dont do it. pick a sens between 20 and 40 cm/2pi, no accel.
pick a fov between 90 and 100, same for every weapon.
never change.
... profit

I thought all the top players used accel.

No accel=retarded

only listen to this guy if you want an inability to rocket properly, 15 cm per 360 is pretty much a must without accel for anyone wanting to rocket well, hell, even with accel its still ideal

Mouse accel is the way to go!!

don't think so, no
noctis/fox, maybe some others too would use different fovs/zoomfovs, and some players different zoomsensitivities perhaps, but i don't know anyone who changes his base sens for specific weapons.

i know alot of good players who do this. i dont since i cbf making individual configs for all the diff weapons

I forgot who inspired me to use different sensitivities for each weapon but mine is something like this:

bind e "weapon 3;cg_drawGun 0;cg_drawcrosshair 8;m_pitch 0.018;m_yaw 0.028;cg_crosshairSize 65;sensitivity 1.1;cg_fov 105"

bind f "weapon 7;cg_drawGun 0;cg_drawcrosshair 8;m_pitch 0.018;m_yaw 0.0245;cg_crosshairSize 80;sensitivity 1.0;cg_fov 85"

bind q "weapon 6;cg_drawGun 0;cg_drawcrosshair 8;cg_crosshairSize 120;m_pitch 0.022;m_yaw 0.021;sensitivity 0.77;cg_fov 98"

bind r "weapon 5;cg_drawGun 0;cg_drawcrosshair 8;m_pitch 0.021;m_yaw 0.022;sensitivity 1.25;cg_fov 121;cg_crosshairSize 73"

fox :]

yep that's fox, I downloaded his config on random when I was starting to playing QL that's how I play ever since :)

yes, that's him! thanks for the memory boost :)

NecrogeddoN did it (by utilising FoX's config though :DDD )

Did you just say NecrogeddoN?! Is he still around?

Sadly not :( After he moved back to Maryland from Vegas about a year ( 2 years ?) ago, he can only be contacted through twitter and facebook. Although he did drop an album recenly wih his death metal band, Dehumanation just a week back lol.

I meant that NecrogeddoN was one of the first people using the complex fov, crosshair and sens options for each weapon, way back in 2006. (and in e-) :D

Of all the US ank people I only really hear from digit regularly cos of irc and even then it's just a 1-2 sentence exchange which normally goes like this:

[21:57] <@di[g]it> wheres crapbringer
[21:59] <@ShadyAK> in poland

Although me and you sometimes run into each other on QL chat, twerpy on skype oh and shark on facebook lol.


How are you by the way? :DDD

different pitch and yaw... interesting

I just wanna know if someone using that got far on this game, since i sometimes wonder if its good for consistency

Different crosshairs, fov, sens, accel for some weapons might help, yes.

I'm shitty aimer, but those settings help me a lot; e.g:

bind 1 "weapon 5;cg_fov 110;sensitivity 2;cg_drawCrosshair 2;cg_crosshairSize 41;cg_drawGun 2;cg_gunZ -5;cg_gunY -0;cg_gunX 10"
bind 2 "weapon 7;cg_fov 85;sensitivity 1.8;cg_drawCrosshair 2;cg_crosshairSize 41;cg_drawGun 0;cg_gunZ -5;cg_gunY -4;cg_gunX 10"
bind c "weapon 1;cg_fov 110;sensitivity 2;cg_drawCrosshair 2;cg_crosshairSize 41;cg_drawGun 2;cg_gunZ -5;cg_gunY -4;cg_gunX 10"
bind e "weapon 8;cg_fov 110;sensitivity 2;cg_drawCrosshair 13;cg_crosshairSize 48;cg_drawGun 0;cg_gunZ -5;cg_gunY -4;cg_gunX 8"
bind q "weapon 4;cg_fov 110;sensitivity 2;cg_drawCrosshair 2;cg_crosshairSize 41;cg_drawGun 2;cg_gunZ -5;cg_gunY -4;cg_gunX 10"
bind r "weapon 3;cg_fov 110;sensitivity 2;cg_drawCrosshair 2;cg_crosshairSize 41;cg_drawGun 2;cg_gunZ -5;cg_gunY -4;cg_gunX 10"
bind z "weapon 2;cg_fov 90;sensitivity 2;cg_drawCrosshair 13;cg_crosshairSize 48;cg_drawGun 0;cg_gunZ -5;cg_gunY -4;cg_gunX 10"
//messing with lg
bind MOUSE2 "weapon 6;sensitivity 1.7;cg_fov 90;cg_drawCrosshair 13;cg_crosshairSize 46;cg_drawGun 2;cg_gunZ -5;cg_gunY -4;cg_gunX 10"
seta cg_trueLightning "1" //cg_gunY -3, cg_gunZ -7 //cg_gunX 10 cg_gunZ -10;cg_gunY -7

why do you use binds for that?

seta cg_weaponConfig_rl "cg_drawcrosshair 22; cg_crosshairsize 37"
seta cg_weaponConfig_pg "cg_drawcrosshair 29; cg_crosshairsize 37"
seta cg_weaponConfig_sg "cg_drawcrosshair 29; cg_crosshairsize 37"

these commands actually dont need you to push a button, but also work while watching demos, speccing and so on.

holy shit.
are you a wizard

somehow I didn't know about those commands :D

was watching stermy's stream the other day and noticed him not using the commands either, i thought there might be a reason to prefer binds, but i couldnt think of one.

i personally like the 'correct' timing of the settings-change; like if i press my rl bind, the crosshair doesnt change immediately, but only when the weapon is actually in use.

that is also the only thing i can imagine anyone holding against the commands, matter of taste i guess.

also, thank id, i think the settings were introduced one or two patches ago.

Most people don't pay much attention to the changelogs; they just whine or don't whine.

The configs are premium only, are they not?

i wouldn't know.

yeah

Does this mean, you're only able to use these cvars if you have a premium account? Or what do you mean?

That's what I mean.

Awesome!!!!
Did look for such commands the last weeks but couldn't find anything. Even when I asked other users they told me the only way are binds. Will try it after work when I'm at home!
Thank you for that!

seta variable use this value only inside the procedure, so after exit sens get restored to the original values, got it right?

SETA wrote to q3config.cfg in q3 so I assume it's the same in QL. What you are thinking of is SETS, SETU or just plain SET.

Regardless if something similar to activeAction or autoexec exists in QL that allows automatic initialising of a cfg, it's a moot point.

Fraze does. I don't think it would impact your game much once you got used to it.

Fraze has recently converted back to normal and has the same sens for all his weapons.

Good to hear, I wouldn't fuck with settings like that. :S

My LG is a lower fov and sens :P

Only when zoomed for me.

yea, fox did, in general people have been doing this since qw (to my own surprise). oh, and krysa does aswell :)

quake without accel = boring

I know has fox had diff fov's for weapons (fazz too irrc) but I don't know about sensitivities. I'd just stick to one to be honest.

since fox used different zoomfov's based off of a base 90 cg_fov, the sensitivities are slightly different for each weapon. it's not enough to be a huge deal, but they're not consistent

i tried different fovs for different weapons and ended up quitting after like a month. the thing that bothered me most about it was how it affected my movement. specifically my ability to clip corners. ur depth perception changes with fov and i kept hitting corners at lower fovs. not to mention i found that after a while my aim numbers pretty much returned to normal.

I only use lower fov for rail, everything else is good ol 105. And you dont go around running with a rail so.

Plus it's not like you had aim that was worth a damn to begin with. :P

i am so hurt that anonymouse doesnt think my aim is good. o wait ......

I only use different sens for rail and lg, because if they aren't lowered they're worse than they already are. I find that it helps, and for me personally it only took a few days to adjust, now I don't even notice it.

same sens
same fov
same crosshair
no accel
switch on scrollwheel

He said top players, not some ctf noobs

TCHIKABOOM

Don't forgot cg_bob 1

And -mlook. : D

haha.

I now a fairly decent player who does it and his aim especially with rg and lg is pretty :OOOO lately. No pro tho :D

:< i use very different on all guns, lg is 4.51 sens 0 accel, rail is 5.3 and .1 accel, and rockets are 6 sens .1 accel, zoomfov for lg (which i use 95 percent of the time when lging) is 80 and rail is 60. also everything else is by my rocket launcher sens/accel, i think the onyl thing it can have an impact on is movement but most of ur movement is done with rl anyway so i dont think it really makes too much difference, and my movement with lg out is almost as good anyway

i think whatever suits u, tbh if u think of any player, very very few excel with all guns and to do so a different sens could help, think strenx has good rail and shaft ofc but rockets somehwat lacking maybe to do with low sens rather not just naturally not great with them whilst im sure some people are good with rocket rail but shit with lg cause theyre sens might be a bit high, ie why not have the best of both worlds!!! i wouldnt say my aim was like top level cause ofc its not but its not bad and defs hasnt been limited by the different sens/accel

Or you can just chuck on nudge so it aims for you.

*rimshot*

I HEARD IT KINDA AIMS 4 U

I just made that joke bro.

shut the fuck up with this shit

uNkind had very low sens with accel and had world class rocket and rail.

10 years ago? doesnt match up to todays standards ;P

the guy was a natural, give him 2 weeks practice and he could make cypher sweat, give him 2 months, new zotac king

isnt he fucked up by drugs anyway from what i heard, no way he could, thats like saying fatality would come back on own but in reality he wasnt even good back then just everyone was shit haha

no, because fatality wasn't a natural, he had to practice a metric shitload, and the last I heard he (unkind) was at university, not fucked up on drugs :/

heh maybe im thinking of someone else idk ;P either way natural or not, if he was truly amazing naturally hed have won more than he did, i rkn most players who didnt play q3 back then wouldnt have heard of him, but everyone knows fatality etc

He was basically top 5 in the world while active... wcg 2002 anyone?

this will be a weird way to explain it, but for me, fatal1ty is a first generation quake 3 player, unkind a second generation player.

the difference being, that if you watch a demo of one of the finals faatal1ty won back then, you'll wonder wtf the guy is doing half the time because it's either stupid or way surpaassed, not to mention the aim (not enough experience and too bad mice).

if you watch a quake demo of 2002(when unkind was good) today, you'll still see awesome strategical play and might even enjoy the way he twitches his mouse and magically hits rockets from across half the map against a dodging opponent.

they didn't have timenudge back then

they sure did.

would explain their bad aim tho

Thought it would of been the ball mice. D:

nah IME 3s

unkind was more entertaining to watch than cooller along with being better, I want him back.

lexer the best \:(/

cooller came back and won an iem european championships, and achieved lots of podium finishers.

Zero4 and czm also did and showed they are still contenders for LAN tournaments, and, to be honest, both shit on you.

lol? the fact u add in the last bit shows u sir are a fuckhead, ofc they are better than me u cockhead. that doesnt change the fact that cooller has basically never stopped, a 1or whatever year or maybe 2 break, is nothing compared to what 5+ that unkind has (probably even more) and even so he did not do that in like 1 week or whatveer the other dude is claiming, also when did zero4 do well at any lan ever in ql? oh wait he hasnt ;P also look at czms recent matches m8, what is it 4 months off and hes losing to dudes who havnt got a clue how to play the game. i think ur truly wrong if u think some random dude who wasnt even as good as czm in his prime is gonna come back and not get raped yet alone make cypher sweat in a month or whatever

your posts will truly make you ashamed of yourself when you read them in 5 more years.

also, I specifically replied to the part "but in reality he wasnt even good back then just everyone was shit haha ". I gave some names, out of many many more, and you went mental.

so what ur saying is people cant improve? haha ofc when the games new some players will be the best but in reality compared to the players of today or the more like the current skill level of today, the skill level back then was shit. ie unkind would get ravaged if he made a comeback... what 9 years later? ;P cooller and z4 etc are much better now than they were.... if u watch some games from back then u literally lol that they were the best at the time..

that's not the point (#37). Thing is old top players get used to the game and to its current level quite fast.
If you check some LAN results you'll see literally dozens of more examples, both in duel and team based gametypes.

The game has not evolved as much as you think, and in the end fps dueling is not that complex nor that difficult to be impossible to start playing again if you know the basics, have some raw skill and are used to its speed.

no, what players have come back and actually won anything? none. think of fox making a comeback with team unbeatable and fucking it up for them (no offence to fox ofc) look at cooler? the fuck has he won? one iem europe back when he played a bit, nowadays hes losing to killsen b4 he even makes top 4.. and hes better than unkind ever was and hasnt had a break of 6 + years or whatever. point is 6 years and ull have no idea what ur even doing not to mention q3 and ql are a bit different, + hed have only ever played 1-2 maps anyway so other than those would be rape if not all the maps would be rape

fox had greats matches at that lan. He didn't held his team back besides only 2 or 3 maps, which is something that happens to everyone, and in the end he placed top4 in QL just like other retired quakers did, or made huge upsets like zamuz and tox.

yeah, cooller just won a small tournament no one cares about, maybe a cup in an island isolated from the rest of the world. Also there's no shame in getting eliminated by a dreamhack champion.

and the achieving first place comparison is rather unfair since in QL rapha (trained by zero4, who learned from thresh) and cypher (who's major influences were cooller, unkind, lexer and other old school russian players) won 90% of the game's duel tournaments.

they won with winz and won again after with winz, yet he didnt cost them.. ;P and also lemme guess if thresh made a comeback hed do well lmao. cooller has never won a comp that raphas been to and fucking never will, in fact in the iem wins particularly the 2nd one, rapha beat him easy. if u truly think someone can come back from a 6 year break and actually do well, u are delusional

edit, also killsen won gamescon not dh afaik.. with no cypher. how can someone who only knows dm13 and aerowalk (unkind) do well vs someone who has been playing and knows all 5 maps in the pool.. answer he cant

no one said they could become world champions, especially if they weren't at their prime.

Thing is they can get used to the game quite fast (3 months) and destroy 99.99% current duel players, with only the exception of the top16 best in the world. Some of them did that comeback and even better, and all of the said players can easily eliminate you from a LAN tournament even without practicing for months (cooller, zero4, tox, fox, zamuz, etc.), so could fatality, unkind and lexer after getting used to it.

Of course the game has evolved both in players skill and gameplay, but not that much to be considered a different activity all together. In the end the very same players dominate the scene in terms of being top3 of their respective country, with the only exception of strenx.

and it's pretty much notorious we disagree on what's doing "well". By your conception rapha and cypher are the only good ql players, lol.

bring on fatality unkind and lexor is all i can say and ill teach em how to play ql. let alone what a very good player would do to them.

you know that's not going to happen, but you can still try against cooller, czm, zero4, tox, zamuz and fox, who all came back from retirement and had very solid performances in QL. Can't remember more players though.

It's safe to say none of them have been defeated by an Aussie at a LAN tournament and that they never will. Same goes for any other returning legend that outperformed them in the past, if you give him 3+ months of practicing before the event.

lollll check iem mate, dandaking >czm haha mate u have no clue, so stfu please

also ventz played vs zero4 and took a map and in reality should have won another to take the victory. skill level is skill level regardless of where we are born/play, the skill level in aus is no different than europe, only there is more players. think of any single country, and very few have any more than 2-3 decent players..

not gonna search every tournament, but fact is czm finished in 4th place at the last quakecon after being inactive for more than 5 years. You could play constantly for 10 and still you aren't going to achieve a top8 spot.

The second example is a defeat.

lolll u have 0 clue what skill level im at so why are u bringing it up again.. if rapha was saying exactly what im saying, would u be argueing that to him? no u wouldnt.. yet if u were not argueing about the players to him then your not decided on ur thoughts on the matter and therefore are either a fuckhead, or trolling me, or both. if rapha and cypher said to u, all those players uve named could come back and would get raped by anyone good, what would u say? ud prolly not even comment u gutless cunt

obviously I would since he was trained by zero4 and they both learned lots from the players you are throwing shit at. Same goes for cypher.

and again, I gave more than enough examples of players who did exactly that but you don't get it. I'll try one more time: give a former world champion or contestant 3 months of practice (and improvement it has to be said) and he will be top32 material, which is pretty good.

? im top 32 material.. its not exaclty a large community yet ur throwing shit at me, quit changing ur story and stick to a valid number that the player needs to be to have a succesful comeback, im saying he will play any of the top 5-6 and it would be rape rape rape.

yep you still can't get it's way different doing something for 10 consecutive years than quitting and picking it 5 years or more after. I also gave you 6 examples of people who did exactly that and somehow you don't get it.

anyway, I think I won that e-argument since at LAN you don't stand a chance against those 6 players/examples, therefore I hereby declare it my absolute victory. If you want to continue have a word with jamerio, who'll consider that dandaking defeat against zero4 as a victory, or vedic, who'll say quake matters shit and that you should learn how to write before knowing how to play videogames.

and if you want to prove me wrong, even though I already provided many examples, defeat one of them at a lan tournament, even better if it is cooller, zero4, czm or tox. All of them retired from the scene and came back after years, and it's safe to say they can defeat you with the screen turned off while playing with one hand and using a NES controller.

u wouldnt have a clue cunt... regardless of whether theyed beat me which is even debateable as they dont play (some of them guys) and also i never even said dan lost to zero4 as he didnt.. so how bout learn to read b4 u talk to me cunt, anyway we need look no further than aus itself to see, we have a player who im sure some oldschool very knowledgeful player (lol) such as urself would have heard about in python.. he still plays, and was ok back in the day, so surely someone without a break would do better than someone who has, yet i highly doubt hed beat me.. either way ur just bringing my skill into this for absolutely no reason... it doesnt matter than i could/couldnt beat them, the reasoning behind this whole argument was it was stated unkind would make the top players sweat withing a month or whatever which is ludicrous, any player from back then will do really well with their solid 20 lg and 25 rail lmao

Anyone who has seen fraze play knows he is VERY good. Avenger you should just es tee eff U

Well he wouldn't be the first good player with idiotic opinions.. zomg timenudge hax

lol this is nothing like the timenudge situation, there is actual proof of what timenudge does and does not do, and no such proof of my theory being disproved or prove, im open to the idea of people coming back and doing well to the level where if it truly did happen id eat my hat. lol where as with the timenudge what strenx says is completely wrong and i doubt he knows the physics and theory behind timenudge

I would say python is better than you at duel mate. Thats if he actually played with any once of seriousness.

EDIT: and look at all his international placings in quake 3.
http://www.4seasonsgaming.com/q3intduel.php#inthistory

Chacha = Python

???? who gives a flying fuck whether hed be better 'if he tried' lets just say that rapha wouldnt be the best or cypher, if everyone in the world had played as much as them right? so stfu and quit trolling me cunt

also how would u know, apparently skill comes into these opinions, so urs would obvs mean absiolutely nothing.

I would imagine rapha being a lot more humble about his ego.

where have i stated anything about my own skill u fuckhead?

also u have no idea how good/bad i am so i dont know why ur even bringing me into this... im a better player than u, but im not bringing in ur own skill level into this... this is opionion, a guy who has played 10 duels ever can state what im stating yet it doesnt make their opinion based on facts any less.. lets see any of them boys make a comeback and finish top 2 wait it wont happen. also yes i do think cypher and rapha are clearly a class above anyone else. top 3 is all that pays money, anything else is a failure from any player.

also fox and zamusz etc.. what can they play? 2 maps, i think something ur struggling to realise is that they only know 1-2 maps in any pool and even then they are out of prac so would prlly get raped on by anyone decent at them anyway...

How did Z4muz become 2nd at DH Winter 2009 when he only knows 2 maps?
He came back after years of inactivity and e.g. beat Stermy on t9. So I really don't think learning new maps is that big of a deal.

he knew atleast 4 of the maps and prolly he only needed to learn one map... not 3 or 4.

Sorry to intrude. I haven't read you guys' whole discussion, but I saw this comment of yours and felt like replying.

Saying that Fox is a one map wonder (or 2) is simply just wrong. The guy is a duel and TDM legend and was never considered someone who could only play a few set of maps, but more likely dominate every single player in the world on every single map.

Hell, he has even played every Quake title since Quake 1.

i dont mean one map wonder i mean right now hed not know every map, sorry for any confusion

Ah okay.

To reply there aren't really any new maps in the mappools :D. If you take a look at the Zotac map pool for an instance only battleforged may be a problem, but even that map is an old q3 map.

I don't get how you talk about all this with so much authority and confidence after pubbing for a few months with a few mid-high skilled euros

ah another fuckwit bringing my skill level into it lol can u read? quit trolling me noob. also if were bringing skill into it, why are any of u even commenting when id beat u easily. skill level has nothing to do with what im saying.

also spartie and fazz are better than fox zamusz.. i srsly think u have no clue about ql, go back to q3 though and we will all be better off ;P

of course they are, but they never really retired. And please learn to use this site before posting.

Hei bring respect for Cooller.
He is old. He started to win 10YEARS AGO, and he is still one of the best, actually.
And he is a brain player.
Think about how strong he could be if only he would be younger.
No, Cooller is one the stronger ever, and its true, old demos are clearly less refined than the actual one (not all, really), but go watch what he did in 2002/2003: he won matches only collecting tons of items, being always in the position and with the timing right to do damage and interfere with the enemy's moves, and DON'T USING RAILGUN, while people like toxic, czm etc. keeping alive only because of this.
Some matches are absolutely crazy, often going like this: player x starts, collect some item, the hitscan weapons, and start to weak the running cooller, in every situation possible; at the half of the match, with scores like 6-0, player x died, too much weakened by the enormous rocket spam from cooller, that at this point is controlling the 75% of the major items, and often the entire map.
The match finishes with scores like 9-7, with coller never touching the rail, or always missing.
The times have evolved, and now he is a good aimer, too; with good mouses and the right training techniques, he would surely have been even much stronger.

And don't forget that he developed many of the cfg's tricks that have been lated used by so many pro.

He has been an absolute pioneer, and he is era-less.

It's not a case that the stronger actual (and smarter) players, Cypher and Rapha, have so much respect and admiration for him.

The first time i saw this smile

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was in a rapha's match, and i tought he invented it.
Later i've seen that smile in a cooller q3 demo, from 2002.

Its still evolved more than you think. :P

"when did zero4 do well at any lan ever in ql?"

#2 at quakecon 2008 :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QuakeCon#2008

08? might as well be playing q3 ;P hehehe

"but in reality he wasnt even good back then just everyone was shit haha " That one made my day. You can't compare two different games. vanilla quake3 and QL has so much differences, it was a lot harder to hit in Q3 back then, I'm not even talking about ball mice. Unkind played competitivly when Quake had it's prime time, with 10 times bigger playerbase than now, and he managed to reach the top and win WCG, so more respect for him, guy would rape again with a little pracc, that's for sure... : )

loads of people think such things, why do u rkn fatality (who was better than unkind anyway <or achieved more> doesnt play anymore) if he thought he could win im sure he would ;P also if u say there is so much difference in the games, surely theyed struggle even more?????

Well Fatal1ty made a comeback in Q4, and managed to succeed...

He probably smoked a joint once and now he's "fucked up on drugs" lol

more like meth and stuff, from what i've read on esr over the years :d

no way, when cooller raised unkind almost never won over him, and now cooller being in top form hes hardly top3

Sadly a lot of people share this idiotic opinion.

The truth is when you have someone who during their game era rose to the absolute top they can often do it again.

Fatal1ty was top in early q3, but he was also successful in q4, avp2, painkiller, and unreal tournament 2k3. Why would anyone think that he could not adapt and play QL at the top level if he adapted throughout the years to get on top of all these different games?

Also really their opponents did not "suck" back then. If you were to get transported back in time to these tournaments and sit there in an actual game you'd be surprised how difficult it would be to actually win. Humans are adaptive: they will do what is necessary to solve a problem and your special style from the future is not going to turn their world upside down.

see thats where ur so wrong its ridiculous, if rapha went back in time i think he could win every tournament he entered for atleast the first 5 years of the game. the same can be said for games like broodwar where if flash went back hed still to this day be undefeated lmao

I'm saying that players from the past do not automatically suck, and that top players of the past can come back and own again.

As for rapha (absolute top player) going back in time sure he might win, but after the first tournament or so people would learn and adapt and be of a much greater challenge.

I think your motivation here is that you are just arrogant and would like to think that you are automatically better than players of the past, but the truth is that it is not so easy. Just think 6 years from now someone will look back and say "wow that Fraze guy was trash he played when no one knew how to play for shit. He probably thought he was at least an intermediate, poor guy."

Whereas in reality, the game hasn't changed that much that a talented, experienced player is totally lost.

nah, the game has developed, watch finals from back in the day, they dont even strafe jump often and cannot hit anything with the lg/dont time items. i think that even a player of my level (obv not the best by any means) would have a tough time losing any comps back then.

link me one serious final where they don't time and strafe, you are getting ridiculous...

the legendary fatality everyone. does he even have silent walk bound? and why does he has lg bound with his magnificent 20 percent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW_s7vgipus

im glad we cant see how bad the other guy must be haha

Ye, he obviously doesn't time and strafe...:) Would be so much fun to send you back in time to these events, and see you get raped by these "shit" players. :D

lollll he was horrible, i was actually laughing while i was watching that haha if u think that play was at a good level, then why are u even talking to me here, quit trolling me noob

If you were playing back then you'd be some complete random shit nobody, who would be aiming, moving and timing far worse than what were the absolute best at the time. So what if you're better right now, it's thanks solely to the pioneering of the game by past top players who were constantly developing the way the game plays, it's unbelievably pathetic how you look back at the past and insult them. Funny how you insult their aim as well, I'll just assume from this that you never played baseq3/OSP, rather than it being another completely retarded comment.

lolll im not insulting them.. how about read an argument b4 u comment fuckwit, im saying the greats of today aka cypher rapha would fucking own them guys, why must all u noobs bring my skill into it always lolll

Why must you type like a total fucking spastic?

how come you don't realize that whatever skills you (or: we as a scene) possess are largely built on what these people found out about the game? yea, the game evolved, but it only did so because of people like unkind and fatality on whose skillsets we all thrive on today.

arguments like x player of generation y would rape player z are useless. you apparently have no idea of how big quake used to be and how many good players there were at the top.

there's simply nothing today to compare to what we once had in terms of overall skills. mind you, this is not an argument for the unkind back then being better than the cypher of today, which would be ridiculous, but merely one for the fact that unkind had it much rougher than players these days, including you.

i dont get why everyones bringing me into this, my own skill has absolutely nothing to do with this. u agree that its ludicrous, but im not saying that one player was 'more dominant' than another (although i dont see how the ammount cypher and rapha have won doesnt prove that they are the best 2 of all time ;P) im saying playing at their top levels, vs anyone at theire prime from 2005 or whatever, it wouldnt even be fucking close. and u cant dissagree

i don't disagree, all i'm saying is that the comparison makes absolutely no sense. you can not know what a player like unkind would be able to do would he have continued to play. i disagree on the notion of rapha and cypher being the best ever, they are dominating a much smaller scene with a much declined overall level of skill.

i didn't intend to attack you, i could've said the same about almost everyone today, except for the few who have been around the top for ten or more years.

Someone who hasn't touched the game for over 6 years will never ever even come close to cypher or rapher. At least not in a short amount of time. He has a point and I don't get it why so many argue against it. I can't think of any comeback in any sport/game where the guy was back at the top after a couple of years of retirement.
The game is totally different from back than and evolved alot over the years. Speed, timing, hitbox etc. Eg Czm was able to keep up with some good players but he never had to play either k1llsen/cypher/strenx and I bet 100 bucks that those won't lose a single game vs him if they are in form just because their combat skills are at least two levels above him.

no, his point was that the players of today would own the players of back then and i didn't disagree, but the comparison makes no sense.

later he posted this about a fatality match:
he was horrible, i was actually laughing while i was watching that haha if u think that play was at a good level... do you actually agree? i doubt that :d

he is wrong, plain and simple. people back then didn't suck, they were at the top of a different skill pyramide and while doing so they were owning a much larger group of people. that's something you can't say about neither killsen nor strenx (who btw, both have been around for ages and pretty much did 'suck' in comparison to unkind and cooller back then).

ya people back then were def better.

as u pointed out because there was a larger playerbase. So a bigger pool of potentially better players. tons of skill 90-100 players.


To some ignorant folks, because of the fact that also meant there were also more sucky players, they might think the top players were worse back then. but they are mistaken.

RA3 was popping way back in early 2000-2001. the real early players didn't slum people off servers.

They looked for fair challenges...thats what being competitive means, and thats the whole reason there was way more people.

But then cs 1.6 got big in the colleges and everyone switched...hacking was getting prolific in quake...and the community in cs always seemed much better.

with better admins with fair play mods...like autokicks for team kills.....autobalances based on team scores....admins on microphones......things like that made the competitive people leave quake and go to cs.

as i said competitive meaning....equal fair challenges for more competitive matches.

playing people more then 20 levels higher then you....is not the only way to get better....and is not as fun.

your absolutely right...even if they were once pro and didn't play for 5 years?... it might take them like 6 months ,at leas,t to get back to top form.

im only an avg player takes me longer to warm up..took me 2 years to back to top avg form haha. skill 65-75...

alts stick out like sore thumbs....I assume they were all banned already.

cause i'm not naive enough to believe, anyone who was still playing q3 before ql came out, just heard about this game now. And are already skill 80+....its ridiculous and not common sense.

other gaming communties don't need demos to ban manipulative and dishonest players....why does quake?

alts are worse then bots..... team stacking alt account slum lords....faking their skill matches to drive newbs from the game.

what is wrong with you id.....

and if you tell me nothing can be done about it.... I say you should lose your job and find another line of work.

Because by using cell phone numbers or credit cards, NOT paypal.....(good for you id fk paypal's hacker heaven) you can stop the majority of alts man. Thats all thats needed.

ID bans like a champion ban machine....but now the majority of the playerbase left in the game....are the people they ban. haha.

This is a new age id...stop being scared and do something about it...it will work.....i guarantee it.

Have you ever played vq3/OSP?

yes i have, not much though say about 70 duels?

I have to say you chose a pretty poor example to argue your case. He he clearly strafe jumping around and using the same concepts we have today like spamming and timing items. Though I have seen maps where he hasn't even strafe jumped at all and no silent walking etc. But ya, I agree that the game has evolved because how long have they played quake 3 for before that tournament? Not long and they came from quake world etc. where its more about rocket spam etc.

I can understand where you are coming from and I do agree with you, but you are also talking a lot of crap as well haha. But I also agree with everyone else here.

You do realize that the game was only just released as this game was played?

yeah but it doesnt matter he asked to find a game like what i descibed and tbh i found way worse ones just cbf postng them

He's obviously timing the mega and strafejumping in this.

watch the one i linked at the bottom. its embarrasingly bad

I don't get you, I thought you were arguing something along the lines of that if fatality would come back now he would take years to catch up because the gap between the game when he played and the game now is too big. And then you proceed to link videos where he barely played 1 year. Check the videos of him playing towards the end of his quake3 'career' like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q45bSALiVBI. Does that still look like a completely different game to you where people can't strafe jump and aim?

Shut up with Fatal1ty.
You should clean your mouth before talking of him.
We all know how much strong he was.
We love and respect him for being a pioneer, for his total dedication, for his winning will, for his hard working day after day, for his approach to the electronic sports, absolutely uncommon expecially at that times.


He did for quake series and mostly for the e-sports way much more than the programmers itself.

And you don't consider how much tension, pressures, nerves, and excitement there was in the glorious finals you missrespected.

first of all in both ur posts i cant understand most of what ur trying to say, but ill pardon that as obviously english is not ur first language. second of all, im not saying that fatality at the time was shit compared to the rest cause ofc he was the best.., im saying fatailty at that level now would be raped, and if u say other wise ur worng ;p

mind writing some values or, perhaps, a cfg link with all the important details (dpi, yaw, etc)?

think u didnt mean to reply to that comment.. but as far as im aware the link on my quake live profile will take u to my cfg.. not too sure how good it works though so here is the weapon scripts


set gtmouse "sensitivity 6.00; cl_mouseaccel 0.1; set currentmouse vstr gtmouse"
set mgmouse "sensitivity 6.00; cl_mouseaccel 0.0; set currentmouse vstr mgmouse"
set sgmouse "sensitivity 6.00; cl_mouseaccel 0.0; set currentmouse vstr sgmouse"
set glmouse "sensitivity 6.00; cl_mouseaccel 0.0; set currentmouse vstr glmouse"
set rlmouse "sensitivity 6.00; cl_mouseaccel 0.1; set currentmouse vstr rlmouse"
set lgmouse "sensitivity 4.51; cl_mouseaccel 0.0; set currentmouse vstr lgmouse"
set rgmouse "sensitivity 5.30; cl_mouseaccel 0.1; set currentmouse vstr rgmouse"
set pgmouse "sensitivity 6.00; cl_mouseaccel 0.0; set currentmouse vstr pgmouse"
set bgmouse "sensitivity 6.00; cl_mouseaccel 0.0; set currentmouse vstr bgmouse"
set ngmouse "sensitivity 6.00; cl_mouseaccel 0.0; set currentmouse vstr ngmouse"
set mlmouse "sensitivity 6.00; cl_mouseaccel 0.0; set currentmouse vstr mlmouse"
set cgmouse "sensitivity 6.00; cl_mouseaccel 0.0; set currentmouse vstr cgmouse"


i got a mate to do something in my cfg so i could have a special zoom thing so idk what any of this shit actually means but thats my sens/accel, fov is all 110 with zoom to 60 for rail and 80 for lg (which i use like 95 percent when using those 2 guns)

I did mean to reply to that comment (#37), as I can't find any unkind cfg online, but thanks nevertheless.

oh thought u meant to ask about my cfg heh well idk anything about his or any oldschool 'pro' (lol)

What do you mean by "special zoom thing" ?

so i can zoom to 2 levels, once by pushing zoom then go even further by pushing the gun bind again whilst zooming, but aslso have zoom scaling still (so it doesnt just change fov it slowly zooms in)

over time you generally realize if you are over/undershooting on any weapons. I currently have the same sens (7.5) for every weapon except:

gauntlet (8.0) (also higher fov)
lg (6.5)
plasma (8.0)

In the past I also had a lower fov for lg and rg.. however I decided just changing the sens was the best solution.

Then again, my aim is shit anyway :D:D:D

If you under or overshoot with a weapon = move the mouse more or less. ??? :D

it seems by brain isn't wired that way :P

I don't get why n00bs like you post their settings. like people should consider copying the cfg of a 900 elo n00b

I posted it to irritate retards. Success!

nope, just cheap reply. god, u suck so :DD:DD::DD::D

it's a shame your probation is preventing you from revealing how really butthertz you are about QL and life in general :(

why do you google?

whats does that m_cpi thing do? i just cant understand

You set m_cpi to the dpi of your mouse, the sensitivity command then determines your degrees per centimeter.

Is this worth doing or i leave it at 0? How many dpis a wmo 1.1a has anyway

The advantage is if you ever change mouse, you should only have to change m_cpi and everything will feel the same. No idea how much dpi on a wmo sorry.

~400

But some say 450 in some versions

That's why I added the ~ sign. The dpi varies from mouse to mouse and the range is usually 400-450 but most of the WMO´s are quite close to 400 dpi. From what I know no 3.0 or WMO has been officially branded as a 450 dpi mouse.

400. same as old ie3.0

people are still trying hard i see

the unfair advantage

Any way to calculate your actual dpis ala usbrate for hz?

there's hardware called ruler and some simple math

How about no

enotus mouse thingie does that, but a ruler would be more accurate.

Z4muz used to play like this in his primetime.

He might have used it before he played i All* but as far as i know he has always used an intellimouse explorer 3.0 with drivers (6/10), 1.6 sens, 0.2 accel (converted to QL) and 0.022 yaw/pitch.

i remember k1llsen using 0.14 accel for all weapons except lg where he used 0.12.

Different fov/sens/accel is only good for tdm, where the game is about raw dmg IMO, but in duel its more about being at the right spot for first, so you need smooth movement, which is pretty hard to do if fovs/senses differ, youll have a hard time get used to, chances are you become a lot slower or develop bad habits like running with suboptimal weapons etc...

lol

good to have a real tdm star noone joining the discussion!

just so you know i played a considerable amount on both configs, these were my experiences in the past. and urs?

you're screwed after that one frs!

But if you only use a different fov for railgun and a different sens for lg doesn't look that bad

everyone is better using what they prefer

shhh, don't tell that to retards like nemecel

yeah, being interested in better players' settings than yourself totally makes you a retard.

Yeah as long as you blindly copy someones settings without thinking twice. I always smirk at "can I haz cypher'S cfg" comments because most of the people can't handle such a sens and bum around 1200 elo ...
I agree that playing with different settings might not be beneficial overall but if you are doing fine or even better, why not?
Just take a look at the top duel players and you'll see that almost everyone of them has his own settings. Be it fov (rapha), sens (rapha/cypher/stermy vs strenx/zamuz/tox), accel y/n etc. You can play with almost everything and still be at the top. Some of these settings are extrem and in some cases to the detriment of certain aspects of the game like movement, aim blabla but imo you should always play with settings you feel most comfortable with. There's no reason to stick to something which just doesn't feel right to yourself.

to be honest i think most people start off using someone elses cfg man.....they find one they like best and tweak it.

I completely agree with you, having your own config is the best, but why call someone a retard who uses a pros as a base for it? When I started playing I used ~5cm/360 sens, picmip 1, smokey projectiles, default hud and no force enemy model for months, until I ran into a few configs online by chance. Then I used cyphers with minor changes, and later, when I finally undestood what each cvar was for, made my own tidy cfg from scratch. There is nothing wrong with paying attention to trends in the pros' settings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2kyOUdY3XQ&am...AAAAAAAABQ lol

Fraze you are creating an argument where one doesn't really exist. I definitely agree with you though. Hit boxes and netcode were looser in Q3. You could get away with so much more...but when you watch these old demo's...it doesn't hold up to the game today. When the game was sloppier the top players exploited that and therefore played sloppier, the game is tighter now with arguably better netcode and smaller hitboxes. Yes, none of these guys could make a comeback playing QL as they played Q3, that's not saying they couldn't quickly learn QL and adjust their gameplay. Secondly, people grow up and and can't afford to rely on today's meager tournament winnings to support themselves. It's not that these guys are scared or CAN'T, they've just move on and don't care. They got real stuff to deal with, familys to take care of, and very real jobs/careers to tend to.

The reason not to do different sens and fov is it hurts consistency.

who the fuck cares? if your <insert quake icon name here> endorses speedos, are you going to go buy them too?

it must be the speedos.

I'd wear stermy speedos. No homo.

i already have a pair, want?

To be pro in:
CA - yes.
Duel, TDM, CTF, FFA - no.

Pro CA lol.

Video game Professional

lol

In the last config K1llsen used that I tried he had different sens/accel settings for each weapon.