criteria? boredom factor prolly

hmm, is ur name an Anhedonic spin off?

could be

hahahaha really laughed at this. But I preffer some justified crying rather than laughs of approval to authoritarian measures. Or worst, functional indiference.

http://www.esreality.com/post/2196237/annihil...ht-or-not/

http://www.esreality.com/post/2198060/annihiluzz-plot-thickens/

It would be very nice if the actual reason for the ban would be stated on the profile page instead of "possibly for one of the following reasons".

i applaud syncerror the first known biological anticheat device... 2012 id pioneering it again.

at least someone is getting banned finally. rejoice!

just create a new account. They fuck up a lot both ways (banning and not banning)

Not even taking my money in to the question, in that way (creating a new account) I will be supporting they innoperance and naturalizing this actions. That's not my objetive, obviously.

just saying it's easier to create a new account (15 seconds, as there's no e-mail confirmation) than spending hours trying to revert the situation.

and then you'll get banned for multiaccounts. Gl telling them that your initial ban was undeserved.

Easy things are for pussies (With a sicilian accent)

if you just create a new account its almost the same as admitting you are guilty.
More than anything I would want to clear my name if it was me getting banned for no reason.

what reputation. He's one of the worst quake players I've ever seen, and no one should care about his perception on an interwebz game unless he were to be very notorious at it (top100, one of the very best of your region or known for w/e reason) or earns some sort of income out of it.

I'm going to plus you because you are funny.

How shallow are you, just because he might not be good at quake does not mean he is not fond of the name he has build for himself.

I suggest you change your name on esr to "megaman" right this instance and never go back to avenger.
All of us who has seen you post over the last seven years would have no idea who you are.

Its no problem to go to a different name right?

Notice: Your new name will become active once approved by an admin. If you are unable to login with your old username, try the new one.

megaman3.

ok, I have put it in my calender to check up on you in a years time.
If your still not named avenger by then. you win the bragging rights.

I should have found a better name for you if I knew you where gonna keep it!

Like leftnutisbigger

But, you win grats ;)

I have a new name for you, you have been megaman3 long enough!
Time to rename to: newbiehat0r

does not mean he is not fond of the name he has build for himself.

but donstroke sounds like a mafia wank

Fresh, unique and original first answer from [id]:

Name Tag: Donstroke
Account Action: Permanent Account Closure

This account has recently been involved in actions deemed inappropriate for QUAKE LIVE by the In-Game Support staff. This decision was made after a thorough investigation of the situation as a whole.

Offense: Use of third party software to obtain an unfair advantage within the game.

For further information, please review the QUAKE LIVE policies and Terms of Use Agreement. We understand that these policies may seem harsh, but they are in place to ensure that every player is able to fully enjoy their time in QUAKE LIVE. Thank you in advance for respecting our position.

The QUAKE LIVE Abuse Support Team
Sasparillo

So what could this third party software be? Do you use any tools like elo announcer for example?

QLPrism, with no ELO announcer in-game.

Wait, they're banning people for using the in-game announcer now?

Don't jump to conclusions that fast.

Don't reply to comments that slow :-D

:p

upload the demo of the match

Watch how I suck at: http://www.mediafire.com/?kymlkzbp6xzkdzv

SyncError joins in at 12:33 aprox, and he kick me out at 12:49.

I don't think that he ban me because that game (or any other), he came directly to kick me and ban me for other reasons. Reasons that I would like to know.

yeah... that was painful to watch. u sure as hell didn't cheat in that game.
maybe you should try to talk whit him on mirc or something.

Did you use QLranks?

Easy way to fight cheaters: randomly ban a pack of players, cheaters will just accept that they are caught, everyone else will complain and get unbanned.

cheaters will just accept that they are caught

If only...

(It does work like this occasionally. But a lot of people seem to have a fighting instinct: never give in, never admit guilt!)

syncerror only posts for the most mundane shit, for this thread? motherfucker will NEVER post.

gl getting unbanned

I was just thinking the same thing.

why can't I plus you dawg

People are seriously getting banned for using QLPrism?

Apparently this guy has also been banned for using ELO announcer:

http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/summary/bebek

Ensuing shitstorm can be read here (spanish):

http://www.mediavida.com/foro/42/ban-injusto-449015

that was not the reason

well, what was the reason?

I hopped on irc after that comment by him and got a almost confirmation that they don't ban you for elo announcer / ql-browser thing (because I didn't want to get banned for using elo announcer myself)

look his last played game, 21 days ago, I'm pretty sure now he got banned for software that gives him an unfair advantage..

maybe it's the new supposed anticheat thing or maybe someone accused him, we won't be sure as long as the accuser doesn't come out and tells us

what does "got a almost confirmation" mean? :|

Maybe ull get banned if someone report you and you use prism or any script. Wanna try?

Maybe ull get banned if you use ql hacks. Wanna try?

Oh wait you actually tried it and got banned, cu in shootmania

I highly doubt it, unless syncore started including something "extra" ;)

Regarding the in-game Elo announcer... it is just a userscript. That would be like saying someone got banned for using the Alt Browser, any number of other userscripts, or a QL config that outputs text.

People are probably just looking for something to point at, and QLPrism and/or userscripts are convenient.

They banned me two other accounts, diferent IP. If only they answer mails as fast as they ban.

http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/summary/donstrouk
http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/summary/dons

Well. They also banned my first account
http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/summary/humanico

At least they are consistent in they error.

*facepalm*

No wonder you got banned. Having more than 2 accounts is violation against their ToS. You did not cheat, but you did something you promised not to do (by accepting the ToS). Sucks to be you man :D

Nope. They banned me because "Offense: Use of third party software to obtain an unfair advantage within the game." But they don't specify what is because they don't have evidence against me.

Everyone has more than 2 accounts and they are not being banned. Do you think that pro players practice with their accounts? Do you think that they don't use more than 2? Why aren't they, and the 30% of players, being banned? Anyway, the two accounts that I mencioned first (dons/donstrouk) were made after the first ban. So that's not the issue here.

As far as your QL profile goes, banned for one of the following:
- Malicious activity
- Harrassment of players
- Other Terms of Use violation <- 2+ accs goes in here

And also, this: http://www.esreality.com/post/2198060/annihiluzz-plot-thickens/

The link tells the story of a dude falsely accused for hacking, so he made a new account, which also got banned. He made his 3rd account, then ID forgave him for the hacks, but banned him for the 2+ accs.

EDIT: Obviously you didn't hack, but now as it's shown that you got more accounts than allowed, you will not get you ban lifted.

This is not relevant because the motive of my ban was other, following their own words. They banned me because "Offense: Use of third party software to obtain an unfair advantage within the game." So, the accounts issue has nothing to do. Anyway, in my house my girlfriend played for a while and a friend of mine came from Uruguay to visit me and I showed him the game. He wanted to have an account and we made him one. 3 accounts, plus my first one on the same IP, not even violating any ToS.

Even if that was the problem, what about the pro players with more than 2 accounts, etc.

Anyway, a serious company can't say: "yeah, we ban you because this X reason (arbitrary, with no proof, no evidence, no nothing) but we have made a mistake and now we ban you because your reactions to our mistake" It's insane and absolutely fascist and arbitrary. Read the comments in that thread, everyone thinks the same. Even you think the same, I know.

Now, I just want my right, as a customer, to have a real and coherent answer about what I supposedly did wrong. That's what i'm asking for here. Answers, and the real motive. Because I didn't cheat, I didnt violate the ToS (until the ban was in curse, if you want) and I have paid real money to have a serious service.

What they did was wrong, but not illegal. If you read the ToS, you really have no rights.

Hahaha. Check this out.
I posted this on QL official forums and they mail me with an infraction at Quake Live.

Dear humanicO(my first account and the one I use in QL oficial forum).

You have received an infraction at QUAKE LIVE.

Reason: Discussing Disciplinary Actions
-------
Discussing disciplinary actions
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This infraction is worth 1 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

Original Post:
http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php...post214945

---Quote---

My post
---End Quote---
All the best,
QUAKE LIVE


They are awake to pursuit and ban my actions, but not to answer what triggers them.

That's not id, that's the forum mods. Two completely different things. I still got to watch your demo (which I already downloaded) but if you can so easily disregard the forum rules, why couldn't you do the same with the game rules? You're not helping your case at all.

if you can so easily disregard the forum rules, why couldn't you do the same with the game rules?

Sorry, but that is just ridiculous.

There's an idiom in my language that goes like this :
"Qui vole un oeuf vole un boeuf"

A quick translation would be "He who steals an egg steals an ox". You get the idea.

I get the idea, but I strongly disagree.

I mean, sure, in some cases small misdemeanors can be quite telling -- for example, casual dishonesty suggests a person's word might not be worth much on more significant matters. Casual cruelty says quite a lot about someone's character.

But 'disregarding forum rules' to ask for the answers id refused to give privately, and for some way of proving your innocence? That is so far removed from being a lying cheater that it's entirely irrelevant, IMO.

Seriously? Im just a guy trying to get his account back because i did nothing to lose it. I posted this there because i wanted to be readed for someone who is associated with QL support (syncerror reads those forums). I didnt know that you can't complain about injustice in the disciplinary actions from id, but I know what is a cheat and what is a third party app to take advantage. I'm not good at the game, but im not stupid. Don't mix the stuff in that way, please.

this is embarrasing id... very embarrassing...

I am a donstroke clan mate, and I can say openly that he is innocent of the charge he is accused. Please ask those who have suffered the same problem, or know someone who has been unfairly banned, to make public its case so we can show that id is making very bad job. Not only are turning quakelive in a sad commercial product, but almost entirely ignored the complaints and requests from the community, as is strenx pointed out in his facebook few days ago (and as a bonus track, stupid and unjust actions of this kind) . I fully support donstroke on your claim, and we had a similar problem with another player in our community not more than a month. Greetings and look forward to your feedback. Sorry for my english.

anyone shooting under 30 acc should be immune to bans even if they do cheat. nooone cares about shitty players hacking except other shitty players

I think that cheats are bad at every level. That is out of the question for me. And you are wrong about the "no one cares about shitty players hacking" because, I, a shitty player according to all of you, Ohallmightyplayersthatbornkickinassesanddonthavetotransitalearningcurve, concerne a lot about people cheating.

I wouldn't worry about some dicks around here who obsess with their in-game skill to the point they use it as a baseline for judging other people. Quake attracts arrogant mindsets. Better to mock their fucked up priorities or completely ignore them.

Oh thank you for your colaboration, anonymous :)

i do think that to avoid the finger pointing at qlprism, the adskip and adblock should be removed from the package.

Could it be, yes. But being a pro account player, I don't have to skip ads in general. I used QLPrism mainly for IRC and streaming updates.

Anyway, having a pre-payed account should give me an opportunity to defend my case and, if I can`t play with QLprism, a chance to not doing it anymore. They don't give us any advice about the use of QLPrism.

Ah, I see.

And I do agree, I don't think it's quite a valid reason either.

maybe a less amount of shitty players like donstroke would hack if there was a reason for them to get good at this game (not saying he hacks, but could have tried a cheat at some point. usually when you are that bad shooting under 30 acc thats when youre tempted to look for cheats the most, cant blame him to be honest)

"usually when you are that bad shooting under 30 acc thats when youre tempted to look for cheats the most" 1) WTF? 2)Are those words of experience based wisdom? 3) not sure if you are trolling or just stupid

Is like you were saying "ussualy when you earn -30.000 dollars at year you are tempted to look for comite a crime the most" I'm not shitty. I'm new at this game, noob if you want. Never played Quake before QL, but being bad (no shitty, that means other stuff too, like being arrogant, priggish, overweening, shallow, elitist, etc.) didn't tempted me to do other stuff rather than practice, practice, practice. And without my account and the benefits for what I paid for, I can't practice comfortably to be as good as you are, my anonymous pro player.

syncerror got bored after ruinin the game he loved back in the days and now he has nothing more left...

we need anticheat and a proper netcode...

but hey they(ID) readed it already, they just ignore us.

http://www.quakelive.com/#!legals/terms_of_use

§User Conduct

"no clue about logic and fallacies general, go"

i support donstroke
just unnban him omg...

I support donstroke too.
Besides, I've heard about official supporters from other enterprises:

Valve, awesome.
Riot, very good.
Blizzard, good as hell.

Seems that only this happens with Id... Quake Live is still playing but they doesn't do ANYTHING to get things better... At least we must know why Id aren't taking COHERENT actions.

Sorry for my english.

Valve's worse than id on that aspect. Blizzard fucks up sometimes, but in general terms they care a lot more.

And Riot....they are trolls. They issue about 3 suspensions before perma banning, and even those are in very qualified cases (should be stricter imho). If someone complains in the forums they copy paste chat logs, match history and others.
Only case when they are strict is when people cheat or abuse game breaking bugs, which means an immediate permaban.

If I were in charge I'd copypaste the alleged infractions for this one time,.

Whatever. Id support sucks, that's it.

Supporting Donstroke here,

i know him in person, i know he hates all that stuff, he's a nice and correct guy, Syncerror is a moron, he should be collecting stamps on a pawn shop.

Id software, a company that doesn't care about the players WHO actually pay for the service. I'm not insulting, i'm just saying the truth about everything it's going on here.
My guess is that someone told Id that "Donstroke" was cheating, they could have written incorrectly his nick-name and the noob banned him.
That's the best case scenario, it's pretty bad.
I suggest everybody, don't buy fucked up Pro/Prem acc, do as many fake accounts as you want, spoil the game as much as you want and then, take a dump on your QL mousepad (whatever shit you have to remember the game). Because that's what Id wants you to do.
If Don hadn't bought the account, he wouldn't have lost anything, because stats come and go, what matters is the real you.

Too bad that Id doesn't respect their customers, maybe i don't care about their rules, maybe i'm way to pissed off and want to fuck them a bit, let's go make 1 millon accounts just for fun!

Seriously, if i were SyncError's boss, he would be out of his office, right now.

r@fitiiixxx

Now? You mean a year ago.

Wrongfully bans happen all the time in QL and in other games. No one is getting fired because of that.

Actually "we" (as ESR) have no idea if he cheated or not. Only certain thing is he's banned, and that from experience I can tell most cheaters are the worst players to begin with.
Also it's a bit weird that this is the second Argentinian cheating case coming here in the recent months (along with raynor, who was caught doing it but didn't got banned). You don't even see that from Polish people.

and that QL boycott...lol. QL is the last popular skillful fast paced fps game. You won't see anything like it again.
Also throwing shit at the developers (using your nickname) gets you banned at most games.

"That's what happens when there's only one person in charge of the game (ordus)." =AvengeR=- (http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/summary/avens)
on http://www.esreality.com/post/2214413/injusti...pid2214566

Your change your speech according to the cause and the defendant, well done.

I yet don't believe that you're doubting about me. I'd offered all the demos I have, I'd presented plenty of arguments and showed to the world of QL my case and the emails they sent me. You are just prejudging me only because I am not a player with 1,1 month time played that watches his accuracy in a public tier 3 CA.

Besides, you are associating my case to another one only for the flag in common. If you have something against argentinians, or argentinians players, stop coming to our servers to play QL. And if that is the case, please dont try to blemish me with your hate. I'm here to ask for answers that id don't want to give me.

Strange that id still haven't replied on this.

this is not the official support query method?
this is not even the official ql forums?

But its the #1 international quake forum.

#1 on what aspect?

on the shitstorms/year ratio

There are people from all the world posting, which could be the #1 in your opinion?

the shitstorms/year ratio

They have replied.

Name Tag: Donstroke
Account Action: Permanent Account Closure

This account has recently been involved in actions deemed inappropriate for QUAKE LIVE by the In-Game Support staff. This decision was made after a thorough investigation of the situation as a whole.

Offense: Use of third party software to obtain an unfair advantage within the game.

For further information, please review the QUAKE LIVE policies and Terms of Use Agreement. We understand that these policies may seem harsh, but they are in place to ensure that every player is able to fully enjoy their time in QUAKE LIVE. Thank you in advance for respecting our position.

The QUAKE LIVE Abuse Support Team
Sasparillo

Maybe they have unbanned him, but at the same time, they have banned him for using more than 2 accounts.

Ώ? What? Read my post again, please. That e-mail wasn't for my case.

Oh sorry for quoting the wrong part.. Edited the post.

I never used morte than 2 accounts at the same time. And when they unnban you, they send you a mail. I have no answers till that you quote. And that, you know, is not a proper answer

i dont hack and im not banned.



correlation?!!?

maybe

ya but u suck brah

Correlation does not imply causation.

Tomorrow is the KC GAMING JEEQL KICK OFF PLAYOFF ( http://www.esreality.com/post/2267835/kc-gami...f-playoff/ ) and we are going to be streaming and commenting the games.

join us at 15:00 ART
http://www.livestream.com/aimclan
(comments by Ruchedion, Maverick and [id]Donstroke)

Best of Latam QL community: flesh1, etjx, seb4s, doomsday, bich1to, ircwzd, r4ynor, reyko and other 8 big players.

Sure? I dont see bichito/raynor in the player list..

Their presence is spiritual.


They don't play this kick off, my bad.

i support donstroke c:

Thanks. I talked to SyncError yesterday on IRC. After a long discuss, he told me that they have proof that I did cheat in my last two games. I sent him the demos and he promised me that he would watch them later. I'm still waiting, but with the IRC log now I have something solid from them. Hope he fulfill its promise. :D

SOON: The id's anticheat system and the full IRC log explaining it to all of you.

can't wait

should I buy popcorn?

Maybe making public the information of a privately held irc chat about id's anticheat system isnt a good idea?

ban him here if he doesn't post that

soon = if he gets personally unbanned by sync, he won't share

/slap

SARCASM, MOTHER FUCKERS. DO YOU KNOW IT?

Seriously do you think that SyncError or Id would provide me exact information about the cheating system? I said that thinking and knowing a part of how they judge cheats and in the way that they manage to ban accounts after I talked to syncerror and read some more of the ToS. It's sarcasm, because i think that they have no cheating system or it is in a very inmature development stage.

In the first post, this, I raised a discussion about the ban criteria and anticheat system, so my interests are not just individuals on this. For me, it would be less tiring and embarrassing to talk directly with SyncError on IRC and avoid all these public comments about id and its employees. I know this kind of post are not helping me out to be a tech support's or an Adam "syncerror" Pyle's friend, but my defense has its own strength to be considered technically and legally valid. An error (from id, in this case) committed by anyone is forgivable. What is not forgivable is the insistence on the error.

Going back to the comment, two days before posting that comment, SynError told me wich games were taken into account to make the accusation of cheating. I gave him the two demos of those matchs four days ago. 2 days later I posted that. And today, he told me that he watched the two demos because he finally had time. Now im waiting for answer from tech support, who are the ones that are going to decide my case, as SyncError said. And now, with SyncError judgement notes about those demos. Even in this circunstance, his judgement (wich I do not know) is not definitive, as SyncError said. At this moment, these demos sent by me and reviewed by him are the unique solid proof of this issue, as I see it.

@gstructor: probably you are right about that. But, is this more or less fair than accussing me of cheating in front of the whole scene without solid proofs, closing my account without saying a word, banning me from my right to protest and defend, crushing my trust on them after pre payed a whole year of suscription and making me write in a lenguage that i dont know properly?


@melecesh: buy popcorn is always valid

Well, what have you got to lose? Poast dem IRC logs goddammit.

I'll do it. I'm checking out some stuff with legal concerns.

apart from all this cover up drama, I think u cheated

u just wanted to save face and thought that ur bad gameplay might save u

You say I cheated. Ok. Based on what? Please tell us more.

based on logic and simple facts

I will tell u more when I will feel like wasting some more time

banned from #quakelive IRC.

haha quι lindos que son estos pibes...

Well. I'm tired of this shit.

This is the mail that i sent them after they ban me from IRC for... mmmm for trying to enforce my rights as a customer:

Hello,

SyncError watched the demos of my case and he told me that he was going to send to id support his notes about the demos. I want to know, please, cause by contract i'm still a customer, if you have reviewed my demos and my case.

Thanks for your reply,
donstroke

This is their answer, 30 minutes ago:

Hello,


Thank you for contacting the QUAKE LIVE support team.
We have received and reviewed your request for your account to be reopened. Unfortunately we are unable to fulfill your request at this time. In our review we found that the account closure was justified with regards to the QUAKE LIVE Terms of Use Policy and it will thus be upheld.
We understand that these policies may seem harsh, but they are in place to ensure that every player is able to fully enjoy their time in QUAKE LIVE. Thank you in advance for respecting our position.


The QUAKE LIVE Abuse Support Team
Sasparillo

INCREDIBLE how they, with proof from my part and knowing for real that i didnt cheat, insist in this closure. Now they respond without the first reason of the banning, but saying something totally ambiguous trying to make valid something that is not.

They ask me to respect they decision, that is offensive. Is like saying: "We are dictators. So shut up... please."

IRC LOG from 04/06/12

nemesis_ = me. Don't need to say excuse me for my english at this instance XD

[15:27] <nemesis_> hi,
[15:29] <nemesis_> Well. I don't know what to do anymore with this.
[15:29] <nemesis_> im donstroke
[15:30] <nemesis_> and i'd never cheated
[15:30] <nemesis_> dont know why you are so angry and so obstinated with this decision
[15:31] <nemesis_> i have offered you everything
[15:31] <nemesis_> to show my inocense
[15:31] <nemesis_> because maybe an error occured
[15:32] <nemesis_> but im not cheater. i dont want money back, i dont want account back, but dont say im a cheater when you have no proof
[15:32] <nemesis_> i know that you are a grown man
[15:32] <nemesis_> so talk to me and lets discuss this
[15:33] <SyncError|work> I don't know why are claim to have not cheated, outside of trying to protect your reputation, as we do have proof of your cheating.
[15:34] <nemesis_> i have no reputation. im nothing at this game, besides that i comment matches, play lans, play along with best players in arg at other games as Tribes or L4D2
[15:34] <nemesis_> i insist because im not cheater and i want an opportunity to show you why im saying this
[15:35] <nemesis_> you have commit errors other times, with raynor, flesh1, no7sag
[15:36] <SyncError|work> There was no error made.
[15:36] <SyncError|work> Wrongful bans in the past were due to different detection methods, or were left up to reviewing demo evidence.
[15:36] <SyncError|work> There were no judgement calls made in your suspension.
[15:37] <SyncError|work> No one had to watch demos and determine whether or not you were cheating.
[15:37] <nemesis_> im not cheater, i have offered you and everyone all that i can, as demos, videos of me playing, etc. i have nothing to hide, syncerror
[15:38] <nemesis_> your system is wrong or just made a conflict wit QlPrism or something
[15:38] <nemesis_> i never used anything and i want to prove you that
[15:38] <nemesis_> i sent you demos of cheaters, report so many harrashment and fake accounts
[15:39] <nemesis_> i talked to ordus about the status of servers
[15:40] <nemesis_> i know that my words are useless to convince you, but for that reason im asking you for a review or send you demos
[15:42] <SyncError|work> Demos can at most prove someone guilty, but they cannot prove innocence. The use of a wallhack, or even a humanized aimbot would not show in demos.
[15:42] <nemesis_> if i were a cheater i would not do anything of this. Even Strenx told me that im not a cheater. world Top three, Ins from portugal hear me commenting matches, and top 1 in argentina talked to you
[15:43] <SyncError|work> And yet, we know that you did cheat in two matches.
[15:43] <nemesis_> for that reason im asking you for a review of this case because is an judgemetn error. i never cheated
[15:44] <nemesis_> maybe you have another IP mixed with mine, i dont know. i never cheated
[15:44] <nemesis_> i have dynamic IP. maybe you are confusing me or something
[15:45] <SyncError|work> No, that is not the case.
[15:45] <nemesis_> well. this is hard for me because you dont believe me and i dont know wich is your detection method.
[15:45] <nemesis_> but im asking you, please. review the case
[15:47] <nemesis_> this is an error. i know that banning a random player doesnt change your life or affect your sleep, but im only asking for a review
[15:47] <nemesis_> and an answer with proof. we are dealing with money issues, also.
[15:48] <nemesis_> i paid for a service, and if you cancel this service, i wanna know why, because im didnt cheat
[15:48] <nemesis_> (sorry about my english, is not my primary lenguage. Not the secondary neither)
[15:51] <nemesis_> i wanna help you to fix this in anyway you want, because is a misstake. Misstakes happens, im not going to public say something more than "it was a misstake. i have my account back. lets play some aero"
[15:55] <nemesis_> recognize the error and unbanme, or show the world the evidence. I'm not asking for more than that.
[15:55] <nemesis_> I will never suggest that you
[15:56] <nemesis_> if a were afraid of something
[15:56] <nemesis_> *if I were afraid
[15:58] <nemesis_> please answer me, this is your work and im still a client because you have not terminated the contract with me
[15:58] <nemesis_> show some collaboration as im doing with you and Ql to have a better anticheating system
[16:00] <nemesis_> Adam, please.
[16:06] <nemesis_> at least, as a showing of pity for me, would you tell me wich ones are the two matches in that you think that i did cheat
[16:11] <SyncError|work> Last two matches you ever played.
[16:11] <SyncError|work> The win on Campgrounds, and the Quit on Amost Lost
[16:11] <SyncError|work> *Almost
[16:12] <nemesis_> thanks
[16:12] <nemesis_> man. i dont know how your cheating system works, but is wrong
[16:13] <nemesis_> i did not cheat in those matches and no others
[16:14] <nemesis_> for what are you acussing me off? wallhack? aimbot?
[16:15] <nemesis_> im asking you this to try to understand this error, because i dont know why you have a notification or alert of me cheating
[16:15] <nemesis_> in fact, you entered the game just to kick me out and ban me later
[16:16] <nemesis_> in almost lost you joined at 12:30 and kicke me out at 12.48 i think
[16:22] <nemesis_> i dont want you to lose more of your time, please check those demos againt, review the logs, i dont know
[16:24] <nemesis_> because i did not cheat in those matches or any other and now i have a solid proof of it from you
[16:25] <nemesis_> im here. when you have a minute please say something. i'll wait, Adam.
[16:40] <nemesis_> http://www.mediafire.com/?yz050w23ofj31z4
[16:41] <nemesis_> campgrounds
[16:41] <nemesis_> http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?kymlkzbp6xzkdzv
[16:41] <nemesis_> almost lost
[16:42] <SyncError|work> I've downloaded your demos and will watch them later.
[16:42] <nemesis_> i dont care if the system can retract itself or something, but you, a human, a grown man, a guy with more quakelive hours and info that anyone, can say if i was cheating there o nor
[16:42] <SyncError|work> I don't expect that the demos can prove anything either direction, but I'll watch them for you.
[16:43] <nemesis_> or not
[16:43] <nemesis_> thanks, because im not cheated and besides my thing, i want to help qL to being even better
[16:43] <SyncError|work> It's just that I'm not in QL Support. It's not my job.
[16:43] <SyncError|work> Also to note, I don't mean to say that I'll watch them later because I'm putting you off.
[16:44] <SyncError|work> But I'll dedicate some time to watching the demos.
[16:44] <SyncError|work> I just need to get my dev work done first atm.


Shameless.


screenshots:
http://imgur.com/l9fZr
http://imgur.com/I3ydt
http://imgur.com/YRyqc

my profile:
http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/summary/donstroke

my demos:
http://www.mediafire.com/?yz050w23ofj31z4
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?kymlkzbp6xzkdzv

I must admit... after reading that it's all starting to get a little suspicious.


btw,
"Even Strenx told me that im not a cheater" = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

What is suspicious?

I've actually talked with Strenx too. Surprisingly, it is less biased than others nobodies here.

this is getting boring. Can we start posting lolcats and softcore porn?

One time in a duel i kept forcing dpjochs to spawn at the same spot and he would +forward into my LG and i ended the game with something like +70% LG and my account was banned. Contacted syncerror and he unbanned me. Another time I beat dpjochs in so many games in a row that syncerror joined our games to see if i was stat padding (lol) But anyways, Syncerror will not keep someone banned unless he is absolutely sure you VIOLATED THE TERMS OF USE. I read forums constantly on different sites for different games with people complaining that they were wrongfully banned, and more often than not that person did rightfully deserve to be banned. OP get over it. You will find no pity here.

Well, actually donstroke has been wrongfully banned in deed.

I'm not asking for pity, im asking for justice and telling the people to take concience of this arbitrary actions against me and other players from a company that provide a paid service. I did not cheat and they know that because I sent them the demos that I shared here too today. Now, if you, weeja, put a doubt on me, I want to know what are your proofs or for whom are you talking. Talking shit without proof or not saying anything relevant because defending a noob doesn't add you pluses or because you do not dare to say something against id, its easy. i'm here not to talk shit about id, i'm here to show my evidence and reclaim my inocence and reclaim their evidence to accuse me. At this moment, as you saw it, I have nothing from them rather than a bunch of ambiguous replies and some friends talking for them.

they have an anti-cheat in place that takes screenshots of ur screen, now if ur custom hud was totally fucked up with weird random shit that ppl (newbs) love to create, maybe it fooled sync enough to think u loaded some hack.

he cheated man, it is obvious, he doesn't fool me

By donstroke - Reply to #107
You say I cheated. Ok. Based on what? Please tell us more.

By InDepther - Reply to #108
based on logic and simple facts
I will tell u more when I will feel like wasting some more time

You still wasting time, TROLL

Instead of assuming that I use something noob in my hud, why not ask if I use it? Noob is not equal to idiot. I know more of config, aliases and development codes that a bunch of old players. Prejudice everywhere.

Why do you keep saying demos are going to prove your innocence? They do not.

Demos are more abble to prove innocence rather than NOTHING to prove guilty.

One word: devastating
More words:
donstroke i just want to say that you are guilty.
Charges:
1. Wasting your 24ms on SPAM and overall crap 20acc being the result of not knowing how to use your guns (no aimbots 4 sure)
2. Being a noob, not knowing where to go, not helping your teammates, not looking for obvious places, having fov 60/useless eyes (no WH 4 sure)
3. Wad movement, but as there are no movement bots implemented in that qlhook thingy as of yet i won't be sentencing you for that
4. Triggerbot? please... anyone who watched those demos (and its Official reason sync gave him 4 the ban), knows that this tier 2/3 dude simply
(verdict) DOES NOT CHEAT

And now syncerror's charges:
1. Banning PAYING users without explanation and proof
2. Banning NEWBS (like this guy) vs NOTbanning OBVIOUS cheater-trolls-psychopaths-kkk'sbuddies (like czituch, account over 1 year old, renowed WHuser and ocassional humanisedaimbot user)
3. Not caring (no anticheat) + placing the work (effort) on community to provide proof of abuse, yet still not caring to do anything (czituch and thousands more)
(verdict) syncerror CHEATS at id's policy. but you know, its not his work! He has errands o his own [he probably is pondering on fixing textures on the edge to fix expactations of a 15yo], or creating other non-played maps like that lowfps ctf map with battlesuit.
but now, with the facebook being attached to proile pages i do not really know what else he can do. Maybe fix the bugs that were caused by fixing the previous bugs. ql's perpetum mobile.

I am with raythenoob on this 1. Frustrating that you can neglect a good game as much as those dev's.
donstroke, you simple gotta do what i did about a year ago now.
don't care (like devs) & do not pay them anymore to not care. Lower your expectations & try to find some pleasure in those public overplayed maps in dif. mods that are only thing populated anyways.
Accept that you lost money and (1 more time) do not pay them anymore if they are doing their best to screw themselves up.

ggs id. gj

My first words on this post:
"I’ve been playing QL since less than a year and, in my best days, I poorly suck at every mod."

Thanks for taking the time to say something about this. Also, im gonna take your observations (btw, of a two random and bad CA games, I actually play a little better than that) and put them in practice.

About my account, I have no faith anymore in id's judgement and capacity of recognize errors, or not mix personal stuff in their decisions, but I didnt gave up on trying to recover it yet. Anyway, also my first words on this whole post, I wanted to open or reopen a discussion about id's banning criteria, anticheat, etc., too with this. If the people here no dare to do it, that is other issue we have on QL community in addition to prejudice, elitism, egocentrism, etc.

ater watchcing demos its obvious that guy didnt cheat. sync banning out of personal reasons one more time, when guys like czituch are still not banned. good job!

lol have u thought of the possibility of him just checking cheats, instead of using them to his advantage. Playing bad doesn't mean u haven't loaded a hack...

or u think that id's support team and syncerror just hate him?

Suspecting and accusing is so easy on internet. In the real life, in law studies and every court of any democratic country, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. I'm asking for that. Primary argument from Innocence presumption and a human right after UN declaration.

Why do not you honor your name and ask id, in-depth, why they ban me?

id is not a public institution, they can allow or disallow whoever they like to play the game (= chose who they provide their service to).

Obviously its not a public institution. Public institutions are not permited to take arbitrary and dictatorial actions and have functionals employees (or participants) who support those unfair actions without any consecuences. Anyway, you would not say the same if they ban you for nothing and don't show you or the people why they did it.

that's also stated on the ToS.

You would not say the same if they ban you for nothing and don't show you, or the people, why they did it, avens.

In this moment maybe they are editing something to make me guilty. XD Lol. Im giving them ideas.

I told you I don't care. Check my nickname, lol.

Id Software also reserves the right to terminate without notice Your Account for any reason, such as your violation of this POLICY or for no reason in Id Software’s sole discretion. Id Software's failure to enforce this POLICY, for whatever reason, shall not be construed as waiver of our right to do so at any time in the future.

http://www.quakelive.com/#!legals/terms_of_use

"or for no reason in Id Software’s sole discretion" This is what im talking about. You are being functionals to that point, but I say "Be careful, because it could turn against you someday" I'll repeat what I said to Avens. You would not say the same if they ban you for nothing and don't show you, or the people, why they did it.

SyncError should ban SyncError because he is violating this one: "interfere with the ability of others to enjoy playing an Id Software software game or take actions that interfere with or materially increase the cost to provide any Service for the enjoyment of all its users."

Thats just like silkroad where a lot players using bots and banning massively with legal players

The thing is, people here don't know if you've cheated or not. What do you expect from this thread?

to get some1 from id to unban him. funny.

I expect to find an american psychopath to who I can pay some money to find and kill SyncError, obviously.

I'm making this public because it is happening to a lot of players, not just me. If we, the unfairly prejudiced, do not complain, this shit will continue and it will not have any kind of rebuke or rebuff from those who pay for the service, from the QL community and the people of id. This kind of post and backgrounds may help you in the future if you or a friend of yours get unfairly baned as I was.

Indifference and resignation are forms of acceptance. I do not accept this kind of behaviour from a service that I paid or from a game that I love.

And if you have some doubts about my innocence, judge me. With proofs, of course. Like the demos I sent, for example.

I can't judge you because I don't know if you got qlhook.exe installed or not. Demos don't show anything if you were trying hacks and had just health indicators enabled for example.

Ok. Tomorrow im gonna buy a pro account and report you because you MAY HAVE activated all of that you mencioned. In fact, because you know all of that so good, now you are a cheater to me. Just because i can accuse you based on assumptions without any proof. And Pavel too. And Rapha when he plays from his home. Yeah. All cheaters. Id should do something about it.

idiot logic. SyncError should have smarter friends to defend him.

Just imagine an scenario when everyone gets accussed based on assumptions and no proof needed. Here theres no proof, just an arbitrary and ambiguous decision against me which triggers a lot of assumption from some prejudice players or/and id friends. It seems like you are searching the improbable causes when you should be asking id for proofs and for probable causes.

Maybe they have proof but wont show it because that would reveal how their anticheat works.
Some angry people claimed to report me after losing a duel, but I haven't been banned btw.

^lol

I repeat:

Here theres no proof or explanation, just an arbitrary and ambiguous decision against me which triggers a lot of assumption from some prejudice players or/and id friends. It seems like you are searching the improbable causes when you should be asking id for proofs and for probable causes.

ok we get you are a martyr. Can you leave the site now? Easily the most boring topic ever created

If this is the most boring topic, then you are an idiot for pressing click on the link.

Anyway. Maybe you dont want me to talk about SyncError or ID. Maybe you are just protecting someone or something. I don't know. For instance, you can reply this to combat your boring: http://www.esreality.com/post/2272700/re-id-b...pid2267787

No tenιs cara, ni palabra, ni coherencia, Avens. Me da gracia cσmo tres + te hacen creer que sos alguien acα.

I can talk third word language too, but this is an english site. Also my other QL account has better stats lol

ofc they fuck up from time to time as it's only one busy person in charge (seems like it is 2 now), though that isn't always the case as there's about only 1 newbfag a month coming to esr. Also sync himself reviewed the case personally and said you cheated.

There's nothing more to talk really. I posted here first because it was funny but it isn't anymore. It's clear you are going to keep bumping this thread every month until you die, so from now on I'll post funny and softcore pictures here.

"I can talk third word language too" O_o Chileno come guiso, ΏDe quι te la das? Keep commenting, please. Your stupidity is fun enough for this thread.

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Is this a picture of Wierd?

Sorry for him just joking ;)

Why are these threads always started by south american players ?

because EXPOSED (TM) has it's own forum now

Is it as fun as ray's forum ?

Because we are not used to not complain and lick the dick who try to fucks us.

Based on donstrokes comments I support id's decision to keep him banned. If I had my way I would ban him off the internet.

Feel sorry for you. You are just another Adam Pyle's balls sucker. In the comments I rebutted all the arguments that Id and you all presented against me. All.

If it were up to comments, I should be president of your country, you idiot.

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Grace Jones is probably the only black person I would consider banging, but only for her performances in View To A kill.

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seems like I can't keep posting softcore porn as the picture wasn't approved :(

"Offense: Use of third party software to obtain an unfair advantage within the game."

when it looks like cheats, smells like cheats, must be cheats. sorry bro

The way id handles this is ridiculous. If they ban him they should at least tell him why he is banned.

Well, there's only one explanation. Id sucks, everyone knows that, and no explanation is needed unless people are retarded morons (or people who replies non-sense bullshit without reading properly, about someone who can frag with a lucky grenade).

I've always skipped that pro/premium shit from the beginning. :P

Long story short: Donstroke frags with a grenade, marked as cheater, yeah fuck logic about terms of use. SyncError is high as fuck, banning without reason and doing shit.

EDIT: My main game is League of Legends.

they've already told him he's cheating. they shouldn't say anymore, as the process isn't an argument. 99% of the prison population claims to be innocent too.

That comment reflects how deep inside your ass are SyncError's and id's dicks. In the real world, with no dictatorial actions and unfounded accusations, you have to sustain and demostrate what you are saying and doing. More when you attack the reputation and the money of another person or client. They didn't do this and you keep calling me cheater cause you blindly believe in their judgement (or maybe you are closest to them or something), even when they are such pussy, such liars and such scammers that put something like: "Id Software also reserves the right to terminate without notice Your Account for any reason, such as your violation of this POLICY or for no reason in Id Software’s sole discretion. Id Software's failure to enforce this POLICY, for whatever reason, shall not be construed as waiver of our right to do so at any time in the future." and they take refuge in it to hold my ban and not recognize the error that you, beingfuckedhumanbeing, are consenting.

I pity you.

Out of curiosity, would you play again if they lifted your ban?

I'm playing right now. SyncError not going to decide when I stop playing a game. Especially when he is totally wrong. QuakeLive, as a game, is beyond id employees.

So you'll keep getting banned for circumventing a ban anyway.

/thread

no, my comment reflects how great it is that they are banning cheaters and not wasting resources on arguing with every single one of them.

I don't think about you at all.

Interesting how a pro player like you can be so blind about this. Keep licking balls, my dear administrator Pavel. Maybe id process your US Visa for the next tournament. You have the skills and the experience to detect a real cheater, I know. Watch my demos and check yourself how wrong are you.

You sure that's the same Pavel?

You seem eager to say "watch my demos" as if they would disprove the use of cheats, when they clearly wouldn't. It's impossible for a demo to disprove the use of cheats.

Yeah but all of the prision population knows what they are accused of and can make a defense.
And id wrongly banned people before. I know they use a different system now, but how can you be sure it doesn't make mistakes too?

i'm sure it does

I know they use a different system now, but how can you be sure it doesn't make mistakes too?

u say to them that u didn't cheat, then they check their system for mistakes. If they insist, then 99.9% u cheated (it should be 99% to start with and after they check for errors should be much much more). I will go with that, than with the 1 in 1000 chance and believing a cheaters denial, because he just says so.

and asking for more evidence is just stupid. What u want? To get a warrant in order to get in his house and search his PC and laptop, then if they found anything to get the hard drives or images of them in order to use them in court? He just cheated in a game, he didn't hack FBI, NASA or whatever.

I wasn't asking for evidence, just thought they should tell someone why he is banned.

But thinking about it, noone knows at the moment how id's anti-cheat works or what exaclty it does check, so it's probably the best to not tell anything about it.

But thinking about it, noone knows at the moment how id's anti-cheat works or what exaclty it does check, so it's probably the best to not tell anything about it

I was thinking the same

bold words

No one respects you, no one EVER wanted you and everyone hates you.

I usually stay away from making remote diagnostics over the internet on random people but having your posts on esr in mind this really sounds as if you are talking about yourself.

Here's an idea how about you don't fucking cheat or break any of the other ToS agreements so you don't get banned? ID is finally cleaning house. They have a basic anti-cheat system in place and are HWID banning these fools it's great.

I would remove the part where you say how they identify the client. Its information that can help cheaters.

(warning, im not saying that donstroke is a cheater, just saying)

Watch the demo and see if donstroke cheated, if he did cheat, then write the time and describe the scene and the reason...
Oh, and please, if you believe in god that he cheated even if you didn't see any suspicious scene, I suggest you to go to a hospital ( "god" is a damn virus, you know)...

Good luck pal.

It's impossible for a demo to disprove the use of cheats. No matter how shit he was playing, for example he could still have been testing cheats, maybe only for 5 seconds, and hence would be picked up by the "detector". Playing like shit doesn't prove anything, and neither does a demo of you playing like shit either.

Ok sorry, but...

I don't know if Sync was watching the demo normally and then with shownormals activated. I'm saying maybe it was a coincidence, to aim someone without thinking but just imaging the enemy just above you or whereever it is. Sometimes it happens to me, sometimes it happens to everyone who thinks where it could be in order to stay guard and prevent the next attack.

Unless you mean: 5 seconds = easy aimbot to find...

Ok sorry, but...

People watching the demos doesn't really come into the equation at all...

Unless you mean: anticheat = syncerror watching everyones demos

I don't see in the change log of QL an updated anti-cheat logic, seems it's not official. So I think yeah, anticheat = syncerror watching everyones demos, since Sync just entered the server and kicked him MANUALLY instead of an automatic program...

edit: yeah, I know...

So what you're saying is, syncerror kicked him manually based on demos that didn't even fully exist yet.

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if you believe in god that he cheated even if you didn't see any suspicious scene, I suggest you to go to a hospital

learn some logic first, then read what melechesh said

They can take a SS of YOUR screen. Just like punkbuster did a while back. Which is why he (or anyone from id im assuming) can join, take a SS, and see what the baddies are up to.

I can apply the same logic that you use to say the opposite:

1) Maybe they did not install a new anticheat and they are acting in this way that we think that they do not have an anticheat but they do have and do not want to say how it works.

2) Maybe they do not have an anticheat and they are acting this way to take advantage of the error and generate the idea of &#8203;&#8203;having a anticheat but not saying how it works.

3) Maybe they do not have an anticheat system and they are sending friends here to introduce the idea that they have an anticheat system but do not reveal it because not want us to know how it works.

4) Maybe they have an anticheat system but is inefficient and make mistakes like in my case. And because they don't want us to know that their cheating system sucks or because they have no proofs, they are generating this idea over us through what i said in points 1, 2 and 3.

5) Make all the imaginary scenarios that you want, but the only way to resolve this for real, is showing us real proofs. Without that, everything that you said or going to say is not valid as a fact, is just opinion, hipotesys, assumption, prejudice, etc.

No matter if 4 admins/&/or/id tech support friends believe or not. I didn't cheat at all and all of your arguements are invalid.

I'm in peace with my mind and I'll keep protesting for this. You are just protecting a company who is killing QL and is liar, but over all, you are supporting a bad call from id.

We're not protecting anything, but there is only one path to follow to get to the bottom of the matter, and that is the scientific method, where theories are proposed, tested, and then accepted as fact or rejected as false.

Given the circumstances, it's impossible at the moment for us to determine whether you or any other of the recent bans are correct or incorrect, as the only people who really know the truth are id software and the players themselves.

So, since you insist on letting everyone know your opinion about this, all the while knowing very well that it is impossible for us to actually know whether you are lying or telling the truth, then we have no alternative than to let you know what are assumptions are regarding the matter. Surprise surprise, you don't actually like some of the assumptions.

After all, our assumptions is what you wanted wasn't it?

No. No. This is not an assumption:

"By Demiurge - Reply to #159
they've already told him he's cheating. they shouldn't say anymore, as the process isn't an argument. 99% of the prison population claims to be innocent too."

Those are asseverations, it's not the same. For that reason i refuted, using logics, some poor arguments.

Altought, indiference and inertia is a form of approbation. So, if you want to close the case without a fair trial, it also speaks of the position taken in the matter. To the ones who took that position, i'm telling: "Your wrong. I didn't cheat or download or try o whatever and id is wrong, like many other times." Live with it. I have peace on my mind. :D

If you have peace on your mind...

...why don't you have peace on your mind?

too deep, but you might melt his mind :(… bringing it to peace after all

So when you run out of arguments, you play the grammar card. Here we can see who has a melted brain.

I'm not arguing for anything... I just can't understand, why do you insist on trying to convince people of your innocence on ESR by showing us your demos when it's impossible for demos to prove your innocence?

Regarding the latter comment, what I mean is, If you don't really give a fuck then actually stop giving a fuck.

I'm trying to collab with you starting a discussion about id banning criteria and the way that they are killing the game. My ban is an example of it. Read my first post.

The main motivation for making public this case isn’t the recovery of my account (beyond that there is money involved [my account expires on 11/12], because I’m sure that I will recover it because this is a mistake that someone will resolve in the immediacy), but to bring out a policy of banning at least questionable:

I came here not to ask for help, i came here to inform you about what is happening with our game because a lot of people ignore it or, as many of you, preffer to ignore it. That's killing our game, and it's not fair.

I don't give a fuck my account as an account per sι, I just care for the game, that's all. I know that i played fair always and never used cheats, so im fine with me besides what you think.

Demos can't prove innocence, id's words can't prove culpability neither.

lol cheater

i've been told how the anti-cheat works since i get tested fucking constantly because of people reporting me, and it lags the fuck out of me. So when i whined to them, they explained what was up.

don, there is no mistake, when you have a cheat loaded - they fucking know.

THEY FUCKING KNOW.

Trust me son, if you used to cheat and stopped before the recent updates, you are still ok, just don't fucking start again right now or you are dead.

and yea, i won't be banned cuz i am 2legit2quit.

Another stupid, another wrong asseveration.

assertion or observation?

LOL TROLLOLOL
GJ Syncerror feeding all these esr trolls. Thats the way to develop a dead game.

I just read through this entire thread from start to finish, I don't know whether I just trolled myself or not.
All I have to say on the subject is:
a) I don't think your thread of 'legal action' helped your case in any way, you have no legs to stand on in the context of legal action. [id] reserves the right to bla bla bla, b-b-b-b& you. This is covered in the TOS.
b) I think you should have attempted to resolve the issue over IRC before you took it here to the forums, I don't think attempting to goad them into responding in your favour by embarrassing them was the correct path to take.
c) I have spoken to syncerror before on the subject after I incorrectly got banned, long story ( it wasn't for hacking... ) I found syncerror to be quite a nice and reasonable guy, I approached him with respect and I found that he treated me with respect in return. The final solution wasn't in his hands, and it really isn't.
Companies are compartmentalized for a number of reasons, the obvious one is efficiency, managing the goings on in a social scene so full of competitiveness and angst is not his job, he's a programmer... That's why the job of managing all this red hot butthurt belongs solely to techsupport.
The abilities of agents within the company are also compartmentalized to prevent abuse, and this swings both ways.Either abuse of the rules through personal attacks, personal favour/nepotism or outright neglect.
Syncerror is of course a pretty important dude, being the one who actually works on the game code, he holds some sway, but he is not the almighty god of the [id] galaxy. Syncerror isn't the one who 'did this to you', and he shouldn't always bear the brunt of anyone's angst against any problem with QL.
All this being said, I have seen instances where people have been banned incorrectly, and I have seen them resolved, and I found syncerror to be a heap more reasonable than the tech support guys can be... but I guess that's to be expected, if you look at the slew of threads on QL forums about 'Y U FGTS BAN ME ROFL', you can probably guess why they shoot first and ask questions later.