in the past and is a fan of such things, maybe it means that her intentions aren't as dead serious as you think. If you suffer you either kill yourself or you don't. Doing stuff in between signifies that one has no actual courage to die, imho.

That's damn egoistical, every time a suicider jumps in front of a train, a train driver gets traumatized. Did you not think about that?

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I like how this is probably true, this is probably zhu, and this is probably you sound very similar.

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=728717916

This is my facebook profile. I know, I know, you fuckers will claim I just sent a random profile. Give me a chance to prove I'm not zhu. It's like, melechesh is some form of ubertalented master troll lumping me together with that human waste of space. Help me set this straight!

Have her warn satan that cooller might descend down there one day to give him a massive asskicking.

You seem to know a lot about him. Is it true that Chuck Norris called cooller for tips on roundhouse kicks? I will pass your message on brother.

Haha, deleting his comments ;) what a hero ;)

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By cheating though, you have already trolled the community harder than anyone could ever do by merely posting on the boards. Suck on that fag.

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Why not? :( *Nom nom nom*

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On the case!

...some time passes...

Done! Where to next, master? My hunger for dirty gamer cocks is not even close to being satisfied!

Bailing out yet again even though the fun has just begun!

Here my good sir, instructional video for you:

http://tinyurl.com/7ahrao3

Is she dead yet?

No idea :/ Probably not though.

So lemme get this shit straight

First ure like 'omg no i don't wanna lose her' then a mere few days later u're like " no idea , prolly not".

Something is just off there. It seems obvious this is a troll and one of the most distastefull trolls i've ever come across.

you're right, something is off. lets make a hasty decision.

she offed herself?!

How is it a 'troll', he's hardly derailed a conversation or posted this with the intention of making people angry.

Maybe it's made up, fake but it doesn't seem like he's got any emotional responses out of anyone. If anything the most common posts have been "Troll!", "Zhu!" and "ESR is the worst place to post this!" the of which doesn't seem accurate at all.

We just have to accept that thought provocation is interpreted as just provocation by simpletons everywhere.

Wow, talk about jumping to conclusions. It was a simple answer to the question presented before me. I believe my emotions about this is pretty clear, no?

I also believe that when u post something like this about someone u'd be totally clued in as to what happened to him/her a few days later ... but maybe i'm just naive

No, she is alive.

Try to marry her :D just to cheer her up

but then we would have her comming here saying she has a husband that wants to commit suicide.

This would be his epic chance to troll some1 into her death!

Yeap, this is why I haven't proposed yet :D You guys are so quick to write me off as just another crazy fool in love and a dumb fuck. To what end? Discredit my arguments by attack me personally. This is exactly what people mean when they say to you that all your arguments are ad hominem. This should be in the "Handyguide to trolling the internet for lulz".

I am not in love with this person. It takes a lot of time for me to fall in love, I wouldn't let myself be that vulnerable again to someone I am not 100% sure is the real deal. Love is great but people go about it the wrong way all the freaking time.

I didn't even think that u were into this girl since u said she has a boyfriend but on the other hand, u show a lot of interest into her well-being.

see you in hell

I can't wait to see if hell is real and to meet the glorious Satan. Fucking love that guy!

need not be gender specific

Fucking great comedy! Thanks for sharing! (Yes, I am totally sincere). No topic should be too touchy to make fun about, it's all about the context.

FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS

haha so true dat.

Which are as real as the ones in the third world. Hell, when you guys make "first world" status, I believe you will be grateful because you can learn from our struggles and failures. But hey, if you want to be like that, I ain't stopping you. Keep being undereducated and poor then.

OMG MY MOM DIDNT BUY ME AND IPAD IM GONNA KILL MYSELF, OMG SHE HATED MY FACEBOOK POST T_T T_T

should turn to God.

God is totally irrelevant to me, I don't have any use for the bible or ideas stemming from that stuff.

it's a sad thing to say. i doubt you can help her then.

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hehe

Sorry about that, I was in a very emotional state and I had just had a furious debate with a fundamentalist christian >_>

lol don't worry. i wasn't offended in any way :D

While I agree that severe depression has the this effect of driving someone deeper, should they engage in sports that they can not cope with; sports do not have to be mentally straining nor physically straining; rather. In fact some things are mentally stimulating, and physically stimulating too.

If you haven't completely written off this suggestion by amokchen, try and be creative. Don't think sports in the pop-sense. Badminton, tennis, soccer, basketball and such are obviously not exactly the most forthcoming.

Try and be creative on that front. Think, perhaps, bow and arrow shooting, if there is such a place with a venue like this. I realize bringing her close to potentially sharp and dangerous weapons as such is, is not a good idea but assuming you have the physical and mental 'advantage' as you are much more clearheaded, this should not prove to be the biggest issue.

Why bow and arrow?
Even though I never liked bow and arrow shooting particularly, in fact I never even watched in any other context than movies and thought 'lol nice shot' in whatever scene, I have ALWAYS thought that watching an arrow that had been shot high into the air in the large grassy area on which I was standing or watching this, was the most freeing thing, like, ever. The hang-time of the arrow, the perfection that lies within giving the arrow such propulsion could, if interpreted in the sense I did, be used in the form of a metaphor of a kind. In my case I felt it as if I gave freedom to something sharp and deadly, and even though it IS sharp and deadly, all it did was pierce the earth, get picked up again, just waiting to get into the air again.

Now, I don't know whether a good method would be to 'give away' this sort of interpretation of the act of shooting arrows, but I know, for all it's worth, that it gave me what could be understood as a euphoric sensation. One might argue that this is only for a brief moment, and that the lack of permanent effect would counteract the whole idea of stimulating positively, but think of it this way: If you are willing to sacrifice some (even many?) hours a day with this person whom is near and dear to you, there could eventually be some upwards progress in her mental stability, if you kept it up regularly. Mixing it with other sports disciplines that require relatively minimal strength but encourages mental processes is a good idea.

Furthermore; having the willpower and the compassion for this friend of yours, to actually ask one of the most trolly places for advice, shows you got some dedication.

For what it's worth, I'll try and give a few words of advice that I learned in my own process of life, as I've had my share of encounters with depression and turned out reasonably well, and in most cases perfectly well.

Before I start I'll just point something out.
I have always and will probably always believed that ones body and mind is ones own entirely. Doing with it what you will is your quintessential right, and being robbed of this right will most likely push you in the direction you originally wanted to go, i.e. to kill yourself. The only difference being that you originally want to kill yourself either because you're depressed, bored, or you think you are too physically damaged to have any chance at a life, and the likes, and turning into wanting to kill yourself because of the above PLUS because people around you don't want you to. Not in an attempt to cause hell'ish situations for these said people, but because you are being denied your right to doing so.

HOWEVER - and this is where people might start thinking I endorse robbing other people of whatever is totally fine, but think of this as a guideline from a spiritual codex:

The process of robbing this right off of any human being is ALSO the right of every human being. Why, one may ask? Well, because you hold that person dear to you. Isn't it your right to fight for what you believe, what you love, and what you wish to stay in this world, for whatever reason you may have? Of course it is.

So, ultimately the process of doing all of this is a mixture of themes that are mostly taboo, and, the delicacy of manipulating, stimulating, even encouraging a fragile mind can be an exhausting task. But you are a reasonably intelligent guy so I believe you are up to the task with a little premeditation into the matter.


So, In the following text I'll probably repeat something you already said you had done or didn't do, but humor me, I'm throwing ideas off the top of my head - through experience of course:



Don't interview her. Don't ask her how she feels. Don't ask her why she wants to die. She'll most likely engage in either a very long or very short explanation that, on the surface, sounds like the reasoning of a healthy mind. The only thing keeping you from concluding that it is a healthy minds thought, is that wanting to kill one self is the ultimate sacrifice - The endgame - and I can perfectly understand why people at age 80 or whatever want to die because they're old, and, from that point things are probably going to go drastically uphill, and health likewise drastically deteriorate, if it hadn't already begun somewhat earlier.

But at the ripe age of 30 where as at least 15 years of which has been spent on being emotionally split, you need to ask her one SINGLE question to set things off.

The question, and a drumroll please: You are 30 years old. But how long have you lived?

The answer to this question is, at best, hard to come up with. She, in her state of mind, will probably say never, and depending on your knowledge of her life in its entirety, you're probably going to agree with her. Don't misunderstand me, but this is a good thing. In fact its even better if she said that she has lived in the first 15 years of her life, but suffered in the last 15. The reason is that it's a higher number of years she has to make up for, so nothing heinous behind this conclusion.

Now, what I have done in the situations where this question was asked, was, that I started to tell him or her - Yeah I've had experience with both sexes, lucky me, eh? - about the different experiences life has to offer. In reference to the quintessential right to choose what you want to do with your body and mind, I always reminded these individuals of the time they have on this planet, in this life. It's on borrowed time. Don't waste it or the precious time you've been given will have taught you NOTHING when you ultimately pass on. Don't be afraid to give them a sense of guilt in the fact that they have 'consciously' wasted X amount of years, avoiding living and learning, just, obviously, don't overdo it. They're already on the edge as it is.

In this day and age we have high definition video, we have good music, bad music, and Justin Bieber, and believe it or not, many of these types of media have a very positive effect on stimulating the mind and gaining access to some of the deeper parts of the human mind. Take my my male once-suicidal friend for example. He never was the artsy type. Nor did he really enjoy watching artsy stuff. Photos? Pfft, he only knew facebook photos of himself giving handsigns to the camera, or pictures of boobs on the internet - which arguably IS good therapy for even the most daunting emotional settings - But I sat down with the guy one night and on my big-screen TV put on some high definition timelapse videos of landscapes, the sky, plants growing and such. I put on a music video which started out in a spoken language that none of us really understood without reading the subtitles, but turned into and climaxed with imagery and music that everyone would understand.

The musicvideo is one of the more inspiring ones if you ask me, but I wouldn't let a female who had low selfesteem or otherwise problems with her body and the looks of it, watch it, unless I was certain that any type of repercussions could not be handled by myself or someone else with me. Reason is that it contains nudity and as we all know women are particularly vulnerable on that part.
(In case you want to see this video for yourself, and I HIGHLY recommend that you do, here it is: El Guincho - Bombay - As a user states: "10.000 ideas in 5 minutes, and it all fits so well". My thoughts exactly)

To conclude this: By no means will 'convincing' her that life is worth living, not suffering through or ending prematurely, be an easy task. But seeing as, as I pointed out, you are at the very least an intelligent guy, I believe you are up to the task, and I firmly believe you'll have her 'converted', if you will, by the end of the therapy that is friendship, hardship, love and loyalty.

And one more thing: She religious in any way? Not talking spiritual, as spirituality, although it is often seen connected with religion as we know it today, is not what I consider religious. Even if she is or not, throw a joke or two during these sessions. Try for example; How am I going to explain the angels, of which you really are in my eyes, why you're not here when I get there?.. Have a laugh at it, smile, whatever, just remind her in some ways that life, however important it is to live and not suffer through, has to have some sense of self irony involved, or nothing will ever easy to cope with.


Thats my 2 cents. Hope all goes well at this point!

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Zhu - I pity you because you will never experience real gratitude like we have just done, not until you wake the fuck up from that persistent vegetative state of yours.

Do us all a favor and get on the case of educating yourself and improving as a human. You will be better at Quake as an added bonus of your raised intellect and capacity to understand other peoples perspectives (opponents in the context of Quake). Wouldn't it be great to really get inside the head of, say, rapha, when you face off against him in a very close game on Heights. If this idea is interesting to you I can point you in the right direction of making it a possibility. As we stand right now, he is just so much smarter than you are in general that he will just figure you out in the first thirty seconds of play and rape will soon follow.

This is a friendly advice from a fellow gamer and swede. I would be very happy to see you improve yourself. I harbor no ill feelings towards you or anyone on this board for that matter. Why would I? I only know your online personas.

This is, however, my last peaceful offering. If you reject it and keep trolling me, I will give up on your case and deem you a foe of the forums for life. Apologize to me publically and we have an agreement, show some humility.

Peace

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The best part is that I will beat you soon enough, there is just nothing you can do about it. I'm smarter, has more experience and got the will do develop my play. You will succumb to my superiority in due time. It will be a sad day in zhu land because this is what keeps you going, the fact that you can beat me. But what have you got the day I beat you?

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i think its rather funny how you continuesly attack peoples intelligence, mostly of those who disagree with you

Like this guy for instance posting 'nice book'. I'm sure he would say the same thing if he saw a Shakespeare or a Hitchens laying around. 'Nice book' - which implies that he couldn't be arsed to even open the book in the first place because that wouldn't be cool. I will call people on such idiocy for as long as I live.

im gonna join u in your war against stupidity: to take on the mission of clearing the world of stupidity is a pointless cause.

im uncertain to if u have realised this. if you havent, then youre simply a fool. most people have realised this and im sure its time for you soon.

or are just a bully?

We are speaking on completely different levels. I'm not saying anything about which level is higher or better w/e, I just don't feel like we get anywhere here. If you want to discuss stuff in priv, sure, but not in the open.

peace

i dont wish to do that. i have no interest in getting to know you better. you seem abusive and self-rightous on almost a narcissistic level.

And you seem rude to anyone with the balls to do things differently. Hell O, Status Quo.

dont fool yourself, youre no different than anybody else to me

Then why do you treat me differently than most users on here? You do realize that your comment sounds extremely "narcissistic" in and of itself? The very thing which you blamed me for. You aren't exactly the person to make those kinds of comments. Never a trace of humility in your posts. "Narcissism" is just a bullshit word to write down anyone not fitting into your narrow mold.

[insert random generic troll conclusion here]

i change depending on the situation, not the person im talking to. if u wanna judge me by my usual 1 sentence joke posts, go ahead, just know: thats not the truth.

i have never called you a narcissist. for the sake of your integrity, dont draw conclusions that arent true.

You implied it, it's not much of a difference. It's possibly even worse because such comments seem to me designed to grow self doubt in the subject of the post. And I don't even think you do this on purpose or even realize it. But to me it's very negative behavior. Please feel free to dispute this if you think it's a missconception on my part.

You're right, I don't know anything about you beyond your esr persona.

youre only making it out to be something its not. nothing in particular implied with my comment, its all in your head. my phrasing was simply a messurement.

unless youre going to deny you are infact self-righteous, after deeming more than a handful in this thread alone to be "stupid" and claiming your word is of higher importance.

***1/2

I can't begin to describe how highly I appreciate that you take the time to share your thoughts, feelings, ideas and experiences with us. I don't feel up to the task of replying to it at this time because it would be shameful to not greet such a magnificent post with your own very best.

Ask her to find a psychiatrist, so that he can give her medication.

She is on all kinds of pills. She probably need less meds, not more. But thanks for assuming that she has been sick for like a week or so. She has been this way for almost 20 years. (I haven't known her that long though).

If she has been like this for 20 years despite taking all kind of medications, I seriously suggest to her family to dump all the clueless doctors and start searching for a really good one before it's too late. Doctors are like any other profession; there are lots of bad ones and a few - hard to find - very good ones.

I think it's kind of a vicious cycle with mental illness and how patient view the whole situation. If a doctor is treating you for cancer, you trust that he knows what he's doing but it's far more complex with mental illness.

Since depression almost always entails a feeling of detachment from everything, it's very easy to build up a distrust towards the institutions that are trying to help you. Clinical depression really is a state of ignorance that you can't think your way through and that is a recipe for disaster really. In short: Depression can make a person dumb. Very dumb. Also, when you feel like you want to die, someone trying to help you is not getting you and is going against your will. And you only have this one will and it's not accepted by the enviroment.

I'm in a bit of a rush right now but I will reflect on these ideas some more and try to make something more coherrent out of it. Just posted this now as a rough dragt, food for thought.

I was talking about that the medication is not helping her, (or perhaps helping her to stay alive but not enough to have a life).
20 years of suffering is almost death and doing it with a drugged brain is perhaps even worse.
She is not in a mental institute but still taking all kind of pills for so many years, so I assumed that her doctor(s) can't achieve greater "success", or simply don't really care anymore and gave up on her condition, which is the worst. (I hate quitters:/)

I'm not saying that I'm smarter then her doctor(s) (I'm obviously not), but they did not cure her for 20 years, did they?

I don't disagree with any of your posts but we are very far from having a complete medical history on the person in question. In fact, I know very little about her history in that sense.

Something new and drastic has to be tried because 20 years is a far too long stretch of madness for a young and otherwise mostly healthy person.

Sadly, it looks like I won't get the chance to help her. I will not go into that because it's not a matter I would care to share on here. I will also add to this that I gave her the linky to this thread so now she can read it all if she so desires.

"Sadly, it looks like I won't get the chance to help her....."

Yea. that's what happens most of the times, "friends" just disappear before their life also gets "ruined", and probably noone will help her at the end.... but I hope it turns out well somehow.

No, she will not have it, see? Like I said, I can't really go into detail but there are other circumstances to consider, other people in the equation to consider.

I'm sorry then:( I was wrong because friendship has a totally different meaning for me than what it means to you, and I did not take that into consideration.. please accept my apology.

Your apology is not needed but I accept it and don't have any gripe with you :)

even if she is really ugly, you could do it, without condom, and let the sacred fluids invade her body ;)

ask him who gets his nintendo

btw I'll just assume that you're trolling here....
But I didn't know you were friends with Jamerio... and I had no idea Jamerio was a woman.

He is in fact a post-op.

tbh you don't respond as if the above story has any truth in it...

If you want to expose a potential troll, do it gracefully. A troll never says if he's trolling unless the joke has already been revealed quite clearly. Learn internets, boy.

Furthermore, while I agree ESR, or any gaming forum for that matter, is not exactly the scene on which you would get best results in regards to constructive and serious replies, there are some people on the site that have an intelligence quota above the average, that have the capacity to see through possible trolling attempts and just roll with it.
In my case I wrote my post *cough* book *cough* wholeheartedly and honestly couldn't give any less of a fuck if it was a troll or not. It meant something for me to reply as I have had some experiences with the situation myself, and I believe, for what it's worth, that someone might drag some of what I wrote into their own life should they happen to be in the same situation one day.

Oh and, trolls may be merciless, but no troll seriously sits down to write stuff like that in an attempt to fool everyone. It's too much effort, and the 'joke' would have reached so far into the subject that said joke would be on the troll, and no troll will have that either.

well your responce (book) is admirable (dunno if it's spelled that way).

But I don't trust this leth4l fellow on this... I would've liked to have a reply like yours if I had to go through all of what the post is about.

The things that bother me is that he keeps on adding more and more details about friends / drug abuse / etc etc. in the replies afterwards... that, to me, yells troll.

Why are you so obsessed with exposing trolls? Why not assume that it's not until proven otherwise, especially when it's such a heavy subject. I would be fucking mental to make all this shit up. What is my end game? If you suspect that I am a troll, tell me what my motivations are because I don't understand it. I think, sadly, this community has had too many "serious trolls" over the years so old timers such as yourself will automatically use their sophisticated troll detection equipment on every unfamilar moniker. Well, sir, you need to recalibrate that sinisterintentometer because it keeps coming up with bad results.

And besides, sothis said before that the very idea of me being a troll is unrealistic at best. You seem to respect his opinion, why don't you ask him to restate his take on my supposed trolling?


Edit: Remember that I was overcome with anxiety when I wrote this. I tried to keep my composure in what is, without a doubt, the most psychologically straining experience of my life. I added on stuff that I learned after the original post. So excuse the bad organization. This is not a book though and if you care enough to try and help me in any sense, why the fuck would you moan about such details?

why are you obsessed about me (possibly) being wrong?

And I don't know what sick and twisted motives people have... many people are crying out for attention some of them even try to kill themselves, I never saw any logic in that either.
And if you're telling the truth then that is possibly the biggest reason for your female friend to consider suicide.

If you want some links to info check out http://blog.ted.com/2011/06/11/resources-for-...-families/

Besides I don't see where I attacked you... I said at the start that "I'll assume you to be a troll". My posts are typed using that premise. If it's a wrong premise then don't feel attacked man. Just because I don't see this story being real doesn't mean you should value my opinion on it.

I'm glad you think so!

But I implore you to take a good look at the way he wrote this, and how he has responded to other posts that were at least as serious as my post.

I'm not asking you to become a psychologist in 5 minutes, but judging from all that he has written so far, it seems clear that there has been certain stages the guy has had to go through before getting so clearheaded that he could actually start rationalizing at a more realistic extent.

I'm sure you would too, had it been you in his shoes.

Think of what I said about ESR not being the best place for this type of topic, given the intensity of smartasses that generally inhabit such forums. Just think about it until for a moment.

Why would the guy post on such an inappropriate place? The guy is desperate to get some aid. We've all seen it I'm sure. People writing on, what, car-forums, saying that they are depressed like hell, or they have friends that are, and they need help. And thats just ONE other example.

Please try and believe me when I say this is not an attempt to troll, nor is Leth4L in any way careless of what happens to her. The fact that he brings new details is just like any other person that has gone through a type of trauma.

At first you start out in shock, thinking 'hey, I feel fine but I know I'm probably not, but I don't feel it quite enough just yet', and 2 hours, even up to 2 days later or more, the guy falls to his knees realizing how bad this shit really is. Then starts the coping mechanisms, where rationalization starts revealing its face. First he himself must cope, then starts the process of trying to help himself/the person in a bad shape. He's still fuzzy because the process of getting help for himself or that person has to be speedy as shit can turn REALLY bad in an instant. Then the responses arrive, asking about shit, blaming him for trolling and other shit, then HE must respond as well, suddenly opening up for new details.

Especially the last part is not so hard to figure out if you just try and put your mind into what a person can go through in this regard.

So again: Believe me when I say that this is not a troll attempt.

> "I'll assume you are trolling"

< "I'm not you insensitive a-hole"

> "well then stop reading after the assumption"

there are too many people who troll and troll and troll without boundries man...
To me reading a story like this on esr makes my troll-o-meter spike. If he's not trolling then I feel sorry for him that he has to go through that, but even if it's true I can't imagine why he would put it on esr.

Try to broaden your horizons. Why not post it on esr? Tell me, what are the cons exactly? Sure, I have to wade through tons and tons and tons of garbage from users such as yourself and the majority of people posting on here. But then, you come across a compassionate and intelligent person such as sothis or madbringer. And it's worth it a million times over. Remember, I don't get sad or angry when someone calls me a troll, a fag or human fucking garbage. It doesn't become me because I know in my heart I have come further along in my development than those people. I used to do that too once upon a time not too long ago.

Instead of thinking like "I can't post this on esr" Why not? Why the fuck not? The world is so full of bullshit. Let's all just think outside the box for a minute, challenge factoids and conventions. Because those things, even though they can be understood and explained logically, serves increasingly less purpose the further along in our social evolution we come.

Try to broaden your horizons. Why not post it on esr? Tell me, what are the cons exactly? Sure, I have to wade through tons and tons and tons of garbage from users .....||
That sounds rhetorical.

There are other sites where people would expect you to actually be honest and fair... esr is not one of those places.
I once said something personal ingame..... result: people on tournaments would confront me with my real life situation either in game or just before a match.... just so that they could take a map from me.
Conclusion: Don't do it!

And in all fairness I didn't give you any hard time at all except that I can't be persuaded to believe the factuality of this story. Which imo is a lot worse than most other users are putting you through.

And tbh I'm not that well phrased with english / usa expressions so I actually googled 'post-op'.
Conclusion: Don't do it!

I'm just going to add real quick that it's fucking hilarious that you assume to know how every individual will react in a somewhat specific scenario. What blatant ignorance. Would it be helpful to you if I implicated the frequent use of emoticons in my posts? I have a strong feeling the typical chat partner of yours does that.

OMG DUDE :( IM SO SAD DIZ GURR WANT TO OFF HERSELF, WHAT TO DO BRAH?? I WANNA BONE HER SO BAD OMG LOL. ;(


It's fucking sad that you haven't changed one bit in the 8+ years it's been since I added you to my esr ignore list. You were the only user on my list when I recently returned and I thought that after that long time, I should give anyone the benefit of the doubt. But you haven't evolved one bit. That is fucking sad bro.

lol?

I don't remember you from 8 years back dude... And I doubt that I would be on anyones ignore list from back then.

This joke is an insult and a disrespect for those who knew someone who committed suicide.

Wrong, wrong aaaaaand, thats right, wrong.

You have too many free time, and need to find a goal in your life imo.

lol i like how sothis spent hours writing a reply and everyone just ignored him ROFL

What's there to like about it? And besides, how do you know everyone ignored him? Have you talked to every user that have read or at least glimpsed at his post?

Typically, when a user makes a well thought out post like sothis did, responses to it won't come in the form of an onslaught of one liners. I am going to reply to it but it will take some time, it's a task in itself. Posting trollish sound bites is not. He jogs his mind where a troll would only jog his ego. Furthermore, high quality posts are to many users intimidating. They acknowledge the fact that the poster can fend for himself in the intellectual arena and since a lot of less informed users tend to argue for the sake of argument. Either that or feeling like they haven't got anything useful to add. Anyone can add something to a more trivial subject without running the risk of losing face. If you challenge a person like sothis, one of intellect, you run the risk of getting roflstomped completely.

Too bad; you're probably not even going to read this, mr. anonymous. But anyway, Leth4L wrote this to get some aid in his troubles.
I put up my reply with suggestions, additions, philosophy and all that - to him. Not to anyone else. The reason it didn't go into his private message inbox is because it might just help someone else think twice later on if they experienced anything in the same category, and that is where my satisfaction lies.

Couldn't care less if anyone else read, replied or did not read or reply to it, as long as Leth4L did.

In fact I didn't expect anything BUT Leth4L reading it :>

I put up my reply with suggestions, additions, philosophy and all that - to him. Not to anyone else. The reason it didn't go into his private message inbox is because it might just help someone else think twice later on if they experienced anything in the same category, and that is where my satisfaction lies.

I didn't read your wall of text, but who u think u r? really

"Think" I am? Sir, I KNOW who I am. However your question is as vague as the reason why you quoted only that part of the post. Why, my good man? Why?

Oh poor you, someone is expressing his opinions :((((((

I see you stand up for ur allies

it would be better to have u on my side than arguing with u ;)

I'm just counter-trolling whenever i get the chance to :) That's why people think I am a douchebag but if I can get them to feel bad about my comments, maybe their empathy has a fighting chance at growing.

cheers

give her the link to your ESR account

I would try getting her to eat a good diet and coffee coffee coffee. coffee seems to make people ok with doing boring stuff which is life for a suicidal person. But malnutrition causes major psychological problems that can lower a persons pain tolerance for emotional stuff. I'm not going to act like a know it all, but rarely do people have a complete diet full of the right minerals the body needs to operate. And people with soft water also dont get enough magnesium and calcium and that can cause the brain to think funny things, also cut back on the alchol asap. Keep watch suiciddal thoughts are no so bad when people are around positive people. Hope I could help a lot of people about the things to say but when the brain is not functioning correctly due to improper nutrition its does not matter what you say. Also ive been taking herbal stuff like lemon balm, Gotu Kola and ginseng and they have been making me feel hella good and they are cheap. You are what you eat and proper food is very underground. Most of the psychological problems are caused by malnutriton in my opinion. Also Read Super Consciousness by Colin Wilson. Its explains why there was such a high suicide rate with the romantics back in the day its a short book, reading it right now and its making a lot of sense. Sorry for any typos but im typing from the heart and have no time from grammer police. Keep us posted.

also there are these things called odwalla super food that are found in the produce section of super markets like stop n shop. And they are great tasting smoothies that come in small 12 ounce bottles and taste great. I use them to get all my rare nutrients that you dont get from processed foods. I would buy these for her and even drink some yourself. I drink a gallon of this stuff a week they have spirulina which in theory is an algea that we can survive solely on. it has all the basic elements of nutriton like ammino acids. she needs to stack on this stuff. And im assuming this so people do have mental problems that require intensive care but it seems like she still has time.

Dehydration as well can be part of the problem. Most people are severly dehydrated and the body can not function without water. If the pee is yellow she is dehydrated. Sorry forsaying a lot but I truly worry because i have been there mentaly and have watched my mom try to commit suicide in front of me as a 6 year old by eating rat poison and that sucked. Mental malfunctions can usually be traced to physiological occurrences.

I [+]'ed you for these as this is some of the things that I mistakenly did not add into my own post. Nutrition is a very important part of mental health as well, and hydrating is even more important, for obvious reasons. Good call man.

I replied to V1CKTOR in private :) He added some interesting things but I believe the thread might be separated even further and get all messy so I decided to write to him an imsg instead.

u all being trolled like little bitches

By you.

OK!

What a mix of retards and trolls in this thread. If someone really has serious mental problems like a severe depression he should get professional help and not rely on common-sense "knowledge" or advices from strangers on the internet.

Go away. Just leave my thread, please. I really would prefer that you stop posting here. Please.

It's a public forum and even though I think that your are a troll/clown you still can do harm if someone who is really looking for help stumbles across this thread.

Ahh, there we have it. You are a typical conservative dimwit that has a morbid fear of free speech. I'm sorry bro, I will keep making internet a danger to your children. Thanks for clarifying this.

a morbid fear of free speech

I really would prefer that you stop posting here.

...

By all means, express all the fuck you want in another thread. You don't even understand how free speech works? Wow.

I almost feel embarrassed seeing how you own yourself here.

Plus his post if you can't stop laughing at his utter stupidity.

By your measure, esr is not a place of free speech since mods removed all daniels' threads.

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The funny thing about this is while I have almost unlimited resources when I need to e.g. help a friend, you only have a very few, the ones society taught you about. Posting here has been a big help because I got to discuss the issue with some very reasonable people. It's much easier in some sense to discuss these things over the net with people you have no real life relation to. Seems logical, no?

omg man you got your reply from zhu....

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I challenged you last night, in private, to put your money where your mouth is but you just ignored me :) You know somewhere deep down that I pose a threat to you in the quake arena. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow but it scares you that I seem so sure about this whereas you don't even if you try to come across as you do. I have given you a final chance to humble yourself and let me take you under my wing. Is your final answer going to be no?

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I play unranked servers, rating means nothing.

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Soon you'll be worse though. Sorry.

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damn man a full month for 45 euro?
You cary cheap to a whole new level.... can I have my coach do some householding chores as well if I hire you?

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that doesn't bother me much....

Your argument is flawed, and you have obviously only recently cleared the puberty-level of your life. Once you gain experience in life, I suggest you re-evaluate this comment of yours. For example by reading the following:

Why would he NOT bring this to ESR? Referring to a previous post in this thread, a man desperate enough to get help will go to even the darkest of places to try and catch some golden advice. Now, I doubt you ever tried being in a horrible situation where trauma, be it only mental or both mental and physical, has been a result, and that is why you can not relate to this. I respect that fully, because honestly, it's a pattern I see in most people who haven't.

Everyone however has seen a video, a picture, or listened to a story either by a friend or in the news, where, say, the context is of a person that was brutally and without apparent reason beaten to a pulp and left severely braindamaged. Most, if not all of us, have said at one point "Hey, had that been me I would not have hesitated one second in ripping that other guys jugular out before he even managed to get a hold of me!" or, in a car accident story: "Why the hell did he not brake earlier instead of running the risk of locking the wheels and going into a spin? Now he's damaged for life and so is his passenger".

Recognize it? I hope you do, for the sake of humanity.
We all know what we WOULD have done, AFTER something has happened, or when we hear about it. But none of us could or would even do any of what we, in some cases, brag about, or firmly believe. Thats because trauma has a way of fucking your brain up in ways you couldn't possibly imagine unless you've been through it.

See, thats the first part. The second part is where your argument fails even further. He is attention seeking. YES! He IS attention seeking! What other purpose does this thread pose?

Would you rather he wrote "O hai evry1! my gurrfrend is want 2 kill hurzelf. 'tis fucked up yo! I gotta do laundry, baibai" under the guise that he secretly wants advice, or that he put it out straight on the table saying he wants help, aid, thoughts, advice, whatever?

Try and think a little before you spew that incredible idiocy around. You can't think further than your own ridiculous first and last names before you start "reasoning" away in what looks more like grade school bullying. "Hay guys! look at this chump lol he's a fag and I'm not lol".

Go home, Alfons Åberg.. I mean Mr."And I really had few friends in the community, cause I enjoyed trolling alot, and I still do." *cough* I mean Pontus Ridiculus *cough* I mean Pontus Åberg.

Douche.

(EDIT: Not hard to rape 'this guy' either.)

Listen to this man, he knows what he is talking about. You don't have to admit openly to agree with him or even that you considered his sound advice but for the love of all things holy, read and try to absorb what he is saying.

Edit: Lovely edit :)))

hint: he has no clue

Socrates supposedly said:

"-I know you won't believe me, but the highest form of Human Excellence is to question oneself and others."

I do it all the time, but I am allergic to bullshit also

Grab some bullshit antihistamines then. They're called cyanides.

what did I read...

You read something on an internet gaming forum. The forum formerly known as XSReality, now known as ESReality.

Anything else? ;>

no, thank u. Now it's all clear :p

Great! Now you sit down and reply to my response above, where you ask who I think I am. I'd love an explanation :-)

What's up Leth4l?

Deletion requested by user.

And there we have it, ignore list expanded by one giant turd :)

No offence but i think you're in the ignore list of most of the ESR users. You just enter mine, you're the first. Congratz !

None taken! :)

from the little that I read, she is unhappy with her boyfriend and therefore she should fix that. It is not that complicated. There are probably no more than 5 main reasons that make someone suicidal. There isn't much variety and all of them are flawed and creations of our minds.

Since she has a boyfriend, there is no need to search for other reasons. She feels empty with him, otherwise she wouldn’t think to suicide.

Anyway, you should have told us the reasons behind her thoughts. It’s much easier if u know them, instead of generalizing.

has she tried militia?

I guess not
Else she would have been commiting suicide already =(

Someone has to ask the important question..

Is she hot? If so pix plz.

Don't you also want boobs?

Oh yea, boobs plz.

shame on you!
let's hope you are not necrophilia addict

5 day rule, duh.

Make her listen to this tune...
Instant happiness.



But make sure she does not listen to this one or do custom embed with "&rel=0" to be safe.

They really butchered it with the modern one.

Tell her to cut her flesh and worship satan. Seems like your thing.

What makes you say that? Sounds like figured out I'm an Antaeus fan.

Still waiting on those pictures. If she's hot I'll save her.

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000024852905

can you upload her nude picture on youtube? I blocked the access to facebook, and I am not gonna change this setting only to see some ugly fat grill

fat ugly grills turn me on

She is tip top. I'm just not sure about the colour.

Black grills cook the best, white grills cant cook.

Read her name veeeeery carefully and let it dawn on you that you've been had. Just do it.

Is her real name Miss Arachnophobia?

Since you shared your facebook profile...

Yeah, I have nothing to hide. But I'm not going to discuss my musical tastes here.

Play her some of your music then, I'm sure she will feel better.

I can't. I can't really see her, as I said before. This thread has pretty much played out it's role by now. So....

Well, good luck then, I hope it turns the way you want it.

Thanks man! May your life be long and prosperous!

and btw, to respond to you to the question, what should you say: show her that you a tough son of a bitch, like in the movies. say to her: SEE YOU IN HELL!

If anyone thought I'd actually would post her real facebook account on here (If she even has one), read the name. Mal[IN CEST]-Johansson.

duh?

what to say to her? The name of this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEogJacjLTE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcFE7HEgX3g

she is a cheater... did syncerror ban her?

I so do not care to read posts from you mr "Lost world is a shit map because lijtal managed to take like 12 frags of off me on it".

Bye.

so.. she got caught cheating? fucking cheaters, 2 bad she didnt hang her self with a cable

You are aware that a Swedish kid did just that live online not too long ago? Just keep jerking yourself off, np.

if (care factor > 0)
{
start GIVE A DAMN.EXE
}

System ERROR - DAMN NOT GIVEN

Incorporating your basic level coding skills doesn't make you look cool.

Edit: And besides, I only wanted to know if you referenced said event or not. If you don't give a damn I'm satisfied because it implies your further involvement in my radius of business is vastly reduced. Good.

...there was a pink elephant in the room.

Offer her your dick services if she's remotely attractive. If she isn't i guess you'll have to shoot her or something. I mean wtf cutting yourself for 30 years, who does that.
You are either trolling or she is trolling. That's some dedication 30 years of trying to NOT-CUT anything IMPORTANT on your damn body. Who cares if she does it for 30 years she can do it for next 70.

F.. off trolls and i hope you are cutting yourself reading this. Bye loser.

hahaha u do understand that cutting herself is a substitute for something else RIGHT?

Either he does and posted this trite anyway. Or he doesn't. In any case, the future looks anything but bright for our new slavonic friend. Pat him on the head and give him a nickel!

For 30 years? Give me a break man, PLEASE. This is trolling at highest level.

@Leth4l - Slavonic? Back to school m8, cheers.

the reason its been ongoing for 30 years is because of it

fucking think

That guy is so pathetic. She is around that age, not like she was born depressed. But reading comprehension never were this kids' strong suit. He never really had any suits at all in fact. Poor sob.

I am pathetic? Are you fkn kidding me? Just look at your responses. Just look at your posts towards others who disagreed/did not believe you? If you friend idd has a problem, posting it on GAMING forum for hundreds to read and laugh about? SRSLY DUDE? RLY? OPEN YOUR EYES YOU ARE THE PATHETIC ONE. Seek professional help then, it's how they earn a living, do not on the other hand seek help from guys you INSULT in basically EVERY POST you make in this pathetic thread of yours.
No wonder she cuts herself having you as a friend. Now take this to another forum so you can come back feeling even superior. You have been boleslaved. Bye.

<3

Highest level you say? Thats great because if I were infact trolling for lulz, I would immortalize this post, put it on my wall next to my collection of severed reproductive organs and fap to it feverishly on a minutely basis. Death by boleslav post. To be boleslaved.

jamerio can finally retire from esr.

vedic too

This site...

is...

...fun for a while but tiresome in the long run....

ADD is a bitch.

All is well and I feel no need for this thread anymore. As far as I am concerned, mods are free to close it down now or whatever the typical practice for dying threads is. Cheers to all for contributing.

dying threads for the dying.. how ironic.

Well, it's kind of the other way around but I appreciate the irony :)

It's clear to me now just how emotional I was in this thread and how little I cared about keeping my cool. I really thought a life were at stake. A life dear to me. Apologies to the people I insulted, quite a few of them didn't deserve that much vitriol, I see that now. There are exceptions *cough cough*.


I'm going to wrap this thread up with a few short lines and after that, mods are, as far as I am concerned, welcome to close the thread as it doesn't really serve any purpose anymore as an ongoing discussion.

The "subject" of this thread seems to be shugging along rather nicely. Unfortunately I don't have any real contact with the person in question any longer but that doesn't really matter, you always run that risk when you involve yourself with people. Always keep that in mind. What matters is that I managed to deal with the situation for my own accord and learned a thing or two, thanks in no small part to the contributions of sothis, which is a fantastic poster in my humble opinion.

This concludes my participation on the esr board for now. My goal to rise as a obnoxiously tough duel opponent remains but other stuff craves my attention and with my PC being in a luckluster shape, I can't really do anything about it as of right now.

Binary beers for everyone, on me! Peace!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z29W1IYNus

This quote of Sylvester Stallone is 100% correct. I advice you to take a look at this. Lykke til.

"The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and nasty place, and I don't care how tough you are, it will beat you to your knees and keep you there if you let it"

There are two things that i would recommend to depressed people:

For the body, Vitamin D (its a natural anti depressant, if theres not much sun where she lives, should use a tanning bed or whatever its called, most people is deficient in this vital master hormone)

For the mind and soul, reading Jiddu Krishnamurti, i would start with "The first and last freedom".

I second gSTRUCTORS thoughts.

Mostly these things are because of an underlying amount consuming someone mentally.. So release the amount consuming her, and you will: A. Save her, and B. Feel good that you did your best.(ultimately you do not want to feel consumed by a bad result.

It is a very selfish thing to even tbhink about suicide. Ruining the other peoples lives for ever. What a sh1_t thing to even consider.

Anyway.

My suggestions for what they are worth.

Monitor closely, and definitely for her to go see a doctor just to talk it though as it might be too personal to share with you.
"A problem shared is a problem halved"

But best part is to unravel the knots in her head.

Solutions in doing this:
1. write a list
2. help her work through the list.

I realize it's been ages since this thread was active but I haven't been around to reply for the longest time. I thank you for what seems to be sound advice.

A quick remark though, have you ever felt suicidal? It really isn't something that you choose. I agree to some extent with Sartres' ideas about personal responsibility but then again, I don't feel I could have done much differently, dark moods just come over me. I'm in the process of being diagnosed with bipolarity or some such bs. We are not rational beings at the core, we are emotionally driven. But yeah, one should do whatever possible to avoid suicide, it's a shit solution no matter what.

peace

Edit: Now it sounded like I've been talking about myself all the time. That's not the case but w/e. The person in question is still alive and kicking but I don't have any contact with her anymore really.

Shit this still going on? Well the timing is perfect then........
http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=suicide_blame

come with me if you want to live: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJKye7J3-54&am...age#t=101s