dash to make tight turns. you lose no momentum this way.

You should use cg_oldmovement 1 definitely. Autohop doesnt really matter, personal preference, also try changing in_mouse maybe, made it a little different for me.

Dont think in_mouse does anything other than initialise the mouse if it is non-zero and turn it off if it is 0. m_raw 1, on the other hand, drastically improved my input latency and got rid of the accel i use in windows.

All people coming from quakes will find it much more comfortable by using oldmovement.

But I think you'll discover the real trick is to start using dash properly. It isn't complicated. Use it for start running, then continue with a strafe jump and from there keep strafe running or bunnyhopping as you prefer.

Another dash trick, which is what probably you haven't discovered yet, is that you can do radical turns in speed by using a dash. Get speed, do a sudden turn in air and fall with a dash.

The walljumps also help to gain speed if you do them in the right angles (bouncing on the wall).

Dash and walljump moves usually work better if combined with strafe jumping than with bunnyhopping, but it's not a set on stone rule.

EDIT: Just to clarify: I call strafe running to the continous jumps with forward and strafe keys. I call bunnyhopping when it's only strafe key. I'm sure most will understand me, but I prefer to avoid confusion.

Aha, some food for thought and material for practicing. Thanks!

Sweet, thanks!

Ok so. jal allready said a lot of things. I will try to explain the radical turn a bit more since he only described it very briefly.

So lets take a real ingame situation. You are playing a duel on wdm5 (Viciiou's Lair) and you are going for the Red Armor located on the sewer-level of the map beneath the Electrobolt. It's a very dangerous location since there are only three ways out of the room and one of them is only accessible if you use a gunblade-jump or rocket jump.
So you come in from the mid-stairs make the U-turn normally and now you are running towards the RA. your opponent could be waiting above you at the hole in the celling or at the platform where the teleporter exit is. If you take too long to take the RA and turn around he will dish out a shitload of damage making your RA worth nothing. What you'll have to do:

1. Run towards the RA in a straight lane building up speed.
2. When you have done the last jump before landing on the RA, release all pressed keys and make a 180°-turn with your mouse while in the air so you are now facing the dirrection you were coming from.
3. When you land on the floor press your +forward button and your special-key so that you make a dash into the dirrection you are facing.

Like this you won't loose any speed (if you came in with 600 ups you will dash back with the same 600 ups) and you are off from beneath that celling-hole. From there you can go into the Teleporter or go back trough the mid-stairs. This move can be done on other maps too. For example at the Mega Health on wdm6, at the Yellow Armor on wdm17 or at the Red Armor on wdm2. Just practice those 180s a bit and you will soon be able to get items from dangerous locations so fast that your opponent won't be able to give you any damage at all.

i have never pressed +fwd, just released all keys and clicked dash. I find it easy to accidentally press left or right too early otherwise dashing you into a wall. Plus you lose some speed if you click forward too early.

Thank you, it was very descriptive, plus I have now a real scenario to practice against! :)

Thanking to your precise instructions, now I can do this trick in sterile conditions (like when I'm alone on the map :) And yes, hitting special key without +forward key pressed usually yields noticeably faster speeds. But now I have another question:

I noticed that I losing speed on stairs as well. Is there any trick which I should know which will allow me to conserve speed when I moving up the stairs? Right now I just trying to hit jump key continuously while on stairs (like in QL) and it seems that it doesn't work right every time.

strafe jump up stairs with autohop ( or spam jump ) or with new movement hold forward.

There are several ways of going up stairs depending on what type of stairs it is and what movement you use.

1. The autohop-feature like Rauvz allready mentioned. You don't have to hit the jump button on every jump in Warsow since 0.5. Just hold down the jumpbutton at the first jump of a run and the next time you land on the floor you will automatically jump again. Like this you can go up stairs without loosing speed. However if you don't like the Autojump feature you can disable it trough the console by typing in "/cg_NoAutohop 1". Then you just will have to learn how to time your jumps on stairs like you had to in pre 0.5 and also in CPMA and Painkiller.

2. Look out for ramps around the stairs. Some stairs have ramplike trims at the left and/or right ends of the stairs or in the middle of the stairs (the mid-stairs on wdm5 leading to the semi-open hallway with the teleporter and the GA). Here you can just slide up the ramp instead of going up the stairs:
1. Make your way to the ramp.
2, When you land on it release jump and possible left/right keys, only hold +forward.
3. Hold your mouse still (be sure to look in your desired dirrection before landing on the ramp).
4. Press the special key. Now you will slide up the ramp.

The negative effect of this technique is that the ramp will give you some good ammount of air when you shoot out of it making you an easy target for EB and RL hits.

3. If the stair is small and you have a wall at one of the sides of it you can just do a walljump off the wall and land on the upper level of the stair (for example the mid-stair to RA on wdm5).

And as usually, very extensive answer. Thank you!

This dash in the opposite direction , was this possible in the earlier versions? Cant remember the players flying around like rubber balls somehow, but maybe I am just getting old :((

It was. Players get better with time and now there are more insane flying pigs than before.

Oldmovement 1!

When I first tried this game(for the 2nd time) I didn't noticed how low my fps was, I guess the game is defaulted on high settings(although I did notice my mouse movement did feel a little retarded -- accely). So at first I didn't even notice it until someone came in with real movement lol.

So this might be obvious to most but make sure your fps is solid at something preferably 120 and doesn't drop :)

It's dead on at 125 FPS. :)

cool, just covering all bases :)


My monitor isn't working, hmm could be a blown a capacitor or the back light is broken... asks billion questions. O it wasn't plugged in nvm click :D:D

cg_oldmovement 1
cg_noautohop 1

profit.

i literally barely use special key unless absolutely needed. otherwise i treat race like CPM defrag and still pull pretty good times.

best settings for me:

cg_oldmovement 0
cg_noautohop 0

I guess we live on the opposite sides of the planet :D

Could you explain WHY it is best setting for you, comparing to opposite ones?

cg_oldmovement 0:
i don't feel any criminal diffrence between 0 and 1 in Strafe-Jumping and BunnyHoppng. And sometimes ForwardBunny is rather useful.

cg_noautohop 0:
I love autohopping, it easy to press +moveup once, than press it every time when you jump.

without autohop you can randomly (well cpm guys claiming it's only matter of skill) miss your jump/dj on stairs and lose your speed. only disadvantage is that you will need to learn to release jump button very quickly which will be necessary in some cases.
personally I prefer the way stairs are fixed in ql, but anyway IMO wsw way with autohopping is improvement over cpm

Thank you to the Warsow vets for their input in this thread, now I have a question. :D

What is the difference between "normal" movement and cg_oldmovement 1?

this has been answered 239103 times already

Yeah, I found the answer soon enough. :P

specially for you my dear sk4ut - Warsow Movement School with russian subtitles (button [CC] in the youtube's player):
http://youtu.be/xvTKiHSjbLI
http://youtu.be/bBeSIVX6_Vc
http://youtu.be/czNf6MVyQpo

p.s. welcome to http://vk.com/wsw_ru btw

Thank you!

so.. oldmovement 0 or 1 if u came from ql, and waht is better key for dash - space or mouse2?

there is no best way of keybinding, but everything that suits you would be fine.

my bindings are SPACE for Dash and MOUSE2 for Jump. Couse I'm used to play Quake3/4/L/W/2 with MOUSE2 for Jump.

But there are a lot of Pro Wsw Players which play with SPACE for Jump and MOUSE2 for Dash.

ye my dash is space too, but i feel like mouse2 will be better ;), maybe more practice will fix that ;)

i dont really think it matters which key u will be using for jumping since u can just push and hold >D

cg_oldmovement 1 will only disable forward bunnyhopping. You can leave it at 0 and still use the old movement-techniques like strafejumping and normal bunnyhopping. I would say leave it at 0.

I have jump on Space, Dash/Walljump on Mouse4 and Zoom on Mouse2, you of course need a mouse with sidebuttons for this.

m1 dash
m2 jump
space shoot

By the way would be nice to have a RJ script and be able to toggle zoom with a simple menu option.

sk4ut i don't know if you ever play cpm

but warsow is like cpm except you use instead of cj to start strafing the dash, and sometimes like many have say you use the dash off walls for a bit of speed if you can manage, though not very practical at newbie level.

you can also hold right click and it will auto-hop for you. then just move as you would in cpm. the dash can also be used to direct all your momentum to do crazy 180 turns. it's not too hard to master if you played lot of cpm

))))

How do you guys do the double dash when exiting the launchpad (bipbeta2-insta), between the two close walls? I have seen it numerous of times and watched the keys being pressed , but i still cannot figure it out...

I like the idea of the special key and the ability to wall jump.
However, I find it one to many keys for a fast-pace FPS.
Just my opinion.