Why isn't range here?

we dont have any data on him. if you have something youd like to share regarding this player, feel free to add it to our forums! http://exposed.freeforums.org/

btw you can also PM the evidence to an OP in #exposed on quakenet if you dont want to share it publicly right away

Bur range is such a blatant hacker. Every game is evidence.

in that case it shouldnt be too long until hes EXPOSED ;d

I can't wait!

How sketch isn't banned yet is beyond me.

didnt you hear? ID dev team has more important things than managing QL that they need to tend to...(ie: doom4 which i heard is going to be even better than doom3)

>Even better darker.

posting a link to game stats sure is proof of hax

no, just a bit suspicious imo

So "EXPOSED" is actually short for "we have something that's a bit suspicious". I see.

Can't wait to see the dream team of incubus, mrgreen, avenged, and fear at next quakecon! Go getem boys! rofl scrubs

Why do I get the idea that the same people keep being exposed every month.
Same names, or alt accounts of previously caught people. Don't they get bored?

LOOL!!!! u actually read this threasd hahnha<ghag

LOL you actually read responses to threads you don't read!

gg

boredom will make jew krejzi^

people still care about this?

i've been saying it for along time now, Stwolf is a hacker. People didnt want to believe me but I could tell with his aiming.

Well derb, your accusations have finally hit the mark! I'm exposed because I have an alias, even though the demo provided shows me in a pub on asylum with no timestamps that people have stated as odd. Just people making hilarious accusations. I'm flattered, however.

oh derb_....ya i've seen that guy in-game plenty... super suspect player. always getting accused of botting....lol....


whats funny about this community....is its hackers exposing other hackers......a gaming community can't get any more garbage then that....haha. pure shit community.


nothing real about it......esfantasy.....

nothing real about it......esfantasy.....

clever, did you come up with that on your own?

if you're trying to insinuate something then come outright and say it. Otherwise, your sarcasm is wasted. I understand your logic in saying that hacker A tries to expose hacker B in order to shield himself, but know that it is flawed and ambiguous at best to think that. If you are accusing me of actually hacking, then indeed this community has gone to shit. But if anyone wants my demos, they can have them.

Don't worry, his opinion holds no weight with anyone.

players that are banned profiles....posting on these forums...

dutra exposing other hackers is what i referred too....

your derb_.....yet thats not even what your account name on esr says....your another alt dude. its obvious.

alting is worse then botting.

alting is worse then botting.

- (c) CooloutAC

dam straight.

it ruins more matches and scares away more players....

then a bot who will just be tier placed and skill matched with people his lvl.

League of Legends and Star Craft 2 and WoW are games that understand this.

if you have more then one alt......or your one alt is too new compared to your main. Your full of bs and a cheater.

fake is fake dude. and alting is worse then botting. alting is more underminding to the skill match system then botting.....and its more damaging to the playerbase when people slum.

i mean look at dutra and visje.....they might of literally singlehandedly killed the whole ffa playerbase themselves whether they botted or not.

Simply because they alt and don't want to play people at their own level. Players like that are fake and pussy.... and whether they bot or not they should be banned.

just like they would in LoL or SC2......the most popular and professionally played games on the pc at the moment.

sure call it cooncidence......say ql is unpopular because of its learning curve and fantasy weapons...lmao

i mean look at dutra and visje.....they might of literally singlehandedly killed the whole ffa playerbase themselves whether they botted or not.

ahah tru. i pretty much singlehandled killed the North American FFA scene, even though i rarely played it since its the least competitive mode in the game. btw you forgot to include tyryl, kgb, poros1ty, mikenoid, blinkin, ketnar (ie: the guys that actually played that shit 24/7) in the list of guys who may have slummed it to death

Simply because they alt and don't want to play people at their own level. Players like that are fake and pussy.... and whether they bot or not they should be banned.

i play people at my own level all the time and im sure visje and anyone else good at this game does as well, as it wouldnt make logical sense if they didnt and was able to consistently rape lesser tier3 shitties like you. you dont get good at a game like quake by playing noobs and crying/ragequitting when the odds seem like theyre against you.

dude - the game on asylum with you and requiem vs me, avenged, gambit, and someone else pretty good. you were flat out walling. the rocket you shot down at avenged in the corner for one.....the better than stermy rails lolol.

i remember seeing that Requiem person once on a server. His rails were complete bull. I think stwolf or one of those FR noobs was also on his team.

Prove it, I'm waiting on the demo. One prediction rocket isn't enough to jump to conclusions. It's sad that half way decent players won't accept the fact that other players are as good as if not better than them just because they are not part of the "good ol' boys" group.

Heres the demo of that match. Find the hacks, trolls.

http://www.qldemos.com/demo/204003/ca-asylum-...lf-stacko_

lol? the situation around the 1:40 mark, where you shot that rocket...
there is no enemymodel visible, neither keel nor tankjr


dude, you served them proof

While I enjoyed the past two issues for January and Feburary, but this one is garbage. I'm hoping next month is better.

Rename this thread to "current state of US QL players"

apparenlty when talking to some german friends i've made in ql......its the same in europe dude.

same shit.... i don't believe its any diff at this point.

Afaik, QL doesn't decide your tiers until you complete 20 matches, so any skilled player making a new fake account (for whatever reason, hax or no hax) is going to have extremely high accuracies no matter what, after only 20-30 games, especially if said wanker is tierslumming on purpose.

So screenshots of a new account's stats are useless, you can't use them as evidence (unless there is 90% LG or something stupid, obviously).

You can move tiers in as little as 2-3 games. If you dominate a couple games, you'll see a grey Tier 4 bar for that game type on the stats page. Nobody needs to spend 20 games in Tier 3.

Spoken like a true tierslummer.

on the contrary, this is spoken as a Tier 3 CA player who constantly has to deal with brand to alt accounts. They're easy to spot and often when checking their profile page I observer just a couple games played and already they're Tier 4, yet camped out on a T3 server until they run everyone off.

So indeed, they will have very high accuracies, whether they are hacking or not. As I said, a screenshot of their stats cannot be used as evidence unless the accuracies are stupidly obviously high.

hacking is a minor offense.

hacking is not as detrimental and damaging to the playerbase as slum lord alts.

hackers who don't make an alt will be tier placed with people their ownskill level.

Slum lord alts are worse because they ruin matches by faking their skill matching. Frustrating way more players from the game then bots.


Not all alts are bots....but ALL BOTS ARE ALTS!!!! and its a worse way to cheat regardless.

lol whats a slum lord

http://i.current.com/images/asset/905/038/02/gFztI.jpg

a slum lord is someone who stays on/camps a server below his actual skill lvl to play newbs. For example i.. a slum lord is someone who will purposely find ways to down tier...either by playing newbs in FFA or manually tiering down in ctf......or by faking his skill matching by making an alt to play t3 in CA.

nowadays i don't trust any account that is not a year old. I'll assume its another cheating team stacking slum lord alt just by name alone.

Not many people play this game.....easy to remember almost everyone who plays ca in my half of the country at t3/4.

So new name instantly sticks out. And 9 times out of 10...before the match begins.....you can bet that new name might be the best player on the server.......9 times out of 10......

someone who stays on/camps a server below his actual skill lvl to play newbs.

this is impossible in QL since you can't join servers below your skill level.

someone who will purposely find ways to down tier...either by playing newbs in FFA or manually tiering down in ctf......or by faking his skill matching by making an alt to play t3 in CA.

when you make a new account you get placed in tier3 by default and within a few games you get bumped up or down depending on how well you do. if you're a slumlord then you'd get bumped up to the highest tier in less than 5 games and locked out of lower tiers. there's no such thing as slum lords since everyone gets locked in their appropriate tiers within a few games anyways.

when you get bumped up you don't get forced off the server.

People use scripts to stay on a server idle for hours...camping the newbs on that server....even if they are already skill matched for a higher tier....ID does not force them off the server until they manually change servers themselves.

your really trying to argue this with me? hahah failure.

and yes alts start in t3 thats the whole dam point. They start in t3, first of all, because alts are such a huge detrimental problem to the game. Secondly, they are abusive if they are really t4!!! And thirdly....people make rotating alts.....they have like 20-30 alts they rotate thtough every month... because whether id wants to admit it or not...after a month of not playing your skill rating drops.

Theres so many ways you can be a cheating punk without botting. Like i keep saying..hacking is less detrimental to the playerbaes then abusive alts.

People use scripts to stay on a server idle for hours...camping the newbs on that server....even if they are already skill matched for a higher tier....ID does not force them off the server until they manually change servers themselves.

rofl you actually think this is a widespread problem? :D

yes.....and not only are people camping servers afraid to tier up a problem.

when people spec......and teams are uneven...its rude.

because someone like me might be browsing the servers and count the numbers of players since it doesn't refresh quick enough...and see an even amount and move to a diff server.

meanwhile the teams are still uneven cause the ass in spec never idle times out.

Dutra add these to your original post:

Jtocs caught cheating
http://i.imgur.com/Sa6iI.jpg

Aprosexia caught cheating
http://i.imgur.com/wALQ2.jpg


Imurq caught cheating
http://i.imgur.com/cOH4x.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kV6Qj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/IaEqe.jpg

why would you say "xxx caught cheating" when the whole reason of that account is that the person can cheat?

I don't think "caught" or "exposed" are the right words to use when informing the general public about some new accounts that are obvious cheaters and 99 % of the ql population can see that..

those were imposters lol. that or they were testdriving hacks on new accounts...but i doubt they would use something close to their real aliases.

jtocz...... oh lawdy

You neglected to put imurQ_ caught cheating. You said imurQ. If this is the basis for why imurQ was banned, maybe people should get their facts straight and cross reference ip addresses instead of making wild assumptions.

agree with ninez, this issue is quite lacking dutra! :P

meh, i guess thats what happens when most of the playerbase is most likely cheating anyways and ID does nothing about it. are u actually still playing this shit? lol

true enough haha. yea i have nothing else to play atm and its easy enough to play with my random ass schedule

americans are fat jamerio is poor

in your opinion

You really should have added "north" somewhere in there, haha.

ouch gg

I heard he couldn't afford a keyboard :(

so who's the cheater here ? me with my 2 only accounts closed for "rules violation" (in other words for no reason i can paste the ban email, plus i have terrible stats on both accounts) or dutra's 1000 accounts banned for 3rd party software ? lol dutra you are just more pathetic thread after thread, you are trying to hide the fact that you cheated multiple times by accusing anybody that is better than you (basically everybody just look at your list full of tier 3 noobies) I think you need another 11 years of quake to get on my level son.

you are trying to hide the fact that you cheated multiple times by accusing anybody that is better than you

im not accusing u im just posting whats been given to me. if your accounts got banned for rules violations then you should post your ban email to clear your name. and you're no where near better than me, ive raped u multiple times in instagib ctf (easiest mod in QL) and even asked for 1v1 dm17 and u always came up with some excuse.

also ive never been banned for using any third party software lololol: http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/4771/dutra.png

nt tho, also post ur ban email so we can all get a good lulzz..

your suspect thats why you were banned.

whats wrong with you man? and they say i'm the crazy one?

first of all...noone needs demos.

A dominating alt with an attitude problem is obvious dude. Its just common sense. Your fake whether you were caught redhanded botting or not.

Like i keep saying a team stacking slum lord alt is a worse cheater then a bot using 3rd party software. Its just a freaking fact.

your posts...your account names...your attitude.....and the fact your a proud slum lord... is why you were banned dude.

and if you think your not a cheater...well then in this community apparenlty your not alone....lmao.....but in every other gaming community....you would be shunned.

our banned from the game for being a pos unfair rude player.....but yet you post your propoganda encouraging unfair play freely here......and i'm on probation...lmao

Ya grats...i'm glad your proud you probably singlehandedly killed FFA along with visje who is also banned....and now you singlehandedly killed this website.

Noonne wants to post on esfake.com anymore dude, When you look at all the posters profiles and their accoutns are either delteted or banned.

ID did the right thing banning you from gameplay. Your a cheat. and this community is a joke.

man i hope you get some help and change that mentality of yours thinking that everyone cheats lol. your just like the retards in that other timenudge thread saying people who use timenudge and enemymodels are cheaters, honestly you shitties never cease to amuse me. ive already explained why im banned in plenty of threads and both me and visje have been playing q3 for years now so i dont get how u think we're fake but anyways lol just be quiet noob we're talking about leobz not me, go rage about how bad you are at ffa elsewhere

all you have to do is check profiles.

oh wait yours is banned already.


anyone who has an account after nov 2010 is suspect. And if its proven that you made a second account and are mistmatched in tier.....you should be reprimanded.

and your an obvious team stacker if you have as many quits as half his losses. Man i just seen a guy today with more quits then losses hahah.

or i love when i see a profile with 600 games played but an atrocious win/loss and an overall accuracy in the teens...and it says hes tier 2.

but meanwhile in the match the guy gets 30 percent accuracy and dominates a t3 server....lol

or guys that have horrible win /losse ratios .....in tier 2 and 3.....but their lg accuracy is over 40% hahahah. more then strenx!

anyone who has an account after nov 2010 is suspect.

i love pointing out how ridiculous your statements sound. so what exactly are new players suspect of? finding out about QL? lol. what a dumb thing to say.

overly paranoid people such as yourself who look down upon new players joining the game are exactly the reason why this game's playerbase will never grow.

because even if you played q3 over 5 years ago, and you just started playing ql now again your gonnna be pretty rusty. Unless you were some pro back then, which is extremely doubtful, your not gonna be over skill 70.

and its also pretty naive to think that guys who were regular q3 players before ql came out are only just finding out about ql now....gimme a break.

I mean we always say this game has the highest learning curve....and requires the most muscle memory and reflexes....which is why its the most sportlike video game in history.

but at this point almost all new accounts are alts, which are guys like you...guys that have 4 other accounts banned already for being dishonorable.

when you see a name you don't recognize.....which is usually all white.....9 times out of 10 that guy is gonna dominate the server. What don't you get about this man?


we are all the avg age of 30 and we all have been playing quake for years......

the diff is....a small few of us never got banned in 2009 or 2010. Now there is almost no honest guys left. (2008-2010 accounts)

and now its a known fact ID is not as aggressive and relies more on player submitted demos....so there is way less bans. and servers full of alts since 2010.

because even if you played q3 over 5 years ago, and you just started playing ql now again your gonnna be pretty rusty. Unless you were some pro back then, which is extremely doubtful, your not gonna be over skill 70.

not really. once you learn how to play q3, you dont forget how. i know several of confirmed oldschool players who have been MIA for a while that started playing QL again and play exactly the same as they have back when they were playing q3. theyre almost exactly the same game so its not like you would forget anything. ive also quit this game for months at a time without it drastically affecting my skill.

I mean we always say this game has the highest learning curve....and requires the most muscle memory and reflexes....which is why its the most sportlike video game in history.

k well this is also false lol QL is a really easy game you're just bad at it. its not hard for anyone to excel at this game if they put the time in.

when you see a name you don't recognize.....which is usually all white.....9 times out of 10 that guy is gonna dominate the server. What don't you get about this man?

rofl what?? what does the color of the player's name have to do with anything? sigh cooloutac logic lol.

we are all the avg age of 30 and we all have been playing quake for years......

you're 30? lol holy fuck dont u have a wife or somethin..

btw are you trolling or serious? not sure tbh..

you're trolling, but I'll bite. one thing you don't realize is that VQ3/QL has a very, very, very high skill ceiling. you talk about "tier 3" and tierslumming as if tiers actually mean anything or reflect skill in any way. they do not. the only people who are actually NOT in tier 4 are so appallingly awful at Quake that they're clueless about what's possible in the gmae.

for instance, at my best I would consider myself at least a top 10-15 dueler in NA in the past year or two. and I'm definitely not the best, but I can speak to the fact that tiers are just stupid. the variation in skill in QL is insane. you'd need at least 10 or 12 tiers even if they were properly executed to account for this variability. I've been playing Q3 since 1999. I wasn't always this good; it's just something that happens over time when you've played enough, you know? like anything else. like guitar. a novice watches some guitar cover of Stairway or Hotel California or whatever on youtube and considers this "difficult" and therefore the cream of the crop on guitar, when it's nothing like that. those solos are very easy, and really have nothing to do with skill. technique only goes so far, just like in QL. once you can do bridge to rail back to back 50 times, skills are not what separates you. that stuff is very basic. it comes down, instead, to what you do with those basic skills.

you don't know who I am (some people over the history of ESR pride themselves on knowing my identity through anonymous comments, as if it were somehow a secret), though. I am "tyryl." of course, I could be cheating, you know? and therefore clueless myself? but even so, there are players who are demonstrably as good or better than me who are completely legitimate, e.g. the top 10-20 pros who play LANs. the thing is you are just completely deluded and clueless about QL, and maybe it's because you won't stop and consider that maybe that level of skill is actually possible. sure, there are a lot of QLs in cheaters.. believe me. I'm practically infamous for calling out cheaters. but it doesn't work the way you think. if you'd stop complaining and practice, you'd eventually be absolved of these delusions. anybody can do it. it just takes time. but you and so many others just aren't willing to put in the effort. that's ok, too. I'm only good at QL duel because I've played it 10 years. I didn't practice. if I'd been practicing all that time I'd more likely be a LAN contender, but I digress. you just have to realize that acquiring skill in anything does take effort, deliberate/focused/intentional or not. it's a basic economic precept, really; the tradeoff of the expense of time for the expense of effort.

tier 3 is a joke; most playres in tier 4 are very, very, very awful even compared to a very average tier 4 player.

tyryl is actually on point here, this whole post is pretty much exactly what i wouldve said. also coolout:

anybody can do it. it just takes time. but you and so many others just aren't willing to put in the effort. that's ok, too. I'm only good at QL duel because I've played it 10 years.

you hear that news buddy? in 10 or so years you'll be as good as tyryl if you keep dueling :). good luck on your journey you'll need it.

that comment still didn't turn out quite the way I'd intended it. I'm usually high as fuck and unable to focus when I post shit like that so I'm just glad to have gotten it out, but lol. "QLs in cheaters." incredible stuff. I also just had to manage to fit in how I'm a top 10 American dueler!!! but the point of that was simply to establish a perspective of credibility; not an argument from authority, but just some kind of acknowledgement that there are decent players who are capable of recognizing that what's "naturally" possible in terms of skill in VQ3/QL far exceeds this Coolout dude's conceptions, and it's actually kind of baffling at times.

I think that's the most striking example that he's completely deluded.. the fact that he speaks about tier 3 vs tier 4 as if there's some real skill differential here. anything below tier 4 must be octogenarians or infants, or something, because I just honestly can't imagine how it's possible to be that bad, but yet these QL forum guys seem to have been talking about it constantly for the past 2-3 years, and they haven't been able to make it to tier 4 in that amount of time? that's the number one sign that you probably shouldn't be making any kind of statement about skill levels. I'm sure that any decent/pro player would back me up on this, if they were at all interested in this completely useless discussion, though maybe they'd say it in a less douchey manner. some people just can't seem to believe that some things are real. but they forget that there are people who are more naturally adept to some things, and still more who've had a very long time to practice.

hahaha.....ya the anonymous guy. and the guy with 4 banned accounts. can this forum get any deader?

support that typical arrogant q3 selfish attitude that killed quake 10 years ago bud. good job. its great for the community that you post here.

Having a banned account has nothing to do with the correctness and credibility of a statement.

Edit: Maybe credibility wasn't the word to use. So I'll say that banned account doesn't lessen the legitimacy of a statement regarding a matter like this.

if you have a banned account. you have no fkn credibility.

get real dude.

You mean, like how you're banned from the QL's forum?

lololol ikr

I've never been banned from playing the game. I still have my 2009 account.

Dutra on the other hand... has numerous banned accounts.

I'm lliterally banned from the forums for stating this exact fact.

such a badass

ya i can almost guarantee dutra has strong id connections.

lololol. if that were true then i wouldnt have ANY accounts banned (like incubus, who clearly should be banned for violating the maximum alt account EULA violation like so many others have been, but hes close to id / has a pro sub, so he gets away with it unlike the rest of us)

Your the one who says he always gets banned for harassment. I never have.
hahahahahaha your crack me up kid.

and having 4 accounts banned? again I'll ask...why are you not permabanned?

Your the one who says he always gets banned for harassment. I never have.

you were banned from the forum for your harassment. and im pretty sure you wouldve been banned from gameplay as well if you used multiple accounts to post your harassment on the forums, like i did: http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/4771/dutra.png

at the time of my ban (around aug-sept 2011) ive already had several alt accounts which i had been using to find more games and post with. they chainbanned all of them because they said i was being too offensive on their forum. whatever.

but you didn't get banned from the forums. all your banned accounts still post on the ql forums....even though they are banned from gameplay? hahahahahaha.


your really think their connected? hahahaha your proof their not!

I harass more people then you...including ID employees. Are you being serious? I think i'm notorious for it.....

alting is cheating dude. has nothing to do with harassment. I think you accidentally exposed yourself again. You got banned for alting....which is suspect enough dude.


I was never banned from gameplay cause i'm not a dishonest gamer and i promote fair play. Your the opposite of me.


The ql mods themselves cheat which is why your probably allowed to post there on your numerous banned accounts.
I don't condone alts, tier slumming and team stacking like they do.

I literally got perma banned after pointing out you were a slum lord when one of your BANNED accounts was posting on the ql forums. Malk is a hater and probably literally a nazi, and wanted to cover up that potentially extremely damaging and embarrassing fact.

I still think there is something fishy about you still being allowed to play this game dude.....

but you didn't get banned from the forums. all your banned accounts still post on the ql forums....even though they are banned from gameplay? hahahahahaha.


your really think their connected? hahahaha your proof their not!

I harass more people then you...including ID employees. Are you being serious? I think i'm notorious for it.....

alting is cheating dude. has nothing to do with harassment. I think you accidentally exposed yourself again. You got banned for alting....which is suspect enough dude.


I was never banned from gameplay cause i'm not a dishonest gamer and i promote fair play. Your the opposite of me.


The ql mods themselves cheat which is why your probably allowed to post there on your numerous banned accounts.
I don't condone alts, tier slumming and team stacking like they do.

I literally got perma banned after pointing out you were a slum lord when one of your BANNED accounts was posting on the ql forums. Malk is a hater and probably literally a nazi, and wanted to cover up that potentially extremely damaging and embarrassing fact.

I still think there is something fishy about you still being allowed to play this game dude.....

mate you ve never really won against me since you only join insta pubs when game is full of noobs or teams are uneven just like noob fragwhores incubus, zethus, glow etc... and even tho 1vs1 insta is the most ridiculous thing ever you never really asked me for 1vs1 except once in the middle of a game so yea nt.
also, i didnt know incubus was syncerror s kid and now at least i know why i got banned for no reason (can "prove" it with screenshots where i made incubus rage hard with both accounts in insta ffa and ctf a few times in a row), but if you insist i can still copy paste my email bans and the arrogant replies from the staff/ordus.

ok post it as a screenshot

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/811/answer2x.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/214/answer3m.jpg/
and a few days (maybe hours) before my acc gets banned for good :
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/405/incubusrage.jpg/

>the same reason.

the t isn't capitalized

lol, so you just edited the ban letter like dutra did

what? how is my ban email edited antero? it looks exactly like yours (except for the gay porn tabs)

and his doesnt look edited either. it does however look as though a few bit of details as to why his account is banned are missing. usually they let you know the offense which led to your ban in the first email they send, so its a bit weird that its missing here. in the emails you posted, theyre not really saying much as to why youve been banned which i find a bit awkward. leobz, are you leaving out some emails containing more details or what?

pathetic much ? Is that all you ve got? Lol nt but no I did not edit anything because 1) I dont know how to 2) I dont have that much free time 3) you can ask ordus yourself whether that email is authentic or not and 4) you're probably just mad and since you re a nerd with so much spare time why dont you try to compare the size of characters, police, etc.. ? If I had edited anything it would still be noticeable when you take a close look at it.

NEXT.

i dont think its edited but i think some information is being omitted from your posts but w/e

No mate if I had more info I wouldn't be here.. I took a SS of the two most important emails/replies and it clearly doesn't say or explain anything... There is one more e mail I ve sent to ordus right before I make my foraiur acc asking him to be more specific so I don't make the same violation again and he sent the exact same reply (thats why I didnt SS it but still can if u insist) saying "We have received and reviewed... In our review we found that the account closure was justified with regards to the QL terms of use.... bla bla...." nothing new what.
and a few weeks later my 2nd acc gets banned aswell for "the same reason" and this is what bothers me the most because it doesnt make sense at all. So yea in conclusion either this is a mistake or I got banned for winning against SyncError's kid and making him rage/ragequit.

i heard it kinda aims for you

1v1 dm17.

Hahahahahah, I remember those days........10 years ago......

actuall its a little diff.

because what i deem cheating is already deemed cheating in other gaming communities.

abusive alts get banned in more popular and professionally played games like LoL.

your the one living in a fantasy every time you deny things like this.

ONLY quake...the ONLY fps online......that does not have an autobalance to prevent team stacking by at least keeping even team numbers......which i also deem cheating in in pubs.

there are many ways to cheat besides botting....faking your skill match is also called hustling in real life.

and many people have gotten hurt or worse over such things. And its def the antithesis of a competitive match..... You treat it as a joke if you want.

But because i have physical disabilities stopping me from competing in the more respectable athletic sports....quake is my new sport and I treat it with the same respect.

Team stacking slum lord bots are worse for this tier system and more detrimental to the playerbase then bots. FACT!

....faking your skill match is also called hustling in real life.

^ lolwut

what don't you understand about this?

when you go slumming newbs for their money in real life, you can get murdered. Its unfair and dishonest.

Are you that much of an inexperienced closet homo nerd?


This really happens..... There was a dude who got stabbed to death at the handball courts up the block from me years back. All he did was just talk too much shit. Right in front of the kiddy playground and families.

The problem is....in real life....that kid could not make a new account so people didn't know who he was...haha.

remaining anonymous is the only reason video games are not as respected as athletic sports by society. EVEN THOUGH....more people of all ages around the world play video games more then athletic sports.....

people like you shame the game man.....

cool story bro.

:D
I just read all that bullshit from cookout and it is hilarious. Dude you should go to mental healthcare center. Hurrr slumlords everywhere:DDDD you truly mad

Comparing a slummer in a videogame to a guy getting murdered in real life....ok. This is what happens when you are dropped on the floor head first as a baby.

the fact you don't respect video games like pro atheltic sports is telling.

Call me crazy......but I think the fact this game is unpopular...and ALL popular gaming communities already have the regulations i petition for in ql in their games.......means most of society agrees with me.

The only thing keeping video games disrespected.....is anonymous pricks like yourself. Say that to me in real life....and we will see who gets dropped on their head....hahahahah.

well at least on this forum we get your ip for being anonymous...lol

Say that to me in real life....and we will see who gets dropped on their head....hahahahah.

CooloutAC IRL: http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/...5896_n.jpg

lol

you do know most public shootings are in redneck country and committed by corny looking nerds who look just like that. I would be careful who you make fun of.

Here is what the real dutra is like....

.http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/summary/dutra

He will say he was banned for harrassment. But really he was banned for being a little sore losing whiny pussy quitting slum lord alt, who only wants to ruin other peoples fun dishonestly.

And lets face it...your naive to think anyone who would sink that low....and act like that much of a whiny sore losing scumbag, who would sink low enough to find different ways to cheat!?!?!.... never bots!?!?!? NAIVE!

no other gaming communities need demos for the obvious....

Dutra is a cheater of the worst kind. He is so phony...that account didn't even last one month. None of his accounts do.


ONE MONTH!!! this dude was banned. Anything he says about ql is invalid. Hes a cheater of the worst kind......yet he is the biggest poster on esr..........welcome to the quake community. Where bitter unsociable haters like Dutra have been Disrespecting video games since the 90s.....lol

I Hate cooloutac to be honest I wish she would go away

Dutra is a cheater of the worst kind. He is so phony...that account didn't even last one month. None of his accounts do.

ive had my first two QL accounts (arterie/dt) since 2009. they banned them in late 2011 after they decided my forum posts were too offensive and labeled it "trolling" (even though i was only speaking the truth about how shitty QL is, just like i do here). my ban had nothing to do with my ingame activity. it wasnt because of slumming, or anything like that. ask them yourselves lol. now, im not saying that im not guilty of slumming or being a "slum lord" like you say, but alot of people in this game are, and have been since the whole concept of tiers was introduced, so if they singled me out for that then it wouldnt really be justified.

i didnt make that "dutra" account until after they banned my original two ones. my last account was "greatfoo" but it got banned after someone reported it for ban evasion, and i dont feel like making another account since this game is pretty much dead anyways.

I've never been banned from gameplay..... And some will argue i've had many more offensive posts then you. I think you were banned dozens of times from GAMEPLAY!!!! G....and for more then just harassment.

call it cooncidence that you were a notorious lamer slum lord. just a cooncidence according to you I guess haha. Just like visje eh?

i'm not that naive dude. Other communties consider team stacking and abusive alts dishonorable players and ban them for a reason.

well everyone knows ID doesnt give everyone the same levels of punishment to everyone. theres no clear ban system for the plethora of offenses which is why theres so much confusion. if they had a proper system, then yeah we both would have been banned from gameplay, but they dont. its just fucked. take your frustations on ID, not me. their system is flawed, and fucked just as so many people have pointed out in the past. and maybe if you stopped being its #1 fanboy saying its better than q3 etc maybe they would actually fix trivial things like this so there would be less confusion for everyone.

anyways, i just told you the facts, so you can assume and think whatever you want to make yourself feel better just like a bunch of others do.

dude.... is it really freaking clear to everyone but you.? I doubt that...your full of it......and your defense is there system is flawed?

Well yes......sure you'd be a good beta tester...maybe you should get paid for it.......but people want to have fair games in RECORDED RANKED matches.

ID only allows 2 accounts in their TOS. And in my book there aren't too many excuses to even have more then one....but it can be nescessary or acceptable if the second account is not used to smurf or used in any abusive way.

its as simple as that dude. Slumming and harassing players. Its common sense.....even worse then bots.....naive to think u wouldn't bot if u sink that low....to trash talk a bunch of newbs hahaha........but when u get rid of all abusive alts...u get rid of all fake bots in one sweep as well...

Just harassing people alone is not gonna get you banned though. I highly doubt that.... I mean what fantasy land do you live in? This is quakelive.....one of the most competitive video games in history....with the most smack talk in history hahaha. I mean QL is so much toned down then what q3 was thank god....but Who are you kidding dude? thats what most players binds are for...... ha Your only lying to yourself....... nobody believes you.

just keep exposing all the other cheaters too like the good little snitch you are.

what makes you think im lying about anything. wait what am i lying about? lol....

maybe you are really just that delusional then.

I mean its def clear, that most people think alting and faking skill matching is not as bad as botting. That i can see you really believing unfortunately.

Even though it is cheating and even worse then botting.

but what i don't believe....is that you believe ..........that relentlessly tier slumming and shit talking on a bunch of newbs is acceptable, whether you bot or not.

mmhmm

Investigate latuch for a solid cheater.

its quite funny but I need to write it :D you don;t need to pray for ban, it;s better way. I can just teach you how to play, thats really simple!!! Someone else can say that same :D stop crying and being a pussy :D I can send to you 3 gb of my demos and I can wish you nice time with popcorn and beer

its bad enough that you are reposting the avenged video. why do u then need to post images from the video? and why post a random clan arena scoreboard in there which says nothing?

curious about the reasons for effortless getting banned.

curious about the reasons for effortless getting banned.

he used a hack and then publicly announced it

I had tried the bot while admining for the BiBs tournament and told gambit in a pub. Wasn't for personal use. Payed my price I guess.

I've walked out of friends houses when they have showed me bots on the screen, trying to get me to use them.

Even the excuse i just want to see how they work so i can stop hackers is bogus.


and its especially suspect since this community does not respect pubs, which is what breeds players.

and this is relevant how?

its relevant...because people who don't bot....wouldn't "try out" a bot "to see what to look for"


if your running a fkn tournament....how bout you don't let alts sign up fool!

LOL I bet

You're the biggest hacker defender in the community. Thank god 2GD is starting a quake show so we won't have to watch your garbage anymore. If you ask this retard he'd tell you hax don't even exist.

wonko, a hack defender? more like wonko, a guy who has the ability to use common sense.

you're fucking hilarious

http://www.quakelive.com/#!clans/summary/202157
http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/summary/Air_Av3k

yahoo aka fab1o aka the nerd noob leader of IK is back. with loads of 'good, clean guys' in his new clan :D

Reminder that ske7ch still isn't banned despite being blatant as fuck.

I guess they really don't ban Pro subscribers.

blatant? l0l

lolz fab1o is back wtf good to see him back always a cool dude to game with and we all that know him no he never botted, and what evidence do you have kkk to come up with that post ;D

you must feel so retarded posting about yourself (yahooa121/fab1o)

and that you ended up getting busted as a cheater is even more pathetic.

you couldn't top this if you tried.

I've played this game for like 10 years. Don't think I'm trying to advocate the use of bots. If anything my statement would be against bots because I was running the tournament, and tried it to see what to be looking for. Of course I regret my idiotic decisions, but oh well. Can't change it. But I can understand that it's easy to assume someone who says they try the bot uses it for personal gain. Kind of hard to prove it when we're all online.

But I can understand that it's easy to assume someone who says they try the bot uses it for personal gain. Kind of hard to prove it when we're all online.

indeed, which is why it was foolish to do so in the first place, regardless of what your intentions are. if youve been playing the game for 10 years, then you should have somewhat of an idea how a bot functions / looks like as you wouldve had to come across several in q3, even with PB.

nonetheless, your actions as well as the actions of a bunch of others who try hacks for whatever reasons they have, are merely a direct result of no anticheat in this game, as well as ID's lack of an official response regarding one being implemented in the future.

i said this before: your experience only makes you more guilty since you shouldve known better not to foolishly get yourself caught in such a stupid manner.

I remember you.

You and I were 1v1 in a friendly duel tournament and you called me names, and "one map player" after you beat me.

I'm glad you're banned.

I'm glad you're banned.

lol, because he outsmarted you? :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportsmanship

look at the 2 hackers defending each other...hahahahah god this community is fail.

lol

what community where?
financial connections between that coder and that lowselfrespectguys?

I am 100% with tyryl on this, cooloutAC. You regularly quote tier 4 and tier 3 as if they are some concrete categories that directly correlate to one's skill level. IF you TRULY believe that, for example:

"Tier 4 player is xx.xx % better than a Tier 3 player"

or something to that effect, which you clearly DO believe...

Then you are hopeless. You simply don't grasp the larger picture, this is quake, not Halo. There is no skill ceiling at all. I also agree with tyryl when he explains that anyone stuck in a tier other than 4 for more than, perhaps a few months, needs to seriously approach this game from a new angle, you are doing something wrong. Perhaps its internet, perhaps its your 20 FPS hardware that you dont realize is inadequate, I don't know.

MY POINT: If you mention tiers one more time in any of your posts, I'm going to come at you. Stop talking about tiers. Find a new angle to address your frustrations

skill lvl and tiers are two seperate numbers, maybe do more research before you post?

they are diff calculations. the skill rating which is 1-100 is not the same as the tier level which 1-4. or 1-5 in beta. and the skill rating formula was paid for and bought from another company. That has alot of experience with gambling sports and accounting. and just mathematical quantum hedge fund geniuses.......

and I certainly do believe the skilll rating system is almost completely accurate when it says i'm skill 69....lol

and the larger picture is...alts ruin the game since they stopped tier slummin in CA and removed a tier after beta.

having only 4 tiers is a fail.

and if you think quake should not have tiers. then you don't respect it like a pro athletic sport or tournament...or like any other professionaly played pc game.

those are the real whiny sore losers. selfish guys who just want to haze newbs all day. Doesn't get any more fake and lame.

I promise i won't mention tiers....if you promise to go research the diff between skill ratings and tier levels......and to NEVER EVER spread the bogus excuse that we cant' have 5 tiers in CA because there is not enough players.......

deal?

Hmm...the very fact that you know your skill level exact value speaks for itself.

hahaha really dude? serioulsy? LMAO

my skill rating actually varies between 60-80.

this is what the old t4 was.......when we had 5 tiers in beta. but after beta.......id took away a tier. and now the skill 80+ players have literally taken over t4. and most of the skill 60-80 players have left the game.

which is why if you do a /serverinfo t3 avg's skill 50, and t4 avgs skill 80.

the guys in between go back and forth and have a hard time finding competitive matches. not due to lack of players....but due to lack of servers with only players their level. which is why beta was a better expereince imo.

Wow, CooloutAC .... continuing to reinforce how delusional you truly are. Where do you find the energy to keep your fight going, and so energized? I find your blindsided ambition very curious, but nothing more than that. In my mind, I have drawn an impression of what you are like, sitting infront of your computer, and it truly puzzles me....

were you saying anything in this post or just trying to sound cool? Nice fact based argument your having with yourself....lol

so what am i delusional about? the fact that gaimtheory made the skill match system?

again....go do your research. before you come here and try to convince me or others why you should be allowed to cheat.

your probably and anonymous alt.

your probably and anonymous alt.

whats him being anonymous have to do with anything? lol god youre so dumb.

again.....another classic statement by dutra as to why this community is dead.


I know.....you think its not cheating dutra....we know..../laff.

to me its kind of telling. cause you know my motto....

ALTING IS CHEATING.

When I lose I doubt myself. I've lost to some of these players before and it just makes me so angry now that I know the truth. Cheaters don't know what sportsmanship is and lack the common sense to ever grasp it. I wish for them to be banned from every game that exists. Good riddance.

Funny. 'New' guy here named Retribution is also a waller.

April 4th 2012 registration, found ESR by april 12 with almost 400 games played. Are we suppose to believe he's "new" and not an alias of a hacker trying to have a new identity.

Are you serious ezkumbr? I am legit.

Sure you are.

I don't see a point in cheating. All passion to play would be lost. I suggest you demo me if you're convinced. I have nothing to hide.

I don't see where he's cheating. Even if he is, he's almost tier 4 at best. Looks to me like another alias which COOLOUTAC will crucify you for

Why would you call me a "hacker" if you didn't believe I cheat?

You might've been a cheater in the past with a new alias. If not then let us know your old name? Quake community is so small that we probably played atleast once or twice in the past.

http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/statistics...259031fd90

Looks fishy. People say he cheats, I dunno.
Got some sick stats anyhoo.

imurQ banned: http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/statistics/imurQ

would be interesting to know the reason behind it tho

Yeah, heaven forbid they actually specify the reason right on the account. So many things done ass-backwards there. Is it id or Texas in general?

so according to the several sources which i will not link to (google it) supposedly people have been getting banned for attempting to use the new hack release.

this MAY be the reason behind imurQ's recent ban. so an anticheat may be in the works but we'll never know for sure due to them not let disclosing information behind the account bans.

its still very possible imurQ may just have been banned due to slumming/alt accounts or something else (has happened before).

I didn't have to look it up to know there was a new hack release. You know there's a new hack release when all the old veteran players come back and make 20 alt accounts and start new clans named plus aim.....

Rofl I called it within 5 minutes.

In b4 none of us hack and it's just a coincidence we all came back and started playing quakelive again right when a new hack got released......

hahahah your such a fake tool.

lemme guess harassment? LMAO
and its just a cooncidence a tier slumming team stacking rude asshole.......no someone like that is totally honest and good for this community.......lets not ban him right?

Imurq was banned because he was shooting 40+ lg with 100-120 ping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfMksfGfvhI

Does he see him with tankjr ?

hm well dutra your right on my account being banned (imurQ), and honestly i can't tell you the reason behind it, maybe vendetta is right, i did hit 40% lg on bad dodging scrubs(which i thank them for that), so maybe they were butt hurt and made a complaint..but then again i really cant tell you why as i played my last game of the night, fell asleep, worked my 11 hour shift, came home, ate, logged in for a few seconds to see who was on, logged off 5 mins later, 6 hours after i logged back in..SURPRISE BUTTSEX..banned. interesting. I have yet to get a email of the reason or anyone to give me some sort of demo proof of whatever it is i was doing('hacking' 'harassment' etc) ..so if anyone can shine some sort of light to this was something other than accusations or ur own opinion of getting raped by me and having some sort of vendetta for me..plz let me know, and just so you know im not trying to 'hide', u can find me on my name q3ra3vet..add me if you want, got nothing to hide, and by now a lot of ppl who play CA with me know im not a idiot whos gonna 'toggle' randomly..im consistant while doing the regular human misses(gasp). For those who cry about my lg..learn from good t4 players how to dodge such as Extremerz/21 - anyways ill let the ragers slam this post but i said all that was needed..and once again thx id software for ur half assing bans without any reasoning or show of proof to me or the public. <3

Do you expect me to believe that ID has something against you? I am interested in knowing why you were banned, but I think it's obvious to everyone that it's for something bad. I wonder what it could be?

believe it or not ID has banned players for nothing more than having more than 2 alt accounts. you're especially prone to bans such as these if you're not a paying subscriber

Why would you need more than 2 accounts anyway?

one for each gametype? idk.

i used to create a bunch just to slum FFAs when the tier system was still broken. cant do that anymore since you're automatically placed in tier3.

i also know some tryhards who create separate accounts just for dueling to avoid taking a loss on their main handle. then they just practice on those alt accounts until their confident enough in their abilities to win at duel. anyways, everyone has their own reasons.

one thing i miss about q3 was that stupid shit like what alias you used didnt matter nearly as much as it does in ql.

EXPOSED

yeah, exposed for legitimately raping baddies like you. mad?

So in your opinion Creating new accounts to slum in FFA > Creating separate accounts just for dueling to avoid taking loss on their main handle? Both sounds pretty similar.... or is this trollbait for WarmInHeatwave?

So in your opinion Creating new accounts to slum in FFA > Creating separate accounts just for dueling to avoid taking loss on their main handle?

i never said that, so im not sure what you're trying to suggest. both are forms of multiple alt account abuse which are clear EULA violations.

who said anything about ID has something against me? all i said was i like how they go about banning, no proof, no notification as to why, not even shown to public nor person in question of ban. But thx for the comment, it was very useful. :-*

It's implied. Why else would you be banned for no reason?

You got caught haxoring. You probably got enough complaints that they looked at the logs from your games and saw your bot. GG. They won't tell you because they don't have to. If you draw enough heat that they have someone look through the data they can spot a bot.

It's similar to how you could catch someone replaying a defrag run like w3sp used to do when he couldn't cheat on proper defrag servers anymore. You look at the 2 runs and compare keypresses by frame. No human can replicate a defrag run perfectly down to the frame no matter how many times you practice it. Similarly there are obvious tells in the data sent to the servers that it isn't a human making the inputs. Even the "humanized super duper bots" can be found if they decide to look hard enough.

You have to really piss a bunch of people off for them to actually do that tho. You must be a real fucking douche. I mean I knew you and your friends were all haxorz within 5 minutes of playing with you but I didn't write ID about it. Anyways why don't you and your friends take a cue from w3sp - retire from the game and make some piano videos or something and maintain your innocence forever. Nobody thinks you guys are legit. Your reputations are dirt.

Oh well on to another account and more time "playing" quake live huh. Have fun there pro star.

well lets not jump to conclusions before any hard evidence appears. though it is rather odd that he coincidentally gets banned around the same time that everyone else gets banned for using the new hack release. that definitely comes off as suspect. i also dislike how id software only releases ban information to the person who's been banned (opening the possibility of that information being tampered with by that person if it should ever surface).

problem is dutra..even i didn't get any information as to why, no email at all, no one has yet to come up with any proof of anything, so yea.. nice. And for Anonymous.. unalias because ur entire post meant nothing coming from someone who had to hide to post something, just saying. <3

Everybody in prison says they're innocent too.

are you suggesting that the justice system isnt flawed? cause it is. and alot of people in prison are innocent, but thats an entirely different issue.

I'm merely pointing out the fact that when somebody is banned for cheating they aren't going to admit it. No one.

i really apreciate these threats keep postin them on esr main page they are a efficient weapon

I just gotta say it's not odd or an injustice when someone who everyone in the community thought cheated...gets banned by ID for malicious behavior. It's expected. Don't feel sorry for these people.

Speaking strictly about the people getting banned now. Not about the people in this topic. Because let's be honest. This "Exposed" nonsense is some of the worst "To Catch A Cheater" I've ever seen. I dunno if Extremerz cheats or not...but a random FFA game full of noobs who probably don't even strafe and he has 50lg and 70rail...and you're saying EXPOSED? My 6yr old niece could get those stats on some of these FFA players. Things like this ruin your credibility man. This is why everyone laughs at these threads. I appreciate anyone trying to catch cheaters, but you are going about this the wrong way.

Just a future tip. If all you have is some random game with good stats. Don't post it. Lemme go join a server with a friend, have him stand still and LG 90%...DID I JUST HACK?

I just gotta say it's not odd or an injustice when someone who everyone in the community thought cheated...gets banned by ID for malicious behavior. It's expected. Don't feel sorry for these people.

thing is, no one will ever know for certain what someone was banned for because id Software discloses very little information in that regard. its been proven time and time again that id Software also issues account bans for things other than malicious behavior, so you cant just lump everyone's account bans into the same category even IF alot of people consider that individual to be a suspicious player. my point is: if you suddenly found out that your account was banned for some random reason (harassment of players or some other minor violation), and you knew that you were an otherwise legitimate player, im sure that you'd find it a bit awkward as well. surely as a long time q3 player yourself, you can understand what something like that would do to the integrity which youve established as an honest player, so itd be wrong to paint every banned player with the same brush.

in regards to the rest of the thread, yeah most of it is just filler stuff. use ur better judgment and just take from it what you will and disregard the rest of it.

if you play below your skill rating...imo your a cheater.

I don't even know how people have fun doing that. I bet the guy was a rude alt and got EXPOSED!!!!!


the problem is this community thinks the only way to cheat/exploit the game is with aimbots.

there are many other ways to be unfair and unsportlike, which are even more detrimental to the community, and players should be suspended for it.

lol k which esr admin is approving his shit?

I want no association with CooloutAC™ but I agree with the content of this post.
To me, tier slumming is just as bad as using third party software. It hurts just as much as real cheats. People can rarely make the difference between a much better player and a hacker anyway. Don't expect the Tier 3 or less players to think "Oh I've been demolished but it's ok, this guy was only so good he should not me playing with me, he wasn't using third party software."...
Cheating the tier system isn't better than cheating the client quake live software. You're not supposed to do either of them and both lead to a significantly reduction of the fun your adversaries will have playing the game.

Same thing for other unacceptable behaviours like insulting the adversaries.

you cant cheat a tier system thats heavily flawed and open to be exploited by virtually every player in the game. for example, everyday im playing against newbs that clearly should NOT be in my tier. therefore, by your logic, those new players should also be banned, because honestly theyre reducing the fun id otherwise be having playing equally skilled players.

to keep it short and sweet: if you want someone to blame for the whole tier slumming situation, blame id Software for introducing a crap tier system that has never worked to begin with.

Tier 1 is easier than Tier 2. Tier 2 is easier than Tier 3. Tier 3 is easier than Tier 4. It works. It's not perfect : some players are indeed temporary put in a tier too easy/hard for them. But that's good enough... it's a lot better than with no tiers at all. I have ideas on how it could be improved but that requires a lot of development. Let's hope we'll see it some day. It's not a priority, however. But saying that the tier system doesn't work at all is a big fat lie and no excuse to cheating it. I'm not gonna blame id : they improved the match quality with the skillmatching, even if it could be improved even more.

On another point : yes, uptiering should be disabled just like downtiering.

saying that the tier system doesn't work at all is a big fat lie and no excuse to cheating it. I'm not gonna blame id : they improved the match quality with the skillmatching, even if it could be improved even more.

the tier system has never worked and for one no game in the history of quake has ever had a tier system or some ridiculous skill matching system, because its really unnecessary for this type of game. people need to quit bitching and just learn to lose and get better overtime like everyone else did in the past and stop coming up with ridiculous terms like "tier slumming" lol. not to mention that QL is by far the easiest most dumbed down quake game in the series as it is.

anyways, you're not cheating anything if you're simply better than most of the players placed within your own tier. there are alot of cases where certain players have been playing this game for years and have attained near-mastery aim, movement, etc, so again, this is no ones fault but id Software's for introducing a FLAWED tier system (yes im blaming them for not doing it correctly, just like a bunch of other shit theyve fucked up at doing).

also, you arent even allowed to play below your own tier anymore, so if lesser skilled players are crying about getting "slummed", then its their own fault for joining a server ranked higher than what they are. most of the players crying about tier slumming dont even bother improving their game anyways so fuck em and move on. you can always tell who the players are that are really interested in improving their game and who are the ones that are just whiners/quitters. if people ask me for help @ improving their own game, more often than not, im always willing to give them advice.

It is indeed unnecessary to have good quality matches in Quake. But it sure as hell make it lots better. Have you ever played on an unranked server? Like the devpicks? Where half the server's moving like turtles? It's only fun if the map/gamemode is something new. And even then it gets really boring shooting at easy targets and winning every time against some noobs you don't know.

Quake is a lot better when played against people slightly of your skill and the tier system does help a lot with that. The only people for who it works very bad are those who don't have many opponents of their skill level. But no system at all can help them : they'll always be raping everyone. At least they'll rape the best available.

Having a skillmatching system is an improvement for competitiveness AND for fun. I don't even understand why you want to play with worse players.

About cheating : it's cheating if you manage to play people you shouldn't be playing. If you create an account just to go frag some noobs, it's cheating. Yes, you start with the same weapons and everything. No, you shouldn't do it.

About cheating : it's cheating if you manage to play people you shouldn't be playing. If you create an account just to go frag some noobs, it's cheating.

No, its not cheating. if i wanna create another account to play a few games against lesser skilled players since theres no other servers to play on in my tier, then i should be able to do so. i've actually worked hard at getting good at this game for several years instead of bitching like the rest of u crybabies so ive earned the right to do so.

so, yes, I AM a tier slummer, a proud one. ive created a BUNCH of tier slum alt accounts as well too. ban me all you like for it. this game was already dead from the start, and its no one's fault but id's own for not improving the situation.

to ray (i know you're reading this): I support incubus's CTF tier slumming habits 100%. as far as ive known him, hes never been a dishonest player, and if you're really interested in learning from him im sure he'd be willing to help you out. QL is dead and as jones said there are only so many games us tier 4 players can get within our own tier. at times, there just arent that many of us around.

I think that you know that with your reckless attitude you hurt Quake as much as any hacker out there. It's sad that you don't care. Not liking a game is one thing, sabotaging it is another.

i dont care because id doesnt care, and they never have. theyre just a bunch of money-grubbing scam artists who have never truly appreciated their playerbase.

how many more years do we have to wait until we see an efficient tier system that actually works, an anti-cheat, better account verification to PREVENT alt account abuse?

you see, they have never actually cared about the tier slummers, hackers, etc. and the like because if they did then they wouldve taken simple measures to prevent it from happening to begin with, and whats more sad is how they continue to fool the lot of you newbs into believing theyre actually working hard on this game.

i dont know about you or if you missed the golden years of q3, but i loved playing q3, it was alot of fun and we didnt have to deal with getting banned for "tier slumming" because such a thing did not exist. the only thing you would get banned for is for pissing off important people (ie: server admins), or actually hacking, other than that people either dealt with the loss & got better or just quit the game. and that system worked for YEARS.

so to me QL is a prime example of how id Software has sabotaged a very competitive game beyond all repair and watered it down for newbs who dont even bother improving and instead come up with idiotic terms like tier-slumming to compensate for their inability to actually learn how to play the game like everyone else had to.

Because you consider id did a bad job with QL, you think the right move is to make the game worse for those who enjoy it? gg

Because you consider id did a bad job with QL, you think the right move is to make the game worse for those who enjoy it? gg

no, i just dont think anyone should be banned for something out of their control. id Software created this situation, not the players, and it could easily be improved by them and them alone if THEY cared.

now, i cant speak for everyone but i'd much rather play guys on own my level than stomp on newbs, but if thats the only option which id Software has made available for me, then so be it. i do what i have to do to get my own target practice in. thats how quake works, always has, for years. if you're a newb, expect to get raped by players who are better than you for the first couple of years until you're able to compete with them.

sorry i don't believe you dutra. Flashsoul is my fav poster right now.

you dont believe me about what?

I don't believe you join lower skilled servers because you can't find servers your own level.

that's the only time ive ever joined lower skilled servers. why else would i waste my time playing players who are significantly worse than me? ive always been about competition.

so why doesn't everybody get called out for slumming and cheating as much as you do dude?

what is it about most of the rest of the playerbase, how do they find games and avoid slumming newbs?


your obviously like skill 100 prolly from what i hear?

but only guys like you or celestial or just a handful of others are notorious for it? most of us players go back and froth between tiers. but not everybody gets flamed all the time for it.



i know what your gonna say.....its just another cooncidence and your just banned for being mean to people haha. so they make up stories about you.

so why doesn't everybody get called out for slumming and cheating as much as you do dude?

actually alot of players around my skill level who have been playing for as long as i have get accused of slumming / cheating almost every time we play in pubs, so for me its gotten to a point where it doesnt bother me anymore because ive always been a legit player in the 10 years since ive been playing q3/ql.

who? I don't know of any others as notorious as you.

Your friends probably make alts to slum.

who? I don't know of any others as notorious as you.

that's because you're stuck in tier 3.

they know me in t4 too..... see the thing is.

when i have to play t4... i don't make an alt....buaahahahaha.

you can get banned for that dude /wink.

lol, are you implying you can call people cheaters all day long, but the moment someone calls you a cheater with equally as much proof, they should be censored? hilarious.

i wasnt implying anything, and yeah i figured it was you.

why do you figure anything when hes not even on probation anymore?

he was at the time, and i thought u said trolling wasnt allowed here? you admins are always so hypocritical.

yeah, well, at least we're not cheaters

trolling is just as bad as cheating. enough to get you banned from QL apparently, better be careful sir

wrong.

about?

that you get banned from gameplay for trolling. wrong.

you can, ive been banned from gameplay for "repeated trolling and other offenses on their forums": http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/4771/dutra.png

though i suppose if you could get banned for trolling their forum mods, you could get banned for just about anything else, at their discretion.

your not getting it dude.

i'll just repeat it once. again....you must really believe to yourself, that its just a cooncidence you hang out with hackers and are a notorious slum lord.......and always getting called out.

just a cooncidence. id told you w/e easiest excuse to get rid of you.

and once again......unless it was sexual or racist, which says alot about your character and sportsmanship anyways..... that would be like getting banned from playing hockey for fighting.

its always been a part of quake.


and the ql forum mods are just as bad as you bro everyone knows this. Your prolly one of their aliases, i still find it curious how your not permanently banned.

why is that dude?

well it sounds to me like you still havent accepted the fact that ive never cheated once in my career, and that there are actually legitimate, good players in this game who have been playing for years. so instead of providing any type of concrete information to back up what you say, you just harass players who are better than you by making up false claims about them without any merit or credibility whatsoever.

slumming newbs and making alts is cheating, fake and rude.


your delusional and not a part of normal society if you think otherwise.

slumming newbs and making alts is cheating, fake and rude.

in your opinion.

your the one in denial not me.

Dude you are a shining example of a the pot calling the kettle black where it pertains to attitude and unsportsmanlike conduct.

Case in point. I have played under the names FragJooSki and L0RDKR3M for years. I added you to my friend's list on L0RDKR3M when I was relatively new to Quake Live. DEA is an old IFT clan from Q3A that I rebooted for Quake Live. We have players of all skill levels and quite a few that are very good players.

You hop on the server the other day, accuse me of being an alt, accuse all DEA of being alts, and guess what? Maybe some of us are. I'm not even that good but I'm still better than you. Do I rub that in your face? Have I ever trash talked you?

I have never done any of these things, but you badmouthed me and all of DEA on the server. Take your whiny noob butt somewhere where anyone cares because your are by far the biggest damn hypocrite.

I came on here to see why imurQ was banned because I personally think it's ridiculous, but instead see you posting all over the place as if you're some kind of model Quake community citizen when you're nothing but a trash talking hypocrite bashing players that are better than you left and right.

Alting is not worse than cheating. I work a lot of hours yet still try to find time to practice and get better. I get bumped up to tier 4 and some days I'm ok and some days I can't compete at all. Does this mean I'm tier slumming in 3 or that I'm just not ready for 4 yet? Should I be bumped to 4 when I'm LG'ing with 35+ accuracy solely based on that when I can't even strafe jump or dodge well enough yet to be a good defensive player?

Personally, I don't care. I don't know why I bothered to reply to your garbage, but you have no right talking about sportsmanship or conduct when your own conduct is in question by a lot of players aside from myself.

We would all love to see a demo or condump of Coolout raging on a server. Can you provide us with said material?

OH god. Hahaha. I just read this and sorry for the late response. Add him as a friend and follow him into a game. You can even make a betting pool on it to see how long it takes. =D

wow did i burn them with that last post. tks admin. doust some fire on their heart there i feel it haha.

try again dutra.

"the tier system has never worked and for one no game in the history of quake has ever had a tier system or some ridiculous skill matching system, because its really unnecessary for this type of game. people need to quit bitching and just learn to lose and get better overtime like everyone else did in the past and stop coming up with ridiculous terms like "tier slumming" lol. not to mention that QL is by far the easiest most dumbed down quake game in the series as it is."

as flashsoul has said its not perfect but is better then nothing, and is the reason half of us are even playing quake.

"anyways, you're not cheating anything if you're simply better than most of the players placed within your own tier. there are alot of cases where certain players have been playing this game for years and have attained near-mastery aim, movement, etc, so again, this is no ones fault but id Software's for introducing a FLAWED tier system (yes im blaming them for not doing it correctly, just like a bunch of other shit theyve fucked up at doing). "

if your purposely faking your skill matching to play newbs and show how much better you are then them....your a cheater.

"also, you arent even allowed to play below your own tier anymore, so if lesser skilled players are crying about getting "slummed", then its their own fault for joining a server ranked higher than what they are. most of the players crying about tier slumming dont even bother improving their game anyways so fuck em and move on. you can always tell who the players are that are really interested in improving their game and who are the ones that are just whiners/quitters. if people ask me for help @ improving their own game, more often than not, im always willing to give them advice. "

dude i see a week old accounts in most my games now. come on dude. did they stop peoples ratings from going down when they are coming off a layoff? they didn't even admit that existed before. and hell yes stop people from tiering up. why would you want that ? Owning newbs to me is boring and unmotivating.....again...you want them to tier up to show much better you are then them? thats suspect man i'm sorry.

and again if your bannedd 4 times already how are you not permabanned dude? lol

i would explain how this entire post is crap from start to finish, but you dont even know how to properly make a reply so ive decided its not worth my time.

I'd just like to point out playing at a lower tier is unavoidable sometimes for the players at the top of the food chain. There just isn't enough good players to keep everyone in their own skill level all the time, especially with a game that has no skill cap.

When I talk about tiers, it's about the four QL tiers, not the "real absolute" skill every player has. Of course pro players will be obliged to play against worse opponents, but only those within the limit of their QL tier. Does anyone really *need* to play on a lower QL tier to be able to play at all?

Does anyone really *need* to play on a lower QL tier to be able to play at all?

if there's hardly any players within your own tier (which happens often in tier4 NA), then yes.

infact, im willing to bet that almost every experienced q3 vet who has been playing this game continously has created atleast one or two alt accounts, if not more, just to play a game in a lower tier because they couldnt find games within their own. itd be almost impossible not to as some days youd find no populated servers within your tier at all.

nah son, i havent created any alt accounts to drop my tier and rape newbs cuz its fucking boring to shit all over scrubs, if there are no ca games, i go play ctf, no ctf i play duel, all versus my own tier or vs ppl that can fight back

who the fuck plays scrubs that cant even strafe jump or rocketjump? shits mad boring, maybe you enjoy that cuz u suck at quake but not me brah.

i dont even get accused of slumming cuz if i randomly get tossed into a low tier game by accident i rage the entire other fucking team and next game i get vote kicked for cheats as i am fucking nasty at quake.

u slummin guys are funny, sure i dont like a shitty newb on my team but i carry them to victory instead of being a lame fuck denying shuffles and making alt accounts to rack up easy kills, naw'meen?

lol celestial

I disagree.... thats the same myth that got t5 removed after beta driving away half the players.

give it up man. well especially now after this big update theres even less players....but there is still always a t4 ca game playing.

it would be better if you t4 guys would vote more then 4 man teams...lmao. team stacking wussies most of them.

what about yz50

yz50 is a pro gamer.

so when we will see pro yz500 at some LAN? xD

He's a LAN proven TF2 pro. I've played TF2 with him many times. He's legit.

he was at quakecon last year

Not sure if it was said anywhere else, but Incubus isn't 2ero. I saw them in a server together the other day (and no, I don't know who 2ero actually is even though we're both in .403.)

incubus and mrgreen are both tierslummers, which according to cooloutac and raythenoob, is cheating, so i put it in the OP for lulz. both are decent players tho

Well, im going to be uploading a fraps CA match of me tonight, take from it what you wish, but its all there to see, honestly can care less about kids and guys with 'elitist' mentality who feel they can't be outplayed by someone, enjoy or hate the video, imurQ ( i. make. u. rage. .Quit)™ <3. I will post the link to it soon, it will be uploaded on youtube. For those who might take back their assumptions about me cheating after watching my in-game video, i do not hold no grudges and would gladly accept your friend requests and play/practice with you, if you still think otherwise, well to each their own <3 --- update -- here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K55urP1I18o

Just one match doesn't mean that you weren't cheating before. There's nothing you can do to completely clear your name. By the way, why did it take you this long to publish this?

work,criminal justice exams, soaking up the 85 degree weather in new york city, so this wasn't my main priority to get up asap, but its up and will be adding more videos..might stop it at 10-15 videos unless requested for more.

http://youtu.be/yC-Ev-SJSPQ?hd=1

Cam POV of me hitting 95% rail. Demo/stats in description. Yes it's on CTF4 but raytheknob is including these types of games in his body of proof against me supposedly "hacking".

Dutra and Rob keep up the good work, but adding me in this bullshit is comical guys. Take it easy.

blurred vision, bad lightning, music. you sir know how to make videos.

only thing missing is slow motion.

Did the enemy team even know where the RG is? I don't think any of them got it that whole time.

as much as i hate to burst a lot of peoples bubble...my account was unbanned and was given a apology. Here is a brief insight to what happened..and as Fragjooski said before..imurQ_ and imurQ are two diff people..1 being a flaming idiot who took the time to get a pro subscription and bot with 95 LG on a public server.. anywhos..

Email Reply from Qlive support on asking them to tell me the reason why i was banned ----

Hello,

Name Tag: imurQ, imurQ_
Account Action: Permanent Account Closure
Offense: Use of third party software to obtain an unfair advantage within the game.

This account has recently been involved in actions deemed inappropriate for QUAKE LIVE by the In-Game Support staff. This decision was made after a thorough investigation of the situation as a whole.

For further information, please review the QUAKE LIVE policies and Terms of Use Agreement. We understand that these policies may seem harsh, but they are in place to ensure that every player is able to fully enjoy their time in QUAKE LIVE. Thank you in advance for respecting our position.

The QUAKE LIVE Abuse Support Team
Sasparillo

Now..here is my response -----

I noticed you put Name Tag: imurQ , and more specifically..imurQ_ <-- which i NEVER used, and was a idiot who was using a bot to hit 95 LG and rail, we are NOT the same person, nor had the same IP's. I would please like to ask again to do a further research on that as i am NOT imurQ_ , just imurQ, Thank you for reading this.

Now here is their response to that ----

Hello,

After reviewing your account again, we have verified that you are not imurQ_. I'm not really sure why that connection was made previously, but we have unbanned your account, and you should be able to play again.

The QUAKE LIVE Abuse Support Team
Sasparillo

Now if you dont believe this and feel as if i just typed this out..feel free to check my imurQ profile..no ban on it..I would like to thank the people who were on my side..but more so thank the people who felt i was a hacker 100%..with 0% proof..you sure made my day..Now im leaving this alone, and remove me from your list..unless ur pride is too hurt. <3 - imurQ

The imurQ_ ban happened 2 months before the imurQ ban, It seems strange that Sasparillo would wait 2 months to associate a 2010 account with a 1 day banned account 2 months after the fact.

Coincidentally Celestial also took a 4 month sabbatical on his Pro account.

Saturday Oc 31, 2010 imurQ account creation
Sunday Feb 26, 2012 imurQ_ account creation
Sunday Feb 26, 2012 imurQ_ account ban
Sunday Apr 8, 2012 Ruthless1986 account creation
Sunday Apr 29, 2012 imurQ account ban
Sunday May 6, 2012 hitscanruth/_imurQ account creation
Friday Aug 31, 2012 imurQ account re-instated after 4 month Pro account Suspension

I totally agree with Canadian on this. Why would they ban the real imurq after 2 months from banning the fake one. imurq just used this oppurtunity to build up confusion upon the id team and to his advantage got himself unbanned from it.

Even a kid could see that from miles away not to insult id's in any ways but I don't think they really care if someone hacked or not.

You got banned? Just send them an email with some kind of argument that takes time to look at and your account should be unbanned in the next 24 hours. Remember iNstiN ? The excuse? His brothers hacked. He then got the green checkmark for being legit after that. How ridiculous.

For the ones who got banned with solid evidences such as zeroql, then too bad for you. Its your fault, you're probably still playing the game under a new aliase and a new MAC address or hack in a different game.

I'm not certain why people think imurq hacks anyway. His accuracy is pretty good, but you don't need to hack to achieve that. I vaguely remember somebody saying he shoots 40 LG with 80 ping, or something. If that's your argument then I think hacking is pretty ridiculous conclusion to come to. If you can't hit 40% then 1) there is something wrong with your technique or 2) your opponent has really good dodging. I'm pretty sure I can hit over 40% in 100-120 ping scenarios with a little timenudge. That being said, anybody can be cheating at anytime in this game. I don't know him and you can't really trust anybody. I figured if id banned him then they must be right, but if they weren't it wouldn't be the first time they've made a mistake.

nobody asked you how to lg 40+ with 120 ping. Accuracy don't mean shit in this game when you can toggle or see through walls, you can still hit below 30. imurq is a hacker, end of story. Just by knowing the fact that he have like 10+ alias on quakelive, hangs around known hackers such as boogyman/symmetry, naotablows/stressrap, fractals/peterpan and quite a few others shady players.

Going around while copy pasting the emails that you've got with id won't persuade anyone, at least not me.

I agree that nobody asked how I do that. However, the reason I mentioned it is because if the accusation against imurq is that he had 40+ LG with high ping then it's completely bogus. For all I know he could be hacking, but to be honest I really don't give a damn. He won't be the first or the last.

I love how you say known hackers as if you know that Boogyman is Symmetry and as if you know that Symmetry was banned for hacking. Despite that, a lot of people were banned for hacking that shouldn't have been. That is why there is an anti-cheat system in place now. I just hope that they rely on that as opposed to continuing the ban people based on speculation and opinion.

As far as lg'ing someone with 40% accuracy and an 80 ping goes, I can LG at 40% with an 80 ping and I suck with the lightning gun. While I can't do it each and every time, I have been practicing with imurQ, extremerz, sisemen, burn, schizm, celestial, and many others that know what they're doing and offer great advice which has helped me tremendously and I'm even able to keep them from beating me 10-0 now which wasn't the case a couple of months ago.

If half of the people that call everyone a hacker would actually take the time to sit in an eye to eye server to practice LG against these guys and ask for their insight as much as they take the time to write these ridiculous posts, they could look forward to being on Vile's suspected cheaters list instead of whining all the time.

Regardless of how this happened, it happened and id Software admitted they made a mistake. This is most likely because the trolls on here pointed out that imurQ was still playing despite the fact that imurQ_ was banned. That would be my best guess, but regardless id Software investigated the matter and admitted their mistake.

I'm not sure why you're trying to ruin the league for everyone or sabotage our efforts to have fair and competitive game play, but this really has to stop. You have not only gone and passed off your opinions as doctrine, but you've done so on public forums ( this message board, Teamspeak, etc) and your actions have caused a lot of problems for clans aside from my own that are trying to have fun as well as expand and get sponsorship.

If you had been more patient and professional, the new anti-cheat system which has already banned a great number of players would've cleared his name on it's own. This was a discussion that should not have left the admins. There are a few people in the league that I suspect are cheating, but as a league official I'm certainly not going to jump into Teamspeak and call them all out and try to get the support of whoever will listen to me solely based on the fact that I am in love with my own voice.

I like you CANADIAN, but a lot of us just don't feel like we can trust you anymore. I'd actually addressed this with some of the admins before about me not feeling like you could keep your mouth shut because you love drama way too much. Part of that was your determination to find out who each alias in the clan was. If that was meant to be a ruling and it was that important to you, you should have brought it up with me privately or in an admin meeting instead of causing all of the problems you've caused. It's sad to see you go as an admin, but this just isn't a responsibility we can trust you with. In addition to that, perhaps you should take another look at the rules, because at the rate you're going, you're facing league suspension:

"Members will treat each other with respect at all times. No member will use comments about nationality, age, gender, race, religious belief, or sexual orientation to insult others.
Members will exhibit good sportsmanship at all times. There will be no taunting, harassing, or unsportsmanlike conduct verbally, written or any other means."

Come on. It was clear from the start.
http://www.esreality.com/post/2261346/world-f...pid2261462
That's what he does. Don't expect him to change.

Watched that video. Pretty ridiculous. I mean it picks up from one point, but it obviously misses the seconds leading up to entering that room and catching a glimpse of someone or hearing footsteps go to hide behind that block.

I understand that it's what he does and he has an obsession, but when he acts like he's the only expert on detecting cheats and the rest of us are clueless despite years of playing these games just as long if not longer than him, it becomes a problem. It becomes a greater problem when id software clears somebody, and he throws all of this conjecture out there and theories as to why id software really shouldn't have cleared said player.

If he'd kept it to himself or just talked to me or any other league admin or even called an admin meeting, it would be one thing, but he's gone out of his way to sow hostility in the league even if that wasn't his intention by using competitors that are trying to have fun, twisting the facts, and berating the intelligence of anyone who disagrees with him. If he's not berating someone's intelligence, he politely finds a way to suggest their a liar without coming out and saying it or that they're hiding something merely because they don't agree with him.

L0rdkr3m/ Fragjooski/Kevin.....my post was factual stating the timeline of the imurq_ and imurQ bans and pointing out that there is a 2 month disconnect between the bans. Do you not think it seems strange that Sasparillo would wait 2 months to associate a day old account ban with a 2 year current account?

My decision to leave the WFL concerned players with banned accounts which deals with "Ban evasion". My position is that players with previously banned accounts are under "Ban evasion" and should be ineligible to play in a competitive league in a game platform they have been banned from if and when it comes to the knowledge of the "admins" organizing that league. Coincidentally all these accounts were under your DEA team as:

1. Hitscanruth - Ruthless1986/ imurQ
2. Penfield - Sisemen/Powerstyler/???
3. Rudeaim - Boogeyman
4. mrtorture - Celestial

Some of these pro accounts you have admittedly purchased by yourself to play for DEA under alias and you have refused to be forthcoming on the identities of who these aliases were for the past 10 weeks. imurQ was a banned account and played several league matches under Hitscanruth while under a "Ban evasion" account with your knowledge as both a WFL team capatain as well as a WFL admin. The Penfield account is now banned as I have been recently informed by schizm for having multiple players using that account. Do you also advise that Penfield remain on the league roster while the anti-cheat system clears his name as well? Perhaps another 4 months??

As you are now a WFL admin and the DEA team captain, do you not see a "conflict of interest" in your actions to date? Knowingly stacking your DEA team with aliases who have a reputation for previous account bans seems contrary to any perception of "fair play" or is that your idea of "fun". Compounding that with a refusal to divulge who these aliased players were that were hitting 60% rail accuracy did nothing to mitigate this in your position as a WFL admin.

A league suspension for pointing out inconsistencies in your story-line while you continue to field players under "ban evasions" and administer the WFL? Further attempts to hush me up will be pointless as I removed that possibility by leaving the WFL. Discrediting me seems your only option.

lol a canadian

CANADIAN I am making no attempt to discredit you. The problem is you've suggested that I intentionally recruited players that YOU think have banned accounts. Penfield has been unbanned. Boogyman and Celestial are not banned. imurQ is not banned. That's pretty much the sum of it.

what cracks me up is the fact you think aliasing is ok when we have tiers, skill matching and a stat system.

all those players you mentione RUIN this playerbase, EVEN WORSE THEN, whether they are botting or not. And that is the sad ignorance in this community.

thats all we need to know about you dude. I for one don't need a demo to know your a scumbag...sorry.....

you mention the word league but have no sports sense at all and don't take quake seriously.

CooloutAC. You act like any of the players that had aliases were tier slumming. None of them were and of them they would be bored to tears playing tier 3. Hell, I'm bored to tears playing tier 3 and I'm not even that great of a tier 4 player.

As far as sports sense goes, I played on championship teams growing up in baseball, basketball, and football and even played semi-pro baseball prior to a shot to play for my home town team's (Detroit Tigers) minor league division.

I take Quake and competition very seriously and always have. I also take my own game very seriously and have practiced with a lot of my clan members to work on my lightning gun which is my primary drawback in Quake.

So I recruit players that are effective in the game. There is no crime in that. Also as a result of the league wanting to know who some of our player's aliases are, we have let everyone know. There are no smoke and mirrors here and we just want to compete and have fun.

You've drawn a lot of conclusions CooloutAC and it's disappointing that you did so without even bothering to talk to me about it. You were on my friend's list and I enjoyed playing with you until one day out of the blue you just got on my ass for no reason and started bashing me and my clan. The only thing you've proven is that you don't know anything about me or my clan, and just like to cause drama.

Anyone with an alias is fake.

Ok lemme put it a nice way... i always get flamed for being too harsh and dramatic.

In QL we have stats and a skill matching system that EVERY new account undermines.Whether they are botting or not.

Furthermore, NOT every alt account bots or slums.....but ALMOST ALL, by a large degree, most slum lords and bots are alts.

and its that simple, or does everyone follow egotistical Lorfa's ignorant arrogant motto trying to sound smart with:

"If its too simple it can't be true"


To end this, the older the account the better it is for the community because of how more accurate the stats and skill assessment will be. For people who think that stats are in accurate because people get better....I say maybe you don't pay attention to enough stats....because it is exactly why we need stats. The more records the better for more accurate assessments to red flag cheaters who get good overnight and to better accurately determine a persons skill rating.

Stats are how pro players make money, and takes games their highest popular heights.

Stats mean jack and shit. There are plenty of good players out there that make money off of shitty stats. Why? Because they're excellent at item control and can win. id Software also allows players within their own TOS to have more than one account.

Furthermore, it is not your job to red flag anyone. Your red flags do nothing but stir up a bunch of drama and get a lot of decent players harassed. id Software's anti-cheat system is doing a fine job of banning players for hacks finally.

In other words, if they're on the suspected cheater's list, have played a few games in the past month, and their account is not yet banned, odds are in their favor that they are legit regardless of what you or anyone else has to say about it.

"Stats mean jack and shit. There are plenty of good players out there that make money off of shitty stats. Why? Because they're excellent at item control and can win. id Software also allows players within their own TOS to have more than one account."

Noone is making money off of shitty stats you fake little fkn nerd. Maybe your confused about how many fkn players cheat in this game you gullible ass. I fkn despise you right now. And ya they let you make TWO accounts....not more then that....DERRRRRP!

"Furthermore, it is not your job to red flag anyone. Your red flags do nothing but stir up a bunch of drama and get a lot of decent players harassed. id Software's anti-cheat system is doing a fine job of banning players for hacks finally."

Ya i'm sure ID listens to me...hahah thats so cute. And fkn id has always expected community members to demo cheaters....as if its our job. Which has banned more players then any anti-cheat program. I fkn agree it aint my job, but unfortunately id is not doing enough to keep this game popular and I'm voicing my opinions to shine light on the issues. Plus, like i said in another post, there is a reason your clan is getting harassed and not other clans with even more so called "highly skilled" players. why do you think that is????

"In other words, if they're on the suspected cheater's list, have played a few games in the past month, and their account is not yet banned, odds are in their favor that they are legit regardless of what you or anyone else has to say about it. "

So why would they get harassed but not other players who are even better? why is that? why doesn't every good player get on that list, why only your clan members? You think cause people are spreading rumours about them? and it has nothing to do with the fact that some of them are new account names? or that they pad stats to slum or otherwise? ya ok bud....

You're really boring....

Celestial is in your little group, too? You are trying to recruit hackers, then?

L0rdkr3m/ Fragjooski/Kevin, We've been through this in teamspeak. Scroll up to your post on this thread May 5th, 2012 where you posted;

"I came on here to see why imurQ was banned because I personally think it's ridiculous, but instead see you posting all over the place as if you're some kind of model Quake community citizen when you're nothing but a trash talking hypocrite bashing players that are better than you left and right."

That establishes you new imurQ was banned May 5th. The next day, May 6th you purchase the Hitscanruth pro account and add it to the DEA roster.

June 14th, you submit Hitscanruth for WFL league play.

How is it possible you can claim you did not intentionally recruit banned players into WFL league play?

We went over this in Teamspeak as well CANADIAN. i'd told you that imurQ was a member of the clan long before the ban on his account. I'd also told you that I knew the reason he was banned was because they linked him to imurQ_ which is why I decided to pay for his new account. id Software confirmed my suspicions when they lifted his ban. I also said on Teamspeak that this was probably not the best decision that I made, but what do you know? I was right.

So no I did not intentionally recruit banned players into WFL league play. He was on my clan roster long before he was banned, he was added to the new DEA roster when I dumped the old DEA clan because I wanted to change the DEA tag, and yes I kept him on the roster after the ban. I knew without question that the reason he was banned had to do with the imurQ_ account and id software admitted their mistake. Case closed.

SO He DID pay for his account back.....

no wonder imurq never fkn replied back when i accused him of that....

you didn't have to pay 100 dollars like Krailed did ya? hahahah.

tks for Confirming.

Yo dude can you get me a nice paying job? hahaha. can i get a fkn loan? You must got loads of money man. haha.

We didn't pay shit to get his account back. Just another email. How much money I have is none of your business. Get a job instead of crying on the boards about your boring life all the time and maybe you'll have some money too.

You don't know me. I just bought bf3...to play on my fancy graphics card.....fuck paying for anything to do with quake.


But i know you. your a cheater fuck.. go buy another account for a fkn cheater. You disgusting piece of fake dogshit! Guys like you make me fkn sick.

You don't know me. People that know me know how to spell you're.

YOUR such a cool nerd.

YOUR not only good at english....but I bet u know how to edit a cfg so very awesomely all by yourself for such a great advantage. You super duper computer programmer you.

Thanks man. It's about time you recognized.

21?

I'm disappointed, mate.

Can we look into FFSmasher as a hacker. I dueled him a few times and he seems to be rail toggling.

This is what happens when new school newbs face old school talent. He does not hack, he knows almost all rail angles in a map and makes full use of it. Try to apply some brain before making a hack complaint.

"I totally agree with Canadian on this. Why would they ban the real imurq after 2 months from banning the fake one. imurq just used this oppurtunity to build up confusion upon the id team and to his advantage got himself unbanned from it."


The ip's didn't match up to those accounts - Canadian has always thought anyone that trounces him is hacking....He was CONVINCED that aXema was wallhacking/toggling, then aXema goes on to win the Quakecon Open Duel Cup LOL!

FFFSmasher is an old old school player from clan track 5 back in the days of OSP tdm and CPMA tdm. He is a shell of his former self...be lucky your only rail raped.

Scz.....the IP's don't match up on any account imurQ plays under. He certainly can't use the same imurQ IP that was banned to play under Ruthless1986 or his Hitscanruth account. Non matching IP's don't mean much due to dynamic IP assigned by various ISPs as well as some players playing from multiple locations such as work, home or during out of town trips such as Quakecon etc.....You yourself have admitted to having several previously banned accounts so you do know how to change IP's and other identifications to evade a ban.

Who mentioned Axema?? If you mean that private email I sent you SCZ with the supporting demo where I asked you why he was shooting 3 rockets at walls at the 5 minute mark on Asylum in a public server, you only responded that he won the Quakecon Open and seemed to ignore the demo altogether. I subsequently instructed you to view that demo with Wolfcamql with and without /cg_wh 1/0. Again, all in private email. Why you have to bring Axema into this discussion is beyond me as he has never been banned and is not playing on an alias account to my knowledge.

It seems strange that your EXPOSED forum is all based on conjecture, hearsay and stats manipulation without any supporting demos and yet when I provide you privately with a demo questioning a player, I am now deemed the one making unsupportable comments albeit in private emails.

"It seems strange that your EXPOSED forum is all based on conjecture, hearsay and stats manipulation without any supporting demos and yet when I provide you privately with a demo questioning a player, I am now deemed the one making unsupportable comments albeit in private emails."

This cracks me up to hear this coming from you Canadian, it really does.

CANADIAN...

Your concerns were noted when they were first addressed. I've made every effort to ensure there are no cheaters in my clan as well as make things a bit more transparent for players who were complaining about the aliases in the league. Admittedly, I didn't see the major problem being that I myself aliased as FragJooSki in the AZFL days, but then again most people knew this was an alias and knew who they were playing against.

With that being said, and me rethinking my decision to have a certain amount of privacy in DEA, I decided for league play to give our competitors the information they'd requested and was very cooperative throughout.

Despite this, you have made every effort to smear me, my clan, and the league in general when your own conduct was called into question. We should be able to compete and have fun without this kind of drama and if you had personal issues with me, you could've addressed them with me or in an admin meeting. Instead you took it upon yourself to start running your yap everywhere you could and to anyone who would listen without any care or concern for the repercussions of your actions.

This is not how grown men behave and certainly not the conduct that would be expected from a league official. I have done nothing to you personally to warrant these attacks and have done all that was requested of me to make things right as well as squash some of the rumors that resulted from this.

I'm sure that everyone in the Quake universe who knows you, knows that you have an opinion. We just don't all appreciate having it crammed down our throats when we're trying to have fun. I'm 35 years old and my first FPS was on a Commodore 64. Gaming however, is not my life. If it was, I'm sure I'd be a far better player than I am. I have a family, a very demanding job, and other responsibilities that outweigh my concern as to whether or not you can sleep at night.

I don't know why you would bring axema on this. He's been around since 2008. imurq/s0ular/hitscanruth/booz on the other hand has something to hide and that's a fact. You don't need to clarify anything for him. Just another cockroach like celestial.

only if it says 2008 on his ql profile and his LG or even overall accuracy isn't over 40%.

will i maybe believe you haha.

40% is pretty low to set the bar considering I'm hitting that at times with LG and only have 60hz to work with. Not that I have the best gear anyway, and I'm questioning whether or not I should go optical instead of laser, but bitching about 40% is pretty ridiculous when I'm sure I could make a few upgrades, practice and hit 40lg fairly consistently bring my rail up to at least 55-60, and my rockets are usually in the 60 mark anyway. Being that I use primarily those 3 weapons, are you going to be calling me a hack in a few months too?

Rhetorical question. You already think I'm a hack because anyone better than you obviously is. =p

we already said ur the leader of a cheaters clan dude. why are u bragging about hitting over 40% lg. haha. your fkn too much dude. fkn delusional crazy bastard.

Theres a reason this game is dead. keep telling urself its the learning curve. I bet you only play noobs to get that accuracy...... I can hit over 40% on fkn t1's but that doesn't make me cool....

no matter how anonymous you think u are....humans have a third eye. Your clan is obvious. so obvious it hurts to watch u defend it.

dea and vdp, besides Khz are the only clans i ever shun. maybe one i'm forgetting. but we talking out of a couple dozen clans dude. and most of them are t4 man. they might all be dickheads, but at least they aren't generally suspect bot alt accounts known for slumming on newbs and braggin about it.

I never even talk shit about a clan and never will, i won't mention names, who has had a couple members threaten my life, block me, most boot me from servers as soon as they see me. or the d/c as soon as i join hahah. but its all good cause generally that clan does not alt or bot and is not known as slum lords.

Come test my LG acc any time bro. Thunderstruck? ;) Oh wait. Sorry you said I could only hit that on noobs, so I guess this would prove nothing. =p

Oh wait your the leader of a hacker clan. Your prefer small teamsized private matches. You buy new accounts for people that are banned. You condone alt accounts.

Ya no tks i only duel legit players. Telling me to 1v1 you on thunderstruck is exposing enough dude. Your fake.

Lame excuse from someone who has always been my fragbait since I started playing Quake Live. That's not saying a lot either since I suck at this game.

Your such a competitive player..../sarcasm. Find another sucker to own. sorry to disappoint.

Canadian you crack me up its comical


I have over 11 accounts banned all for the simple fact of tier slumming (is what they say). Most of those accounts were made to slum CA noobs, yes, but some were made to just duel/tdm etc without being harassed which is ironic since I play QL now soley for the fact of trolling. I made an account : vishnewbie that was the name of a kid that died, I didn't believe he was really dead and made the account. ID didn't care for it and I got my spanking


Me and Alien formed L0D out of the love of the game (mind you we were on Sega Dreamcast using controllers). I bring up axema because it still to this day is LOL. When you have played these maps for over a decade there isn't an angle or thought of where a player might be that hasn't been seen/done.

The people we go after on the exposed forums are some hearsay but it's alot of opinions of those that have played this game and have a good sense of being shady or not.

BTW I believe my name on the DEA roster is listed as schizm

Hack Live.

Scz, are you in a race with Dutra to see who can get the most quakelive accounts banned eva??? I see his RdBok one just joined the other banned accounts.

You must be the Yoda of Ban evaders and you probably have a ban evasion script bound to a function key. I do see your schizm account listed on DEA roster but you neglected to mention the pucK_ and Penfield accounts. Of course Penfield has multiple personalities since it is a shared account and could be you, dutra, sisemen, syncore, zach golpe, tzee....and god knows who else.

I know you still enjoy playing FT but you never seem to hook up with us anymore...if you can round up KGB, Matteuz, Br1ck, Outlaw, Icelore, Alien and whoever we could organize weekly scrims where I try and put a lineup to beat your OP stacked crew. Make it like a King of the Hill 4v4 FT affair. Just make sure they are all old skule....no more damn aliases!!!

I am amused. Carry on.

^^^ stfu celestial

Schizm is hilarious. If he left, I probably would stop slumming CA myself.

emerkaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

"You must be the Yoda of Ban evaders and you probably have a ban evasion script bound to a function key. I do see your schizm account listed on DEA roster but you neglected to mention the pucK_ and Penfield accounts"



LoL @ Yoda and ban evasion script LOLOOL


and what does pucK and myself and penfield have to do with anything? I have known puck since our SEGA Dreamcast days and penfield is some random idiot that krem recruited

Sega Dreamcast quakelive was a failure....because a couple hackers with mouse and keyboard....dominated everyone out of the game.

research that shit. this guy just exposed himself. It Literally! killed the game. fps gaming in general is never gonna be popular with developers who leave fair play regulation up to the communities themselves..... Just get out of the fkn business.

reminds me of a friend like the guy making a new fps shooter. Guys are fkn clueless.. nothing matters about your fucking game nerds except the fair play. My friend wanted to have people level up their characters attributes too...hahah another closet map making clueless nerd. Its a god dam shame pussies like that are the only ones in the industry.

Couldn't find sales on that one (dc q3), but over the years I've seen on the interwebz an awful lot of people talking about it and it also is a spectacular game. Cross compatible online multiplayer, mouse and keyboard support, great exclusive maps, awesome interface and menus,, etc. Probably that's the best game id software ever released.

In racing games all good players use a racing wheel because that's the way the game should be played, not because it is advantageous. Same with Q3 on dc.
LFS is a funny example since there was a time using keyboard+mouse was an advantage rofl.

Have you played CoD once? Since cod4 that level0 players are on a disadvantageous position because of unlocking weapons, perks, etc. Does that mean they failed? To this day cod4 remains one of the most sold better rated games of all time, and still is healthy competition wise (promod, regulated by the community).

Only other game better then COD is BF3.

I laugh when industry dudes think we are making fucking choices...when we fucking have none. we just lab rats in a maze.


Unfortunately COD and BF3 is all there fucking is genius. WE HAVE NO CHOICE>

the reasons BF3 is a dead game by comparison.. Is because of the extremely quakelike learning curve(you quake players like to use this excuse alot) People are just impatient when learning to use vehicles. and Its heavily relied on teamplay.

also You need a decent quad core cpu and DX11 card to get decent fps, which most people are not buying especially in this recession.

lol it's not a recession. In my life there's been like 20 economic crisis. And bf3 is not dead by any means.

it might not be dead as quake. but only a couple dozen servers with 28-64 players?

I can count that on my hand.....for all of fkn North America. Thats fkn sad dude. no way DICE is even making money on the pc version.

Its way more popular on consoles dude. They made the pc version cause they love the pc....that can be the only reason. And they want to push the innovation in graphics and sounds.

It died for the same reasons.......xbox live and windows live never converged. Microsoft studied the issues in 2007and scrapped the plans for a reason my dude.

mouse and keyboard players dominate standard controllers. Studies have shown...the very worst kb players....dominated the shit out of the very best game controller players.

it was so disgusting and disheartening Microsoft scrapped the plans for windows live and xbox live.

Not only that......PC players find more to exploit and hack dude. It would ruin their industry. Just like scumbags like on this forum have ruined the pc gaming industry.

sure, but if the game allows the usage of a different device then it is not cheating. A player that uses a ball mouse is in disadvantage against a 500/1000hz frankenmouse.

Cheats don't ruin games. The only thing that destroys it is not having enough sells, and cheaters don't have the slightest bit of influence on that.

hahahaha cheaters don't have influence on that? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA

You just described one main reason consoles are more popular.

this forum paints a bleak picture for game developers in the future. You all should hang yourselves now and get it over with.

do you really think anyone goes to the shop and rethink about purchasing bf3 because there's an article on the interwebz about cheaters? do you really think people buy consoles because of cheaters on pc games?

In ql's case, which is played by...no one so it isn't applicable to the whole industry, it is cheap asses excuse not to buy a subscription. Now we have an anticheat and they say they don't have a credit card, then that gets solved too and now say they don't like the game and rotation and tiers and whatnot.
Fact is most people will never pay to play quake live because that's how they are, but a portion of them might if forced enough. Plenty of examples in f2p games. I think QL should be more restricted than what it is because now you don't have a single good reason to pay for it.

an article about cheaters?


hahahahah yout hink people are reading articles about i?t... and they can't tell by just playing the game?. You non gaming little fake cretin quake player.

hahah so naive.


I'll give you an example. In BC2 they had spotting behind walls. Now they removed the spotting behind walls. and there is dozens of guys who go 50-5 K/D ratio. shit you never saw in bc2 ever. Guys would dominate maybe going 25-5 not like 50 even 80-5 K/d ratio. guys who know where the fk you are all the time

Now i guess a little redneck fool like you would say thats just a cooncidence. But to an avid gamer like me...its fkn obvious what is going on with this game.

BF3 only has a couple dozen servers in Northamerica populated with 30-64 players. that is it. Its not much more popular then quake unfortunately.

only fps games that are popular on the pc are css and tf2. not even cod is popular on pc you delusional fucktard. You keep believing those fake articles you read.

So what. The game was already bought by players and that is the only thing this industry is about (and almost everything in life too).

And cmon, we laugh about how you think everyone cheats and you haven't "caught" a single person on this site. To spot cheaters you need to know how to play first, and you and most paranoids don't.

I explained how bf3 is not much more popular then quake. when compared to cod on consoles... or cs and tf2 on pc.

your an industry dude who should hang himself.

and comeone. I've never been banned from gameplay for even harassment. And yes i have caught some cheaters. and yes they were banned within 45 mins by ordus. tks to the help of some community members.

But i don't bother demoing people. Cause its fkn nonsense. TO stop cheating you ask for peoples credit card and cell phone numbers.

a fucking demo is some old school stone age gaming dinosaur method that doesn't do fkn shit for anybody.

You don't even play this game. Your prolly banned yourself you phony pos.

You must still really believe this game is unpopular because of the learning curve. hahahaha You must think the learning curve in quake is higher then golf...or basketball. hahahha you fucking nerd.

sales man sales. That's the only thing that matters, and people don't buy games because there are more or less cheaters in them.

why am I discussing with a white nerd black rapper

lol you know what my account is

so all that matters is all the people who bought the game and then burned it or use it as a coaster now.....hoping the company and those that play it will be sent to hell, and vowed never to buy another game from that developer again. Maybe they give up on pc multiplayer gaming altogether.


its ok.....the game got alot sales so its ok? Ya Your company is gonna last long....../sarcasm.


So lets say a million people bought bf3.....lets say a mil just for kicks. Yout hink its ok only 1000 is online at a time during peak hours? Do you think they will all buy the game again?

If you tell me they are all playing the singleplayer your gonna make me shit myself. hahahahahah. The SP is just a demo for the Multiplay man. its a multiplayer game.

All that matters to this guy is marketing and sales.......not the fkn game itself.

you def are a FAKE superficial fucker aint ya? The guy wants to run Enron over here. "when sales controls stats I place no faith in the majority" El-P

while we are at it. Mass effect is a fake game too. Only good thing about that game is the HD looking faces in the cinematics. ONLY the faces hahaha.... Other then that its shit graphics....shit levels....a shit rpg...and utter shit gameplay..etc.....its all crazy marketing and fluffed graphics and biased game reviews. (skyrim is a real rpg with CONTENT)