lmao@instagib

WOROLOLOL

not that its okay, it was always this way. qw dissing q2, q2 dissing q3 etc and all vice versa. new status quo game vs the old games. the problem is maybe the high splitting of players in quake titles and mods, in competitive gamers and fun gamers, and to new arena shooters (warsow, alien arena, xonotic, stand alone mods). see, this dividing is huge. no way to get them all together and accept each other.

i just saw some noghost 3vs3 games, thanks to you. well im interested in all quakes, because i call myself a quake newsposter. everybody should play what he likes, there is a mod for every quaker.

i find instagib a bit strange, just wanna say. people had no money for a q3 cdkey and played 1.16n instead. so the 1.16n people dont wanted to connect with new patch players? with a new q3 patch 1.16n games where hard to find, only if you are a advanced player and use custom serverbrowser. for me the 1.16n scene was kind of a secret society, why? like some people playing still old q3 demo with excessive mods.

the gameplay of noghost is very minimal, there is more tactical going on in clanarena and freeze tag (in my play days there was even a freeze mod with hook!), because of more weapons in both and items/powerups in freeze tag. when i played freeze tag the normal tdm players dissing freeze tag mods and said "your to weak for real tdm, this is for nubs". did it matter for me? no, i had my funny.

i respect all mods - esr is more of a competitive site so you never get an acceptence here from all players. to sum it up. esr isnt the whole quake scene, its only a fragment of it. you dont need acceptence from esr users.

even the biggest quakelive team game mode, clanarena, isnt fully accepted here but it has massive players. people here are just strange... what full accepted here is q3 cpm and ql tdm, but more people talking about it than rather playing it, just akward.

just do your thing and have fun :)

What a refreshing view. I am of the same opinion, that tolerance needs to be preached as much as possible, as long as our interests are the same. Instagib helps Quake, Clan Arena helps Quake, Shootmania helps Quake, even Starcraft helps Quake, and so on. This kind of intolerance and hostility is a side effect of the competitive nature of the game, but it's self-detrimental, and besides every other problem of accessibility of quake, is one thing we can change, so we should try.

I don't see how shootmania helps quake... SC2 does because its fanbase (atleast from teamliquid) like the competitive and hard-to-master aspect of quake so they give us some respect and maybe some viewers/casual players here and there.

What did shootmania do good to the quake scene, apart maybe from making a few casual gamers realize the quakers raped the whole cybsum lan tournament ?

how does FFA help quake, instagib, clan arena? the same way, by introducing people step by step. shootmania is more accessible and newbie friendly. people who like it, if they see the potential for something more advanced, turn to quake. some players look for games that are 'hard to master', other players, the vast majority, just look for fun games, and quake is not immediately fun, which the entire point of this column, which i reiterate in my comment. why can't you see it?

I have been witnessing lately how stubborn you were in a discussion and how I could answer/re-answer to you for a decade we'd still end up nowhere.

I'll just say this: I can clearly see how ffa, instagib or clan arena help quake, but still not how shootmania does. It does some good maybe, somewhere, somehow, why not. But it still does more harm than good to Quake.

Also, back when I discovered quake in 1997 or so, I had a huge load of fun, despite getting my ass handled for countless years. Quake is fun, it's probably a lot funnier than shootmania is even for a beginner, but SM is under the hype right now, and quake has suffered from a very poor marketting. That's all.

edit: countless weeks -> countless years* :D

Don't misunderstand me in my previous reply by the way: I don't mean it is negative to be stubborn and to defend your opinion and ideas. But I don't feel like going into one of those endless discussions i've seen of you all accross esr, it's already tiring to read those... And secondly, I don't like the patronizing tones you've taken to reply to me. I can see where this is going and I'd rather end this now ;).

i talk differently with everyone, depending on circumstances, so it's really up to you where this is going.

i've exemplified the principle, it's the principle of accessibility and overall enjoyment. if you see it apply to ffa and instagib, can you explain to me how this principle doesn't apply to shootmania?

by this principle, person can sit down and play shootmania and it seems like he knows what he's doing. he keeps playing it, he figures out how important air control is, and other aspects of non-realistic FPS that hes kept away from in BF3. this person sees quake, and suddenly understands how it would enable him to apply his SM skills better, he tries quake. or he doesn't, and continues to play SM. if he doesn't like quake after SM, he never would have liked quake to begin with, so it doesn't hurt quake. what do you disagree with?

Dream on. Think about a bit: SM player goes in QL to play it/try it first time. When he says something like this (in positive way): Wow this game is more fun (something like this) certainly he get so many hate and bashing that hes going quit playing QL for rest of his life. :D

And I dont think they going play QL because new generation players dont even want to learn it, they have no patience for this type of game (ofc there is few ppl who want to have challenge). :\

This is what I think, ofc. maybe Im wrong. :o

THIS IS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THIS COLUMN.

The attitude of QL players IS DETRIMENTAL.

What you're saying about the fanbase from Starcraft is right on. I discovered Quake Live because of a thread on teamliquid in 2008. Saw some VODs of a tournament, I think it was IEM, and I was fascinated. I'm still a pretty casual player (1260 duel elo, I'm really bad), but I watch all the Quake streams I can, and I recently got a pro subscription. I didn't discover this game as early as others, but I really enjoy playing and watching it. I can't be the only one in my position.

"they give us the respect and maybe some viewers/casual players here or there"

Actually, the SC2 community is going to have a very resounding indirect effect on quake. The effect SC2 has had is to help create the e-sports industry as we know it. Due to SC2 and all of the communities work, they have secured endorsements, sponsor deals and with streaming developed a sustainable model for many pro-gamers. Many other important individuals in the scene, commentators, tournament organisers and content producers can now support themselves fully and reliably on e-sports for an income which in turn grows e-sports. The infrastructure has grown massively since the release of SC2 and it's on the back of that infrastructure that, if Quake will ever have a chance or anything like Quake in the future, it's because of the foundation in PC e-sports that was created by SC2 and LoL.

I suppose I'm sceptical that QL will ever rise to any kind of prominence at this point, it's all about the next game. I don't think Shootmania is that game but I also don't think Shootmania can hurt Quake. Does LoL hurt Dota? LoL is a much more accessible and "dumbed down" version of Dota, but the Dota community thrives regardless.

LoL and Dota play totally different tbh; To me it's like comparing ut and quake; they look the same and share many things in common but each has its pros and cons that people like or dont like. People do not play both, they play either one or the other afaik. The LoL fanbase is totally different to the Dota one and I doubt that so many people make the transition from LoL to Dota.

Furthermore, I think shootmania is SO bad and will be such a FLOP that it will actually hurt quake and FPS games in general... Atleast LoL is a good game, it's been a success thus far. Therefore I don't think you can compare LoL/dota with SM/QL

Agree Shoot mania feels like they made for competitive play but no fun playing it at all .

Yeah decimating the few professional players we have left definitely helped us. We need more of those Shootmania games.

do you want to pray on "professional players" or skilled players enjoying the game for what it is? and yeah, it actually did help us, by making people pronounce the word quake who wouldn't have before.

The exposure is worth less than the customer loss almost every time. In what earth does Red Bull benefit from Monster being there?

yes, i guess in the earth where QuakeLive is the Red Bull of the energy drinks, everyone should be happy to be seen next to it. how do I get to that earth?

You have no problem with Shootmania being Monster, though. lol.

I have no problem with unknown, unpopular, game such as QuakeLive being mentioned to people who never heard of this before, and I'm repeating myself.

My point was that because of competition, they're abandoned more than mentioned\supported. Don't dodge the topic.

The biggest problem would be the inconsolable nature between different mods, communities and games. Tolerance is a good trait, however we'd get lost in translation. Here's an example: as an instagib freeze player I understand the finesse of a CPM duel, as a CPM dueller, I enjoy the calmer movement, more prerequisites for more precise map control and harder to hit projectiles of vq3, and as a vq3 dueller I embrace the elements which build on insta freeze (which are basically not dying too much, sticking in groups and melting your frozen team-mates).

But I can still see and realise the discrepancies which make cpm/vq3 fanboys foam at the mouth at each over since the early 2000s, and how insta freeze can be seen as a minimalistic take on quake by everybody else. And they'd be right. I mean from a marketing standpoint it would make sense for a hub for deathmatch gaming like esreality to call for tolerance (although I doubt there is any need: the funniest and most entertaining reads always come from times of turmoil, and all the different quasi-communities don't need to be in love with each other to be accepted on esr, as they get along just fine... and any negative comments this particular cup is getting is down to the stubbornness and stupidity of the main admin rather than any beef between the noghost crowd and non-noghost crowd.

As a quake player who constantly duels, has CA as most played team gametype but enjoys TDM the most, and ironically admins CTF over on clanbase and kuh3liga, still keeps in touch with the cpm community and randomly plays pickups and even ventures into noghost for fun (and originates from the dark hole that is excessiveplus from a couple of years back), and bought his quake clan 12 ut2004 keys in the last steam sale in order for us to compete in ut2004 competitions, and plays LoL but enjoys dota2 on a bigger scale, I say tolerance is over-rated.

I dont know what the fuck is this but someone needs to do a "pirated" Q3 version like QL with everything for free and hidding the server so it doesnt get shut down by ID.

cliffs?

boring column

by an instagib player

that still plays 1.16

Idiot.

the column was boring (and stupid, with little knowledge or relevance to actual quake communities or esreality in general)


King Regards,

A partially-instagib player that sometimes plays 1.16 c:

nobody in their right mind would diss qw or q2.

but playing instagib isn't playing quake, it's playing 1/10 of quake.

from a pure spectator perspective i found q2 incredibly boring to watch.

maybe it wasnt hard dissing all the time on all websites and in all communitys. but i joined quake with quake3, came very late to quake universe, and in my quake forum there were many q2 players and they bashed verbally quake3 all the time. and the qw players moaned about q3 cpm as a copy of quakeworld and said "why play a copy when you can play the original". q3 internally had the rivalery between osp and cpma, this on top...

the thing was, i wasnt ready for the past quakes, i needed time to discover it all. the bashing from all sides on quake3 didnt help me. it actually had the negative effect to blocked me for a long time from trying qw and q2.

the teasing happend again with quake4. for example a veteran says on q4 server to a new guy "lets play q3 cpm duell and i show you whos the best". thats just lame behaviour. i see this latent behaviour all the time, 1 game is superiour and all the others are bad.

im a bit shocked that uve been playing instagib for so long and are still sensitive to bashing.

i thought all quake players are sensitive

but they are not quake players

lol

you are a mother fucking beast if you played q2

appreciate their devotion to play such an old version of QUAKE rather saying "oh noobs still play that"

these ppl had the chase to play ql, but since they have no money, and not really interested in paying for a game in any form, they gonna stay there and play their little free cracked game in 1.16. look at the instapickup with all those cheap ass polish players who cant pay for a premium.
2nd: nobody even dares to flame on a q2 player, so like this two statement and the rest of your whine is invalid, go back to your cave.

Oh what a poor way of justifying things. "They play that game because they have no money to pay" :) Do you think you are the richest among them by paying at most 48$ a year to id which is even lower than the money the most people i know in 1.16 spend in a week? Do you think these people are so poor and cannot save 4$ a month? What you can't understand is these people are nearly all adults and they work, they play 1.16 NoGhost because they love this mod. I personally speaking love Noghost and its gameplay more than QL's in terms of insta. Noghost mod has some advantages over QL but it is losing them very quick these days, but still NoGhost has an anticheat feature which is able to catch most of the old cheats. QL doesn't have cheat protection right now. A new noghost with an effective anticheat will surpass QL in many ways. Shortly we play 1.16 just because we love it not because we don't have money.

The thing which makes Quake the best FPS is the map and item control. It gives it a macro (item timing) / micro (positioning, dodging, aim) thing that puts it on par (or above) RTS games like Starcraft.

If you're just playing instagib, you're missing out on the core aspect of what makes Quake > other FPSes and you may as well be playing CS. Instagib only has those micro elements, which include aiming/dodging/positioning, but its only with one of the weapons, and the most simple one too.

Its understandable if people don't see instagib as quake, and you're deluded if you think it really is.

I wont even answer to medve, I think someone has already demonstrated he got a really restricted point of view and mind.
About the macro and micro thing, you are not totally wrong aaa, but please accept the fact that macro part can be different than the one you are used to.
The macro, in Insta 3v3 for example is all about team work and map control. Also, you can say that railgun is the easiest weapon, but dont forget there is an easy weapon from both sides. its not about fragging a lightning gunner in the air, as 90% of the shots made by a railgun in aw mods are the easy air frags or that kind... The real rail frags must be made with an impressive reflex, and a great timing because you have no way to take back RL if you miss your shoot.
Having only a railgun can be also seen as a handicap, and we all worked a lot to manage this railgun in every situation, in every map, and I think the people who call insta players newbs should come in our arenas and meet our best active players, just to have a good laugh.

I respect aw players, and I wish these players did aswell.

Xiu, one of the poor noobs, but still Q3A lover.

should come in our arenas and meet our best active players, just to have a good laugh

ohhhh u r bad, u r really baaaaddddd. I am so scared :(((. I might come but want someone to hold my hand while being there.

no, lets play rock paper scissors better

Words, only words, I think you must be a flood pro gamer.
But you are not the kind of little mind I was trying to reach with my post.
Xiu

I wont even answer to medve, I think someone has already demonstrated he got a really restricted point of view and mind.

His point was extreme, but had a background point. Extreme because ng and ql insta are interchangeable, and a lot of people do play both (or mostly, people play ng and have tried QL. The reason he has a point is because ng still, for 8 years, runs on a 1.16 point release which is backwards as shit, and is home to plenty of bugs, and has almost no redeeming features: VSP server stats only partake part of the info, stats are minimal, accuracy, in-server war configs and so much more is just fucked as a result. Not to mention the fact if you are an existing quake3 player, you need to downgrade from 1.32e (or 1.32c) to 1.16n, which involves deleting half your pk3 files and running the point release update. I still want to play CPMA, OSP and shit so I have 2 copies of quake 3 cos I can't be bothered going back and forth.

Also, where exactly have you demonstrated that medve has a narrow mind, and to be honest this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black)))

The macro, in Insta 3v3 for example is all about team work and map control.

As opposed to 4v4 TDM, which punishes teamwork with a higher score, and really looks down on map control because it makes shit too easy? Both good teamwork and map control are is the basis of any FPS game. Map control? Let's look at the thoughts and voicecomm communications of a top 4v4 TDM clan and compare those with a noghost.

TDM: okey the time is 2:09 quad is 2:38 so we have one more armor cycle before we secure the quad are, ra is in 8 seconds, upper YA is in 17, railgun spawns at 2:26 so whoever is in the mega room at the moment secure it please and then we attack and attempt to take red since it would have spawned about 5-8 seconds after the quad.
instagib: HEY GUYS LETS STAND IN MEDKIT AREA AND CLICK OUR LEFT MOUSE BUTTON WHEN A WILD ENEMY APpeARS.

Team work is slightly more advanced in instagib freezetag, simply because now you have to pay attention to team overlay, but it's still miles below any other game mode, even than clan arena because you don't need to pay attention to the health of your teammates, just their location.

Also, you can say that railgun is the easiest weapon, but dont forget there is an easy weapon from both sides.

It's not "easy", it's just having it out 100% of the time, you see some of the fundamental flaws: because you rely on your rg in every situation, your acc becomes lower since a tdm/ctf/duel/ca/even FFA ffs only gets railgun out on selected time s so you notice the good shots and the continuons connection between hits a lot more (something is wrong with my headphones... all I hear is Impressive (c) ProZaC (also (c) Deus c: ))

its not about fragging a lightning gunner in the air, as 90% of the shots made by a railgun in aw mods are the easy air frags or that kind.

If he is "in the air" then he shouldn't have LG out in the first place, he in fact should have rail or rocket out. The guy who is "not in the air" shouldn't have a rail out and instead capitalise on his falling adversary by catching him in his mighty shaft-beam). There is also a very large difference between just shooting someone who is "in the air" moving very slowly and for example a 90 degree vertical flickshot over an enemy that jumps through a small gap. And 90% of the shots made by a railgun in "all weapon mods" are not easy frags or that kind just because 1) no matter what mod it is ( I assume it must have been Clan Arena since if you tried your hand at TDM or Duel, your brain would have an aneurysm), people don't pointlessly hang around in the air waiting to get railed and 2) Some amazing rail gun clutch moments can happen on any server and any skillset and 3) the reason those hits dont end in as those frags 90% of the time is because it's not 1 hit 1 kill in normal quake)

Normally this is where I would just stop writing because it's obvious to all but the most nonchalant observers that whoever wrote that post above mine is a complete fucking moreng and has no idea what he is talking about, but I'll move on amicably and finish this anyway c:

The real rail frags must be made with an impressive reflex, and a great timing because you have no way to take back RL if you miss your shoot.
Having only a railgun can be also seen as a handicap, and we all worked a lot to manage this railgun in every situation, in every map

So noghost is more difficult than real quake because 1) you need to have impressive reflexes and great timing, and because there are no other weapons? Because obviously when you have a fast-firing weapon that kills instantly upon a hit no matter how much HP the opponent has, then shit just got real and there's no way to switch to rocket (i know right?). Just because YOU managed to play with railgun, doesn't mean people like deus/linkin/winz/pavel/k1llsen/av3k/tox/etc couldn't do it much better than you. IF ONLY THEY CARED. More on that next point.

I think the people who call insta players newbs should come in our arenas and meet our best active players, just to have a good laugh.

Well 1) Clanbase iCTF was won by a high-grade real CTF clan who were playing iCTF for like the first time ever as a team, and they ploughed through the tournament without a single map dropped.

2) There was an autistic but somewhat good player from excessive named Skullhead who always prides himself on his lazery. Well, Skullhead one day ventured into #cpmpickup and after plenty of funny moments, and after a TDM or NTF pickup game where he raged at his team for laughing at him, and said "if this was instagib, i'd own any of you". Well, Hal9000 (a CPM dueller) was like "k" and they played instagib mode on cpm22(aerowalk). Skull got raped by about 3x the points. Granted, noghost makes excessiveplus look like something between MENSA and The Harvard Graduates Club, but same principle applies: just because you spend all your time playing instagib only, doesn't mean that a good player with reaction and hand-to-eye co-ordination won't rape you senseless just cos he's not from an instagib environment.

3) Veni, Vedi, Vici

I'm an ELO 1300-1500 dueller, so as far as QL duel is involved I'm somewhere between "pretty shit" and "ok", and there are 3000 players higher ranked than me (granted, about 70000 are ranked worse, but that's not the point: there are thousands people who could out-brain or out-aim me or both as far as duel is concerned). I was told by a friend about noghost pickup in January. Joined it, played it, made some friends, joined a clan made by some friends, we won both cups that I entered the clan with. gg no re. I still think that instagib is a lighter version of quake and anyone who takes it seriously has no idea about timing (of items, not your railgun reload...the first involves non-stop concentration for 10-20 minutes, the second involves counting to 1)

I respect aw players, and I wish these players did aswell.

The mere fact you refer to every mod and gametype as "allweapons" and clump them together implies you both don't respect and don't understand anything apart from the mod you come from, and even there, you don't seem to show a lot of knowledge.

Sorry, seeing such along post I couldnt help jumping directly to your conclusion. Enough to understand you consider yourself omniscient, though you dont have a better experience of quake 3 Arena than me, just a DIFFERENT experience. When you and all your followers will understand finally than there is no need to say a mod is better than another(or maybe it does bring something in your (no)life??), then maybe one day we will be able to merge quakers from everywhere and make them play under a single banner(which was totally the topic here). But this day has not come yet, it seems.

Oh and one thing more, I dont think I am a good quaker, anyway far from being a pro player, but this has never been my aim, I just play the game I like and am asking here to get respect toward the whole online community that I am a part of.

Xiu

Nice that in the same post you showed that you nothing about what you are talking about, that you are too stupid to read my post AND resorted to baseless name calling when you ran out of arguments.

We all have different experiences, to which I agree. And your argument about how "we're all different" is bullshit. I mean it would totally work if I knew nothing about instagib (like you know nothing about a/w quakes), then you would have a fair argument, and you would have enlightened me.

Too bad that I play noghost with clan [13] which won the both cups I've entered with them so far :c

The original poster tries to grapple with issues he has no understanding of, and you seem to follow in the same road. Unite who? under what? My experience (which is apparently not better than yours) also involves CPM, noghost, QL "a/w", QL insta, OSP and other, lesser-known mods. All of them have their own playerbases, places to meet up and communities and different levels of socialisation, and all on different tempo. Esreality does act as a "central hub" for deathmatch-game related news (and other genres get a mention here too), and clan arena and other, even lesser modes do get mocked by some ("lol ca, etc"). But nobody minds it because 1) They are right, and in fact, noghost (and any form of instagib) is virtually a dumbed-down part of Quake 3 and 2) As long as someone enjoys the gameplay with friends, why give a fuck about somebody thinking less of what you play? I mean I know instagib is just the very basic part of quake3, and the people who are playing exclusively instagib (especially on 1.16) in 2012 won't lose any sleep over Memento_Mori, Death(eThaD) or any other number of highly respectable members of QL/CPMA who have done a shitload of respectable work dont like or disregard instagib.

I suggest taking everything with a pinch of salt, and I personally myself haven't seen much (or any) serious insta-bashing here on esr, or anything extremely going along the lines of "all insta players are noobs" mentioned by nobody except the dedicated insta players as a defense mechanism. Especially since they are :P

Xd plz

all insta players are noobs

hf playing with 1 gun out of 9

turk: "Health bars and items are for pussies"

All Quakers are True Quakers! Even though ESREALTY Sports Organisation does not take QW, Q2 and Q3 srsly!

We should re-unite under 1 banner and go play Quake3.
And by Quake3 I totally omit OSP and CPMA and mean a rarely-updated mod on 1.16 point release.
And only then only for my crappy organisation, with all the rules and regulations and team sizes power-regulated by me.

And bannable offenses would include having a sense of humour, writing unapproved posts, telling main admin to fuck off, not taking a cup for a shitty instagib mod more seriously than Dreamhack. being a friend or a clanmate of a guywho told the admin to fuck off. Oh, also please stop writing negative things about my shitty cups and dont write anything bad about instagib at all since we're all brothers by trade and all because I also fire from a railgun so I'm a Quaker like you.

Q3RTRDD.com

I'm a better railgun user than cooller

Who is cooller? Must be noob cos not from noghost

noghost faster more skill

hey guys me best quaker in the world cod sucks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa4kEu2xohc

Great showing of skill and moviemaking. I don't think any duellers could rail so good in QL.

faster skill pussycat

Stop your spam I have no time to read. Still wonder how you can have all that time to spend just to be right in the end, sounds funny.
And I bet you are ass hurt because you got banned from q3 reloaded, and so you want to destroy the community that you were not allowed to join. Thats basic, and sad for you.
HF in your future (no)life.

Xiu

it's time to move on to the next weapon, RL for example. Maybe that one also takes you 15 years to learn.

In what purpose ?
I like playing with railgun, dont feel frustruated because some people can have fun without ruining their life wanted to show they are the best. The problem is not our community, its the non-tolerant and haters nolife that you represent very well, and I see you are frustruated that we can make competitions all together, without gods like you(lmao).
I'm leaving this place, I prefer letting you in your dreams. One day you will understand ;) have a good wake up.

(those replies above are not spam and is a side-conversation that spawned between me and =Avenger= and have nothing to do with you. But noghosters with no interest in real quake and new to esr would have a problem reading the post structure of esr)

We've established that you are too stupid to read long sentences (what can you expect from an instagibber huh) so I will make this post shorter than before

I mean I am not happy with being banned but I am not overly offended about that ( something I just took with a pinch of salt). However, I am not "ass hurt", I left that website before I was banned or had any indication I would be banned because the admin kept deleting posts of me and some other people. So I just basically logged out and that would have been the end of it. And I wouldn't have a problem if he was just writing some random posts about his cup, especially if they got a good fanbase (would be good for him and for ng community). Unfortunately he insists on writing posts about things and communities he doesnt understand, making horrible administrative decisions within the cup (as a clanbase supervisor and kuh3liga admin I would know a fuck up when I see one). And he seems to bringing his idiot minions so they could not understand things together.

I don't want to destroy a "community" since that Turkish guy is already doing a great job doing that anyway.

And don't know if you used all 3 of your braincells to make a "(no)lifer" pun, but since you are a reloaded fanboy and a noghoster, I will assume you have Down's syndrome, which would also explain your bad reading and debating comprehension, and your inability to understand a game such as Quake3 despite playing for so long :)

it's like getting banned from a soccer league for 12 year olds, or from special olympics. No one gets mad for that.

Or having your AGP ranking points removed for making an elaborate fun of the Association of Gaming Professionals and making StreetRunneR sound like a Nigerian Prince c:

1: when was the last update for the mod/ac?
2: tell me how many of them own a real q3?

i dont even know why do i reply to this. im gonna be deleted after a day like shadyak, just for speaking about the other side of the coin.

1: in 2009.

when did shadyak get deleted? i can supply plenty of real admin abuse, no need to make shit up. also, you're being plenty reasonable and not abusive in your post, no one gets moderated for "just speaking about the other side of the coin".

I did get a deletion by xou, but he also sent me a private message explaining what got deleted and why. I agreed with him from the start and re-made the post with the "offensive" part (if I remember correctly, it was something along of "Turkish retard of an admin" or something) re-edited to no longer be "slanderous" and the only part I disagreed with was the deletion rather than nuking of my previous post (same thinig happened to one of hypno's posts - got deleted for calling the admin a "fucking wannabe" or something).

I'm not contending the deletion itself. Freedom of speech is a legit form of communication, but it sort of streches on esr, and normally anything goes even though sometimes it shouldn't.

And by the fact that within 2 weeks of lazy half-assed posts by me, some of which include RLDD, I've exchanged im's with Demiurge, Twister and xou all about my posts and comments about RLDD implies that the account q3reloaded.com is on a Wolrd-class snitch-a-thon about basically every post he disagrees with.

I'm not sure the analysis is completely correct (qw, q2 are old enough to be sacred), but I understand and agree with the spirit.

One observation is that as any group of human beings, we stand divided within the group but united against our foes, meaning that when the deal is Quake vs any other game, every single single-map, single-weapon player counts as Quaker.

What I think could be the message is to try to be positive and share the beauty about the mod you play. I played Ra3 for years before starting with duel. I could give you (and I did in my past posts) many reasons why I think duel is "superior" competitively, but I have also tons of good memories of playing with friends and clan members, of entire nights in servers with a fun-driven mindset, and all the lans in italy and so on.

In the end, the principle of self-determination applies, and if you feel you are a Quaker then you are a Quaker... oh wait :O

DUEL, TDM and MAYBE CTF are the main mods. By saying main I mean that they are nice to watch and you can understand what is going on. All other mods in (quake 3/ql) are same as you play zombie mod in counter strike 1.6... Must be clear enought :)

what does that "maybe" mean?!

it means ctf is shit (unless there's air control)

ctf is awesome! best mod ever!

Who gives a shit about what others think? Iv been playing Q3 for over 10 years now and i love almost every aspect off it. If you wanna bash my version or my mod go a head, i don't give a **** about what you think about the stuff I LOVE.

It doesn't matter what mod/version i prefer, or what mod/version you prefer. We both love the version/mod we play and we shouldn't bash others for what they love to play. Everyone has a different taste.

lol.

Positive message, yet has clearly labelled and not-too-discreet political undertones a la 'my new gaming "corporation" is srs business and you shouldn't say bad things about my 1.16 cup on a stripped down platform of quake" and "all Quakers should unite... on q3reloaded.com"


I for one, disagree, having played thoroughly not only every quake imaginable ( my thoughts, and everybody else's on the generalisation of quake mods and titles and what each one means to a different person can be found in this thread (warning: it's a raythenoob thread, but written in one of his moments of sanity, and actually breeds a lot of healthy discussion on which game/mod was favourite), not only every quake imaginable but basically every single player expansion, all the major deathmatch mods going back to qw days in the mid-90s and all the way to just little-known standalone launching games, copycat quakes, clones and direct competitors such as ut99/2k3/2k4/painkiller (ut3 was shit and I only played the demo version and didn't enjoy to the warrant of installation), and I just don't see the point of this message, simply because:


1) This logic is completely retarded from every way you look at it. For one, participants of other quake mods/games are not prejudiced against other communities for "not being quakers", they are prejudiced against instagib in particular, because it was designed, and is a lighthearted version of quake where you just warm up your 180 flickshots and rail some newbs. It's not meant to be a super-serious clan competition.

2) On esreality, QW, Q2 and CPMA/OSP get mad reps here, despite being mentioned by the OP as "groups that don't get seen as real quakers" (and anybody here for a long period of time would be able to see that CPMA movies get insanely positive ratings, quake2 and QW cups get a fuckton of nostalgic and respectful comments as well as coverage.

3) The people who come from older games and are currently in QL do still love and cherish the game they plapped before: Purri and Damiah still take part in Q2 comps (and were the 2 dominant player for a long time until the emergence of David c: ), DDK did a whole awesome youtube channel covering and analysing high-grade CPM, QW and QL games, and if anyone has a long conversation with Diabz or Ani without at least one reference to Quake4, my hat is off to them (not to mention the entire mod of CPM, which basically is still around). No-one looks at people for being noobs for playing something older. Something different? Sure. That's human nature to be xenophobic of something weird or simplified. Which takes me to the next point.

4) Elitism works, on a grander scheme of things, along with Nepotism and Narcissism and a lot of other negative-sounding terms which end with ISM, which all make sense. Would you rather give preferential treatment to a relative/close friend or a stranger? If you spent a lot of time trying to look good why not check yourself out of a mirror? If you spent a lot of time practicing duel to qualify for a LAN, why not laugh at a dumbed-down version of CA where there's only one weapon, and that kills immediately upon a hit?

I am not saying I'm a proponent of any of those 3 examples, (I am, in fact, hovering in the middle ground, where you neither Oppose nor Endorse and just merely Accept their existence), but I can see the thought process of a player who is really focused on a complicated aspect of quake, and did his time to know good map control, timing, movement, weapon selection and situational awareness; when you are locked into that kind of mindset, why not laugh at a mod that tries to take itself super-serial when it's removed all elements of skill that are listed above (and you tried so hard to achieve).

I'm all for tolerance, but there is a difference between tolerance and totalitarianism: I casually play a shitload of quake games and mods (player of all, master of none c: ) and have acquaintances in a majority of those, and I enjoy playing them (noghost being one of them), but to have them all on the same slate? that seems to be an extreme. Let's just put it that way, in the words of George Orwell: we're all equal, it's just some of us are more equal than others.

That's basically it. Overall a poor trolling attempt by the OP, 4/10 Overall a good journal with a positive message. Too bad it's full of idiocy and misinformation. c:

http://www.q3reloaded.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=26

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1.16, says it all really.

No other words than "lol".

did i just read something about qw/q2/cpm getting bashed on esr? :D also, instagib, 1.16n, jesus christ.

HAHA

haha :D

nick almost stealz0r

Elitism = People being bastards to each other the internet

quakers all love each other really

You play 1.16 instagib and you expect to be treated with the same respect as players who play versions of quake with more than 1 weapon?

You're weird.

without items
1/10000 the players

I like how I got the most [+] in this thread ))

I really started to like those QL CA servers with promode movement, fast weapon switch and vampiric damage. Really makes your head spin after a while. When you switch back to vanilla quake, it seems so easy and natural to hit midairs and sick flick rails.
Playing duel is quite boring in my opinion. I never got a hang of the tactical side of quake. Not that I am stupid, just irrational and way too emotional.
If I want to chillout, there's always Tribes :)

everyone knows that war is bad, but i doubt there was a period in history that had no wars. Humans "like" conflict.

i also think it was healthier if players respected and tryed other games once in a while, in a league just for them. in qw we have a league for rookies with 2 divisions: one for real rookies, other for advanced rookies (other quakes players).