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Great updates for your precious Interactive spawn visualization! :)

Good job, thanks.
Would it be possible to make a website and put all the spawn visualizations there?

Yeah, having one page to bookmark, that we could be sure would link to all of the most recent versions, would be nice.

http://www.esreality.com/wiki/Quake_Live:_Str...wn_Control

looks good thx :D

oh ztn might be worth playing again, nice

I actually like the new spawns better than both previous versions. Hard to believe I'm saying this but good job id!

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Thanks Memento_Mori for your visulatizations, and thanks to everyone for their feedback and patience over the past week as we've tweaked these. There will be no more changes made to the map prior to the upcoming LAN events.

have you considered adding this into the game?

I understand most community made efforts are against your 1940s policies of controlling everything, but spawn visualizations and qlranks seem to be harmless.

and what would be the point of migrating something that is alive and well on its own into something concrete and stable and legally cumbersome?

making them available to the 99.9% of players that have no idea about those.

Same goes with streams, as peak viewers (5-6k) are always less than 10% of current players (67,870 CAers according to qlranks, which was reset some months ago), promoting tournaments, communities (the tier system really splits up players) and what not, but we know those are never going to make it into QL's client.

Id really can't learn its mistakes and from other companies.

Maybe those who don't search aren't interested in the first place.

Semi related:
bot_pause 1 makes bots drop due to server command overflow

How to avoid this?

sv_timeout 99999

Yo

Great work !

Do I get it right the big Circles are the initial Spawns ?

THX!

Size of Circles = on which height they are located on the map.

thx

Definitely better spawns than before.

BTW do you have more interactive spawn visualizations to other duel maps too?

i think this is so cool!
one nice addition would be to. color the inital spawns different.

And to color the 4 furthest away different,
sine ql will pick one of em , right?

And to color the 4 furthest away different,
sine ql will pick one of em , right?

No, ql picks the furthest 50% (or whatever value one chooses in the match settings). One thing I did not know when I started my videos is that they round up, so in ztn this is 5 spawns.

As for the initial spawns, I need to find a way to get which ones are marked as start spawn. It is probably a flag in the entity but I have to figure it out.

In the doom 3 editor the spawns were flagged as "initial 0/1"
Not sure how it is in quakelive.

I don't want to open a new thread for such minor question so I'll post it here.
Is it clear by now when does ql determine spawn pool to pick from? Exactly when you get fraged or when you spawn? (I'm know it's not the second possibility - just asking)

The spawn is determined at the time of respawn (not death).

Are duel spawns random within a fixed system (such as farthest spawns)?

I think you're asking the same thing but I've always wanted to know if different spawns have different chances or if they all have equal chance. Sometimes it feels like some spawns are least likely.

yes, they are.

I've found an error on the ztn visualisation. If you are standing on the RA platform you can actually force the two GL spawns in front of you. But the visualisation you can only do one of them.

I think it's the same bug happening in all maps that deals with the spawn index with largest index. I sill did not figure out the logic of it though.