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<< Comment #1 @ 20:12 CST, 3 March 2012 >>

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EmSixTeen

Might actually be something I'll watch, rather than the usual boring shite.

<< Comment #2 @ 22:13 CST, 3 March 2012 >>

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vedic

DOTA2/SC are great, but isn't BLC as dead as Quake?

<< Comment #4 @ 01:24 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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Steve_Jobs - Reply to #2

Dead still can be great.

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<< Comment #14 @ 06:52 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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koOma - Reply to #4

#1 troll, wp

<< Comment #9 @ 03:11 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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obi - Reply to #2

can u just stop dissing quake plz

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<< Comment #21 @ 07:47 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #9

I was insulting BLC - QL just happens to be a good comparison. The truth hurts, it seems.

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<< Comment #36 @ 22:32 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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w0nk0 - Reply to #21

i dont think anyone here cares about the quake is dead statement anymore. not that i think ur unaware of this.

its good to see people support things they like as opposed to jumping on the success bandwagon.

<< Comment #37 @ 22:58 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #36

The life of your game depends on the success of your game. Without success, you won't have anything to support.

<< Comment #38 @ 23:47 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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w0nk0 - Reply to #37

flawed logic. plenty of people support things that arent mainstream. it all depends on how many other people u need who love the same thing as u do. for some people 20 is enough. for others even 2 million isnt.

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<< Comment #39 @ 23:58 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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wch - Reply to #38

Hipster

<< Comment #41 @ 01:04 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #39

hehe, rational = hipster, pretty funny!

<< Comment #46 @ 03:25 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #38

If 20 people was enough, people would have went back to Q3. The lack of success will mean the end of QL, and you'll have no say in the matter.

<< Comment #47 @ 04:29 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #46

it seems it is enough for the 20 that remained

u just proved his point

<< Comment #48 @ 05:05 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #47

They have a choice to remain with Q3. They do not have a choice with QL.

<< Comment #49 @ 05:47 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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Something - Reply to #48

I wouldn't be surprised if QL still kept going without id's involvement :)

Imagine a server browser integrated into qlranks.com, and a few servers across europe ('ghost' servers atm) and you still have a ql community :-)

<< Comment #52 @ 07:00 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #49

No.

<< Comment #55 @ 07:29 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #52

Yes, and actually, current "underground" QL community who play mostly on illegal servers (because of ping) is quite large (bigger than Q3) and they aren't going to Q3 at all.

<< Comment #58 @ 07:51 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #55

Proof that it's bigger than Q3?

<< Comment #62 @ 08:36 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #58

I don't care to prove it, it is irrelevant beacuse we're talking about different thing: some people have choice and still are not going back to Q3, they stay in QL and keep playing.

<< Comment #66 @ 10:54 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #62

So you really mean that you're just making shit up.

<< Comment #72 @ 13:03 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #66

No, I just tell you that your assumptions are not correct, but I am not going to waste time to convince you to change your opinion, if you want proof, search for it yourself.

<< Comment #76 @ 13:39 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #58

Open up MaxBrowser for proof.

Q3 duels past week = 0
Q3 tdms past 6 year = 0

#tdmpickup user count right now = 400
tdms played every day: ~30

Every game someone with a pro account spawns a server.

The existence of the unofficial QL servers, for the fact that they are utilized at all is proof enough it's bigger than Q3.

Edited by Demiurge at 13:45 CST, 5 March 2012

<< Comment #87 @ 23:12 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #76

1v1/TDM are both the vast minority in QL, too. Q3 is still wildly more popular.

<< Comment #91 @ 23:25 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #87

"1v1/TDM are both the vast minority in QL, too."

FFA/1v1/TDM/CTF is what counts for deathmatch.

Q3 is still wildly more popular.

I hope that's a typo, otherwise you're just full of made up shit. Again, try a Quake 3 server browser, Qtracker and tell me how many people are online. ZERO PEOPLE. So was it a typo, or is it really hard to understand that any number is wildly greater than ZERO?

Edited by Demiurge at 23:26 CST, 5 March 2012

<< Comment #110 @ 11:54 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #91

Since this reply has the same answer as my other reply, you should just reply there.

<< Comment #53 @ 07:21 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #52

Yes.

<< Comment #54 @ 07:28 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #53

No.

<< Comment #56 @ 07:32 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #54

Yes.

<< Comment #57 @ 07:50 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #56

No.

<< Comment #59 @ 07:52 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #57

Yes.

<< Comment #60 @ 08:23 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #59

No.

<< Comment #61 @ 08:25 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #60

Yes.

<< Comment #65 @ 10:54 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #61

No.

<< Comment #70 @ 12:02 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #65

Yes.

<< Comment #88 @ 23:12 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #70

No.

<< Comment #94 @ 00:09 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #88

Yes.

<< Comment #108 @ 11:48 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #94

No.

<< Comment #119 @ 13:32 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #108

Yes.

<< Comment #124 @ 00:11 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #119

No.

<< Comment #138 @ 09:01 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #124

Yes.

<< Comment #146 @ 12:23 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #138

No.

<< Comment #153 @ 14:35 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #146

Yes.

<< Comment #155 @ 01:13 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #153

No.

<< Comment #158 @ 01:43 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #155

Yes.

<< Comment #159 @ 01:45 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #158

No.

<< Comment #167 @ 07:20 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #159

Yes.

<< Comment #168 @ 07:28 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #167

No.

<< Comment #169 @ 08:24 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #168

Yes.

<< Comment #170 @ 08:38 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #169

No.

<< Comment #175 @ 09:33 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #170

Yes.

<< Comment #177 @ 10:14 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #175

No.

<< Comment #178 @ 10:15 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #177

Yes.

<< Comment #179 @ 10:16 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #178

No.

<< Comment #180 @ 10:18 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #179

Yes.

<< Comment #183 @ 13:36 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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kK_Storm - Reply to #180

INNIT

<< Comment #184 @ 13:39 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #183

please? On a sidenote to vedic: Yes.

<< Comment #194 @ 01:47 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #184

No.

<< Comment #212 @ 15:07 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #194

Yes.

<< Comment #222 @ 00:30 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #212

No.

<< Comment #226 @ 03:50 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #222

Yes.

<< Comment #234 @ 09:29 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #226

No.

<< Comment #251 @ 14:39 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #234

Yes.

<< Comment #258 @ 03:09 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #251

No.

<< Comment #273 @ 08:41 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #258

Yes.

<< Comment #275 @ 08:47 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #273

No.

<< Comment #283 @ 13:13 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #275

Yes.

<< Comment #287 @ 13:20 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #283

No.

<< Comment #293 @ 17:52 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #287

Yes.

<< Comment #298 @ 02:36 CDT, 12 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #293

No.

<< Comment #305 @ 15:34 CDT, 12 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #298

Yes.

<< Comment #308 @ 16:06 CDT, 12 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #305

No.

<< Comment #312 @ 17:42 CDT, 12 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #308

Yes.

<< Comment #315 @ 03:30 CDT, 13 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #312

No.

<< Comment #319 @ 12:36 CDT, 13 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #315

Yes.

<< Comment #322 @ 14:15 CDT, 13 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #319

No.

<< Comment #330 @ 08:13 CDT, 14 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #322

Yes.

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<< Comment #336 @ 13:26 CDT, 14 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #330

No.

<< Comment #341 @ 22:06 CDT, 14 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #336

Yes.

<< Comment #346 @ 04:02 CDT, 15 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #341

No.

<< Comment #348 @ 08:41 CDT, 15 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #346

Yes.

<< Comment #351 @ 04:51 CDT, 16 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #348

No.

<< Comment #355 @ 09:05 CDT, 16 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #351

Yes.

<< Comment #356 @ 05:33 CDT, 17 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #355

No.

<< Comment #364 @ 17:36 CDT, 17 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #356

Yes.

<< Comment #365 @ 17:36 CDT, 17 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #364

No.

<< Comment #370 @ 05:09 CDT, 18 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #365

Yes.

<< Comment #375 @ 05:42 CDT, 18 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #370

No.

<< Comment #377 @ 08:47 CDT, 18 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #375

Yes.

<< Comment #381 @ 11:22 CDT, 18 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #377

No.

<< Comment #386 @ 14:58 CDT, 18 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #381

Yes.

<< Comment #393 @ 07:11 CDT, 19 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #386

No.

<< Comment #396 @ 13:05 CDT, 19 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #393

Yes.

<< Comment #400 @ 09:28 CDT, 20 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #396

No.

<< Comment #406 @ 14:55 CDT, 21 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #400

Yes.

<< Comment #408 @ 16:07 CDT, 21 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #406

No.

<< Comment #413 @ 19:33 CDT, 21 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #408

Yes.

<< Comment #414 @ 10:54 CDT, 22 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #413

No.

<< Comment #421 @ 03:43 CDT, 24 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #414

Yes.

<< Comment #422 @ 17:12 CDT, 24 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #421

No.

<< Comment #427 @ 05:30 CDT, 25 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #422

Yes.

<< Comment #429 @ 14:18 CDT, 25 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #427

No.

<< Comment #432 @ 15:35 CDT, 25 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #429

Yes.

<< Comment #436 @ 13:26 CDT, 26 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #432

No.

<< Comment #437 @ 14:04 CDT, 26 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #436

Yes.

<< Comment #442 @ 13:40 CDT, 27 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #437

No.

<< Comment #444 @ 13:38 CDT, 28 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #442

Yes.

<< Comment #447 @ 18:53 CDT, 28 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #444

No.

<< Comment #454 @ 08:24 CDT, 29 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #447

Yes.

<< Comment #465 @ 14:07 CDT, 30 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #454

No.

<< Comment #467 @ 16:59 CDT, 30 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #465

Yes.

<< Comment #473 @ 05:51 CDT, 31 March 2012 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #467

One could write a script you know.

<< Comment #474 @ 07:50 CDT, 31 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #473

Typing in 3-6 letters and two dots a day isn't really that challenging you know ;).

<< Comment #475 @ 08:25 CDT, 31 March 2012 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #474

Yeah, if you visit the site anyway, maybe it isn't. But the thread might get locked. And if it doesn't, you can never win. Vedic is mad. So why would you bother if you can't win?

<< Comment #476 @ 09:14 CDT, 31 March 2012 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #475

Actually, I've seen him fail to reply last in the exact same type of exchange one or two years ago. He probably forgot to reply though, there's no way he purposely let the other guy have the last word.
edit: we'll have to see if after reading this he tries to find the thread to reply last :p

Edited by Naghokez at 09:21 CDT, 31 March 2012

<< Comment #494 @ 15:20 CDT, 2 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #476

Link?

<< Comment #493 @ 15:16 CDT, 2 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #467

No.

<< Comment #495 @ 16:25 CDT, 2 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #493

Yes.

<< Comment #500 @ 01:54 CDT, 3 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #495

No.

<< Comment #501 @ 07:50 CDT, 3 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #500

Yes.

<< Comment #510 @ 17:07 CDT, 3 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #501

No.

<< Comment #511 @ 17:44 CDT, 3 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #510

Yes.

<< Comment #517 @ 13:27 CDT, 4 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #511

No.

<< Comment #519 @ 14:21 CDT, 4 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #517

Yes.

<< Comment #530 @ 18:08 CDT, 5 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #519

No.

<< Comment #532 @ 04:48 CDT, 6 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #530

Yes.

<< Comment #538 @ 00:47 CDT, 7 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #532

No.

<< Comment #541 @ 03:34 CDT, 7 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #538

Yes.

Edited by WTFProoF?! at 03:35 CDT, 7 April 2012

<< Comment #545 @ 05:21 CDT, 7 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #541

No.

<< Comment #547 @ 12:23 CDT, 7 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #545

Yes.

<< Comment #549 @ 22:05 CDT, 7 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #547

No.

<< Comment #559 @ 06:13 CDT, 9 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #549

Yes.

<< Comment #563 @ 20:21 CDT, 9 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #559

No.

<< Comment #566 @ 22:25 CDT, 9 April 2012 >>

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Trance - Reply to #563

holy fucking shit you 2.

<< Comment #574 @ 04:38 CDT, 12 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #563

Yes.

<< Comment #578 @ 23:53 CDT, 12 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #574

No.

<< Comment #590 @ 14:27 CDT, 17 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #578

Yes.

<< Comment #595 @ 13:31 CDT, 18 April 2012 >>

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Weird ' - Reply to #590

orly?

<< Comment #601 @ 15:20 CDT, 18 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #595

I think so...

<< Comment #596 @ 14:09 CDT, 18 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #590

No.

<< Comment #600 @ 15:20 CDT, 18 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #590

Yes.

<< Comment #367 @ 18:12 CDT, 17 March 2012 >>

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Something - Reply to #330

I believe this post was the most thought provoking and insightful of all.

Definitely.

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palatka - Reply to #367

Yes.

<< Comment #371 @ 05:10 CDT, 18 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #367

Thank you good sir, I'm happy if I can help educating this community even if vedic is still resisting heavily =].

<< Comment #193 @ 01:47 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #180

No.

<< Comment #213 @ 15:07 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #193

Yes.

<< Comment #221 @ 00:30 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #213

No.

<< Comment #225 @ 03:50 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #221

Yes.

<< Comment #235 @ 09:29 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #225

No.

<< Comment #244 @ 13:58 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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troII - Reply to #235

C-C-Combo Breaker

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palatka - Reply to #244

No.

<< Comment #247 @ 14:08 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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troII - Reply to #245

Ok :(

<< Comment #250 @ 14:38 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #235

Yes.

<< Comment #259 @ 03:09 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #250

No.

<< Comment #272 @ 08:41 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #259

Yes.

<< Comment #276 @ 08:47 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #272

No.

<< Comment #284 @ 13:13 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #276

Yes.

<< Comment #286 @ 13:20 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #284

No.

<< Comment #292 @ 16:14 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #286

wait a minute... this shit is STILL going on?

<< Comment #295 @ 17:53 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #292

Of course it is :)

<< Comment #361 @ 11:54 CDT, 17 March 2012 >>

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palatka - Reply to #292

ba-dum-tsh...

<< Comment #294 @ 17:52 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #286

Yes.

<< Comment #297 @ 02:32 CDT, 12 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #294

No.

<< Comment #306 @ 15:34 CDT, 12 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #297

Yes.

<< Comment #307 @ 16:06 CDT, 12 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #306

No.

<< Comment #313 @ 17:42 CDT, 12 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #307

Yes.

<< Comment #314 @ 03:30 CDT, 13 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #313

No.

<< Comment #320 @ 12:36 CDT, 13 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #314

Yes.

<< Comment #323 @ 14:16 CDT, 13 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #320

No.

<< Comment #329 @ 08:12 CDT, 14 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #323

Yes.

<< Comment #335 @ 13:25 CDT, 14 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #329

No.

<< Comment #342 @ 22:07 CDT, 14 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #335

Yes.

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vedic - Reply to #342

No.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #345

Yes.

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vedic - Reply to #347

No.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #352

Yes.

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vedic - Reply to #354

No.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #357

Yes.

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vedic - Reply to #363

No.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #366

Yes.

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vedic - Reply to #372

No.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #374

Yes.

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vedic - Reply to #376

No.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #380

Yes.

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vedic - Reply to #387

No.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #392

Yes.

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vedic - Reply to #397

No.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #399

Yes.

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vedic - Reply to #407

No.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #409

Yes.

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vedic - Reply to #412

No.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #415

Yes.

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vedic - Reply to #420

No.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #424

Yes.

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vedic - Reply to #426

No.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #428

Yes.

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vedic - Reply to #433

No.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #435

Yes.

<< Comment #441 @ 13:40 CDT, 27 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #438

No.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #441

Yes.

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vedic - Reply to #445

No.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #448

Yes.

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vedic - Reply to #453

No.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #455

Yes.

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vedic - Reply to #461

No.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #463

Yes.

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vedic - Reply to #468

No.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #492

Yes.

<< Comment #499 @ 01:54 CDT, 3 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #496

No.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #499

Yes.

<< Comment #509 @ 17:07 CDT, 3 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #502

No.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #509

Yes.

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vedic - Reply to #512

No.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #515

Yes.

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vedic - Reply to #520

No.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #529

Yes.

<< Comment #537 @ 00:46 CDT, 7 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #533

No.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #537

Yes.

<< Comment #544 @ 05:20 CDT, 7 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #542

No.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #544

Yes.

<< Comment #550 @ 22:06 CDT, 7 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #548

No.

<< Comment #558 @ 06:13 CDT, 9 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #550

Yes.

<< Comment #562 @ 20:21 CDT, 9 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #558

No.

<< Comment #575 @ 04:38 CDT, 12 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #562

Yes.

<< Comment #579 @ 23:53 CDT, 12 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #575

No.

<< Comment #589 @ 14:27 CDT, 17 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #579

Yes.

<< Comment #597 @ 14:09 CDT, 18 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #589

No.

<< Comment #602 @ 15:36 CDT, 18 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #597

Yes.

<< Comment #603 @ 12:20 CDT, 19 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #602

No.

<< Comment #606 @ 13:19 CDT, 19 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #603

Yes.

<< Comment #608 @ 18:24 CDT, 19 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #606

No.

<< Comment #610 @ 18:47 CDT, 19 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #608

Yes.

<< Comment #612 @ 06:23 CDT, 20 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #610

No.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #612

Yes.

<< Comment #616 @ 11:30 CDT, 20 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #615

No.

<< Comment #618 @ 17:30 CDT, 20 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #616

Yes.

<< Comment #620 @ 14:27 CDT, 21 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #618

No.

<< Comment #623 @ 14:54 CDT, 21 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #620

Yes.

<< Comment #625 @ 11:32 CDT, 23 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #623

No.

<< Comment #626 @ 12:08 CDT, 23 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #625

Yes.

<< Comment #633 @ 08:49 CDT, 24 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #626

No.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #633

Yes.

<< Comment #636 @ 12:19 CDT, 24 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #635

No.

<< Comment #639 @ 12:48 CDT, 24 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #636

Yes.

<< Comment #640 @ 19:18 CDT, 25 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #639

No.

<< Comment #643 @ 12:05 CDT, 26 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #640

Yes.

<< Comment #645 @ 14:46 CDT, 26 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #643

No.

<< Comment #646 @ 16:24 CDT, 26 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #645

Yes.

<< Comment #660 @ 18:07 CDT, 27 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #646

No.

<< Comment #662 @ 03:10 CDT, 28 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #660

Yes.

<< Comment #663 @ 05:04 CDT, 29 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #662

No.

<< Comment #665 @ 09:02 CDT, 29 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #663

Yes.

<< Comment #666 @ 10:13 CDT, 29 April 2012 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #665

By the way your reply #600 in the other line of discussion was a reply to post #590 (your own) rather than Vedic's last "No", comment #596 :-D

<< Comment #667 @ 10:16 CDT, 29 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #666

With that many posts it doesn't make a big difference anymore :D

<< Comment #668 @ 11:10 CDT, 29 April 2012 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #667

Well, it does if you want to have the last word :p At this point I think pretty much a maximum of 5 to 10 people still click on this topic from time to time though.

<< Comment #670 @ 12:38 CDT, 29 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #668

Exactly, three of them being vedic, Demiurge and me that makes it 2-7 people max :D

<< Comment #672 @ 12:53 CDT, 1 May 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #665

No.

<< Comment #673 @ 14:56 CDT, 1 May 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #672

Yes.

<< Comment #676 @ 17:58 CDT, 3 May 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #673

No.

<< Comment #121 @ 13:51 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #108

no.

<< Comment #75 @ 13:35 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #46

the number in q3 for duel was exactly zero, for tdm it was zero for 6 years.

<< Comment #89 @ 23:12 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #75

I assume you mean VQ3.

<< Comment #92 @ 23:30 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #89

Yes, as in that's the only relevant mode. No, as in, there are ZERO to TWO people playing ALL of the Q3 any given time, including CPMA.

<< Comment #109 @ 11:52 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #92

There are at least 708 people playing Q3.

<< Comment #111 @ 11:59 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #109

there are THREE players playing CPMA right now + FIVE osp. Xfire is irrelevant.

<< Comment #116 @ 12:49 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #111

OSP and CPMA are in Quake 3. XFire is showing quite a few more players than 0.

<< Comment #117 @ 13:12 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #116

Xfire is irrelevant. It is irrelevant why or how, or IF its statistics are wrong.
Open up Qtracker to see the actual games, and open up QuakeLive to see the actual games. There are 3 players playing DM in Q3 at any given time, there are more than a hundred playing QL. Therefore QL is wildly more active. I am tired of repeating myself, if you are religious, I can't help it. Good luck.

<< Comment #126 @ 00:12 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #117

t is irrelevant why or how, or IF its statistics are wrong.

I see. So it's wrong, because you say that it is wrong. Logic!

<< Comment #127 @ 01:16 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #126

no, that's not what I said. can you see how I made the "IF" word CAPITALIZED so that you would SEE it and you use that LOGIC of mine? It could be wrong because of the bots, it could be wrong because it's averaging over a long period, it could be totally right. I said is that Xfire is IRRELEVANT in light of ones ability to directly OBSERVE the activity of each game from the SOURCE of any possible data bout the activity of the game. If 3 new people play every 6 minutes, in 24 hours that equals 720 people. QL with 100 players in the same amount of minutes would equal a billion. Who cares? Let's ignore all that and talk about Xfire and how I'm totally wrong about it being wrong. Oh shit, I forgot I wasn't going to repeat myself and waste my time on people of faith and ironic arguments :/

Edited by Demiurge at 01:35 CST, 7 March 2012

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vedic - Reply to #127

I said is that Xfire is IRRELEVANT in light of ones ability to directly OBSERVE the activity of each game from the SOURCE of any possible data bout the activity of the game.

Since I didn't want this to turn into an argument of "NOT WHEN I LOOKED", I provided you with a third party. XFire is not logging users based on server info, it is logging it based on what people are playing with the XFire client open. There can be no mistake, or confusion with bots.

<< Comment #129 @ 01:52 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #128

Xfire is irrelevant. there are ZERO players playing Q3 right now. there are at least 50 people playing QL right now, at 3am. QL is still wildly more popular.

Edited by Demiurge at 01:58 CST, 7 March 2012

<< Comment #134 @ 05:55 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #129

All you did was repeat yourself, without actually disproving XFire. You're arguing with them, not with me - and you're not doing a very good job.

<< Comment #142 @ 10:32 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #134

All you do is talk about xfire. All I repeat myself about is that its irrelevant for the argument about QL popularity. How am I arguing with xfire if its irrelevant? Are you okey, dear?

<< Comment #145 @ 12:23 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #142

Your argument is that Q3 has zero players. This has been proven false.

<< Comment #150 @ 13:09 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #145

No, my argument is that QL is vastly more active than Q3 because Q3 has zero to few players at any time, therefore QL has from infinity to a hundred as many players. This has been proven true.

<< Comment #156 @ 01:13 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #150

This seems to be an issue of your own, rather than the actual number of players.

<< Comment #171 @ 09:12 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #156

How is the number 3 and number 100 not "actual"? Open up either game browser and observe it yourself. It seems you have an issue of your own, not able to compare two observable data points. Is something blocking this information from being processed? Do you need help?

Edited by Demiurge at 09:14 CST, 8 March 2012

<< Comment #176 @ 10:13 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #171

I could install the program, and then cite different numbers, or I can simply point to a third party so that neither of us can argue that the other person was lying, or that they simply didn't see the numbers when they looked. Unless you want to say that XFire is lying about player count, I'm not sure what you're trying to argue.

<< Comment #181 @ 10:35 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #176

lol, did you miss the part where you need two equivalent data points for comparison? Xfire is irrelevant, get over it and install the browser, if you really think I'm lying. And if you see 3 players, you won't have to argue anymore and just admit that QL is vastly more popular then Q3, right?

<< Comment #192 @ 01:46 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #181

Unless you have something to contest XFire, your anecdotal evidence is irrelevant.

<< Comment #201 @ 10:14 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #192

lol, did you miss the part where you need two equivalent data points for comparison? what data am I supposed to contest from Xfire if it doesn't provide any? why is Xfire relevant?

how is observation of player numbers anecdotal if you are directly observing it?

Edited by Demiurge at 10:16 CST, 9 March 2012

<< Comment #202 @ 10:17 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #201

XFire shows people who play Q3 while they have XFire open, and the number of minutes that they play. You've pointed to a server list, that has even been explained to you to be faulty. It seems that going to a third party was the right thing to do from the start, and you have no counter-argument.

<< Comment #203 @ 10:24 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #202

The server list is not faulty in any way. It hasn't even been claimed to be faulty, it's been assembled using third-party servers for the entire decade now, and the fact that original server is down didn't change anything.

lol, did you miss the part where you need two equivalent data points for comparison? what data am I supposed to counter from Xfire if it doesn't provide any? why is Xfire relevant?

how is observation of player numbers anecdotal if you are directly observing it?

<< Comment #205 @ 10:33 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #203

You're arguing anecdotal evidence against XFire's usage statistics. It's not working.

<< Comment #206 @ 10:35 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #205

No, I'm arguing one directly observable data point against another equivalent directly observable data point. I am not arguing against Xfire statistics, I am obviously ignoring them and saying they're irrelevant.

You're claiming Xfire is relevant, but it's not working.

lol, did you miss the part where you need two equivalent data points for comparison? what data am I supposed to counter from Xfire if it doesn't provide any equivalent data about QuakeLive? why is Xfire relevant?

<< Comment #208 @ 10:48 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #206

XFire is directly observing the number of people playing with their client. You're claiming that XFire isn't working, but you have provided no evidence. In fact, you've been given a reason why your server browser isn't working, and you're still trying to argue it.

<< Comment #209 @ 11:11 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #208

I haven't been given a reason why my server browser isn't working, and I'm not arguing what was stated to me, which is that the main id servers are not up.

I'm not claiming that XFire isn't working, I'm asking you why it is relevant if it is not providing TWO equivalent data points? Why is Xfire relevant in a comparison between Quake 3 and QuakeLive if it is not providing data about QuakeLive?

Edited by Demiurge at 11:12 CST, 9 March 2012

<< Comment #211 @ 12:31 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #209

Comparing? You said that it had 0. Your numbers are clearly wrong. I asked for proof of the numbers for QL earlier in this post, and you have yet to provide any. Are you arguing something that isn't being discussed?

<< Comment #217 @ 23:23 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #211

It has zero some of the time. My numbers are clearly right, and you can verify them directly. And I told you how to do it. Why haven't you done it?

I also told you how to verify QL number for this comparison. I also told you how to do it.

What's being discussed is the claim that QL is vastly more popular than Q3. I have given you proof of this. Are you ignoring the answer to your own question?

<< Comment #219 @ 00:28 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #217

I have given you proof that does not require anecdotal evidence.

<< Comment #228 @ 05:37 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #219

No, you haven't. Direct observation is not 'anecdotal' because it's direct. Why haven't you observed it?

<< Comment #232 @ 09:28 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #228

Your observation has already been proven flawed, and does not match up with objective third-party observation.

<< Comment #241 @ 13:08 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #232

My observation has not been proven flawed, and matches up with the third party observation of Quake 3 perfectly well. There is NO third party observation of QuakeLive. Yet, you can directly, yourself observe QuakeLive and extrapolate the numbers to be much higher than quake 3. There is NO conflict in all of the data observed and the fact that QuakeLive is much more popular than Quake 3. Why are you ignoring the answers you've been given to your own question?

<< Comment #243 @ 13:27 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #241

... what?

There is NO conflict in all of the data observed and the fact that QuakeLive is much more popular than Quake 3.

I never argued against that. You've obviously been arguing the wrong point this entire time. You could have saved a lot of time by reading.

There is NO third party observation of QuakeLive.

There is, and I even addressed this already in this thread.

The conflict is between your incorrect assessment of the number of Q3 players, and the obvious mismatch between your anecdotal evidence, and objective third-party evidence.

<< Comment #248 @ 14:28 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #243

I never argued against that. You've obviously been arguing the wrong point this entire time. You could have saved a lot of time by reading.

You could have saved a post not contradicting yourself:

Q3 is still wildly more popular.

Obviously, this is what I'm arguing.

Proof that it's bigger than Q3?

Obviously, this is what I'm providing. Why are you ignoring it?

There is absolutely ZERO relation between website search trends and game popularity. None of that is evidence. What is direct evidence is observing the server populations directly. It is absolutely correct method to establish the fact that QuakeLive is vastly more popular than Quake 3.

<< Comment #260 @ 03:15 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #248

Obviously, this is what I'm providing. Why are you ignoring it?

You didn't provide it, because you didn't actually read the comment that I replied to. We were talking about the illegal underground QL servers, which he said was a bigger community than Q3. You're arguing an entirely different point, and you're doing it with faulty data. Feel free to scroll up and eat your foot.

There is absolutely ZERO relation between website search trends and game popularity.

Which is why I provided website HITS. Did you miss that part?

<< Comment #282 @ 10:39 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #260

Feel free to scroll up yourself and eat your own foot, because you are the one who claimed Q3 was wildly more popular than QL. The point I am arguing is that there there is no Q3 community, which would make any QL community bigger.

The data I'm providing is not faulty. It is universal, and everyone in the community has to deal with it. Qtracker shows you what anyone else can see, and that is third party server lists which are maintained and have been for many years, and which everyone seems to be using without any problem. Thats what Quake 3 IS. It's not fault, it was more popular with these server lists, but now its not played virtually at all, except by 0-3 players

The website trends OR hits, or anything website, have ZERO relation to the actual game usage. I thought that was obvious.

<< Comment #285 @ 13:19 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #282

Feel free to scroll up yourself and eat your own foot, because you are the one who claimed Q3 was wildly more popular than QL.

No, I claimed that Q3 was wildly more popular than the illegal server community of QL. Feel free to have a taste of your foot.

The data I'm providing is not faulty. It is universal, and everyone in the community has to deal with it.

It is universally faulty, and having to deal with it does not change the actual number of players.

The website trends OR hits, or anything website, have ZERO relation to the actual game usage. I thought that was obvious.

Are you trying to argue the activity of the few players that you have? That has no relevance to the discussion. It doesn't matter how active those few thousand players are, it matters that there are only a few thousand of them.

<< Comment #290 @ 14:37 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #285

You sure did claim that Quake 3 is wildly more popular than QuakeLive. So I guess you are the one who keep chewing feet around here.

The data is universally correct. Seems like you don't understand what 'universal' means in this context, which is that it is the same for everyone who measures it, and there is no way around it, for anyone. Why do you keep refusing this obvious evidence? It is the only thing that gives the actual number of players, and you keep ignoring it. Self denial much?

I'm not trying to argue anything. All I keep showing is that QL is wildly more popular thank Quake 3 using the most authentic and direct measurement. Everything else is irrelevant in light of these data. Instead of arguing and flailing your little arms in the air in denial, why don't you lunch two browsers and observe how much vastly popular QuakeLive is than Quake3?

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vedic - Reply to #290

You sure did claim that Quake 3 is wildly more popular than QuakeLive. So I guess you are the one who keep chewing feet around here.

Yes, I pointed out that 1v1 and TDM are the minority, and that Q3 is still vastly more popular than the illegal server community. Congrats on humiliating yourself.

The data is universally correct. Seems like you don't understand what 'universal' means in this context, which is that it is the same for everyone who measures it, and there is no way around it, for anyone.

You can't see the air, but it exists. Just because your tools are broken, it doesn't mean that the players aren't there.

All I keep showing is that QL is wildly more popular thank Quake 3 using the most authentic and direct measurement.

Which is you arguing a point that was never made.

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Q3 is still vastly less popular than the illegal server community or any community because it is no community. Congrats on humiliating yourself.

You can see the data that does exists much better than the air. The tools are not broken, they are working perfectly well, you're just refusing to look at it. Just because the tools are showing you how wrong you are, doesn't mean they are broken.

You are the one who said that Q3 is vastly more popular than QuakeLive. Just because you don't like the taste of your foot and self-humiliation you keep putting yourself through doesn't mean you can back out of the claims you made without any basis.

<< Comment #309 @ 16:09 CDT, 12 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #302

Q3 is still vastly less popular than the illegal server community or any community because it is no community. Congrats on humiliating yourself.

There you go, now you're finally arguing the correct point, even if you're still arguing with faulty data!

You are the one who said that Q3 is vastly more popular than QuakeLive.

Still never happened, unless your imagination counts.

<< Comment #310 @ 16:26 CDT, 12 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #309

I've been arguing the same point and points the entire time, you however have been picking totally random points and things to completely disagree and self-humiliate yourself about because you don't like the taste of your own foot. The fact is that QuakeLive is vastly more popular than Quake 3. The fact is that you said:

Q3 is still wildly more popular.

Now, it might be very hard for you to admit this very fact, but according to the most pure data, directly observable in any Quake 3 server browser, which is what any Q3 community, if it existed, would have to rely on, virtually no one plays Quake 3. This in stark contrast to QuakeLive which has hundreds of legal players playing at any given time. So why don't you observe this truth and accept it for yourself and stop denying what everyone else can plainly see?

<< Comment #316 @ 03:37 CDT, 13 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #310

I've been arguing the same point and points the entire time

As have I, it just turns out that you have been arguing something that was never being discussed. Either through a mistake of your own, or some inner need to defend something that wasn't even being attacked. No need to be so insecure.

Now, it might be very hard for you to admit this very fact, but according to the most pure data, directly observable in any Quake 3 server browser, which is what any Q3 community, if it existed, would have to rely on, virtually no one plays Quake 3.

I agree that Q3 is small, and that Q3 is smaller than QL. I have never argued differently. Ever. The argument has always been about Q3 compared to the illegal server community, and I even linked you to the comment in question so you could understand the context. Would you like the link again? Here you go. Would you like me to quote it, so you can't possibly argue that the discussion has been about anything else? Here you go:

Yes, and actually, current "underground" QL community who play mostly on illegal servers (because of ping) is quite large (bigger than Q3) and they aren't going to Q3 at all.

There. Now make peace with your insecurities about the future of QL (which wasn't even being attacked), and pull your foot out of your mouth.

<< Comment #318 @ 11:33 CDT, 13 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #316

You have been arguing absolutely everything. Either through some pathology that makes you keep making mistakes or some inner need to claim nonsense over and over and not conceed any points. It took just so long to admit that QL is vastly more popular than QuakeLive, while ignoring you have ever claimed otherwise, which you have. No one needs to be so insecure.

I didn't say Q3 is very small, I said it is non-existant. It's dead, no one plays it. The three players that pop up all the time is an after-echo, they don't even know what game they're playing, they probably just found it in your basement where you keep them chained to the shitty american copper piping. And yes, you have been arguing entirely diffrent, as I keep quoting you on that and you keep ignoring through some inner disconnect. No one needs to be so much in denial. The illegal servers is just part of the argument, not the whole argument. Just because it's the originator for the entire discussion, doesn't mean it's been the only discussion, otherwise you would be so insecure and foot-hungry as to keep replying to me about something I'm not arguing about, would you? The fact of the matter is that Q3 has ZERO to THREE players at any given time, and everything else, especially QuakeLive and any one of its legal or illigal servers is vastly more popular.

There. Now make peace with your insecurities about the future of QL (which you repeatedly attack in every thread), and pull your foot out of your mouth.

<< Comment #321 @ 14:15 CDT, 13 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #318

I know what you said, and it's been proven wrong. You've even been given a reason why it's wrong from someone who isn't even me. You have no argument for the objective third-party observation, other than to simply dismiss it. You tried to misrepresent this as an argument against QL, which it never was. Is there anything else you'd like to make up, or lie about?

<< Comment #324 @ 15:45 CDT, 13 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #321

What I said has not been proven wrong. Time and time again, it has been proven to be the ultimate, truthful, first-hand data that trumps everything else, third or fourth party. Yet you refuse to admit the fact that everyone has to contend with the same gaming server master lists, without exception. There are zero to 3 players playing Quake 3 at any time, and you just have suck it up, pull your head out of the sand and plead wrong. You can't run from these facts. You tried to misrepresent this an an argument against QL, which it never was. This an argument of QL against Q3, which it always has been. Is there anything else you want to lie about while chewing on your foot, or be humiliated about?

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vedic - Reply to #324

This an argument of QL against Q3

If you want to argue that, you're going to have to find someone to actually argue it. At no point has that been the topic here. Did you need me to link you to the comment that spurred the discussion again? Did you miss it the second time? Did you miss the full quote of the post in question?

No, you didn't - you purposely ignored them in hopes of making it look like you didn't make such an embarrassing mistake. You did. You're obviously committed to your argument, but you're just arguing with yourself.

<< Comment #327 @ 03:49 CDT, 14 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #326

I have been arguing against the false claims you have been making in every single comment you reply to me. It's like you absolutely can't stop making things up and lying through your teeth while chewing your own foot. The fact of the matter is that Q3 is being played by zero to three players at any given time, and you need to stop denying these very obvious facts. You need to stop denying the obvious authenticity and trumpness of the data and observe it for yourself. The other fact is that QuakeLive is vastly superior in legal and counterfeit use to something that is played by three players at most, at any given time, because QuakeLive is played by at least 100 players at any given time. You're obviously committed to never admitting you're wrong, but know, that with each reply you just embarrass yourself more and more, and this isn't going to get any better, I'm afraid.

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vedic - Reply to #327

You've been having an argument against a point that nobody has been advocating, with anecdotal evidence that has been proven faulty. You're done here.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #328

You have been pretending there is no argument because you have been totally defeated in it. You claim the data is wrong just because it contradicts your claims. However, the data is not wrong. The master server lists exist and have been functioning and showing Q3 active since it was more popular than QuakeLive, without any change. This data is not wrong, the person just pointed out an irrelevant fact. It's completely sad to see you cling to that comment. I'm sure you want me to be done embarrassing you, but you first have to admit you are wrong on all counts like a good samaritan that you are.

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vedic - Reply to #332

You're both wrong, and arguing something that was never being argued.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #334

You're in denial because of how totally wrong you are in the face of facts staring you right in the face. You have no arguments, so every time you just say something everyone can see to be a fact is wrong, you only emberass yourself further.

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vor_ - Reply to #337

Facts like this I suppose? "Q3 tdms past 6 year = 0".

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #339

no, that's obviously a lie, i mean facts.

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vedic - Reply to #337

Facts agree with me. I even stayed objective, which you have yet to address in any way.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #344

Fact is that Quake3 has no community. Nobody is putting up any servers, and no one cares if they're legal. If you were objective, you would see that. Instead you keep repeating mantras and ignoring the facts, ignoring how first hand data trumps any third party. Complete denial is not objective. Why don't you pull your head out of the sand?

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vedic - Reply to #349

It doesn't have to have community to have players.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #350

It has to have something more than QuakeLive to be vastly more something than QuakeLive at anything. It's not, at anything. You should come to reconcile your ego with the truth. QuakeLive is vastly more popular, has vastly more players, has vastly more illegal servers, and has vastly more players playing illegal servers than Quake3 has playing any servers.

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vedic - Reply to #360

Continuing to attempt to argue that point with someone who was never arguing it to begin with is not going to save your game. I get that you're horribly insecure, and that reality must be getting pretty hard to ignore, but I'm sure you can find someone who is actually arguing that point. I'm sure that raging at them might make you feel better, but eventually, you're going to have to face facts. Time is not on your side.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #362

This is not a game, and it's not about my feelings. The hard cold facts are on my side, so you are the one who who has to overcome your feelings and see the fact that calling this argument not your argument, just because you lost it to the facts, is evidence of deep trauma, which you have to overcome and move on. Yes, time is on your side, and it's good to let the therapy run its course so that the facts can sink in. These facts are that Quake3 is vastly less popular than QuakeLive in every single metric. Every. Single. Metric. Community, players, servers, you name it. Don't try to obscure these basic facts with any distractions and denial, it's futile and self-destructive.

Edited by Demiurge at 18:22 CDT, 17 March 2012

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vedic - Reply to #368

Of course this isn't a game - Jenga is a game. This is you trying to find someone to argue a point, even when they aren't talking about it. Delusions are serious.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #373

This is you distracting yourself from the point you lost. Denial is serious business. When are you going to acknowledge Quake 3 is vastly less everything than QuakeLive?

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vedic - Reply to #378

Careful, you're dipping into Jamerio territory.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #379

Don't pretend you can just change the subject by bringing up random things. This is about Quake 3 vs QuakeLive. Just admit that Quake3 is vastly less everything than QuakeLive, and you can open yourself up to a new and exciting world in which being wrong is just a step in a ladder leading you to a wealth of new knowledge and self-improvement!

Edited by Demiurge at 11:41 CDT, 18 March 2012

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vedic - Reply to #382

Change the subject? It was never the subject, until you tried to change it. If linking you to the root post, and even quoting it isn't enough, nothing will be. You're insecure, and delusional.

<< Comment #385 @ 13:50 CDT, 18 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #383

Why can't you just acknowledge Quake 3 is vastly less everything than QuakeLive? If you can't, then you're the delusional one, and so insecure, that you're in total denial.

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vedic - Reply to #385

... because I never argued against it to begin with. Did you have a breakdown?

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #394

You've been arguing it until it became too painful for you, for about 100 posts, and then you went into denial. Come on out, and acknowledge the truth. I know you can do it, and be happier for it.

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vedic - Reply to #395

No, I thought that you were arguing the same point that I was, but you weren't. When it became clear that you weren't, I pointed it out to you.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #398

The truth is that Quake 3 is vastly less everything than QuakeLive and this basic truth encompass any particular metric you claim to have been arguing in your self denial despite what you have said. So this argument squirming under the boot of all encompassing truth is absolutely useless. Just admit the truth, and then admit being wrong about everything and improve your world understanding.

<< Comment #403 @ 07:47 CDT, 21 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #401

I know that you feel like you need to convince me, as it will give you some kind of validation, but you're going to have to deal with reality at some point. You might as well make it now.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #403

I don't have to deal with any facts here, you do. Facts are, Quake3 is vastly less everything than QuakeLive. Deal with it, get over it, embrace it.

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vedic - Reply to #404

You have to deal with the facts at some point, as you can't keep going on lying to yourself after they shut the game down. Well, I suppose you could try, but you'd probably have to be even worse than Jamerio.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #410

Shutting down Quake 3 master game servers just made Quake 3 even more inferior than QuakeLive in one more aspect. I'm not denying that fact, I am fully embracing it. So why don't you fully embrace the fact that Quake 3 is vastly less than QuakeLive in every aspect? And I don't know why you keep summoning Jamerio, he won't save you from being wrong.

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vedic - Reply to #411

Oh, so now you understand that the master server is shut down, and you are unable to actually see the servers! You sure have an odd way of going through grief. That was basically straight denial to acceptance. I have told you multiple times that the argument was never between Quake 3 and Quake Live, but between Quake 3 and the illegal QL server community. Would you like me to link you again? Would you like me to quote it again?.. or would you like to continue to try to argue something that was never being argued? I'm not sure if you've noticed, but it's not working.

<< Comment #417 @ 11:16 CDT, 22 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #416

Oh, so now you are aware that I am aware that Quake3 official master server is off? Too bad you're not aware how everyone else is aware, and can play with a tool like Qtracker, using third party master servers as they have for many years! You can measure how much Quake3 is played, and at the same time, those who bought the original game have a harder time playing it. Isn't it obvious what this means? It means Quake 3 is inferior than QuakeLive under every single metric. Would you like to agree with this? Would you like it to be explained what it means that there are at most 3 people playing at any time Quake3? Would you like to understand that that means that any QuakeLive community is vastly larger? Would you like to show how much you're in denial by denying the fact that QuakeLive is vastly greater than Quake 3 in every metric, which, by the way, isn't working?

<< Comment #418 @ 10:22 CDT, 23 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #417

Too bad you're not aware how everyone else is aware, and can play with a tool like Qtracker, using third party master servers as they have for many years!

What does that have to do with people who aren't using third party master servers? Hmm... Nothing.

This argument has never been about Quake 3 vs Quake Live, but about Quake 3 vs the Quake Live illegal server community. Here is another reminder. This is how it started, which said:

Yes, and actually, current "underground" QL community who play mostly on illegal servers (because of ping) is quite large (bigger than Q3) and they aren't going to Q3 at all.

You are arguing with yourself.

<< Comment #419 @ 12:29 CDT, 23 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #418

If you are not using third party server lists, you are not using anything.

The Quake3 vs QuakeLive argument accounts for all of the QuakeLive servers, illegal or not. The fact is that anyone who plays QuakeLive on illegal servers also plays on legal servers and that if anyone plays and bothers to host QuakeLive illegal servers, which has been established that they do, they are vastly more numerous than Quake3. Anything that is anything is vastly more than anything in Quake 3. illegal servers, legal servers, any servers, any players, any metric.

You are arguing with yourself if you have any rationality left, trying to deny that part of your brain these facts, overtaken by the insecure and emotional part of your brain that can't accept being wrong and gaining knowledge. Snap out of this dead end of a dream, and accept that QuakeLive is vastly more anything than Quake3.

<< Comment #423 @ 17:13 CDT, 24 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #419

If you are not using third party server lists, you are not using third party server lists.

FTFY

People play without announcing to random third party master servers. This isn't complicated.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #423

No, they don't. It is complicated to set up a server, configure a router, get the mod installed, config going. And guess what, when you get a config going, it announces itself to the third-party party server. And guess what else, this is not any more complicate for QuakeLive, so if you claim people do this for Quake3, we already know they do it even more so for QuakeLive. Really, get over your fears, and admit you were wrong: QuakeLive is vastly more superior than Quake3 using every metric.

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vedic - Reply to #425

It announces itself to a third party server if you make it announce to a third party server. Have you never set up a server? Do you not understand how this works?

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Have you? Mods, have default server configs with default values, without which you can't even start a server. And guess what, when you get a config going, it announces itself to the third-party party server. And guess what else, this is not any more complicate for QuakeLive, so if you claim people do this for Quake3, we already know they do it even more so for QuakeLive. Really, get over your fears, and admit you were wrong: QuakeLive is vastly more superior than Quake3 using every metric.

<< Comment #434 @ 13:25 CDT, 26 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #431

If you get a config going, and choose to add third party master servers, it will announce to third party master servers. That's all there is to it, and has nothing to do with the actual number of players.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #434

Yes, it does. The fact is, if you start a server, and it will be used, these people will be seen and tracked by the game browser, such as Qtracker. And the fact is, no one is doing that. So the fact is that QuakeLive is vastly more superior than Quake3 at every metric. So you should really stop clinging to random tangential non-facts to justify your denial and get with the truth.

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vedic - Reply to #439

It will only be tracked if they go out of their way to announce it to random third party master servers. The fact is, the only people to use them were in the minority to begin with, and those people have all moved on to QL anyway.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #440

Great point. And those who haven't, don't even know how to start a server and what a server is. So basically QuakeLive is vastly more everything than Quake3.

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vedic - Reply to #443

Starting a server is very simple, but going out of your way to understand master servers, and to find out about third party master servers is not something that your average host will do. Even still, just because they aren't using the master server that you are, it doesn't mean that they aren't playing.

At the time of this writing... Quakeservers.net is showing 1300 players across all servers. The excessiveplus site is listing 22 players. The Urban Terror site is listing 1000 players. Another 3 on Generations Arena. About 600 players are playing Q3 with XFire.

Hold on - doing the math real quick... Hmm.. carry the 2... add 7.. Great scott! It's greater than 0! Now, if you intend to argue that the illegal QL server community has more players than this, I'm more than willing to examine any evidence that you want to submit.

You're enraged at the reality of QL's epic failure, and you wanted someone to rage against. You lashed out at me, thinking I was making an argument against QL as a whole, and then couldn't back down after I explained it to you. Don't worry, I forgive you. Anger is a natural phase of grief.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #446

Why would I be angry? QuakeLive is active, I can find a game any time, unlike in Quake3. And this is absolutely fantastic! I'm surprised you chose to dig it up, because it shows you have a lot of players playing a total conversion game such as UT and ZERO players playing any real competitive Quake 3. Absolutely in line with what Qtracker is showing, as well. So this only reinforces the fact that QuakeLive is vastly more everything than Quake3. Now you can stop denying it?

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vedic - Reply to #450

At no point did I ever argue about any 'competitive' players, and it's nothing more than an ad hominem attack. Did you have evidence in favor of QL illegal servers being more active than Q3, or not?

I'm willing to accept your apology.

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Quake3 is a competitive game, that's whole idea. You compete against other players in deathmatch. UrbanTerror is not Quake3 per se, even if it is using Quake3 as a base. So it turns out that QuakeLive is vastly more everything than Quake3, including not being a totally different game. You don't need my acceptance to stop denying these facts, but you have my blessing.

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vedic - Reply to #452

It's a competitive game to you, but it's just a game. You can keep throwing out ad hominem attacks, but it isn't going anywhere. If you can actually muster up any evidence for the illegal QL server community, I'm still more than willing to hear it.

You really shouldn't be so jealous of the activity in Q3, as those players are keeping the game alive for when you are forced to return.

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There is nothing to return to, there are zero players playing the Quake3 standard competitive game mods. It's not an ad hominem attack, because it is exactly what you showed with your data. For some reason you just look at the data though, I say the opposite of what the data shows. All data agrees with the simple fact that QuakeLive is vastly more anything than Quake3, except for not being Quake3, like UrbanTerror. Giving Quake3 credence from other games based on Quake3 engine isn't going to get you anywhere but into more deluded and irrational state. Time to get over Quake3s death and the next 4 steps of the grievance process.

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vedic - Reply to #457

If you had bothered to actually follow the links, you'd find that there are still several people playing standard Q3 FFA/CTF/TDM. With the master server back up, you'll even find OSP and CPMA players. The numbers on quakeservers.net have doubled since the master server came back.

Still waiting on any evidence for your side of the argument, but we both know that you don't have any.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #460

Yeah, I can totally see they have registered a handful of players over a long period of time. If I keep Qtracker open for a while, I can spot a player or two once in a while. So the data is in total agreement. So the evidence you claim is yours is totally on my side. That's my evidence. And it shows QuakeLive is vastly more everything than Quake3. Still waiting for you to succumb to your own evidence.

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vedic - Reply to #462

Yes, the data is in total agreement with what I have been saying. Multiple third party sources have proven you wrong, and now even the master server is back up to prove you wrong. Now that we have a basis for comparison, what illegal QL server evidence would you like to compare?

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #464

The evidence is that there are at least 5 servers that are being used. They are listed on another forum, but many people have told you there are people using them. The data shows that Quake3 has zero servers being used and 3-3 random dudes once a week play some actual DM. So the data you have is showing that YOU are wrong. I hope you get over the denial of defeating yourself in this argument, as it is an established fact now, that QuakeLive is vastly more than Quake3.

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vedic - Reply to #466

Multiple third parties have already verified that you are wrong. If you want to say that they are lying, you're free to provide evidence!

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #469

That evidence is in plain sight showing how you're wrong. You provided data that shows how wrong your own claims are. The fact is that 2-3 people play Quake3 on some lucky occasion on one hand, and on the other hand there is enough people playing QL to create a demand for hacked up servers playing which has real repercussions, and yet people are using that. So yeah, QuakeLive is vastly more anything than Quake3, and you have to have some deep psychological issues to deny what is in plain sight.

<< Comment #471 @ 18:35 CDT, 30 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #470

quakeservers.net is showing more than 150 concurrent players across just VQ3/CPMA/OSP/RA3/edawn. This isn't even counting servers that aren't announcing to any master server, or those who are running older versions. Quake 3 has between 1000-2000 players, at any given time.

I'm even willing to move the goal posts back for you to just those 150 players, which you claim to be the "real" Q3. I mean, it's still more than zero, which still destroys your distraction argument, but it's so insignificant that you should have no trouble finding a mere 150 illegal Q3 server players with which to defeat my argument.

You: 0
Q3: 150

<< Comment #472 @ 20:07 CDT, 30 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #471

That's not what its showing, it's showing much less. There are 3 players playing CPMA right now, 4 OSP. 150 is absolutely junk number you just pulled out of your ass. That is basically nothing, and no one plays Quake3 these days. Seriously, stop making up random stuff and look at the servers right now.

<< Comment #477 @ 14:59 CDT, 31 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #472

No, I'm going by quakeservers.net. At the time that I wrote the post, there were over 150 players across all of those mods/vanilla.

-Updated count-
Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #478 @ 20:23 CDT, 31 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #477

What you should be going is what it is really showing, and what any actual game browser is showing, which is first hand observational data overruling anything else any site is showing.

-Updated count-
Q3: 3
You: -150

<< Comment #479 @ 21:35 CDT, 31 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #478

What you should be showing is... anything at all. You won't, because you have nothing.

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #480 @ 22:40 CDT, 31 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #479

This is the absurdity of your denial. I don't want or can show you anything. I'm telling where the first hand data is, just open up the actual game browser and show yourself. This is vastly better than pointing fingers to any other party. So, QuakeLive is vastly more than Quake3.

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Q3: 3
You: -300

<< Comment #481 @ 00:13 CDT, 1 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #480

I've provided unbiased evidence, and you've provided flawed anecdotal observations. You wouldn't even accept that you were wrong when you were corrected, and now that the master server is back up, you can't even make up an excuse for why you can't see them. I'm still waiting for any actual players that you'd like to prove for the illegal server scene. Let's start at 1. Can you manage 1?

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #482 @ 01:15 CDT, 1 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #481

You've provided extremely biased and flawed evidence. I'm providing you with the source of the most original data. You wouldn't even accept the fact that it's not me whos providing anything, I'm simply telling you to look at this source yourself and the fact that your numbers are too high. Instead you're just denying, denying, denying.

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Q3: 3
You: -600

<< Comment #483 @ 01:23 CDT, 1 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #482

As you've been shown, there are more sources than just the master server, but even the master server now proves you wrong. Instead of arguing anecdotal evidence against anecdotal evidence, I've given you multiple third party sources. You have yet to address them, or provide any evidence at all for your position. Again, would you like to start with even 1? Just 1? Can you do that?

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #484 @ 01:44 CDT, 1 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #483

I don't need to be shown that there are more sources than master server, as I've told you multiple times that there are multiple server lists. All the sources, including your third party sources, where they provide some relevant numbers, all agree that there are 0 to 3 people playing Quake3 at any given time.

-Updated Count-
Q3: 3
You: -1000

<< Comment #485 @ 01:48 CDT, 1 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #484

Still refusing to accept third party data, but without ever actually proving them wrong? I suppose it's to be expected, since you can't even provide 1 single illegal server player. Go on, get just 1! Take the first step! You have 1 player, don't you?

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #486 @ 10:14 CDT, 1 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #485

Still don't understand that I'm proving any sources wrong every time I'm quoting numbers from the actual game browser people use when playing?

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Q3: 3
You: -5000

<< Comment #487 @ 14:49 CDT, 1 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #486

Anecdotal evidence it not sufficient, especially when you've attempted to defend your anecdotal evidence when it was proven faulty. It could be used to support other evidence, but you haven't provided any other evidence. You haven't even begun to provide any evidence for your counter-argument. Still can't manage 1? I mean, you're even trying to argue that Q3 is at 3, but you haven't even managed 1.

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #488 @ 14:56 CDT, 1 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #487

It's not anecdotal evidence when it is not an anecdote that I'm telling you. If you cared about the truth of the matter and not being in denial, you would directly observe it in the game browser.

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Q3: 3
You: -6000

<< Comment #489 @ 19:55 CDT, 1 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #488

What isn't anecdotal about it? It's your word against multiple third party sources. Unlike you (or me), they have no stake in this discussion. You've gone out of your way trying to defend proven faulty data, and have not provided any evidence for comparison to QL.

The sad part is that you can't even provide a single person. You're still at 0. Even ignoring 95% of Q3, and setting the bar at just 150 players, you can't beat it. You've even attempted to set your own goal post of "3", and you can't even match that!

-Updated Count-
Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #490 @ 22:29 CDT, 1 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #489

What's not anecdotal about it, you ask? Well, it's not anecdotal because it's is something you can directly observe, as I keep saying. Only someone in deep denial would keep ignoring this.

-Updated Count-
Q3: 3
You: -8000

<< Comment #491 @ 15:14 CDT, 2 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #490

Can you not even reach your own goal post of 3? You set it! If you're going to misrepresent the facts, you need to actually follow up on your argument. If you can't beat 3, what chance do you have against the real number of players?

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #497 @ 17:12 CDT, 2 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #491

I don't understand why you keep going offtopic about something I never argued. It must be part of your denial scheme, where you ignore the data. Have you downloaded and opened the game tracker yet to see the first hand data yourself, yet?

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Q3: 3
You: -16000

<< Comment #498 @ 01:53 CDT, 3 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #497

The argument has always been about the QL illegal server community, which you continue to try to defend. Would you like to give up on this argument now? I mean, it does look pretty bad when you have to lie to set your own goal post, without even managing to meet the bar that you have set. feel free to admit that Q3 has far more players than the illegal QL server community!

-Updated Count-
Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #503 @ 08:53 CDT, 3 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #498

This is truly fascinating, we're not talking about football or goalies. This argument has always been about how any community is bigger than Quake3, because Quake3 has no community. All I have to show is that Quake3 has no community. And all you have to do to see that, is to open up a game browser.

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Q3: 3
You: -30000

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vedic - Reply to #503

Do you need another reminder as to what the discussion is about? If you want to argue anything else, you'll have to find someone else to argue it. The discussion is strictly about Q3 against the illegal Q3 server community. My side of the argument is sourced multiple times, while your side is... well.. raging and trying to change the subject. Notice how it isn't working?

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #513 @ 20:23 CDT, 3 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #508

What's not working is your denial. You see, just because you keep repeating something, doesn't make it any more true. You have specifically said, and I quote:

1v1/TDM are both the vast minority in QL, too. Q3 is still wildly more popular.

Those are your words. Time and time again, I tell you how to witness with your own, non-anecdotal eyes, how Q3 is wildly less popular than anything, at all. Three people is wildly less than any other game in the universe, from minesweeper to donkey-kong, QuakeLive included. So please, for your own sake, open your eyes, and stop denying glaring facts starring you in the face.

-Updated Count-
Q3: 2
You: -30101

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vedic - Reply to #513

Clearly you are unable to understand my reply. I pointed out that 1v1 and TDM were always a minority, but it does not change the actual number of players. At no point was that ever an argument against QL as a whole. I would have made it more clear for you if I had known that you were arguing the wrong point at that time, but you didn't make that clear until later.

If you don't have evidence or an argument for the illegal QL server community, then you're in the wrong place.

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Q3: 150
You: 0

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #516

You are denying the clear intentions of your sentence. In plain language you state Q3 is wildly more popular. It's irrelevant more popular than what, because Q3 is not wildly more popular than anything.

If you are so deep in your denial that you are denying the true meaning of precise what you say, you are in the wrong place. The truly right place is probably too expensive, so you should work on defeating your inability to accept being wrong, you have to pick one of the two things you claim that contradict each other.

So, QuakeLive is wildly more anything than Quake 3.

-Updated Count-
Q3: 2
You: -70603

<< Comment #524 @ 19:05 CDT, 4 April 2012 >>

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yank3 - Reply to #518

hey guys, i'm doing a project for school and i need to know exactly how many players there are in quake 3 and quakelive right now. hope you can help me out.

thanks

2%

<< Comment #525 @ 19:11 CDT, 4 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #524

quake3: 0
quakelive: ~50 on east servers i see

Edited by Demiurge at 21:01 CDT, 4 April 2012

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vedic - Reply to #518

I know that you want to read between the lines to act as if QL is being persecuted, but it never happened. You're reading what you want to read, because the fragility of QL makes you so insecure. Even if you wanted to believe that these things mean what you want them to mean, I've already pointed out to you that they don't. Multiple times. I've linked you to the original discussion, and even quoted it for you. You have no excuse.

-Updated Count-
Q3: 150
You: 0

Edited by vedic at 18:10 CDT, 5 April 2012

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #528

Regardless of my insecurities and personal feelings, I am just stating obvious facts. By all measures, Quake3 is vastly less everything than everything, including QuakeLive. There is no need to beat around the bush and think up new ways to deny the obvious facts, although I see you can find plenty of excuses.

-Updated Count-
Q3: 3
You: -90210

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vedic - Reply to #536

You have yet to provide facts - just anecdotal evidence that has already been proven false. Even your own lies have changed from "0" to "3", without even providing so much as anecdotal evidence to support the illegal QL server community numbers.

I couldn't figure out why you were so jealous of these numbers until reading your other comment. You're only observing 50 players online in QL? I know the game isn't doing well, but I find it hard to believe that it's THAT far gone. I really hope that this is another example of you being unable to properly observe the numbers, because that WOULD put Q3 ahead of QL as a whole. Even 150 players must make you jealous, and the prospect of the ACTUAL number of players probably has you crying yourself to sleep. D=

-Updated Count-
Q3: 150
You: 0

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #539

Crying? I'm overjoyed from fun I've had today playing 5 tdm games, each within minutes of wanting to play. The numbers that I mentioned is what I just saw refreshing in the browser, which as you should know lists servers with similar skill rating in close proximity. If I thought it relevant, I would bring up that qlranks records about 30,000 duels a day, but it isn't, because even if I could find 1 dueler I can play, it would be infinitely more than Quake3 has to offer.

Anyway, repeating 'anecdotal' like a mantra isn't going to get you anywhere, because hilariously it's only anecdotal because you are refusing to lunch the game browser and see for yourself there are at most 3 people playing in the entire world. Quake3 is deader than dead, just get over it, and move on. Stop beating the dead horse with your dead stat sites and dead arguments propped up by baseless smoke castles.

-Updated Count-
Q3: 3
You: -90210

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vedic - Reply to #540

The metric you use for games you can play is based on your opinion of the game, not on the actual availability of people to play. As has been pointed out, Q3 has even more than 50 players who are playing VQ3/CPMA/OSP/edawn. Regardless of your dislike for instagib, freezetag, or other mods, it does not change the fact that they ARE Q3, and the actual number of players is much higher.

Your anecdotal evidence has been proven faulty, and trying to argue that it shouldn't matter is not going to change that. I've already given you multiple third party sources, on top of the now functional master server. If you'd like to claim that they are lying about their numbers, I'd love to see the proof!

Quake 3 is pretty dead compared to other games, but that does not change the fact that there are a few thousand players. Quake Live is a dead game, too. None of that was ever in question here. The only thing being discussed was the size of the QL illegal server community compared to the Q3 community. I've supplied evidence for the activity in Q3, but you haven't supplied any evidence for the activity in the illegal QL server scene. The counter is still waiting.

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #546 @ 09:55 CDT, 7 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #543

None of your third party sources matter. No one is playing Quake 3 deathmatch right now. Again, "anecdotal" is not a magic word. It's not my opinion. It's a fact you can verify if you open up the game browser. Quake 3 is vastly less than everything, including QuakeLive and QuakeLive illegal servers.

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Q3: 0
You: 0

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vedic - Reply to #546

I have verified that you are wrong. Third parties have verified that you are wrong. The only argument you have is your own word. There are a few thousand players in Q3, and at least 150 in mods that you can't even argue "aren't really Q3". Even when I am generous enough to only count those few, you still can't even provide a single one for your own side. Not even one.

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #552 @ 22:23 CDT, 7 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #551

You're just saying it, you haven't verified anything with anything. If you'd open the game browser you'd see there are zero players playing right now.

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Q3: 0
You: 0

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vedic - Reply to #552

You're just saying it, you haven't verified anything with anything. You know what, I have a better idea - let's use an unbiased third party to settle this! Oh wait, I already recommended that back at the very start, and they already disagree with you. Better luck next time.

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #554 @ 10:28 CDT, 8 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #553

I'm not just saying that, I'm making a direct observations, and I know that outside of some magic, you have to see the same. Third parties are irrelevant against direct observations.

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Q3: 0
You: 0

<< Comment #556 @ 21:10 CDT, 8 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #554

Third parties are directly observing. The only one observing something different is you.

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #557 @ 23:10 CDT, 8 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #556

Third parties are not directly observing. Only direct observation is directly by you, or me. I'm not the only one observing what I'm observing. And you are not observing anything different, you are refusing to observe. Have you tried the game browser yet?

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Q3: 0
You: 0

<< Comment #564 @ 20:22 CDT, 9 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #557

Third parties are directly posting the results of server checks. If you want to dispute those results, you'll have to argue with them.

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #565 @ 21:07 CDT, 9 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #564

I don't have to argue with anyone or dispute anyone, they are just irrelevant. What I'm directly observing is what matters. The same should be in your case. The fact that it's not, is unhealthy denial.

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Q3: 0
You: 0

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vedic - Reply to #565

I'm sure you'll never find something that you're purposely trying to avoid. No matter how much you want to argue that I'm lying/biased, you can't explain why all third party sources (that are even giving LIVE results!) agree with me. I'm giving you facts, and you're trying to attack them with your beliefs. I'm giving you multiple sources, and you won't even admit that they exist. You're like a combination of jamerio and raythenoob.

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #571 @ 09:55 CDT, 11 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #570

I'm not attacking any of your sources, and I'm not avoiding them. They don't even conflict with the direct observations. They're just less relevant in the face of it. The fact that you claim otherwise shows your refusal to even consider your own direct observations if it means there are no more people playing Quake 3 at a time than 3. If you would agree with this simple fact, you would make a huge personal achievement towards concerning your phobias.

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Q3: 0
You: 0

Edited by Demiurge at 09:56 CDT, 11 April 2012

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vedic - Reply to #571

You're saying that there are no players, and these sources are giving you over 2000 players. I was nice enough to narrow that down to just the players playing modes that you consider to be the 'real' Q3, and still gave you over 150 players. Hell, I even rounded down to 150. For the sake of argument, I've been more than generous. I've done this because I know that you won't even be able to top such a small number.

For several posts, you even moved the goalpost down to 3, yet you couldn't even provide evidence 3 illegal QL players. I see that you gave up on that when I asked you to even provide 1. I'm beginning to wonder if any exist at all.

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #576 @ 08:57 CDT, 12 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #573

You are so wrong about 2000. There are at least 100,000 Quake 3 players. The problem is that that number doesn't matter, as no one is playing at any given time and it's just irrelevant how many random people have tried the game at one time or the other. What matters is who's making up a community, and in Quake3, it's no one.

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Q3: 0
You: 0

<< Comment #577 @ 23:52 CDT, 12 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #576

No, there are anywhere between 1000-2000 playing at any given time. Are you having a hard time understanding this?

-Updated Count-
Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #580 @ 00:38 CDT, 13 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #577

No, there are not. Are you having a hard time confirming this by looking at the servers yourself?

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Q3: 0
You: 0

<< Comment #581 @ 23:20 CDT, 13 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #580

There most certainly are, and I've even provided you with evidence to prove it. Keep lying to yourself!

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #582 @ 00:16 CDT, 14 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #581

I'm pretty sure I'm not hallucinating or lying to myself. You, on the other hand, are refusing to look at the most important evidence there is. If that form of self-delusion is not lying to yourself, I don't know what is. Why are you having a hard time looking at the servers directly, yourself, without some weird websites that have nothing to do with finding a game?

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Q3: 0
You: 0

<< Comment #583 @ 22:33 CDT, 14 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #582

I've looked at the evidence. I've provided that same evidence to you. You're most certainly lying to yourself.

-Updated Count-
Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #584 @ 23:34 CDT, 14 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #583

Oh great, you've finally looked at the evidence! Why is your count not updated to ZERO? What am I lying to myself about?

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Q3: 0
You: 0

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vedic - Reply to #584

The count is not zero because there are not 0 players. The very least you can argue (if you only consider certain modes to be 'real Q3') is 150, but there are realistically over 2000 players.

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Q3: 150
You: 0

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #585

There are over 100,000 players. How many of them do you see playing right now, in an actual game browser one has to use to play the game?

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Q3: 0
You: 0

<< Comment #587 @ 05:24 CDT, 17 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #586

Accessibility has nothing to do with actual players. Please try to keep your arguments on topic.

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #588 @ 09:28 CDT, 17 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #587

Accessibility is not an issue or the topic, please stay on topic. The topic is number of players playing the game and making up the game community. The most accurate number is displayed by the game browser that accesses the game servers, third parties and ids, and that is what players see when they decide to play the game. What they see is zero players and zero community. So, in conclusion, Quake3 is vastly less everything than everything.

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Q3: 0
You: 0

<< Comment #598 @ 14:13 CDT, 18 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #588

What you see has nothing to do with the actual number of players, especially when you're just lying anyway. If you're hoping that saying it enough times will make it true, I hope you have a decade to keep lying!

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #599 @ 14:36 CDT, 18 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #598

What you see is the ultimate truth. If you don't trust yourself looking at the same thing you would have to look at if looking for a game, you have no reason to trust anything at all. Why haven't you looked yet? If you did, you would see that Quake3 is vastly less everything than anything.

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Q3: 0
You: 0

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vedic - Reply to #599

I have looked, and provided you external resources to back it up. Only you are claiming 0 players, and it simply isn't supported by reality.

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #605 @ 12:37 CDT, 19 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #604

Sometimes its 0, sometimes its 3. This is totally supported by reality, because that's what the game browser is showing. If you ever see a different number, you really don't. But if you are so deep in denial that you think you do, feel free to take a screenshot and note the time. Maybe I will use that time to attempt to play someone in Quake3 for the first time in years. Even if I do find someone, unfortunately there still won't be any Quake3 Community, and Quake3 would still be vastly less anything than everything.

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Q3: 0
You: 0

<< Comment #607 @ 18:24 CDT, 19 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #605

No. No time is it ever 0. The lowest I have observed was still over 1000, and the highest was over 2000. I don't see why you think that you can lie about the numbers when multiple sources all verify that you are wrong.

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Q3: 150
You: 0

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #607

LOL. 1000 as the lowest? That's a good one. If only it was above 3, I wish. Quite a boldfaced lie. Let me know when it hits double digits so I can really find a game, or take a screenshot or something, until then, you're just talking shit.

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Q3: 0
You: 0

<< Comment #611 @ 21:20 CDT, 19 April 2012 >>

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FlashSoul - Reply to #609

So will ANY of you both post a screenshot to back up his claims? Or are you gonna continue arguing for weeks with nothing but words?

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vedic - Reply to #609

We went over this already.

http://www.esreality.com/post/2251348/#pid2242987

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Q3: 150
You: 0

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #613

So basically you're talking shit, and there are 3 players playing at a time at most, so Quake3 is vastly less everything than anything.

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Q3: 0
You: 0

<< Comment #617 @ 11:32 CDT, 20 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #614

Feel free to refute the numbers in front of you. Are you going to accuse them of lying, too? Oh wait, you aren't, you're just going to ignore them. They won't go away.

-Updated Count-
Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #619 @ 17:41 CDT, 20 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #617

Yeah, it doesn't matter if they don't go away. What matters is that no one is playing Quake3 right now, besides 3 weird russians, which means there is no Quake3 community.

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Q3: 2
You: 0

<< Comment #621 @ 14:28 CDT, 21 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #619

You can't even keep your fake goalposts straight. Which is it? 0? 3? 2? Oh wait, it's none of the above - it's over 2000!

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #622 @ 14:32 CDT, 21 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #621

If I had to put goalposts on the minimal amount that is necessary to keep a Quake3 community, it would be at least 20 players you can play at any time. Unfortunately I'm seeing no more than 3 most of the time. It's plainly visible in the game browser. Keep making up your random zeroes, it's irrelevant to the reality, which is that Quake 3 is vastly less everything than anything.

-Updated Count-
Q3: -10
You: 0

<< Comment #624 @ 11:32 CDT, 23 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #622

Good thing it's over 2000, with over 150 that qualify by your absurd standards!

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #627 @ 13:14 CDT, 23 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #624

Bad thing its a 0! With zero over what qualifies by any objective standards!

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Q3: -10
You: 0

<< Comment #632 @ 08:49 CDT, 24 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #627

An objective standard would count the full 2000 - I was nice enough to bring it down to your unreasonable standards, and you still can't top it.

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #634 @ 09:06 CDT, 24 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #632

An objective standard would not count silly Russians because you can't play them anyway, but I brought it all the way up to 3. Yet this is not enough to make a community. Unfortunately Urban Terror players don't count either. So Quake 3 is vastly less everything than anything.

-Updated Count-
Q3: -9
You: 0

<< Comment #637 @ 12:20 CDT, 24 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #634

Who is capable of playing has nothing to do with the actual number of players. Keep trying to move the goal!

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #638 @ 12:32 CDT, 24 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #637

Who's able to play with whom is what determines the existance of the community! Keep trying to move the goal!

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Q3: -9
You: 0

<< Comment #641 @ 19:19 CDT, 25 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #638

It seems just fine for the current players. It's good that you're slowly acknowledging more and more players. Sooner or later, we'll have you actually discussing reality.

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #642 @ 00:37 CDT, 26 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #641

What are you smoking? LAN clubs don't count. It's not fine when you can't find a game online. There is no one to play. Get with reality.

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Q3: -9
You: 0

<< Comment #644 @ 14:45 CDT, 26 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #642

You're going to run out of excuses at some point.

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #647 @ 22:24 CDT, 26 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #644

I don't need excuses. I would gladly participate in the Quake3 community if there was any. Unfortunately there isn't any.

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Q3: 3
You: 0

<< Comment #648 @ 23:02 CDT, 26 April 2012 >>

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0x5f3759df - Reply to #647

STOP FUCKING BUMPING THIS THREAD PLEASE

<< Comment #649 @ 23:09 CDT, 26 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #648

Hey, it's not my fault Quake3 community is so dead.

<< Comment #650 @ 23:31 CDT, 26 April 2012 >>

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FlashSoul - Reply to #649

Isn't that completely off-topic anyway?

<< Comment #652 @ 00:18 CDT, 27 April 2012 >>

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0x5f3759df - Reply to #649

eu cpm ctf cup sunday, us duel league starting the week after. more duel cups coming up on the eu side as well.

I don't know what you're talking about =)

<< Comment #653 @ 09:06 CDT, 27 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #652

cpm is total conversion though, im talking about vq3

<< Comment #659 @ 18:07 CDT, 27 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #647

You've done nothing but make excuses, and moving the bar.

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #661 @ 18:15 CDT, 27 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #659

Do you know what an excuse is? It's something that excuses an existence of something. Quake3 community doesn't exist, so I can't possibly 'excuse' its 'non-existence'.

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Q3: -999
You: 0

<< Comment #664 @ 05:06 CDT, 29 April 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #661

You already admit that it exists, you just keep using the scotsman fallacy to try to discredit it. I've even obliged your fallacy, and still proven you wrong. Several other people have also proven you wrong, on top of a whole host of third party sources. The only thing that you've managed to do so far is potentially bring in to question if QL is even as big as Q3. You're really just sabotaging your own delusion.

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #669 @ 11:17 CDT, 29 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #664

You're not making any sense, as I've never admitted to the existence of the Quake 3 community. Why would I, if there is none? Delusional one seem to be you. You are imagining that Q3 community exists, or that UrbanTerror has anything to do with it, then you are imagining that it is comparable to QL. But the fact is, there are at most some 2-3 random guys playing at any time in some part of the world you can't communicate with. So Quake3 is vastly less everything than everything. This is what one call dead, nada. Does not exist in this universe. Time to wake up.

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Q3: 0.00
Y0u: 0

<< Comment #671 @ 12:39 CDT, 1 May 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #669

You have done so, multiple times now. You've altered what you consider to be a real player, and you've even adjusted your own count multiple times. You're on the defensive because you know that you are wrong. You made the mistake of replying to the wrong post at the start, with the wrong argument, and you've tried to save face ever since. It didn't work. I proved you wrong, third party server hosts proved you wrong, and even another person in this very thread proved you wrong.

The funniest part is that you depend on being wrong when your current game dies, and you'll probably revert into the same defensive fanboy for Q3 when you're stuck playing it again.

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #674 @ 16:43 CDT, 1 May 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #671

I have no idea what you're on about because the only thing I've stated from start is that no one plays Quake 3. Yes, I had to explain that UrbanTerror is not Quake3, and that 2 Russians are no one, because no one else can play them. Quake3 community doesn't exist because no one plays Quake3 deathmatch. I don't need a face to save, you do, because I'm not making outlandish claims using some shitty websites no one cares about. So you gotta stop with the denial and understand that Quake3 is vastly less everything than anything.

-Updated Count-
Q3: -0.00
Y0u: 0

<< Comment #675 @ 17:58 CDT, 3 May 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #674

Except when you said 3 people played Quake 3, but then you changed it to 0, and then back to 3, and then back to 0. You acknowledge these players, and then try to ignore them as "just some russians", which are most certainly players. You didn't even provide any evidence that they WERE russians. You have yet to respond to quakeservers.net at all, but it's no surprise since there is no excuse to be made.

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #677 @ 19:52 CDT, 3 May 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #675

I can see where they're from because it says RUS in the servername, or ping 300. Like I said, it goes up and down, 0 to 3. The point is that it doesn't matter, as it's nearly impossible to find a game, and effectively no one does. So Quake3 is vastly less everything than everything.

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Q3: -00.30
Y0u: 0

<< Comment #680 @ 22:28 CDT, 4 May 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #677

It's impossible to find a game if you don't look. A few are Russian, not all. You're referring to the CPMA results only, but forgetting the rest.

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Q3: 150
You: 0

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #680

That's a good point. That's why you should try and look. If you did, you would see there is nothing to look at. No one is playing Quake 3. Quake3 is vastly less everything than anything.

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Q3: +000.00
Y0u: 0

<< Comment #683 @ 03:10 CDT, 5 May 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #681

The screenshots below are with a real browser. Want to try again?

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #687 @ 09:42 CDT, 5 May 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #683

Try understanding that there are 0-3 non-bot, non-russian, actual players playing Quake3 deathmatch in the results. Try using a game-browser like Qtracker that shows you the mods and the players and doesn't cache players for hours, and you will see that no one is playing Quake3.

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Q3: 0
Y0u: 0

<< Comment #689 @ 20:24 CDT, 7 May 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #687

Feel free to prove that they are all bots (every single one) and that EVERY bit of evidence is actually false. I'm more than excited to see it!

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #692 @ 22:19 CDT, 7 May 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #689

I thought you'd never ask!

poof

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Q3: 2
You: 0

Edited by Demiurge at 22:21 CDT, 7 May 2012

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vedic - Reply to #692

Not only did you fail to prove your latest argument, but you accidentally showed more players than you're trying to lie about.

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #695 @ 10:01 CDT, 9 May 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #694

So, to summarize, I, not accidentally, completely intentionally, am providing proof for what I am saying. We have some Russian players, CPM players, and just 2 Q3 players playing. Yet you are so deep in denial you can't even parse a simple image. I'm sorry, but no matter how much you try to deny the basic facts, the fact is that Q3 is vastly less everything than everything.

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Q3: 2
You: 0

<< Comment #698 @ 23:17 CDT, 11 May 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #695

No, you're purposely hiding the servers, and ignoring what little you even have in front of you. How many people need to show you evidence to the contrary before you give up your lies?

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #699 @ 03:06 CDT, 12 May 2012 >>

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foctis - Reply to #698

PLEASE
STOP

BUMPING THIS THREAD

YOU

RIDICULOUS TWAT

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<< Comment #701 @ 08:56 CDT, 12 May 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #698

Well, now you're making it more obvious you're in denial. You can see perfectly well in the screenshot I am sorting the servers by populace, and I'm not hiding any servers. So Q3 is vastly less everything than anything.

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Q3: 2
You: 0

<< Comment #703 @ 23:44 CDT, 13 May 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #701

The screenshot shows an obvious attempt to shrink the window, and filter results.

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Q3: 150
You: 0

<< Comment #705 @ 23:53 CDT, 13 May 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #703

Well duh, why would I want to make you upset by showing 100 unpopulated servers? Like I said, it's sorted by populace, you can clearly see the scroll bar at the top. Stop clinging to this nonsense, open up Qtracker, and see the fact that you are in blind denial of, is that Q3 is vastly less anything than everything.

-Updated Count-
Q3: 2
You: 0

<< Comment #678 @ 09:36 CDT, 4 May 2012 >>

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kalston - Reply to #675

"You have yet to respond to quakeservers.net at all, but it's no surprise since there is no excuse to be made."

I checked that list, they all are OSP, CPMA, Defrag or Urban Terror servers, just like that other screenshot below. There's no true Quake 3 server and you're just wrong.

You can't play Quake 3 online and you can play on illegal QL servers, so yes Demiurge and p4r4 are right. Give up.

<< Comment #679 @ 22:25 CDT, 4 May 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #678

Sort by mod:

http://www.quakeservers.net/quake3/servers/so=11/

Did you even really look?

<< Comment #682 @ 00:44 CDT, 5 May 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #679

Try using a real game browser. You're like Jamerio who made his own banking site in Dreamweather to show you're richer than Bill Gates, quite pathetic.

<< Comment #684 @ 03:12 CDT, 5 May 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #682

I have. So did he. Unless you're having technical difficulties, you're lying.

Regardless of weather or not YOU can see them with your browser, there are clearly plenty of players, and it doesn't matter what methods they are using to play.

<< Comment #686 @ 09:38 CDT, 5 May 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #684

Wow, way to be in denial and not read my reply totally explaining the results. I am seeing exactly the same, but I know how to interpret the results. You don't want to see what's on the servers, do you? So much denial!

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vedic - Reply to #686

Your reply did not counter the results. At all.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #688

Wow, you're so in denial you don't understand English. Clearly I said those were not Q3 players. Maybe if I capitalize URBAN TERROR it would make more sense?

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vedic - Reply to #691

Q3 players

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #693

no, total conversion are not Q3, I'm sorry.

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vedic - Reply to #696

Those are not total conversions - those are VQ3.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #697

defrag, cpm are the bigger numbers. the numbers in those screenshots are exactly like my screenshots.

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vedic - Reply to #700

Are you incapable of looking at screenshots, too? FFA alone showed more than 491 servers, and more than 30 players on the single page he was viewing alone.

<< Comment #704 @ 23:49 CDT, 13 May 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #702

Do you know what mod CPM3A is from? What about .UA and RUS in servername?

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kalston - Reply to #679

Yep, even when sorting by mods most of the servers do run mods, including CPM, smoking guns etc. Have YOU really looked at your list?

There are certainly NOT plenty of players on baseq3.

<< Comment #690 @ 20:27 CDT, 7 May 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #685

There are roughly 150 players between VQ3/CPM/OSP/RA3/EDAWN. I never said it was huge, I just said that it was active.

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Venser - Reply to #622

Would take me 5 minutes to scroll through all full Quake 3 servers at this very moment

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Edited by Venser at 13:32 CDT, 23 April 2012

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<< Comment #629 @ 13:38 CDT, 23 April 2012 >>

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faerie_ - Reply to #628

Would take you 5 minutes to scroll through all the urban terror servers, not q3.

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Venser - Reply to #629

You're right. That's probably why the xfire number is so high.

There's still enough Q3 players tho.

FFA
CTF
Defrag
CPMA only

Edited by Venser at 14:31 CDT, 23 April 2012

<< Comment #631 @ 15:57 CDT, 23 April 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #630

From server names those are just some Russians playing FFA in some caffee, and you found a CPM pickup in progress as well as a CPM duel! This is also not Quake3. Neither is defrag.

-Updated Count-
Q3: -100
You: 0

<< Comment #256 @ 23:53 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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Anonymous (217.115.137.222) - Reply to #243

Sorry that I'm intruding but I've never seen such a silly argument before.
It's extremely easy to directly check popularity of Q3: just run Q3 and join actual games. That's it. You (or, rather, xfire) claim that there are 708 players in Q3? Go ahead, start Q3 and find those 708 players actually playing on servers, and immediately you will realize that xfire is nothing more than bullshit.

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vedic - Reply to #256

http://www.esreality.com/post/2235138/#pid2235138

<< Comment #279 @ 09:42 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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Anonymous (82.145.208.196) - Reply to #261

Read that post yourself. All it says is internal server browser is bullshit, which is true, but it doesn't give any credibility to xfire either.
The only true and direct test is to find the players on actual servers actually playing, not relying on some bullshit indirect statistical tools. What will you tell if I say to you that I wrote super cool statistical program that analyzed QL and counted that it has 1 billion players? You'd instantly say that my statistics is crap. Yet in similar case, you blindly believe xfire as if it was accurate. You want proof from everyone? Prove your own claims first.

<< Comment #197 @ 07:25 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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random99 - Reply to #181

Vedic is obnoxious troll with agenda and QL has more players than Q3, but you are wrong with this "xfire is irrelevant" stuff. Actually, server browser is irrelevant since Q3 master server went down. You cannot track player numbers through server browser anymore and that's why you are getting silly results like "zero people playing Q3".

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #197

you can, its using all the alternative servers, of which there are a number. it was knowing the master servers were gonna go down, plus the alternative ones were around for redundancy long before that.

<< Comment #151 @ 13:18 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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Xen_Crypt - Reply to #117

what about servers that do not appear on qtracker????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

<< Comment #152 @ 14:05 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #151

fuck, you got me

<< Comment #130 @ 04:18 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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vor_ - Reply to #75

What stats are these? I mean personally I played hundreds and hundreds of Q3 TDM games between 2006-2008, which is obviously within the last 6 years.

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gienon - Reply to #46

Would have gone.

<< Comment #69 @ 11:22 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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dansen - Reply to #37

some people on this site are supporting quake alot.
you on the otherhand, are showing nothing but disrespect for the likes of mementomori & others, aswell as all the cup organisers who spend their free time to set up entertaining matches in the game they like.

Edited by dansen at 11:23 CST, 5 March 2012

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obi - Reply to #69

He just seems to enjoy making these passive aggressive comments about quake. Even his "The truth hurts, it seems." remark at the end of the comment to me is just there to try and irritate me.

<< Comment #73 @ 13:14 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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dansen - Reply to #71

yeah

<< Comment #90 @ 23:21 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #69

Excuse me? I've shown tons of respect for Memento_Mori, as he's practically the only person on this site who actually does anything for the game. I feel sorry for him, because he puts so much effort in, and people get his hopes up by promising to help, and it never happens.

Where have I ever shown disrespect for cup organizers? You're completely misrepresenting my position on Quake as a whole. I have no respect for id, and no respect for people who refuse to look at the evidence.

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dansen - Reply to #90

but isn't BLC as dead as Quake?

QL just happens to be a good comparison. The truth hurts, it seems.

well you're right, you aren't disrespecting the people i mentioned "in their face", but rather indirectly through your comments (including the ones i quoted, as an example).

i think obi put it nicely by saying you were trying to irritate people with the "the truth hurts, it seems" remark.

for some reason, you are trying to create a negative atmosphere on this site, regarding everything quake. and that is the disrespect i am talking about. why not just let it rest, you know 95% of esr-regulars are quake players.

<< Comment #107 @ 11:48 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #104

That remark was not meant to irritate, but to emphasize that the statement itself can only be seen as "dissing Quake" if you are offended by the truth. It wasn't even meant to be an attack on Quake, but if you are ideologically opposed to the fact that Quake is dead, I'm sure it would seem like some kind of attack on your religion.

<< Comment #118 @ 13:23 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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dansen - Reply to #107

you're going around in circles doing the very thing you deny. but i guess you're doing it on purpose, troll.

Edited by dansen at 13:23 CST, 6 March 2012

<< Comment #125 @ 00:11 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #118

No, you just want to feel oppressed, so you have someone to blame.

<< Comment #132 @ 05:50 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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tourist - Reply to #104

yea, lets ban opinions.

<< Comment #154 @ 15:13 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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dansen - Reply to #132

not what i said

<< Comment #449 @ 20:21 CDT, 28 March 2012 >>

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bmes_ - Reply to #36

^ this

<< Comment #13 @ 06:51 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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koOma - Reply to #2

yup, LoL es #1 huehuehue

<< Comment #23 @ 08:44 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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ffx - Reply to #2

Isn't lol way much bigger and better than dota2?

He's working for blc and he loves quake so why not?!

<< Comment #24 @ 08:50 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #23

DOTA2 is still in closed beta, so they can't really be compared yet. When it goes live, it should be big competition for LOL.

<< Comment #25 @ 09:04 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #24

It won't as many of both DotA (2) and LoL players said in past interviews. Most of them see the two as completely different games who can't be compared to each other. I think both will co-exist pretty well, especially because Riot didn't give any hints for discontinuing their money-support for LoL and DotA 2 being sponsored mainly by other companies or investors. I find it extremely stupid to compare them since they both are fun but different in so many aspects...

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vedic - Reply to #25

I think the lack of a need to pay for heroes will pull a lot of people away from LoL.

<< Comment #28 @ 09:10 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #26

You can get most of the heroes without paying real money for them. And especially if you want to play competitively you will get only the heroes you need for playing your role in a team (a mid-player will never get Sona since she is support and absolutely unsuited for mid-play aso.).

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vedic - Reply to #28

It limits you early on from being able to properly respond to team picks, whereas you can just sorta jump in with DOTA2. From what we can tell so far, the only thing you will have to pay for is cosmetic stuff.

<< Comment #30 @ 09:15 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #29

We'll see but it's sure that DotA 2 won't make most of the LoL playes switch since it's whole mechanics are different and it's way harder to start playing (not even thinking about tha asshole-community DotA has and had over the past). If you started with LoL you probably won't switch since LoL offers you everything you need. New players however could go for DotA 2 instead because of the big hype...

<< Comment #27 @ 09:08 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #2

BLC isn't really dead. It's only non-existent in competitive gaming as we know it. But it has a great ladder-system and regular cups inside the game. There are many good players in it and it's way better than WoW Arenas. It just needs some more publicity and I think that's why 2GD wants to feature it in his show (he's the eSport Manager of the game after all).

<< Comment #83 @ 19:08 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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JCK - Reply to #2

BLC has US/EU 2v2/3v3 tournament every day with around 120 teams attending split into pro/pro-am/am. IT IS NOT DEAD FOSHIZZLE

<< Comment #95 @ 01:49 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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Xen_Crypt - Reply to #83

wow :o

<< Comment #131 @ 05:18 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #2

you are fine example of everything thats wrong with NA ppl...

i dont know your definition of alive game, but ql is not dead in europe for sure [dunno about BLC but i as read in this topic its quite active in EU too], no problem with joining ffa/ca around 2am, quite easy to find a duel game around 2am... tdm pickups are running till midnight... id say its quite active... yeah, its not SC2 playerbase, but lets not forget sc2 isnt 10 years old, and it got big promotion, unlike QL...

now please die in mcdonalds

<< Comment #133 @ 05:53 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #131

I'm sure you believe that QW or Warsow aren't dead either. Deal with it.

<< Comment #135 @ 06:47 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #133

tbh i got no idea, but if u dont have problems with finding pub game, i doubt they are dead.

If u would define what a dead game means to you it would be much easier to argue.

<< Comment #136 @ 07:04 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #135

"Dead"... as in next to no players, and no growth.

<< Comment #137 @ 07:36 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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ffx - Reply to #136

And? Ozy is right. Heck, you can even find some cas going on at 6am.

Btw. sc2 ladder numbers are declining too and seeing idra (the best american) not even being able to compete with top20 europeans I don't see a future for sc2 in america. What's your opinion on that :D?

<< Comment #148 @ 12:25 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #137

Starcraft tourneys are increasing, prize pools are increasing, and viewers are increasing. Where do you get your information?

<< Comment #139 @ 09:40 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #136

dunno if u know, but human being stops to grow around 20 years after birth... does it mean we are all dead? no, we can live next 60 years... growth isnt a way to measure how alive something is

<< Comment #141 @ 10:19 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #139

A human being is constantly growing throughout the life, an online video game isn't.

<< Comment #143 @ 11:33 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #141

its not... we're at the decline most of our lifes

<< Comment #172 @ 09:23 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #143

So you're the same retard you were at your 20 once your reach the age of 25. 30, etc?

If it works for you great.

<< Comment #174 @ 09:26 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #143

On the other fucking hand, A HUMAN BEING is not an online game, capish?

<< Comment #188 @ 16:20 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #174

human being like any product have its:

a) development phase
b) maturity phase
c) saturation and decline phase

<< Comment #147 @ 12:24 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #139

No, they don't stop growing. They stop gaining height.

<< Comment #149 @ 12:36 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #147

growing old is act of going back, not further developement

<< Comment #157 @ 01:14 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #149

... what?

<< Comment #160 @ 02:18 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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Xen_Crypt - Reply to #157

i think he means like decay

<< Comment #161 @ 03:44 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #160

good word... why the fuck i doesnt know it?

<< Comment #163 @ 03:48 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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Xen_Crypt - Reply to #161

cuz its mostly used for organic things, and you are a robot :o

<< Comment #164 @ 03:50 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #163

my database needs an upgrade?

<< Comment #165 @ 05:40 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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Xen_Crypt - Reply to #164

i'd like to upgrade your database

if you know what i mean

<< Comment #185 @ 16:11 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #165

i doubt u got the tool :D

<< Comment #190 @ 01:28 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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Xen_Crypt - Reply to #185

hahaha n1 xd

<< Comment #162 @ 03:45 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #157

So, now i proved how stupid you are[NA power], you gonna pretend you dont understand me?

After getting fully grownup, we live for short time at our peak, and then slowly start to decay, resulting with natural death at age of 80+

following ur logic, we are all dead in early 30s

Edited by Ozymandiass at 03:53 CST, 8 March 2012

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vedic - Reply to #162

You never "decay" until you die, and some parts of you will still grow for a while after you are dead. This has nothing to do with the conversation. Your argument is wrong, and your attempt at an analogy was terrible.

<< Comment #186 @ 16:16 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #166

1. ur wrong
2. i could use product lifecycle as example, but decided human being will be more clear to you, as i dunno if u have any economics/menagment knowledge
3. ql doesnt meet ur "dead game" requirements, as obviously there are still ppl playing it

<< Comment #191 @ 01:43 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #186

Dead game is a game with few players, that has no growth.

Search trends are declining: source

Website hits are declining: source

There are 3x more people visiting Team Liquid (which is only a forum) than there are people who play QL. That puts you at around 3k players, putting you on par with Q3 in 2008.

<< Comment #196 @ 05:52 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #191

As long as you can play the game and enjoy it, there is technically nothing wrong with it being "dead" according to your definition.

<< Comment #200 @ 10:08 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #196

For most games, that's true. For QL, it isn't - QL is completely reliant on id to host the game, and continued decline will result in the permanent end of the game.

<< Comment #204 @ 10:26 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #200

It is not reliant on id, as I mentioned somewhere else to you already, it is possible to run unofficial 3rd party servers.

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vedic - Reply to #204

Why would anyone go to the trouble of doing that, when it would be more trouble than using Q3? The only reason people use QL is for the centralized features, and QL without that is just Q3 with even more hassle.

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p4r4 - Reply to #266

As I also mentioned to you already, there actually exist several unofficial QL servers in places where there's too large ping to official ones, and people play on them instead of Q3.
And I don't really care if you believe this or not, and I don't care to prove this; just mentioning it to you so that you understand that your data is incomplete and you cannot make correct conclusions out of it.

<< Comment #289 @ 13:26 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #278

You obviously care enough about what I believe to try to tell me about it, so really, you're just spouting unfounded bullshit.

<< Comment #296 @ 21:25 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #289

I am not really telling this to inform you, I am just correcting you so that others aren't fooled by your biased data.

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vedic - Reply to #296

If you cared what others think, you'd provide them proof. You have none, because it does not exist.

<< Comment #303 @ 10:10 CDT, 12 March 2012 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #301

Remember, that you don't provide proof either.
And I provide just enough information so that someone who wants to make right conclusions, can find all the data. You, on the other hand, just ignore anything contradicting yourself, even though lack of proof means precisely lack of proof, not untruth, and if you were seeking for truth, you could at least make effort to check all my claims yourself.

<< Comment #216 @ 16:25 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #191

now compare sc2 to WoW,,,

sc2 is as dead as QL

Edited by Ozymandiass at 08:21 CST, 10 March 2012

<< Comment #220 @ 00:29 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #216

Compare SC2 to WoW... how?

<< Comment #227 @ 04:46 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #220

the same way u compared sc2 to QL

<< Comment #229 @ 07:57 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #227

Jesus, you are either dense or pretend not to understand.

Stop defending your position with such stupid arguments.

<< Comment #231 @ 08:20 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #229

stupid because i prove how wrong whiny bitches you two are?

also, its seriously not my fault im far more inteligent and open minded, compared to you two... you are not the first to not catch up to my perfect logic... dont worry, i learnt to live amongst morons...

Edited by Ozymandiass at 08:31 CST, 10 March 2012

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Nzr0 ' - Reply to #231

Someone please tell me I am not the only one seeing the jamerio in this one!

<< Comment #254 @ 17:58 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #252

jamerio is dumb fuck with ego crisis, unlike me

<< Comment #262 @ 05:21 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #254

you spelt "just like me" wrong.

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<< Comment #263 @ 05:59 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #262

haha very funny... now die

<< Comment #233 @ 09:29 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #227

Compare them... in what way? QL works through a browser, so we can see how many players the game has by checking the hits to the site. Your game has less players than TL has visitors.

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hitsu - Reply to #233

and u never came up with idea that ppl who dont even play sc2 visit it?

its like evaluating ql current state by esr stats =|

also i never stated sc2 got smaller playerbase than QL, so what was your point again?

Edited by Ozymandiass at 09:48 CST, 10 March 2012

<< Comment #237 @ 10:53 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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vor_ - Reply to #236

More people visit TL than play QL. Not hard to understand really, is it?

<< Comment #238 @ 11:02 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #237

what i said to this na moron + it doesnt mean QL is dead, just less popular than sc2?

<< Comment #239 @ 11:43 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #236

I'm sure some do, just as some of the hits for the QL site are just search engine spiders, misclicks, profile checks, etc... We're not talking about a slightly higher number of users for TL here, we're talking 3x more. Read that out: THREE TIMES.

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hitsu - Reply to #239

as i said: it means sc2 is more popular, not that QL is dead...

also, i got a feeling ur biased because NA sc2 scene is much bigger than quake one, while in europe its more equal, in favor of sc2

<< Comment #242 @ 13:22 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #240

SC2 is obviously more popular, but a forum for SC2 is three times more popular than your entire game. TL actively shows user numbers, and we know that QL has 1/3 the hits, so we can tell that QL is currently as big as Q3 was in 2008 - that is, dead.

<< Comment #255 @ 18:00 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #242

and we can state that sc2forum is not even comperable to world of warcraft number of subscribers, meaning its a dead game

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vedic - Reply to #255

That forum has 7-10k users online, at any given time. It's a forum, not a game - it should never be "active" in that way. Yet, there are more people who want to just discuss SC2 (and only really competition) than there are people who want to play QL.

<< Comment #264 @ 06:07 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #257

Doesnt change the fact sc2 is dead compared to World of Warcraft...

im getting tird of this conversation, its like talking with a wall...

<< Comment #265 @ 06:29 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #264

So now you give up your argument, because you know that QL is dead. Lashing out at me, or other games, doesn't make QL any less dead. There is nothing that you, or anyone else, can do about it.

<< Comment #267 @ 06:42 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #265

So now you give up your argument, because you know that SC2 is dead. Lashing out at me, or other games, doesn't make SC2 any less dead. There is nothing that you, or anyone else, can do about it.

<< Comment #268 @ 06:58 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #267

See? The truth hurts you, and you try to lash out, but nothing has changed. QL is still dead. You're now in the second stage of grief.

<< Comment #269 @ 07:26 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #268

See? The truth hurts you, and you try to lash out, but nothing has changed. SC2 is still dead. You're now in the second stage of grief.

<< Comment #270 @ 07:36 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #269

You'll be angry about this for quite a while, but I assure you, it will pass. The fact is, the game just isn't a big enough deal to have a lasting impact of grief.

<< Comment #271 @ 08:40 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #270

You'll be angry about this for quite a while, but I assure you, it will pass. The fact is, the game just isn't a big enough deal to have a lasting impact of grief.

<< Comment #274 @ 08:47 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #271

Now you get it! Say it again: The game isn't a big enough deal to have a lasting impact of grief!

<< Comment #277 @ 09:02 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #274

Now you get it! Say it again: The game isn't a big enough deal to have a lasting impact of grief!

<< Comment #280 @ 10:22 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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Nzr0 ' - Reply to #277

Behavior like this will get you on santa's naughty list.

<< Comment #281 @ 10:27 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #280

[img1]http://www.truecraftmc.com/images/And-not-a-single-fuck-was-given-that-day.jpg[/img1]

<< Comment #288 @ 13:25 CDT, 11 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #277

Fantastic! You might just skip straight to acceptance.

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hitsu - Reply to #288

Fantastic! You might just skip straight to acceptance.

<< Comment #299 @ 02:38 CDT, 12 March 2012 >>

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vedic - Reply to #291

Well, maybe not.

<< Comment #317 @ 04:54 CDT, 13 March 2012 >>

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tourist - Reply to #186

yea I mean product cycle and economics are sooo hard to understand. Im sure a tech guy/programmer could never grasp such advanced concepts.

Edited by tourist at 04:55 CDT, 13 March 2012

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #135

"tbh i got no idea, but if u dont have problems with finding pub game, i doubt they are dead."

soldier of fortune 1 has some public servers going now and then.

<< Comment #144 @ 11:39 CST, 7 March 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #140

some, and constant pubbing experiance are 2 quite different states

<< Comment #173 @ 09:24 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #144

Fine, there's always someone playing Team fortress Classic.

<< Comment #187 @ 16:18 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #173

i dunno about Team Fortress current state

<< Comment #230 @ 08:12 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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davis - Reply to #173

Can't speak for europe, but TFC pubbing is pretty alive in america. Not crazily so, but enough to where you can usually pub it at any hour of the day.

<< Comment #3 @ 01:06 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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h8m3

2 G D
G
D

Would be nice if Techlabs Cooller-Cypher Showmatch on 18th is the 1st broadcast, hurry up James!

Edited by h8m3 at 01:08 CST, 4 March 2012

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<< Comment #5 @ 01:36 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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aeoL

2GD2BeTrue

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<< Comment #6 @ 02:14 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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Xen_Crypt

beware the ides of march

what was the soundtrack? last song was niiiice

<< Comment #7 @ 02:53 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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Joker_

2gd, just buy id software, tell 'em to make quake 5 with ladder system like sc2/stream functions/server browser like in ql/anything awesome and dont let the to fail with it and you will get rich dude. Really, quake can be more popular than any game.

<< Comment #8 @ 02:54 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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Joker_

But i wonder, whyhe doesnt commentate now with Joe in IEM/ESL? WCG and so on?

<< Comment #10 @ 03:16 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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amOKchen - Reply to #8

My guess would be because he is not part of ESL anymore :D?

<< Comment #11 @ 06:15 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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kK_Storm

OMG IM SPRAYING CUM EVERYWHERE!!!!!

<< Comment #12 @ 06:16 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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kK_Storm - Reply to #11

This ad/trailer/whatever is fucking aaawesoooome!

<< Comment #32 @ 19:34 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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toggl - Reply to #12

it's a teaser

<< Comment #15 @ 06:55 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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koOma

Hi

<< Comment #16 @ 06:56 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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koOma - Reply to #15

Hey, how are you? :)

<< Comment #17 @ 06:57 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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koOma - Reply to #16

I'm good, thx. Who are u again? :|

<< Comment #18 @ 07:01 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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cerb0z - Reply to #17

Together you are too good? :<

<< Comment #19 @ 07:05 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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Joker_ - Reply to #17

Like russians would say: "u tebia zestokaja shiza"

Edited by Slawyer at 07:05 CST, 4 March 2012

<< Comment #20 @ 07:29 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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cerb0z - Reply to #19

"Shiza po zhesti"

<< Comment #22 @ 08:09 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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Yellack

\o/

<< Comment #31 @ 19:31 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #22

\o/

<< Comment #33 @ 19:50 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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mcdaddysandwich - Reply to #31

\o/

<< Comment #34 @ 20:39 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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foctis

\o/!

<< Comment #35 @ 22:15 CST, 4 March 2012 >>

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Leth4L

Twitch.tv you say? Interesting, I vaguely recall watching some dude make pro tip videos and streaming from that very same site. Not sure about his name, was it you? IT WAS YOU!! OH MY GOD......................asdfsdgh

<< Comment #40 @ 00:21 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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Mitritch

No QuakeLive support?

<< Comment #44 @ 03:04 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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Fargold - Reply to #40

Watch 1:12 again.

<< Comment #67 @ 11:04 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #44

you have to admit it's hard to notice at first

<< Comment #77 @ 15:15 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #67

what? its the first game that gets mentioned

<< Comment #81 @ 18:54 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #77

Well I didn't see it at first, probably because it was the first one and was half unexpected and I didn't take it in... and I was rather tired, and when the video finished I was about to comment on the lack of QL when I said to my self:

HEY NOW WAIT JUST ONE DARN COTTONPICKIN MINUTE

It was around this time that I suspected it could have been the first one, as I vaguely remembered some kind of circular image, but I didn't relate to it as I subconciously noted it was lacking in a 3D effect that all the others have.

Forgive me!

okay so I was stoned, you got me D:

<< Comment #79 @ 15:53 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #67

Not sure if trollin or retarded...

<< Comment #82 @ 18:54 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #79

its the latter.

<< Comment #42 @ 02:12 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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BlaD3

Let's wait and see before getting all excited.

<< Comment #43 @ 02:23 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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Xen_Crypt - Reply to #42

[-]

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<< Comment #50 @ 06:05 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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foctis - Reply to #43

\o/

<< Comment #78 @ 15:33 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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yank3 - Reply to #43

:D

<< Comment #45 @ 03:12 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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limity

YES NO FUCKING LoL

<< Comment #51 @ 06:45 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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scowl - Reply to #45

NO FUCKING LOL YES

<< Comment #68 @ 11:04 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #51

NO LOL FUCKING YES

<< Comment #74 @ 13:17 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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sharpe - Reply to #68

LOL FUCKING YES NO

<< Comment #84 @ 19:32 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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mcdaddysandwich - Reply to #74

FUCKING LOL YES NO

<< Comment #85 @ 19:50 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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foctis - Reply to #84

No fucking, yes? lol

<< Comment #63 @ 09:37 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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Six16

Can't wait :)

<< Comment #64 @ 10:52 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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butcher_kgp '

This has the potential of becoming the top gear of the esports world :D

<< Comment #80 @ 16:56 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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esdf '

quake been dead since 2002. now it's walking dead apparently.

<< Comment #86 @ 21:47 CST, 5 March 2012 >>

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CAREEM

wow, cant wait :)

<< Comment #93 @ 00:06 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #86

RIP :(

<< Comment #97 @ 06:08 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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mcdaddysandwich - Reply to #93

?

<< Comment #100 @ 09:39 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #97

He can't wait, but there is no other way, so logically I assumed that he committed suicide.

<< Comment #102 @ 10:28 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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mcdaddysandwich - Reply to #100

good thinking

<< Comment #103 @ 10:33 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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lukee - Reply to #100

hahahah

<< Comment #96 @ 02:01 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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terrorhead

RESPECT THE PACO

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<< Comment #333 @ 10:39 CDT, 14 March 2012 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #96

god i miss GTV spam :<

FU LOBSTER

Edited by Aquashark at 10:40 CDT, 14 March 2012

<< Comment #338 @ 17:13 CDT, 14 March 2012 >>

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terrorhead - Reply to #333

same :(

<< Comment #98 @ 06:45 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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SIHdW3W

almostly

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<< Comment #99 @ 07:58 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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cha0z_

\o/

<< Comment #101 @ 09:53 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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ffx

2gd might explain why the fuck they implemented gems and amulets in blc. I re-installed it yesterday because we finally found a third player and I saw that grind shit. Turning blc into wow ...

<< Comment #105 @ 11:18 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #101

They are way less important than equip in WoW and not that costly...

<< Comment #115 @ 12:45 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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ffx - Reply to #105

So what? It's still shitty compared to how it was?! A difference is a difference but I guess funcom took a look at lol and thought hey why not make some more money with retards buying custom skins and gems ...

<< Comment #120 @ 13:36 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #115

Skins are something for people who want to spend money on them because they want some fancy stuff to stick out of the crowd, but gems are something you've got to buy trough ingame-currency, so you basically earn them by playing a lot.
They make your bloodline more unique and alow for a more personal playstyle, but I guess you simply don't understand that...

Keep playing whatever "super balanced and pro game" you play :).

<< Comment #122 @ 14:13 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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ffx - Reply to #120

so you basically earn them by playing a lot.

That's the flaw because I don't want to play x hours for a fucking item.

They make your bloodline more unique and alow for a more personal playstyle, but I guess you simply don't understand that...

Shadowmourne took a lot of hours to attain and it made your warrior unique. It also allowed for a more personal playstyle xDxDxD Tunnel till target x is dead.
Maybe you'll understand know why I don't like it.

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<< Comment #113 @ 12:30 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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Kastor

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!

2GD!

<< Comment #106 @ 11:42 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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Venim

I'm interested! :D

<< Comment #114 @ 12:42 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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r1ddler

....gooo ooooon.

<< Comment #123 @ 16:13 CST, 6 March 2012 >>

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filo

... besides vedic being a tottal dick about dead games again (attention whoring and replying to every post like fudge)... i like this news ... thank god for GD motherfucking entertainment :)))

1 question .. will slasher ever be a guest on GDMFE :>>

<< Comment #182 @ 10:50 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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aeoL

Who's giving more to the Quake Community, 2GD or Fatal1ty? You decide!

<< Comment #189 @ 16:38 CST, 8 March 2012 >>

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foctis - Reply to #182

Who;s giving more to the quake community, 2GD or a bag of potatoes? You decide!

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<< Comment #195 @ 02:57 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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0x5f3759df - Reply to #189

a bag of ~~rice~~

<< Comment #210 @ 11:30 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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fragv - Reply to #195

a bag of ~~gamerfood~~

<< Comment #198 @ 08:18 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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palatka - Reply to #189

hey thats not fair, both paries must be aware that they are in competition

<< Comment #207 @ 10:42 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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KitesAreFun

Whiskey > Vodka

<< Comment #215 @ 16:09 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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Anonymous (82.124.45.38) - Reply to #207

sex, health > any drugs

<< Comment #214 @ 15:10 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #207

US Whiskey (Jack Daniels and the other shit) definitely not (compared to good russian one, not the western crap of course) but if it's scotch whisky (like Jonnie Walker) then definitely yes!

<< Comment #246 @ 14:07 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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EmSixTeen - Reply to #214

You know whiskey with an e is of higher quality than (scotch) whisky, right? That's the whole reason we (the Irish) added in the e, to differentiate from the low quality Scottish whisky.

Plus, we've the oldest licensed distillery in the world @ Bushmills. Sick.

<< Comment #249 @ 14:37 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #246

I only wanted to point out that the US-Whiskey is worse than vodka, while Scotch Whisky is definitely superior. I didn't have the pleasure to drink (Irish) Whiskey untill now so I can't say much about it's taste and quality but it might be better than scotch, altough I myself don't really enjoy any of them. I'm more of a Gin guy, but one or two glasses during an evening can be great. This is not the case with Tennessee Whiskey, you can barely drink that shit mixed with some coke but even then it tastes shitty as hell.

On a side note, tough the difference between Whisky and Whiskey is only a language one, Whiskey is used in Irish and American English and Whisky is the Scottish English.

<< Comment #253 @ 16:24 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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EmSixTeen - Reply to #249

The etymology of the difference in the spelling of the word is because of what I said.

.. and yes American whiskey tastes like shit.

<< Comment #304 @ 11:37 CDT, 12 March 2012 >>

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Leerno - Reply to #253

No love for bourbon?

<< Comment #311 @ 16:31 CDT, 12 March 2012 >>

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EmSixTeen - Reply to #304

Bourbon is fucking pish.

<< Comment #218 @ 23:27 CST, 9 March 2012 >>

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mkeiy

Gotta love how terrible this site has become. A thread about new sports related content gets hi-jacked by vedic and demiurge and their retarded argument.

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<< Comment #223 @ 01:42 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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frs - Reply to #218

no thread is safe from a vedic hi-jack

<< Comment #325 @ 16:05 CDT, 13 March 2012 >>

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w0nk0 - Reply to #218

the best part is how vedic talks about people not contributing anything interesting, in a thread which people found of interest that he promptly hijacked.

<< Comment #331 @ 08:25 CDT, 14 March 2012 >>

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frs - Reply to #325

i've never seen a more obsessed basement dweller than him. he will reply with seemingly intelligent, yet incoherent drivel that's beside the point, constantly shifting the argument to something else after he's been beaten to get the last word in until the other poster just gives up in bafflement and leaves, because there's no point discussing anything with him. its like a different version of raythenoob

insert endless vedic replies below

Edited by frs at 08:27 CDT, 14 March 2012

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<< Comment #343 @ 22:08 CDT, 14 March 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #331

Well let's see then how long he and I can keep that stuff going...

<< Comment #359 @ 06:39 CDT, 17 March 2012 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #331

vedic's life ambitions

total number: 1

primary (and only): to convince other ppl that ql is dead

lifetime achievements: currently 0 (but ask again in 10 years. Judging by ql’s decline over time, he might have convinced someone by that time)

<< Comment #390 @ 20:02 CDT, 18 March 2012 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #331

So true :)

This is probably the best example on the site showing what he is like... Hung and Strung by me of course.

http://www.esreality.com/files/misc/2011/8203...d-liar.swf (CLICK THE .SWF to read the thread)

I made a habbit of leaning on him for about 6 months after that and the harder I pushed him, the easier it was to expose him :)

http://www.esreality.com/files/misc/2012/8540...s-coll.swf

You need to treat vedic like a condom, have a bit of fun with it and throw it away before it leaks everywhere and gives you AIDS.

<< Comment #224 @ 02:17 CST, 10 March 2012 >>

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drink.more

rakia >all

<< Comment #353 @ 06:56 CDT, 16 March 2012 >>

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Yellack

2 days to go \o/
\EXCITEMENT/

<< Comment #358 @ 05:50 CDT, 17 March 2012 >>

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Fargold

Awesome.
Lets hope for nice games with many overtimes.

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<< Comment #384 @ 13:46 CDT, 18 March 2012 >>

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ischju

VOOOOOOOOODS

<< Comment #388 @ 15:16 CDT, 18 March 2012 >>

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mic

as a quaker AND sc2 player, this is the best thing in e sports, ever. if you read this 2GD, i <3 u

<< Comment #389 @ 17:23 CDT, 18 March 2012 >>

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mar- - Reply to #388

Sucks that they probably will show LoL most of the time then :(

<< Comment #391 @ 22:40 CDT, 18 March 2012 >>

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Oaki_Duke

just got done watching the quake showmatch, everything is looking really great so far. gj GD studio

<< Comment #402 @ 20:09 CDT, 20 March 2012 >>

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Anonymous (2.248.168.146)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6eqa850P1I

<< Comment #405 @ 12:29 CDT, 21 March 2012 >>

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blackqueen

Looks pretty meh. But was that Alan Rickman in the end? haha. precious .

<< Comment #458 @ 16:07 CDT, 29 March 2012 >>

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Sujoy

Screw you guys I got a shout-out in the meeting.

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<< Comment #459 @ 16:32 CDT, 29 March 2012 >>

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buzek - Reply to #458

just because you offered him esreality.com/2gd as a website address though :)

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nemecel

ql is dead competitive wise and djWHEAT will always be a better shoutcaster. Facts of live.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #504

Both of the "facts of live" are wrong but ok ;)

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nemecel - Reply to #505

Nope, thats why they are facts.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #506

That's how the situation really looks like:

2x DreamHack
1x QuakeCon
1x UGC

, per year. Plus:

Weekly Zotacs
Weekly JeeSports
HoQ Team Leagues
Shitloads of ESL Cups
The Arena Online Tourneys
Possible LANs at The GD Studio
Impressive Gaming League Duel & Team Tourneys
etc.

, that's far from dead competitive-wise.

As of the djWHEAT > 2GD thingy, it's merely your own opinion. 2GD is found to be much more funny and entertaining than WHEAT and he doesn't hav such an anoying voice.

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Naghokez - Reply to #507

Don't forget more knowledgeable about the game.

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ffx - Reply to #507

Wheat might not be the most knowledgeable caster out there but he's probably on of the better play by play casters and no his voice is by no means annoying. Rather one of the better caster voices
It's not like 2gd is flawless and is knowledge sometimes bases on the past imo. Shit every time I hear "avek best plasma, tox best player ever" etc. I cringe a bit. Nonetheless he's without a doubt the best ;)

<< Comment #522 @ 15:21 CDT, 4 April 2012 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #521

Play by Play maybe WHEAT is one of the best, but overall 2GD is juts epic. Also I like WHEAT myself, altough he went traitor lately.

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wormed - Reply to #521

Yea, when I want a play by play caster, I want him to simply tell me what I'm seeing with my own two eyes.

...not. 2GD > wheat. Not even an argument for Quake players.

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ffx - Reply to #523

Where the fuck did you read that wheat is supposed to be better than 2gd? Learn to read ...

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FlashSoul - Reply to #526

Comment #504, sir.
"djWHEAT will always be a better shoutcaster"
Reading is overrated, isn't it?

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kalston - Reply to #527

You replied to the wrong person.

Edited by kalston at 03:25 CDT, 6 April 2012

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #531

Nope, he replied to the right one, since ffx asked where wormed read something about djWHEAT being a better caster than 2GD.

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kalston - Reply to #534

Ups, nvm, I thought he meant that ffx said that.

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dansen - Reply to #521

its good to give players a personality, even if its just "best plasma ever", making every plasma frag he manages a little more epic

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ffx - Reply to #555

Mhn I just dislike it same after every sc2 game "LOLOLOL BEST FUCKING PVZ EVAAA" :/

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dansen - Reply to #560

i know wwhat you mean with starcraft, another example would be:
"and these two players are SO SO SO good"

but i just find attributing best pg to avekk isnt that off, same as saying cypher has highest damage output and awesome rockets, strenx having awesome shaft, killsen having good rail and so on.

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nemecel - Reply to #507

So what? djWHEAT stopped casting Quake because no one gives a fuck about Quake in the pro sense of the word. Casting for some shitty online tournaments gets old and he has now a child to feed and SC2 delivers way more money with real professional circuits.

Also 2GD has the typical know-it-all english wanker voice that I cannot stand. djWHEAT kicks ass and I wish there was real Quake tournaments (and not just one big lan per year or less) so he would come back to Quake.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #567

1st: There are more than one big tournament per year.
2nd: I didn't say that him making money off SCII is bad, if he's good at comentating it (and he is) it's fine with me (I even watch SCII casts from time to time).
3rd: 2GD simply has good English while WHEAT speaks simple american English (and nothing you say will change the fact that US-English is just a poor abomination of real English).

<< Comment #569 @ 07:59 CDT, 11 April 2012 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #568

1st: two?
2nd: ok
3rd: too bad he sounds like a wanker

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dansen - Reply to #568

why would us english be inferior to british english? whether a language sounds eloquent or not depends on the speaker.

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #591

American English is dumbed down British English. It has dumbed down structure, vocabulary and syntax. Yes it often depends on the speaker but here it's really just the language. Not saying that Americans can't express themselves in a adequate way, but compared to someone who speaks perfect British English it's just not on the same level.

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dansen - Reply to #592

you're comparing cockney british english slinging literature professor from oxford to redneck trailer trash NRA activist from louisiana.

the main difference between the two languages is that people from britian are 400+ years of language developement ahead of americans.
the result of which being that britain has been exposed to migration from european mainland moreso than america, hence having beeng strongly influenced by german, french, and mainly skandinavian language culture.
that might also be the reason why british english sounds nicer to someone from germany.

Edited by dansen at 09:59 CDT, 18 April 2012

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #593

1st: I'm not comparing a literature professor (who would speak Oxford English which is even more over the top than normal BE) with a Gangsta from NY, Bronx ("Yo Dawg I heard ya like aso..."), I compare things like British TV English with American TV English or normal middle-class speakers from both countries. If I would compare a working-class Pakistani from London with a Student from Harward the AE would sound nicer aswell. You have to compare even levels of language.

2nd: I totally agree, Britain has 400+ years more developement and that's exactly why BE is superior to AE.

3rd: I'm not from Germany, German was the 2nd language I've learned. My main language is Russian, but I can speak Russian/German/English/French pretty well :).

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Xen_Crypt - Reply to #594

WTF? PROOF!

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dansen - Reply to #651

what do you mean?

<< Comment #656 @ 12:53 CDT, 27 April 2012 >>

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