just play 4:3 with gpu scaling on your lcd if you are more comfortable with it.
it will pull the left and right sides of the image together so that it appears 4:3
it will look like : http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/2089/quakecon2010018.jpg

I will try this and let you know how it works out.

gpu scaling causes input lag cause nvidia have it fucked up in their drivers for quite some time, always use 'no scaling' option and adjust it via monitor menu(99% of monitors let you do that, only problems are notebooks but who the fuck plays on them)

Do u know how too on 2233rz? cant find option for it. I just bought mine and am about to sell it. But might try ur tip first. but game is in a box with black bars everywhere >p

http://www.fcenter.ru/img/article/monitors/Sa...135343.jpg
aka Image size
Im not sure that it works properly though(saw some review saying that it didnt work), but worth a try

I can only choose between Auto or Wide option in there. Dosent seem to be working :O

yeah auto should be 4:3 with black bars when you use 4:3 resolution, what resolutions have you tried?

I tried auto with r_mode 9 and 12. still the same. Auto and wide option dosent do any different, hmmm.

well yeah it's broken in 2233rz :(

meh :( 2much lag input on it anyway. i sell it!

and buy PC for 125 fps

I have that already on 800x600 =)

I like it. Feels way better than the stretched image. Thanks.

why try to re-create it? just do something new and get used to that, doesnt even take long once ur used to your new monitor

I've given it some time and feel I am not going to get used to it. I am hesitant to adjust my muscle memory.

Why not play in 4:3 on your LCD? I use 1024*768 on my Samsung 2233rz. In the video settings you can force the screen not to stretch the image.

Image quality is a little blurry outside of the native resolution. Just figured finding a 1680x1050 solution would be best.

its only blurry when you strech it to the whole screen

on full screen, you can increase the sharpness in the monitor settings. it helps.

This works good for me. Thanks.

No problem my man.

erm, u switched from CRT to LCD. i assume regular LCD since u didnt say otherwise. screen's input lag will have the biggest impact on ur aim compared to things like fov...

117 is high... as dude above said, dont try to recreate it.
just experiment a bit and roll with something that works for you, fov100 is fine and balanced imo...u can rail with that w/o zoom for sure.

This is just a temporary solution. Just using this setup until I find something better. I do believe the lag is 5ms on this LCD. Could be worse, but definitely doesn't compare to a CRT.

"The pixel response time is often confused with the LCD input lag which adds another form of latency to pictures displayed by LCD screens. An LCD screen with high response time and significant input lag will not give satisfactory results when playing fast paced computer games or performing fast high accuracy operations on the screen (e.g. CAD). Manufacturers only state the response time of their displays and do not inform customers of the input lag value."

just to clear that up. anyhoo gl on new screen :) strongly recommend 120hz if u think its worth ur money

You've got it backwards. At 4:3, the value cg_fov 104 does not represent 104 degrees. It's actually around 93. The smaller targets would explain your difficulty at range.

Really? I was unaware of this. Is the FOV in QL different from Q3A? The calculator now suggests ~98 FOV @ 1680x1050.

The models in QL were shrunk to fit the hitbox better, and make the model sizes more uniform, so fov feels very different from q3a to QL.

Also QL uses cylindrical hitboxes that are very slightly smaller as in Q3A the rectangles mean that 45 degrees off meant they were larger than square on.

cause you had 5:4(1280x1024) resolution on 4:3 display so everything was stretched and enemys looked fat etc...
using fov calculators is not needed for QL since vertical fov stays the same for different aspect ratios, just additional areas added on sides when you use widescreen monitors, whereas in q3/old q3 based games it got cut on top&bottom and you needed to increase the fov so that vertical fov becomes the same as on 4:3
so use the same fov when you change aspect ratio in QL and get used to how it feels cause you had it fucked up before on CRT

You're right, it is 5:4. I forgot about that. I may have started using this resolution when I downloaded rapha's configuration. I don't know what kind of monitor he was using, though. Anyway, it's what I'm used to. Also, I didn't know QL treated FOV that way. That's good to know.

this is the most correct post so far

in fps you'll have to think about what you like more:
(a) more vertical viewsize
(b) more horizontal viewsize
(c) smaller enemies and higher overall fov
(d) bigger enemies and smaller overall fov

if you insist on (a), you pretty much have to make sure you'll play in 4:3, but ideally on a 4:3 device, because you could always add some horizontal viewsize by playing in native res/fov

if you insist on (b), it's easy, just go for a 16:9 or 16:10 screen

(c) and (d) are pretty much a thing of cg_fov only, but also depend on your preference of 16:9 -- 4:3

I don't see a reason not to play in native resolution + aspect ratio/fov, for quake it becomes a problem with very broad (horizontal) monitors nowadays though

can anyone help me out how do i do this thing with gpu scalling?
i use 1920:1080 that's 16:9 on my 21,5 inches lcd. so i heard that most pros use 4:3 ratio to avoid any weird strecthing etc. and i'd like to try it out. but don't know how to do it.
and another question: is it possible to make this ratio only for when ql starts?

find the aspect ratio setting in the menu of your monitor and set it to Auto/4:3 or whatever setting(not Wide one) and the monitor will automatically show all 4:3 resolutions with black bars when you go fullscreen using 4:3 resolution in QL or other games
don't use nvidia gpu scaling since it's somewhat bugged now

Any advice on what fov and aspect ratio would be recommended for me in quakelive? I'm on a 23" widescreen monitor at 1920x1080.

At the moment I'm using 16:9 (r_mode 23) in quakelive and cg_fov 103... Does this sound right?

That should be fine. With LCDs its best to use the native resolution to avoid input lag.

There really isn't a right and wrong setting. What matters is how you feel about it. If you feel like it isn't working out for you try something else. In general, many professional players use very low resolution. If you haven't already, I suggest you try out some of your favorite players configurations. You might find it's something you've been looking for all along.

Thanks. The issue I have with using other players configurations is I have no idea what monitors they are on... I'd assume there's a "best" or "recommended" resolution for widescreen monitors and the same for normal ones? None of the pro's configs I've checked out use mode 23, but somehow I don't believe that not one of them is using a widescreen monitor :S

dont forget to set resolution to 640x480 because cooller use this ,)

imho the pro player got a reason for this because they have to play on different monitors and it takes time to get used to 4:3 -> 16:10 -> 4:3 and so on
I would play 16:10 except you have to play on different monitores too. Its actually a benefit.

btw i wont use a calc for fov settings. use 104 again or find a fov you feel comfortable with

It's better for sure, you get extra view space, and the excuse that you focus better on target with black borders is just not true.

You don't need to calculate anything, just use your normal fov. You will then have the same vertical fov but with extra viewable horizontally.

What pros use, how can I have black bars like pros, which resolution Rapha uses... ffs, stop being stupid sheep, this is becoming ridiculous.

toxjq plays on native resolution(1680x1050). Fuck that 800x600 shit.

I rather liked the switch from 4:3 to 16:10, my aim improved :)

edit: I dindt change my fov up though, but rather like 5 down.

5 down to what? 95?

yea, bigger screen and from 100 to 95 seemed to be the right thing to do.

not for rockets :<

I personally did not change anything from my switch from 800x600 crt -> 1680x1050 lcd. I have later increased my sensitivity, but that was not due to monitor switch :)

In Q2 you should increase your FOV, calculate new FOV with this calculator. :) Q2 just cuts off top of the picture without increasing your view horizontally. So in the end you see less than on 4:3 CRT.

BTW what's your new sens in both QL and Q2?

Yeah, I heard that Q2 cannot adjust these resolutions or something like that. I basically don't notice and I really like the sharpness of the textures in higher resolutions and I already played like this for a few months before someone told me about this. I also checked screenshots before / after from 4:3 and 16:9 and this is true. Just does not bother me personally :)

I'm at work right now so I can't remember exact number of sens, but I increased in both games with about 0.3. I'll check when I get home! :)

I'm fucking around with non 16/9 resolutions to get 75hz, settled on 1280*768 atm. I'm not sure I should +5 or -5 the fov though ( eyes say +5, brain says derp ), any advice ?

+5

edit : or maybe not.

u ok?

kinda :p
Didn't get much sleep and I'm rather confused because I'm trying to do something rather specific but I think I've got it.

has anyone tried the opposite? using 16x9 on a 4x3 monitor (say a crt)? im on an amd card and it doesnt have a scaling option. if for instance i try a 16x9 it usually just shows only part of the image on the monitor.

You should stick with your old cg_fov!

http://imageshack.us/f/109/aspect.gif/

The 4:3 box at the centre of the screen will be exactly the same as if you used your old FOV and a 4:3 resolution, but instead of black bars you'll get extra peripheral vision. So objectively there's no reason to use a 4:3 resolution on a 16:10 monitor, unless it gives you an important FPS boost. (Some people still prefer 4:3, probably because they've become so used to it after all these years.)

does anyone know if the LG W2363D can handle 4:3 with blackbars without gpu scaling? my 2233rz doesn't stretch it enough without gpu scaling :(. i also heard nvidia drivers below 260.xx have better gpu scaling?

only solution is to buy a new/old crt. also: quake is meant to be played in 4:3 imho... everything else is just weird and gives me eye cancer.

I know exactly what you mean, enemies in the distance are hard to see. Just stick the bars on the side - I would but cba.

2233rz with bars here. Im using 1280x960 with custom values so I get a sharp image, and not these ugly unsharpy edges and just washed up image with other resolutions that aren't the native 1680 1050 res of the monitor
For some mathematical reason that I forgot, 1280x960 gives you the sharpyness of the native res.
I can't stand widescreen for Quake, so I use borders at the sides by selecting "maintain aspect ratio" on the Catalyst menu.

I get a pretty decent accurate CRT-like experience, but there is something that doesnt work. Im not sure if it's perfect or the image is being squashed a bit (the opposite of stretching to the sides)

I've tried playing around with r_aspectratio but for some reason after doing vid_Restart it always stays at "0". Any help? I would like to experiment with 0, 1 and 2 and see what is the best result.

Create a custom 1400x1050 res in your video drivers and use it. Best way to get a flawless 4/3 experience with no scaling lag and no loss of sharpness or whatever on a wide monitor (with 1080p you should use 1440x1080).

What do you mean in my video drivers? I only want it for Quake. Obviously I enjoy full 16:10 resolution for desktop and other games, were I use native res.

Shouldn't I just use r_customwidht and r_customheight and put the values you suggested while using r_mode -1?

You see, every resolution you use in Quake is already specified in video card drivers (including, for example, 640x480 ). So in order to be able to use 1400x1050 resolution in Quake you have to create a custom resolution with this parameters using Nvidia control panel. Then you can use 1680x1050 for the desktop and 1400x1050 for the Quake (I suppose, you need to use r_customWidth and r_customHeight for this).

I use an ATi card. I guess you mean a profile for a particular .exe for the game and then using a custom res, but Quakelive doesn't got a .exe

What if I just use r_customwidh and height? why do I even need a profile for that? I already use a custom resolution like this and I didn't need to create any custom res on the control panel?
or im missing something..

I don't know anything about the ATI, sorry.

What r_aspectratio to use with that resolution considerin its a 16:10?
I can't change this cvar, it's always 0.

And btw, I tried customwidht 1400 and customheight 1050 and it doesnt work. I see the desktop at the right side. I have "maintain aspect ratio" enabled in ATi drivers.

I didn't mention the r_aspectratio cvar because you shouldn't ever touch that. I'm not even sure it does anything in Quake Live.

What happens when you don't use the "maintain aspect ratio" setting then? Also, did you just force the custom resolution or did you create it beforehand in the drivers? Because if you didn't it's not going to work properly.

Here, use http://www.toastyx.net/cru-preview.zip

Add a 1400x1050 resolution with exactly the same timings as your native one and then it will work.

I used cru-preview and created 1400x1050 res, it doesn't show up on the list of available resolutions and same happened when I used customheight and widht on QL..

Here is exactly whats going on:

http://s17.postimage.org/nobx1vqy6/image.jpg
http://s17.postimage.org/c0hv7c1t9/samsunga.png

I don't know if its correctly done on cru-preview. But as you can see when I fullscreen on Quake with the custom res 1400x1050 I see the desktop at the right side.

The point would be to not use "escale images" in the ATi menu, and keep the original aspect ratio, so you don't get a weird stretched image.

I can use 1280x960 without any problems and it's not a standard resolution that I can select anywhere, and didn't need to add it with cru, so I don't get whats going on.

I can instantly see on CRU preview whats wrong: the refresh rate. It says your native res is 1680x1050 @ 59hz and you have a 120hz monitor so that means the monitor EDID (or ATI drivers) are somewhat fucked up. If you create a custom 1400x1050 res @ 59 it will probably work fine (you can try it if you like). Make sure your are running your desktop in 1680x1050@120hz before launching Quake too.

You do get 120hz in your native res, right? If you do then you should add your native 1680x1050 @ 120hz res in cru. That should work (adding it as a standard res with default timings should be ok).

*Note that this is based on my experience with nvidia drivers where scaling (or 1:1 mapping) requires the refresh rate to match that of your native res.

I have edited it and also added the Native res @ 120hz like this:

http://s12.postimage.org/v9uncve3f/res2.png

The resolution wouldn't still show up in the drivers, or default Windows res list.

I tried anyway again with Quake and same happens (I selected desktop res 1680x1050@120hz before launching Quake).
I don't use this resolution for desktop, i use 1440x900 because I find the native res makes the fonts way too small that it's a pain in the ass to read and makes my head hurt. They are way too thin. Yes you can ctrl+ in the browser, but the rest of the stuff remains tiny. Lots of apps wouldn't allow changing font size.

I don't know what im doing wrong. This app seems a bit dodgy. What does it exactly do? does it inject into any dll or something (driver dlls?) so the custom res would show up?

And if I have to have 1680x1050 in the desktop for Quakelive to load the custom res correctly, I might aswell stay with 1280x960. It would be a pain in the ass to change desktop res everytime I open Quakelive.

This app simply makes a copy of the EDID and lets you do whatever you want with it.

It's perfectly harmless (if you really fuck something up a simple boot in safe mode will fix it because the original EDID is untouched) and coded by one of the few real display gurus (you can find him on this forum http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1038342324&postcount=6 and many others)

Strange that it's not working. But I also find it strange that you would use 1440x900 on a 1680x1050 display. You're better off changing the DPI settings or having your eyesight checked (or maybe you're too far from the monitor) because not being in native res means you get heavy blurring which to me looks almost as horrible as when I remove my glasses.

My eyesight is actually great. My eyes got lasered 1 year ago.

And im 35 cm away from the monitor. I dont want to be closer because I dont want to develop miopia again.

Im gonna be trying native 1680x1050 making the font bigger on the browser. But I wish I could make bigger the fonts on windows, for example the fonts of the names of the folders. They are 1 pixel of thickness which is just ridiculous. I need to be thicker.
But yeah I must admit it's much more sharper with 1680x1050

35cm is actually pretty close. That's closer than me and my 21.5" 1080p monitor (no custom DPI settings so much smaller fonts than yours). I have bad eyesight (even with glasses or lenses) and laser surgery is not even possible for me so that's why I find it odd that you have such issues and I don't.

That's besides the point though, I'm not sure why it refuses to work properly for you (even more so because you seem to be on XP which is so simple to tweak - the app was designed with 7's resilient nature in mind), I'm afraid my knowledge of ATI drivers is too limited to be of much use.

Btw when you add those resolutions in cru, can you at least use them on the desktop? and get 1400x1050@120hz without stretching or whatever? Have you tried all the stretching/scaling settings ATI has to offer in the CCC?

I just like to have bigger fonts to keep my brain relax all the time. No matter how good your eyesight is, small fonts are bad.
The thing that I hate now with higher DPI is the fact the cursor is so big.

And no, the 1400x1050 res is not showing anywere to select it and se it.

"And no, the 1400x1050 res is not showing anywere to select it and se it."

So yeah, that's the problem here. Since you're on XP, maybe using RefreshForce could do it? I'm not sure but it's worth a shot. In any case it should NOT be hard to make a custom resolution on XP :(

As for the cursor size I'd say your best shot is to use a custom cursor that is smaller (if none of the default ones are small enough for you). I'm sure you can find one on Google (or make your own, it's just a tiny picture after all)

Go to :\windows\cursors and see how simple and lightweight the cursor files are :)

why is laser surgery not possible for you?

Because myopia and astigmatism are basically the least of my worries (yeah I have both but that's not really uncommon though).

I suffer from this nice little thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optic_neuropathy

I was blind for a week or two when I was 4, I don't know the name of the virus (I don't even know if it was actually a virus) but it left some permanent damage as you can see in the above link. It's a rare condition but there are some cases here and there (even another one where my parents live right now, and he wasn't so lucky as after recovering from his blindness his legs became paralysed because of the trauma).

So to put it simply I have critically damaged optical nerves and probably see a bit less colour shades and finer details than a normal healthy person. I don't know if I see things very differently compared to a normal person but it's not been a problem in my life so I guess it doesn't make a HUGE difference. It's not like someone tells me "this is dark blue" and I argue that "this is purple".
I do notice that my left eye sees colours slightly washed out compared to my right one though. Oh and my right eye has another problem on top of all this, it has a blind spot ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotoma ) inherited from this same problem that happened in my youth.

I think that should be clear enough :p Trying to fix something so deeply broken would be optical suicide.

Ok nevermind, i've just learned about DPI settings. Great. I've played with them and now I can actually read shit.
Now the problem I have is the damn cursor is huge and I don't like it. How do you change the cursor size in XP? I cant seem find an option.

It's kind of weird being at a res this high tho... it's giving me a bit of an headache, like when a monitor is at 60hz.. even if it's at 120hz (I make sure it's 120hz on there). I guess I have to get used to it.

But yeah for some reason the CRU app is not working. This guy has the sample problem (faeria_ guy)


http://www.esreality.com/post/2319267/re-4-3-...pid2319267

No no no, nothing to do with a profile or whatever. The resolutions that you can use on the desktop or in games depend on what the video drivers say you can use (and the drivers themselves should be getting the information from the monitor). But because 1400x1050 is not a standard resolution you have to add it in the drivers, just like you need to create a custom res in Quake if it's not listed in game.

I don't know ATI very well but I know it's possible, if you can't find it in the drivers use this : http://www.toastyx.net/cru-preview.zip Use the same timings as your native res so that you get the same refresh rate.

Quake Live has no problem with custom resolutions (it may even see them without using console commands I can't remember). r_mode -1 and then customwidth/height if you need to.

You can also create a custom resolution of 1400x1050 pixels with scaling disabled, and then you will have the best of two worlds.

Ah, you beat me to it as I went afk a bit before posting my message.

calculator is bulls....
just use the same fov as you were used on your crt and ofc 16:10. Its absolutly the same except you can see more on the left/right. Everything else is placebo.

Its natural you cant hit as much rails without zoom when increasing your fov value.... *facepalm*

change your fov if you want to better with rockets at short range but dont do it because of a new monitor

There is something weird about the horizontal distance being larger than the vertical having the crosshair as reference point. It has to be a square or I just can't hit for shit.

You just need time to ge used with that. Like an month. :)

I just hate it. I like to stick to what im comfortable with.

16:10 is the perfect aspect ratio

perfect aspect ratio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_of_view

also for QL the best aka the one showing the more of the FOV is the 16/9 because it keeps same vert aspect ratio as 4:3 or 16/10 but add a little bit on the L and R.

Then you can put the monitor very close from ur eyes and have a less fish eye effect in theory.

according to my calculations ( not sure if correct ).

Human binocular fov ( where you can concentrate on ) is 120x 90y with an aspect ratio of 1.75:1

which in 4:3 = 105-106

and 1:1 = 90

Yeah putting your monitor very close from ur eyes is optimal for your health.

either is smoking, sitting still for long periods of time, eating junk food. these are even greater hazards than sitting close to a monitor, and i guilty of every single one. how i still alive, i dont know!!

And im not guilty of none of these, which means im still alive too and with superior eyesight, fitness form and posture.

nope >D

smoking = death :(

lies :(

http://www.forces.org/Scientific_Portal/

"Here are my delusional quote 'research' that disprove the scientifical researches by legit people. Smoking is awesome you f000ls and btw im not a smoker"

Awaiting the "playing with monitor near your face doesn't kill eyesight" and "fast food is good" ones.

>legit people

You mean people like George Soros? Ford Foundation?

Yeah, trusty ones...

The Anti-Tobbaco propaganda is part of the Globalist Agenda, but I'm not going to discuss this kind of shit around here.

>Globalist
>not an Alex Jones faggot

bitch pls

Heavy smoking can easily take 15 years off your life. Simple fact.

15 years only?

There is some good stats about cancer. If you smoke 10 cigarettes / day u have 50% chances to die because of cancer, now if you smoke and drink alcohol u have 50% more = 75%.

But someone in medecin faculty can give u more stats.

Can somebody explain me plz how it calculates (I mean this FOV calculator).
For example, using old ratio 16:9, old FOV 100 and new ratio is 16:10.
I just want to understand this calculation method (formula).

ql autoscales to vertical fov. you don't have to do anything. Other games scaling horizontal use http://emsai.net/projects/widescreen/fovcalc/

I just don't understand calculation method. See this example. How to get these final numbers 84 degrees on 16:10 ratio and 74 on 4:3 ratio?