Meanwhile on Mars...

Yes, people start wars because it's not illegal yet... lol

Ever since weapon and ammunition fabrication became a streamlined and profitable industry, every war, however big, however small, from each of the world wars right down to the most trivial of regional conflicts, can trace it's (true) roots to weapons manufacturers and defense contractors, bankers and everyone else who benefits from weapons sales.

The more wars = The more weapons and ammo sold = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Or are you just trolling?

I suggest you watch The Money Masters, a 3 hour 1996 documentary that does a nice job of explaining how all the machines cogs interact, or otherwise Lord Of War is a good dumbed down hollywood alternative for giving you a basic outline of the concept, with Nicholas Cage not being a complete fucktard for once.

Yes. Some people only learn when you beat the shit out of them.

Can a mod delete this thread?

lol

Nope. We don't delete threads with comments.

Just comments in threads....

you're very observant, but you forgot threads without comments.

why? were you high? :p

Yes

Ask some Germans, they know a lot about wars, after starting 2 world ones :DDddDD

on a side note: they lost both :DdDdDdD

bullies always lose in the end :P bullies get knocked out

also, I just saw this today The Moment Warsaw Stood Still and found it very moving (it almost brought a tear, even though I am a heartless bastard)

Eventho i find warsaw upspring uterlly stupid and sensless, i also honor the ppl of Warsaw who did fight and die for my country... Sadly more and more teenagers dont have any idea what happen on 1st august, and dont know what W-hour was :SSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Oh fuck... I read warsow :/

And I originally read "Clan war ever be justified?"

dueling? i always thought that was kinda cool.

btw war was always to obtain resources in order to the groups survival. bringing democracy? yes only an american can be that stupid. not every place on earth want democracy (even if u see it as your greatest invention). guess what most places want peace instead. you out to obtain their oil, so youll be able to keep up with your high standard of living. why the usa doesnt bring democracy to china, belarus, north korea or whatever country living in dictatorship? oh right, they dont have oil...
its just always needs an ideology, because the sheep (80%+) dont understand numbers or dont agree to start war purely for money / resources. however killing the non-believers, the terrorist, the communist, etc... is something they can agree with.

Democracy just leads to shitty leaders who make decisions that are not in the interest of the people. They hold no responsibilities for their actions, and they only cater to the elite. Now in America, we have the choice between jew lover romney, or jew lover obambo. Its a one party system disguised as two, it doesn't matter who wins.

Democracy just leads to shitty leaders who make decisions that are not in the interest of the people.

when the fuck did that ever happen? democracy is essentially about people governing themselves, not handing the power over to oligarchs. that's what a republic is.

"why the usa doesnt bring democracy to china, belarus, north korea or whatever country living in dictatorship? oh right, they dont have oil..."
I understand what you want to say, but this is not the best example. The best example is Yemen, Egypt in Mubarak era and other dictatorial states who are/were supported by USA in the Middle East.
China and North Korea are nuclear power, so even if they'd have oil the USA politicians would be reticent to attack -maybe they'd use proxy wars instead.

Immoral Yes, very.. illegal Don't care, don't really care what's illegal or not, if it's not right, then it's just not right. Just as simple as that, a law wouldn't make it more wrong.

Dropping bombs on your moms
Fuck car alarms
Do without another,
Nigga with your Alpine

War... war never changes.

morality doesn't subvert reality. take the previous batman movie and the two boat scenario. what is the moral choice, to press a button or not to press a button, especially if there is a timer ticking that will blow up both boats. obviously the only moral outcome is to shoot up the next batman movie presentation.

what an awful example to quote that movie

And who will feed 6 billion people? We need to fall back to the dark ages only so humankind will survive longer than some prehistoric mosquito.

Is it justifiable to kill 10 million people once to ensure that 500 million other people will not suffer for many generations to follow?

To bring democracy ... ofcourse.
Fighting and killing to find new territories in order to force a flawed and broken form of government on to innocent people.

with the rise of artificial intelligence mankind will become redundant eventually in 100 years at the latest ... I guess if I would live at that time I'd chose some kind of matrix ... because life already now is so unnatural ... nowadays you have to be a woman and psychologically sick to get through life

nowadays you have to be a woman and psychologically sick to get through life

wat?

haha

International war has been declared illegal, since article 2 section 4 of the UN charter forbids the use of force by any member against another state (see also the Briand-Kellogg pact of 1928). The exceptions are cases of self-defense (chapter VII article 51) and decisions to use force by the Security Council (chapter VII article 42).

Yeah it was a great day when they introduced article 2 section 4. Hasn't been a war since.

I was responding to the first sentence in the OT, which ended with the question "why hasn't war ever been declared illegal [...]?", not judging the merits of article 2 section 4 - which still happen to be plentiful, despite the number of international conflicts that have occurred since 1945.

you know your shit, good on you. Thanks for the info

Cheers :-)

Honestly though what validity can such legality have when certain states can wage war as they choose?

here for you.

A critice of Kellogg pact:
Die Wendung zum diskriminierenden Kriegsbegriff.(1938)

Carl Schmitt

I've already read "Writings on war". Since there's been plenty of stuff written on the Briand-Kellogg act and I'm not interested in debating the issue, I'd like to point out again that I was not judging its merits but merely pointing out its existence in reply to the sentence in the OP I quoted in a post just above yours.

Hey, I saw some time ago that you had replied to my post with a message from your esr account. I was unable to reply with references at the time (you had asked if I had any good books to share) but had planned to eventually reply, so don't hesitate to leave me a message so I know the said references are going to reach you :-)

only the war against stupidty ))))))))

No.

Hitler?

England and France declared war on Germany, not the other way around.

and?

Hitler didn't want war, he was forced into it.

right D: how would u feel, having niggas tryna kill you while youis doing the world a favour?

read this


http://zioncrimefactory.com/the-six-million-myth/

ya im not gonna read that

hf remaining ignorant

i am, but i have a feeling its not because i didnt read that shit :D

documents are documents
based on valid or false statements, just because someone is doing presumably bias theories this is not a reason not to take a look on the documents

doesnt seem too healty for someone without any prior knowledge :l

This must be some dumbed down version of criticizing that no one has heard before. In order to negate a statement you have to read it first. Negating the person instead (in this case an entire so-called group of nazis, smth like this), a practice well known on this forum, has no scientific, nor human value.

i didnt bother to read it, because i dont have any core knowledge about ww 2 =) i could be fed bullshittiest story, and have no way to really argue it. thats why i wont bother to read it.

im allowed to negate my own knowledge, no?

wow dude, so much bullshit in there. Did it hurt when you got that swastika tattooed on your torso ?

I can't even fathom how you would believe in such idiocy. You are a fucking ignorant retarded piece of a human being and I sincerely hope you die.

Regards,

You have to understand, there's more than one kind of nazis :>

First you have the dumb uneducated working class skinheads with steel caps, wearing 14/88 tshirts and bomber jackets. Those are pretty easy to spot and there's no arguing with them - if you say something against their "ideology" then you are a jew or a sellout and deserve to get your teeth kicked out.

Then there are the slightly less but still pretty dumb "arguing nazis". Those types may have been skinheads in the beginning, but now they've matured - they dress normally and you wouldn't be able to tell they are nazis by looks alone, only when they open their mouth. Still, they will deny to death that they are "nazis" - they are maybe just patriots "who can think for themselves". They will cite so called "scientists" denying that the holocaust ever happened and Hitler was a victim of an international communist / capitalist / jewish conspiracy (pick one) out to destroy the pieceful german people. They will argue with you, showing you "facts" and telling you that there were no gas chambers and Auschwitz inmates died of cholera or some other disease. If you talk to them long enough, they will start to show their real nature - saying things like "niggers", "zionists", "white race", "they should be gassed etc". In the end, they will still call you a jew and a sellout if you don't agree with them.

And then there are the politicians of right wing parties, who will also deny to death that they are nazis and even embrace democracy and condemn antisemitism. However, when photos showing them performing the "roman salute" emerge, they will claim that those photos are taken out of context and misunderstood and hope for the story to blow over fast.

All the same shit though.

so what side do you think he's on ? I mean linking to a site made by a retard in 1999 doesn't really any spark of intelligence. Maybe he's just a troll...

Oh he's just the second kind - the dude who "thinks for himself" and "looks for what really happened". And no, no intelligence here :]

edit: I didn't look at the site, but by the url alone (thesixmillonmyth) I guess it talks about how the holocaust is a jewish / american invention made to keep Germany in check and paying reparations or some other shit. So yea, second kind.

basically it's just bullshit on how Jews invented the "six million" figure way before WW2 in order to create Israel and thought of WW2 as a good time to try. I love reading what retards make up, always entertaining.

Conspiracy theories always amaze me :D

Like The Flat Earth Society for example. They say the earth is flat, surrounded by an ice wall and if somebody ever comes near it, masked guards will either kill or capture them. Of course, all this is carefully kept hidden from us by the "world government".

Landing on the moon = fake ofc.
Mars / space / etc = fake.
Planets / stars = discs a couple km above the earth surface or smth.
Intercontinental flights = they just circle around the earth disc.
Curved horizon when high enough = properties of light.
Gravity = the earth disc is propelled upwards by dark matter engines. (!!!)

...and so on (it was a long time ago I read this so they may have revisited some of their "facts" in the meantime). People can come up with the most amazing theories when they want to justify a made up world order in their minds :]

You take as granted that the numbers are as high as the media say (somewhere close to 6 millions sent to gas chambers)?

You, sir, hit the nails on their heads

"You are a fucking ignorant retarded piece of a human being and I sincerely hope you die."

There's something clearly wrong with you. Isn't it illegal in your country to even question the Holoco$t?

Some "survivors" didn't tell hideous lies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm8UmMuRSSw&bpctr=1344378140

so stupid it hurts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyMVWVBmGVo&feature=related

Liberals will believe anything a Jew tells them.

I think it's true that the jews were placed into concentration camps,
but they are not the only ones, communists and enemies of the system were placed there too ...
but the number of jews that were killed can be questionend, it's hard to believe that from 1939 to 1945 six million jews died by german hand ... I mean 6 years = 2100 days, that means per day 3000 jews were killed, it's somehow very hard for me to believe this ... I mean you have to find them and also transport them and kill 3000 jews per day without any pause 24 hours a day to achieve this ... how can this be done? and in war don't you have to produce weapons, protect borders, prepare to attack the enemy, how can you have so much capacity at disposal for the annihilation of the jews?
it's also funny you know only about the jews, not about the 20 million soviets or something that died in ww2... also more than 6 millions of germans died there too

Mengele INNOCENT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9hFBLQphOg&feature=plcp

Non-white soliders in the wehrmacht/waffen-ss.

http://i.imgur.com/7AksD.jpg

idiot, sad

go to iraq and kill some guys, do some raping and enjoy, but leave

Was he forced into attacking Czechoslovakia and Poland?

Read that article, he had a perfectly legitimate reason to reclaim lost territory from WW1.

I guess that's a "no".

WW2 is a direct continuation of WW1 ...
WW2 resulted out of WW1 ... because of the debts that were imposed upon germany in the contract of versaille and all the discrimination germany experienced in that time as the so called "culprit" for WW1 ...
if you see WW2 as a direct continuation of WW1 you have to ask yourself why WW1 happenend, who really commenced the war ...

I mean there was some war between austria and serbia first ...
serbia was united with the soviets and called them for help ...
austria asked germany to help and germany helped ... maybe this was the greatest error of germany ever ... austria is in some way culprit for germany not being world power no. 1 .. first they landed them in a world war, then they send Hitler over to them ...
still this is now an affair between germany, austria and serbia, russia ... so why the hell does france and england now declare war on germany??? Why??? This is none of their business ... france having a bond with russia is a complete joke ... they are enemies, didn't napoleon fail to conquer russia? ... there was never any bond between them ...
IMHO, france and england declared war on germany because they couldn't stand the fact that they were far behind germany economically/culturally ... this war between russia and germany was their perfect opportunity to gain back power ...
and so they finally did ... the funny thing is although they called the whole world to help and imposed debts, took away a lot of land from germany they are still behind economically now ... and they also spread a lot of negative propaganda of germany ... in germany you won't read one negative thing about france or england, they are always treated with respect ... but you will hardly find any newspaper in france/england that does not try to defame germany in some way and they also spread the negative propaganda to their previous colonies like india or hong kong

First, I'd like to point out that some scholars have emitted doubts about the popular explanation that the debts Germany incurred as a result of the content of the Treaty of Versailles "directly led" to WW2.
Second, regardless of the fact that your analysis of the start of WW1 is laughingly biased and simplified, it still in no way leads to the idea that Hitler was somehow forced into attacking Czechoslovakia and Poland.

laughingly biased and simplified? You are so stupid that you linked to an article that directly confirms my analysis

Britain and France should have (according to Barnett) "divided and permanently weakened" Germany by undoing Bismarck's work and partitioning Germany into smaller, weaker states so it could never have disrupted the peace of Europe again.[50] By failing to do this and therefore not solving the problem of German power and restoring the equilibrium of Europe, Britain "had failed in her main purpose in taking part in the Great War".

This is just a different way of saying that the reason for going to war is to restore the equilibrum of europe, i.e. weaken germany!

Also another nice quote about the czech and polish reality:

French historian Raymond Cartier states that millions of Germans in the Sudetenland and in Posen-West Prussia were placed under foreign rule in a hostile environment, where harassment and violation of rights by authorities are documented.[55] Cartier asserts that, out of 1,058,000 Germans in Posen-West Prussia in 1921, 758,867 fled their homelands within five years due to Polish harassment.[55] In 1926, the Polish Ministry of the Interior estimated the remaining number of Germans at less than 300,000.[citation needed] These sharpening ethnic conflicts would lead to public demands to reattach the annexed territory in 1938 and become a pretext for Hitler′s annexations of Czechoslovakia and parts of Poland.[55]

Not so nice things that happened there it seems by these innocent and peaceful poles and czechs ...
I am pretty sure the czech thing is still not seen even by the german government as something valid ... see and germany gave all this away and is not making any demands anymore to this ...
it's also funny to see the poles hate so much on germany, but not on russia that took away half their real land and use them as some satellite state for 50 more years ... propaganda is such a nice tool

In case you didn't notice, I linked to that wikipedia entry to provide a source for my claim that some scholars have emitted doubts regarding the so-called "direct link" between reparations and WW2. The entire purpose of the link must have slipped your mind when you decided to use it to reply to only half of my post.

I called your explanation laughingly biased and simplified because of how you tried to completely absolve Germany of any responsibility for entering the war. I'm certainly not denying that power politics were at play, including on the side of the victors. You, however, are not interested in historical and factual accuracy but only in portraying Germany as a victim in both wars. Again, Hitler was certainly not forced into attacking Poland and Czechoslovakia, and was not planning on stopping there either.

that kind of mentality will just end up in endless wars >D

You can't argue with this guys. They think they know their shit.

In their opinion there is no connection between the existence of many millions of Israelis in Europe and Russia and the devastating wars in these regions at the time, and the existence of millions of Israelis now in the Middle East and the never ending wars there -like the Americans arrived there to intervene by their own free option. Maybe it is just an extraordinary coincidence that wherever they live in high numbers there are wars and famine. It is even written in their religious books.

I always found suspect the close ties between the US and Israel. What makes that country so damn important to the Americans? Why don't they have a neutral attitude toward Israel? Who is in charge of the most important banks of America? Who is using his influence to get the American government to support Israel? I don't have enough data but there are rumors who point toward Israelis and given the illogical support they have from the United States, the rumors seems highly plausible.

Mass-media is talking about how they were persecuted in WW2 but fails to search for the causes for this persecution, and this is highly suspicious. However fantastic the excuses for the prosecution of the Israelis, history lessons should mention them. If the history fails to mention the very causes of the hatred toward the Israelis in Europe, we must conclude that the reasons were justified. And maybe history keep silence over this matter because the Israelis are still doing their work with the same tools.

Mass-media is talking all day about how bad these Arab fundamentalists are, and I agree, extremists are dangerous to peace and prosperity (of many or maybe of a few!), but mass-media avoid the evil idea that is living as vibrant as ever at the core of the religion of Israel: that the people of Israel are the people of God. Israelis dare to accuse of racism based on genetic prove (or excuse) other nations but they find themselves perfectly justified to consider themselves above other people from a religious standpoint. The mentality that they are the true people of God is as dangerous as any other mentality who is propagating the idea of superiority and I think that the Israelis is the only people in the world who did not change it one bit, over thousands of years. Is there a more primitive ideology than this?

I talked a few months ago with someone and he said that despite their big cocky view over their fate as a different nation the Israelis are in fact Arabs. Now that I've think about it, he is right. As a matter of fact, the Israelis are nothing else but Arabs. Any common sense conclusion based on anthropological observations point to the fact that they cannot be anything else than Arabs who consider themselves better than the Arabs. They do not only negate others' Gods, they even negate their origin. And if you don't have a healthy mentality toward yourself you hardly can have one toward other people.

haha idiot

says the catholic

yes i do. and whats your point?

Don't mind me, I'm just pointing out that a catholic is calling someone an idiot. Carry on.

im calling you an idiot as well. hope you can point that out to yourself.

yes, both England and France declared war on Germany, thats right...

But i pity ur history education, cause earlier Hitler attacked Poland and Norway, without officially starting a war operations... Did you not heard about phoney war? :S


And yeah, Hitler was forced to start a WW2, otherwise the Reich would go bancrupt... Its got nothing to do about reclaiming land, that for example, was polish in first place, and joined to germany after 1st World War

Ye, makes me kinda mad when at school they try to teach us that we are responsable AND GUILTY here in France while two of my grand parents died in the warfield in order to free thoose fuckers and one of them escaped a german war prison. And they are not the only one as history can tell. 22 millions russians died and we never talk about this here in France.

I could go on and tell what they don't say about USA and 2ndWW at school, like how they bombed many french Cities, how they were selling military equipments to germany during the 2 first years of 2nd WW, and how the soldiers were acting with the civil popultaion (rape etc). Also how much they asked in money and ressources after the war to refund them.

I see not act of bravery or humanitarian acts in what they did. I'll let you link the victory of USA to the creation of the new economic system and the creation of the sionist colonies in Palestines. I can't say more about it here since my post won't be aproved if i do so. (nice democracy there).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k3MTH9Bu8g

maybe

also: excellent topic

Adolf was right

I think war can only be justified if your defending yourself. Outside of that, definitely not.

Attack is sometimes the best form of defense.

Like Wotan will probably post an image of me within the next two hours in another thread, if he does, then I defo know he is rattled!

YES HE FELL FOR IT!!!

http://www.esreality.com/post/2305800/re-the-...pid2305800

violence breeds violence

breaking up this vicious circle is the biggest challenge for every modern society since globalisation. for me, this starts with saying "no" to your question, war cannot be justified. there must be other solutions. base motives are leading us nowhere.

Democracy just leads to shitty leaders who make decisions that are not in the interest of the people.

democracy
"It originates from the Greek: δημοκρατία (dēmokratía) "rule of the people"" (wiki)

maybe you mean capitalism?

It was against germany nearly a century on, we are dominating them at London 2012 aswell.

So much for those magic genes huh hitler!

The Germans dominated the 1936 Olympics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_Summer_Olympics_medal_table

Thanks to Hitler.

War is ever justified. Whether you ask the Russians, the Germans or the Americans, their wars are/were always justified. No country is gonna admit that they went to war because they decided to go evil. There will always be sociopolitical causes.
In political terms, war is just a harsh form of diplomacy.

If you wanna take a look at if from a philosophical perspective, although most of the important philosophers talked about it here and there, I don't recall anyone treating the causes and the effects of war from a philosophical perspective in a book dedicated to this subject, anyone maybe excepting Nietzsche.
But then again I admit that I did not search this specifically kind of work (on the philosophical prospects on idea of waging wars).

*Blow or get blown I always say!!!!!!!

* This motto should not be used for sex. Unless your are gay and even then, it might still not work.

fuck

its pain in the ass to read this thread
as PhD Student in political science

;)


Democratic peace theory

In short: Democracies dont fight each other. But they are not peaceful to other regime types. (dictatorship or autoritarien regime)

that shouldnt cause ass pain. u would find doctor, doctor phd

i guess we can expect world peace from a phd student in political science now. ty for contributing your great work and philosophy that makes you a better person than other people that commented in this thread.
i hope your ass hurting stops as far as comments in this threads go.

what did any student of political sciences or phd student of political science contribute to the world that really made an impact?

try to read the comments in this article from the telegraph:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/1000...qus_thread

I read comments in french newssites (le monde, le figaro) and german newssites (spiegel.de, zeit.de) as well, and they are all popular news sites, some of them even considered left wing ...
the comments are almost all negative about the whole issues from the mass immigration to the euro ... the way the government leads and the immigration policies are not shared by anyone among the people ... noone aggrees to the euro ...
it's only a matter of time until some party will emerge that people will vote for ... the whole sociological situation in europe is going to explode ... in 10 years there will be civil war

why couldn't it be justified? When dubya (george w bush) and his buddies pointed like "see that country is evil... cuz we said so dumbass, whats wrong with you questioning us like that? are you terrorist too or somethin?"