pay to play? so buy-in tournaments like in poker?

Some of them will probably be pay to play, similar to what's faceit planing - there will be commission free tournaments as well.

why this shit is major?

Give me one good reason why it shouldn't be.

It's another platform that hosts quake live tournaments, the director himself showed great interest and added the game as soon as players requested it.

The least we, as a community, should do is signup and give something back once in a fucking while.

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The ESA are committed to providing free entry cash prized tournaments with commission free, pay to play tournaments functioning in a skill balanced environment.

I do not understand this and require further clarification.

Some of them will probably be pay to play, similar to what's faceit planing - there will be commission free tournaments as well.

edit:at least that's how I understand it

yes this is rather confusing. still, this seems like another pretty good opportunity.

also, is for EU or NA? or both?

There will be pay to play AND free tournaments.

from what i understand, its like poker rooms, you pay a buy-in to play in a tournament whose prize pool consists of the buy-ins as well

Free entry with prizes, and others, pay to play, but they don't take a cut? I think.

Good luck with this

The dude who thinks pay to play tournaments are viable in e-sports must be a newbie in this.

Hello Megaman,

The ESA will operate both free play AND pay to play tournaments. We give people money, so they can pay to play. The ESA do not take a commission from P2P tournaments, if 16 people pay £10 - the prize pool is £160.

We provide this service as an (optional) supplement to our core services - you can withdraw your money when you like.

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Thanks

great explanation, and from the sounds of it, it's a great system.

Sounds good!

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might as well draw circles in paint

this is the second big post and i still cant see anywhere what ESA stands for... looked around on their site, but its not there either..

Esa is a finnish name.

European Space Agency

'sup with your pilot training? =p

done :) working for Jetairfly now, hopefully flying the big jets in 1 year or so

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thx! :)

That logo seems familiar

Splendid work, Watson.

this news is better written than this http://www.esreality.com/post/2354764/a-new-m...-provider/

That was more of a forum thread or journal entry then a news item, indeed.

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Can u guys do some north american cups? We'll take anything. even turds! We desperate and need an org like esa to help grow our region

pay to play using turds? where do i sign up!

You are reversing cause and effect.
Building big houses in small village won't grow its population.

terrible analogy. a house is not an organization which can earn income or advertise its own 'village' - it exists simply to exist and thus will obviously not grow the village population. tournaments within NA can do this, a house cannot.

As noted above, the analogy means that you are reversing cause and effect. You don't build house and expect it to magically fill up with people, you first give birth to people, and then build a house for them. If your community doesn't have dozens of players who are willing to compete each week, then no organization will suddenly create such players out of nothing. First you need to build a scene, and then ask organizations to support it, not the other way.

no, because creating tournaments is what will give "birth" to new players. otherwise, how would the population grow? your analogy does not apply

Participators of tournaments are already existing players. No new player can be created during a tournament if he wasn't already there to sign up.

except when it's streamed and people see the fun atmosphere of a tournament and sign up to ql. gj mate, you rule. head back to your first year undergrad philosophy course

Philosophy is useless toy of imagination that is only studied in universities because people are afraid to act and drive out bullshit that is so traditionally accepted by idiots.
Show me even one example where it was stream which caused more people to sign up?

holy fuck you're stupid. if you cannot understand the application of philosophy you're worse off than I thought. as for one example, DHS12 had a few thousand viewers because it was streamed in between other games and people in chat were signing up.

Only philosophers (mistakenly) think that their crap applies anywhere. In reality, none of those "applications of philosophy" have any connection to what philosophers think is philosophy, and it took exactly zero philosophers to come up with all useful "applications of philosophy", because they don't require any philosophy at all; philosophers just egoistically attribute to themselves things that were produced by completely other people purely from simple common sense without any involvement of "philosophy" whatsoever.
DHS12 is really good example, because that stream produced so much activity in community and so much players signed up at next DHW12, that there are talks that there will be no future QL at DH at all due to low participation numbers. Good job for finding perfect demonstration of my point.
Really, if streaming anyhow increased interest and produced new competitive players, we'd have QL tourneys with thousands of signups by now with all the tournaments and streams happening for past 3 years. You just can't see obvious things, dude.

Philosophy is the basis for logic, analysis, the scientific method, psychology, neuroscience, law, and more. It deals with morality and the social world in a more direct manner than any other discipline. The root purpose of philosophy is to learn to argue and think. Apparently though, these are not important to you.

Secondly, I never claimed any stream, tournament or DHS12 would increase the QL population by huge amounts. NO ONE expects streams to increase the population by such large numbers, but it IS what's the most effective at gaining players. What else could we possibly do? You say we need to increase the player base before tournaments are justified - tell me, how exactly would we do this without tournaments and streams? I'm not saying streams are extremely efficient and produce millions of players, but it does more than other methods. The EU scene didn't build itself and then gain tournaments from it, it simply has people from the past who stayed around longer than the NA scene, so naturally the tournaments all head to EU. Ironically, these tournaments are exactly what keeps the scene alive, despite what you seem to be claiming.

Philosophy is the basis for logic, analysis, the scientific method, psychology, neuroscience, law, and more.

LOL, that's the bullshit philosophers believe in. They just attribute achievements of other fields and other people to themselves.
All those areas were created, developed and exist perfectly fine without any philosophical involvement whatsoever (even though philosophers took part in developing them, their contributions to those areas don't contain any philosophy at all). Each of those domains has its own basis, that is not philosophical in any way.

It deals with morality and the social world in a more direct manner than any other discipline.

No it doesn't. It deals with abstract nonexisting entities that have no connection to anything real-world.

The root purpose of philosophy is to learn to argue and think.

Study of argument and thinking is related to logic, mathematics, psychology and some other sciences, which have nothing to do with philosophy.

Apparently though, these are not important to you.

These are very important, but philosophy takes absolutely no part in those important issues. If we delete all philosophy from the world, it won't affect anything useful at all.

but it IS what's the most effective at gaining players

To show that it's effective at gaining players, you need to show at least that it's actually gaining players. So, example, pls? How can you not investigated and compared viewer numbers vs stream availability and yet argue like this is absolutely certain?

You say we need to increase the player base before tournaments are justified

I say you need to increase the player base before esports companies start looking at you and supporting you.
This means that at first you have to do everything yourself. For example, organize some community based tournaments, without help from anything like Faceit or ESA.
Popularity is spread mostly by exchanging information with friends and advertisement (provided the actual activity is interesting for people to begin with).

The EU scene didn't build itself and then gain tournaments from it, it simply has people from the past who stayed around longer than the NA scene

It means it didn't have to build itself and already was gifted with enough activity. But if you don't have activity, then you have no other choice but to build it.

Ironically, these tournaments are exactly what keeps the scene alive, despite what you seem to be claiming.

Where did I claim such bullshit?

what? the fact that these disciplines take root in philosophy is indisputable. it's historical fact. science was first called "natural philosophy". psychology stems from philosophers' thoughts on the mind. the scientific method was created by Francis Bacon, a philosopher and scientist. Mathematics would not be what it is today without the philosophy of math.

The claim that it deals only with nonphysical entities or concepts is ignorant. Consider morality (though it is not physical), which must take into account physical things. Further, it deals with non physical things that are still extremely important. Knowledge, language, law, morality. How these topics cannot seem important to you is beyond me. It feels like you assume philosophy and science or any other field are enemies and mutually exclusive. They feed off each other

As for the community-run tournaments, I humbly agree. You've swung my opinion. However, I feel a combination of the two would be ideal. Community as well as company-run tournaments. The community can only do so much

what? the fact that these disciplines take root in philosophy is indisputable. it's historical fact. science was first called "natural philosophy". psychology stems from philosophers' thoughts on the mind. the scientific method was created by Francis Bacon, a philosopher and scientist. Mathematics would not be what it is today without the philosophy of math.

Philosophy initially was a mixture of many things: actual philosophy, logic, physics, math, etc. It all was called philosophy, so when you are appealing to history, you should take in account that not everything that was called "philosophy" was actual philosophy.
Scientific method is just common sense approach to discovering what's true and what's not, it was always used by scientists (actually, any non-idiot who is introduced to science quickly figures it out completely on his own without any aid of philosophy) and Bacon never created it, he just wrote some abstract crap about it, pretending that he made important discovery of something that was bloody obvious for milleniums.
Methods of science would be exactly the same if Bacon didn't exist.

Mathematics would not be what it is today without the philosophy of math.

Philosophy had no impact on math whatsoever. It had impact on "cool" fantasies about meaning of math stuff, that even some mathematicians sometimes like to dream about for fun, but not math itself.

The claim that it deals only with nonphysical entities or concepts is ignorant. Consider morality (though it is not physical), which must take into account physical things. Further, it deals with non physical things that are still extremely important. Knowledge, language, law, morality. How these topics cannot seem important to you is beyond me.

These topics are not subject of philosophy. They are subjects of other sciences. Philosophy adds nothing to these sciences.

Community as well as company-run tournaments. The community can only do so much

If the starting conditions are modest and there's little room to grow, then companies won't be of much help, and won't be interested a lot.

Dude. The scientific method is a mode of thinking - a rational method. This is exactly what the scientific method is - a mode of thinking. That's it. What the hell do you mean "actual" philosophy. It's like you're trying to narrow the scope of philosophy. It DOES deal with things like knowledge, language, morality, etc. Knowledge and language fall under Epistemology and law and morality fall under Ethics. Any time anyone thinks about a topic or argues about something, they are philosophizing. Stop trying to assume all philosophy is only about grand abstract topics such as God and reality.

Philosophy HAS had an impact on math, and you can go as far back as Plato to see it, with his conception of Platonic numbers. Philosophizing about subjects is an incredible way to open to avenues for further research, which is exactly why subjects like psychology and the natural sciences eventually branched into their own disciplines.


I simply disagree that they won't be of much help. Nothing more to argue here

Let's just say that when it comes to applications of philosophy to various areas, it turnes out that they are banal obvious things that people working in those areas already came up with long ago without any philosophy. Philosophy hasn't helped anyone to do anything, because it hasn't offered anything that wasn't already used/known.

Mathematical laws are always the same, no matter with which philosophy you look at them, so philosophy cannot possibly have any impact on mathematics. You can make fantasies in your mind about what a number is, but natural number 2 plus natural number 3 will always be natural number 5 regardless of what you dream in your head.

If by platonic numbers you mean this, then it's mathematics without any philosophy.

Even if we entertain the notion that people came up with things before philosophers, they would still be acting philosophically. The act of philosophizing is not exclusive to philosophers. Let's say all philosophers are dead. People would still philosophize about subjects, even if they were unaware of their own doing so. The very act of arguing and thinking is philosophical.

Mathematical laws have gone through thousands of years of shifting. Do you think from the days of the Greeks math was perfect and there was simply nothing to build upon? Philosophy as I've said many times is about questioning things. The answer to these questions may not be philosophical, but the route that the answer took to get there is.

Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EGDCh75SpQ

Even if the ideas within the video are outdated, this shows how philosophy is imperative to mathematical inquiry. Imagine if mathematicians never thought about their own subject or philosophically theorized about numbers. They would not be nearly as far today if they didn't.

Mathematics evolved because mathematicians found new generalizations of previous concepts, limits of their application and generally explored new fields when they became too bored with existing ones.

Of course people act philosophically, "philosophize", etc, as it is useful approach to modify your mindset or your view about a problem. But it all happens without invoking the philosophy as subject that is taught and researched in universities. There probably was some philosophy (that is, method of thinking) involved in developing new mathematical objects, but that was philosophy completely invented by mathematicians, not philosophers. There maybe was philosophy in developing sociological ideas, but that philosophy was completely invented by sociologists, not philosophers, and so on: every field has its own philosophy, but it's not a contribution of subject of philosophy, it's entirely self-contained within that field itself and uses nothing of what "pure" philosophers have ever done.

No, because the ideas philosophers have directly influence the ways in which other fields branch off. Take qualitative sociology for example. Some methods of research include hermeneutics and semiotics, both types of 'knowledge' that were philosophized under the branch of Epistemology. Both of these things are even still debated today. In my view, ideas are philosophized, then eventually after enough thought, they move into their own fields such as sociology and psychology. If we disagree on this there's not much else to discuss, and we should probably end this anyway since this has been pretty off-topic for quite a few posts.

sorry to any ESA people for this off topic debate, I'm still looking forward to the tournies

big houses? i'm not asking for much. we just want cups. it can be a monthly cup. 4 cups a year. 1 cup a year. it doesn't matter. just some support for NA would be much appreciated. what day will ESA run a euro cup? Saturday has Zowie, Sunday has FaceIT, Everyday but sunday has 125FPS. FaceIT does daily cups mon-thursday. what time would ESA have to fit this schedule without oversaturating it.

your analogy would make sense if i was asking for 5 $10k LANS in North America. thats big.

You can support only something that already is. When there are no competitve scene in NA, there's nothing to support. First build some competitive scene, show that you have players, then organizations will come to you. This is how it happened in Europe, no one just randomly decided to run QL cups here just because Moldowa is center of world cypersports.

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Moldowa is missing too.

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