me interested 2

same

I'll have this for review in the next few days, but i'll be at an event from Thursday. Will get some games in with it once i'm back next Monday.

Where is the review? All I really want to know is if it's better than its predecessors.

DA with sidegrips and green design comes 3 years too late:
http://i.imgur.com/SgQE8.jpg


:D

Wasn't the black edition supposed to have rubber on sides? Or does it and other new models not count because of the sensor acceleration?

What acceleration?

sensor outputting bigger distance moved values than it should be measuring

I was asking what acceleration you were referring to. There's no acceleration in the deathadder. Not sure where you heard that...

I read many times here, I think, it was introduced in DA 3.5G, and I have 3G.

I promise you it has no acceleration. The only difference is the higher LOD on the 3.5g

and the very proiminent jitter on almost every surfaces except hard surfaces or the defecting models or w/e causes it.

I don't get any jitter on my cloth pads.

the DA 4G has real rubber inlays instead of the rubber paint the BE has.

i see, that's better. i think i'd like one if it is not technically inferior to my DA 3G

I use the black edition, ye theres rubber instead of plastic.

but it weights only 109g while the original da is a lot heavier(with some prefer/some don't).

new DA is 5-7g lighter, not that much

http://www.razerzone.com/store/choose/choose-razer-deathadder
3.5G is 148g, 4G is 105g... that's not 5-7g it's 43. ;)

If you cut of the cord. ;)
In other words the 148g are with cable, the 105g is without.

More Razer bullshit :P

DA 3G rev.2 also weights about what the new 4G weights(~106g), while the rev.3/3.5G/BE weights about 112g sitting on a scale.

DA 3G rev.2: http://i.imgur.com/yKJDe.jpg
DA 3G rev.3: http://i.imgur.com/MTmYg.jpg

How to check which rev. is DA?

http://i.imgur.com/6xDoX.jpg

left one shows rev.3, right one rev.2

other differences are transparent sidebuttons with rev.3 and the light has more green in it, compared to the more purple light of the DA rev.2.

I'm trying to found out which rev. is my DA. Looking at the pictures, I think I have rev. 3 then. Also sidebuttons are a little bit transparent but not much. Light I can't really tell if it has more green or not.

then u have rev.3 idd, as the sidebuttons of the rev.2 are not transparent at all.

the new DA would have to lose a fuckload of weight before I'd consider another one. My 3.5g feels absurdly heavy. Rubber inlays on the side instead of that glossy plastic would probably help, but still you have to wonder what the fuck they're putting in there to make it weigh about as much as a Volkswagen Beetle.

Synapse bull shit :

no thx.

The synapse crap made me not go for this one. And 6400dpi, wtf? No thanks. :)

it wouldn't be a problem for games that use raw input, with the only problem being the issue of certain games (blackops2) not supporting a) raw input and b) no sensitivity below whatever they determine to be '0'.

I dont support/buy products that have ridiculously high DPI. I just dont see the point off having 6402341 DPI.

And the synapse bullshit was still enough for me not to get one.

Just lower it

zowie ec1 eVo is a better DA imo

If I just bought a Deathadder 3.5G do I need to put up with this synapse 2.0 bullshit?

no. You can use the legacy drivers.

And what about this new DA 4g ?

No legacy driver, you have to use Synapse 2.0 as with all new Razer peripherals. Ofc you can simply don't install it and be limited to the stock setting (afaik 1800 CPI, 500Hz).

Bah.. so 450 dpi (maybe) only if using Synapse..... Seems to me I might be getting old one (3.5G) instead as backup :/

Btw, is CPI something else then DPI ?

Same thing. CPI is just more politically correct.

No, same thing, Counts Per Inch is simply the correct term.

There is legacy drivers, they are just a bit tricky to find, had to email tech support, asking for legacy driver and complaining about synapse, the dud in the other didn't hassle, just gave me a link.

For the DA 2013 I doubt that.

Probably not, thats why you send them an email, saying that Razer Synapse 2.0 is crap and your mouse isn't working and due to laws in your own country: Either you return the crap and buy another brand or they will help you out.
That often sets fire to their sorry asses.

Yes but as I said there are no legacy drivers for the DA 2013 and upcoming products, the support can direct you to the "hidden" drivers for older products but they can't write a driver extra for you.
Ofc telling them that Synapse 2.0 is BS that makes you return the product and keeps you of buying their products in the future is a good thing. :D

Well thank God

surely there will be a work-around for the synapse bullshit?

Yes and no.

According to razer devs:

Originally Posted by Razer

Synapse 2.0 works OFFLINE

One of the biggest misunderstandings is the equation of Synapse 2.0 to always-on DRM. It’s a popular notion that anything requiring a login has DRM included in it, and this misconception is one that easily gets the community fired up. In this case however, it’s incorrect.

Once registered, Synapse 2.0 works offline and never needs to be online again. So basically, a user creates an account, saves initial settings, and if there’s no internet connection, it doesn’t matter; settings are saved on the client PC and are not synced to the cloud. Synapse 2.0 works offline.

BUT you have to go online at least once to turn on the offline mode, including the invasive Terms of Service and possible server outages. They've added a toggle function ever since but this doesn't help much imo.

Read more on it here

I have the 2013 Version and you need synapse once for adjusting your settings and then you can uninstall it, the mouse will safe the settings.

Why do people hate Synapse so much? You need to internet to play Quake anyway and it loads your mouse config where ever you go.

EDIT: and the fact you can choose any DPI you want instead of being locked into a few choices.

Ever heard about LANs? That's just the practical aspect of it anyway. You can very well decide not to use it because you don't want to be spied on, for instance.

What are you implying about LANs, because I've organised QL Lans before and you require a internet connection for id software to help set it up etc.

Because a mouse should be able to work 100% without an internet connection. Period.

And who doesn't have an internet connection? Also you can use synapse offline.

EDIT: Maybe you need to log in for the first time on the PC though :x

It doesn't matter, a mouse should be able to work 100% without an internet connection, in much the same way single player games should be able to be installed and played without an internet connection. They also shouldn't integrate spyware. Period.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1319323/razer-syna...s-are-down

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/why-th...-internet/

http://betanews.com/2012/11/08/razer-synapse-...one-wrong/

I didn't think of the issue with firewalls etc at LANs. Fuck, ok you've convinced me haha. It's a good idea but maybe there should be a guest login where u can just change shit without internet.

Or maybe an internet connection should be removed entirely from the equation and simply remain as the optional bridge to driver updates like has always been the case with mice!

It was a bad idea to begin with. What's wrong with onboard memory? It's only getting cheaper too.

memory in the mouse? :0 LOL, that's like the obvious solution.

Dude there is no fucking excuse. It's plain retarded.

It does

Can anyone tell me which sensor is in this mouse, and which ones are in DA 3.5G and DA 3G ?

DA 2012: Avago S3988
DA 3G: Avago S3668
DA 3.5G: Avago S 3888

Do you know which sensor is in Logitech G400 as well as in MX518 ? Also in Zowie EC1 and EC2 and AM ?

G400: S3095 (older ones have A3080E, iirc same SROM/Firmware)
Zowie EC1/2: A3060 with custom Kingsis lens
Zowie EC1/2 eVo: A3090 with custom Kingsis lens

Do you want to maybe put it on our wiki? :)

http://www.esreality.com/wiki/Hardware:_Mice

Maybe but you can also get it out of this thread when Skylit puts it up again:

http://www.overclock.net/t/854100/mouse-senso...guide-v2-0

Edit: vvoll3 recently made a list on a german forum:

http://extreme.pcgameshardware.de/eingabegera...soren.html

I'm too clueless to sort out good info from someone being wrong or to organize this :(

Just added your posts:
http://www.esreality.com/wiki/Hardware:_Mice#Mice_Sensors

And the last list, which I guess is pretty comprehensive:
http://www.esreality.com/wiki/Hardware:Mice_Sensors

Ah, that list is something I was looking for!

tbh, its pretty pointless without any further Informations.

Been busy and got locked out of OCN account.

I was kinda editing the thread to remove any sensitive info. Just don't want to be held responsible for you know what.

PS: Gotta Agree with a later statement. Too many put focus on the sensor alone.

I'm sure you're aware of some probable issues the S3988 might have.

;)

Ok, now I'm confused :/

Whats the best one of these sensors, that have no prediction and no neg. accel., and is best for low sens gamers (450dpi) ?

From those imho S3668/S3888, including others: basic A3090
Can't say anything about 3988 yet.

3090 on the ec1/2 eVo has no prediction or accel and tracking speed of 3m/s

Would you say this is correct ?

http://i.imgur.com/VxBH5.jpg

Kind of but it's imho too much tailored to a certain POV.

elaborate plz

It sees a certain opinion as the correct one and doesn't take personal preference into account, it's also way too agressive towards mice that don't fit those exact criteria, for example:

- I agree that a mouse shouldn't force angle snapping but that doesn't make angle snapping a bad thing in general

- lighter isn't better, it's preference

- sacrificing sensor performance for low LOD (Zowie) comes with downsides


PS: many people are too focused on the sensor anyway but that's just my personal opinion

Thank you for taking the time to anwser.

Can you please go in more detail on the downside of the low lod on the zowie.

Lower max. speed and more picky sensor, not a real issue but not optimal either.

The max speed of 3m/s is enough for up to 65cm/360 and I'd imagine 99% of people use less than 55cm/360. How exactly is the sensor "picky"? I'm using the ec1 evo and it works on every pad I've tried so far. The Avago 3090 and 3050 are the best sensors on the market right now.

Because sensor hardware isn't everything. Rather a limitation to what's possible.

"picky" doesn't refer to IPS speed which is only one small factor. ^^

Can you please elaborate? I've read your posts and you seem very knowledgeable so I trust your info, but I don't know what else there is with a mouse than tracking speed, positive/negative accel and prediction/angle-snapping?

shape, built quality, weight, grip, switches, skates, cord, wheel.

I'm talking about the sensor.

Isn't wmo also discontinued?

To some degree, I wouldn't trust it 100%

bullshit.

were are the pilot shaped mice, not even the mx300 is mentioned. how is angle snapping a 'fairly serious issue'? in the light of todays turn to 1080p gaming monitors, why are 800 dpi 'way more than you could possibly take advantage of' and 400 dpi 'almost certainly enough'? why is a lighter mouse always better? why the fuck does it nowhere mention the most important part of any mouse... its SHAPE?

eg. the salmosa has one fairly serious issue: its underside is uneven making it wobble while playing, why isn't that mentioned anywhere? overall, its build quality is horrendous.

there is next to no explanation given for those recommendations, which is something i'd be wary of in general. some of those 'shit tier mice' are perfectly fine as long as you keep the mouse speed inside certain limits, some people never hit speeds close to having them malfunction.

I got real sens around 57 cm/360. I guess I can make it malfunction more easily then some other high sens players.

EDIT: I actually got ~51 cm/360. 57 would be just too much :D

yes maybe, but in the grand scheme of (recommending) things (to others), who the fuck cares?

^^

Ridiculously biased with a bit of misinformation.

I don't agree with any of these "god" tier list, nor would promote anything of the kind.

Fuck no.

Some clueless fool made that.

Zowie's sensors don't perform well at all in my experience. And their shapes are far from ideal - especially the AM.

Bullveyr,

what about that sensor in latest DA? Any info if its any good ?

I got first DA 3G (completely satisfied with it) still but if I wanna buy replacement DA , which sensor is better: the one in Black edition or in this 2013 one ? Also can DPI on these new mice be selected to 450 dpi?

OCN has some user experiences, although as usual they aren't consentaneous

http://www.overclock.net/t/1316361/razer-deathadder-4g
(from page 28/29 or so onwards)

Synapse 2.0 alone would keep me away from their newer products without legacy drivers anyway. :P
Even without that, If you have a perfectly fine working DA I don't see a real reason to go for the 2013 version, it's pretty much still the same mouse.

DA 3.5G (and Black Edition) have a 450 CPI setting.

With Synapse 2.0 they added more CPI options but they are interpolated, Razer kind of combined CPI and Sensitivity to one slider. Dunno if the 450 CPI option on the DA 2013 is sensor native.

What is Synapse 2.0, is there a dry technical write up? I saw 'DRM' mentioned, and for a huge piece of bloatware sitting on a mouse, checking if I'm stealing Angry Birds every clock cycle, that's definitely a deal breaker for me.

Kind of a driver where you have to make an account (+ agreeing to a BS EULA), then you can store your settings and macros online (cloud) but you can also use it offline, your settings/macros are also stored on your PC.

meh...just give the abyssus a proper sensor and 2 side buttons and I'm sold.

Some user review of DA 2012 ver. on OC forum:

my experience with DA2013 after 750 cs 1.6 deathmatch frags and 750 cs go deathmatch frags this afternoon:

pro: thumb.gif
+ rubbergrip on the side is amazing, very good control, better than 3.5G DA
+ switches (main, side and wheel) are great, better than 3.5G DA (only my right mousebutton sucks, see below @ cons)
+ scroll-wheel very good, don't know if better 3.5G DA or not, i personally like it
+ surface on top and bottom very nice, good build-quality, seems solid overall
+ mouseskates very nice also, very smooth glide on steelseries qck & 9hd better than stock ones of 3.5G DA
+ Lift Off Distance is low compared to the 3.5G DA

cons: mad.gif
- sensor: i don't know what they build into the sensor, but i needed very long to get used to it. and i am not yet really satisfied.
i tried severall dpi steps (400, 800 thats one of the predefined, 1800 also one of the 5 keysteps) but i don't get the feeling of accuracy like on my other mice.
don't know if there is some kind of interpolation or whatever, but for me personally (at the moment) its a backstep in comparison to the 3.5G DA.
i tried with synapse 2.0 running and without. no change. but it isn't a kind of lag like on the Taipan, it just doesn't go where i want to aim at.
i need to add that i switch my mice quiet often coming from IE 3.0, Zowie EC1, Logitech MX518 and G400. i swap around a lot, and normally i need 10 minutes
and im into a mouse. needed hours with this one to aim quiet secure.
- right mouse button: WAY too easy to activate, activated by accident already few times, propably i am unlucky and its not a general problem because all other buttons
are easy to click but very tactile at the same time

not so important aspects:
- this mouse should have called black edition because its really black, a lot darker than the 3.5G DA and Black Edition
- cable seems to be the same as the former DAs

i guess i gonna give it a try for a week or so and decide if i go for RMA because of the right click or even refund because of the sensor

i tried with synapse 2.0 running and without. no change. but it isn't a kind of lag like on the Taipan, it just doesn't go where i want to aim at.

I cant take anyone says things like this seriously.

xD

Explain.

this really shows people at oc are retards

this coming from an ESR user?

Nice :}

u jelly cuz i hav 1/2 moar cross

The weel spins fast mate :)

I had the same experience that perpetual war had, the mouse was responsive however the results felt unpredictable or inconsistent lowering the mouse speed / CPI to compensate resulted in negative acceleration during quick swipes. I really wanted to like this mouse but I really didn't care for it at all, the IME legends that I bought as a backup was superior.

i didnt experience that at all, no neg accel and the accuracy is really good.
i use 900 dpi and artisan hayate

Bullveyr, any info on how long the Abyssus will be continued?

dunno

I got the mouse like 30 mins now..

It's amazing.

The sensor is really better than the 3.5G.. i have never thought that it would be.. but it really is.
Even with very fast moves the sensor gets them 1:1

Also the lift-off-distance works good, surface is very grippy..


If you like the 3.5G and you got some money left.. buy it!

Does it have 450 cpi option ?

The cpi steps are 100,200,300,400,500, ... , 6400.
So, unfortunately, no.

Now you can speculate on which are hardware CPI settings. ;)

I would like to know lowest hardware CPI setting. Any way to know that ?

None that I know of and Razer most likely will not share them.

I'm reviewing this right now, so far so good :)

Buy a god damn Zowie ec1 evo or ec2 evo over a deathadder. Very similar bug much better.

Yea evo is really good.

The eVo is good but it's picky about surfaces and so for some people it's utter shit, others great. I prefer a deathadder any day, especially this 2013 edition so far.

Agreed the surface compatibility is really crap. I have an AM-FG and dust gets into the lens really easily because the mouse sits so low. I really don't like this low LOD implementation. Apart from that, great mouse.

Those are two seperate things. Im using mine on a qck+ and the steelseries .. I think its called NCP, its really rough a bit like the goliathus. Works fine on both. I used to like the da have been using one for 5-6 years after searching for ages for a good one, but Im never going to install that pos rootkit razer calls a driver no matter how good the da 2013 is.

Which are two separate things? I'm using it on a Zowie G-RF and dust gets into the lens really easily because of the low feet as a cause of the cloth, and any higher the mouse stops tracking so there's no use in exchanging feet. When dust gets in, the tracking starts to screw up and I get 1 m/s PCS. I was thinking of just getting another lens from a donor mouse or something. LOD isn't worth this hassle.

When I first saw that Zowie have built-in low LOD, I just couldn't take them seriously anymore.
If you gotta choose between low LOD but no tracking on some surfaces due to it vs. higher base LOD but work on all surfaces, I choose the latter by far. Then you take 10 seconds to do the tape-trick and 'customize' the LOD to your taste. Might not be the most elegant solution but it works.

i had so many problems with evo :[ i loved the original ec2. the sensor in the evo i feel is just awful. i switched to ikari optical cause of same sensor as original ec2

i think i'm a bit underinformed, what exactly is this synapse bullshit and what's wrong with it?

A thread on overclock.net stirred up some drama and made it into some popular websites.

tl;dr

Razer forces you to create an account with them before you can use the software with the mouse. You cant configure the mouse in any way until you make an account with them and activate your computer and account through their server. If they decide to take down their activation server for any reason, you will never be able to use the software. If you live somewhere without access to internet, you will not be able to activate and use the software.

[...]

Razers Synapse 2.0 software is always online. If you have an internet connection active, Razer will be constantly using it constantly downloading updates and interrupting your full screen applications. Not only that, as I suspected, the Synapse 2.0 software is spying on you

From the Razer Synapse TOS agreement:
By using Razer Synapse 2.0 (“Synapse”), the Subscriber agrees that Razer may collect aggregate information, individual information, and personally identifiable information. Razer may share aggregate information and individual information with other parties. Razer shall not share personally identifiable information with other parties, except as described in the policy below.

artisan hien, as mentioned before it skips few times per day but not too often, it really sucks that it skips considering hien was a pricy pad and this happends
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJjFE2PBnf8&feature=youtu.be

Just purchased a DeathAdder 2013, mainly because the shape fits my hand better than my Logitech G400 which felt too narrow at the waist to grip properly.

If I had know about the Synapse software in advance I would have steared clear. I downloaded a copy from RazorSupport.com but when I tried to install it my anti-virus software "Trend Titanium Internet Security 2013" says that several of the files are infected with Trojans like HEU_CDPLC011 and HEU_CDPLC015.

Even assuming these are false positives (they would be the first on my system), I shouldn't have to deactivate my virus-checker to install a mouse !!!

I'm closer to 70 than 17 and the chances of me taking my kit to a LAN party are slim to say the least so why the heck do I need cload based software for the settings anyway ?

Pretty much every thread about DA 2013 mentions Synapse software several times, both here, on OCN and other hardware websites... how could you miss it?

Anyway, now that you've got it all set up, make sure you read up on how synapse works - it already happened that their cloud was offline which disabled some mouse settings

edit: A few recent testaments

the synapse software wasnt a problem for me since i disabled it after configuring my mouse once.
so i dont get the synapse hate, obv most ppl are unable to disable it. so wheres the fkn problem??!

even after windows re-install, the settings (1000mhz etc.) were still set/saved in the mouse, no need to install the synapse software (except for firmware updates).

imo the DA 2013 is the best razer mouse ever.

imo the DA 2013 is the best razer mouse ever.

That's a bit of a stretch, considering even you acknowledge the presence of cloud storage which could easily be onboard.

Yeah but that shady stuff aside, it is easier the highest quality built (still shit, but amazing for razer), best feeling, and most finish product they have realeased.

After a hiatus from razer products i got one because I couldn't get used to my g400 (stupid ass shape) and the mouse is truly excellent.

Recently one of the side buttons of my deathadder 3.5g broke. And I decided id fix it myself (I had warranty but dont care using it). But looking at the mechanism that is supposed to be the spring for the side-button horrified me. It was a thin piece of plastic attached to the case. It broke out of fatique(not my fault at all). I decided to fix it with some pencil springs and it worked out better then expected. It even feels better then the other button -_-.
My question does anyone know if they have changed this mechanic in the 2013 edition or is it still the same?

This paragraph is just some whining from me you can stop reading here if you want:
I absolutly love the whole mouse but the internal design is really bad at some points. Not just the side buttons but the scroll wheel too, the rod that holds the wheel is only fixed in to place at one side why?... The casing ensures it stays fixed but it adds loads of durabilty to support it on both sides. And when I can getto mod this mouse with a pair of springs and some glue why cant razer? The scroll wheel should not be that much of a problem too. If it is costs that much then why just not skimp on the whole blingy stuff its a mouse when when its in your hands you dont look at it. I bought the black edition for this very reason and for the matte "rubberized" sides. Hoped the internals would follow the same approach but apperently not. They should just rerelease the black edition 3.5g without the bullshit and metal mechanics(less rma's, more responsive) and you have the perfect mouse (imho).
I was gonna ask a simple question but this turned into some bitching I quess from some anonymous dude. I hope no razer employee is offended by this I just wanted to share my thoughts with random people.

(...) the rod that holds the wheel is only fixed in to place at one side why?...

If it was fixed on both sides, you wouldn't be able to click it. It's the same thing on the IE3.0 and most mice that I know of (or even all of the mice I know of.)

Ah your right I overlooked that but it should not be that tough right. Hang the wheel up in two springed handles. Then attach another rod add the bottom which just moves with the wheel(to avoid using the scroll whell because of the small dents) When it is clicked this rod touches a switch done... Rocket science
Maybe some ascii helps hope the formatting does not destroy it.
s = spring
c = contact
|| = scroll wheel
|------- || -------| <- hanged in handles so it can scroll freely
|__________|<- horizontal rod fixed to the verticle rods
s s<-spring on the end so it bounces back
| c |

Maybe it is a little more expensive but the 70 dollar price of the 2013 edition is over the top anyway. This way its a lot more durable I think no wiggling etc. I am no engineer or something but stuff like this pisses me off. A product should be sturdy and feel solid in the first place(especially with these prices). Maybe its already in there (hyper responsive marketing). But maybe its not. It just seems like a simple but more durable fix.

Usually the simplest solution is the best, and I think that that particularly applies to this case.

What you are proposing adds a lot of complexity and new parts that would represent lots of new possible points of failure. And make it impossible to click and scroll the wheel at the same time (I know it's kinda stupid, but as it is now it can be done, whereas in your design it wouldn't because the wheel would be touching the rod.)

It would also make the mouse heavier, and that's no good for Quake. ;)

no the rod would never ever touch the wheel. It just moves at the same rate in the same construction as the scroll wheel. It is just there because the scroll wheel is bumped. Else the switch might get in a hole and there will be no activation. After thinking about it you can also do it without a bar.
Those two springed supports at the side can also be used to activate a button. My old g5 had 3 buttons on the scroll one left one right and one middle. It probably works in a similar fasion. Though instead of my proposal to fix the scroll in the handles it lets it move a little bit. More complex does not always mean it is more prone to breaking. And if you have trouble with the weight that "nice" led construction in the middle is not helping at all. Those few metal parts are worth it me thinks. I see some people proposing onboard memory which also adds unnecesary weight. I would rather have a mouse that holds out longer than 6 months then some stupid instant profile loader which can easily be fixed by downloading a driver. Yes yes lan restrictions bla bla. They should invent something you can plug in between your mouse and your computer which stores your profiles and sell it for a premium with of course loads of illuminated logos.
The thing is both these things hardly make the mouse weigh more.

wow @ all the hipsters hating on synapse

hey, not everyone has email, or wants to give it away just to use a god damn piece of hardware consisting of a sensor on a cable

gmail, hotmail?

NSA, NSA/evil/M$. but WHY do I need email? why wouldn't I hate giving away ANY email? why not require a passport to use a god damn piece of hardware consisting of a sensor on a cable?

Making a random email to setup a mouse doesn't mean you have to fill it with your personal info, if you are worried about the NSA you can start by throwing your mobile phone away then throwing your computer away

I don't want to throw my computer away, it's quite useful for the thousands of mice I have that DON'T require EMAILS. Ha Ha.

Why are you defending this absolutely pointless requirement by Razor to have an email address to use the dumbest piece of hardware you can connect to a computer? Do you think there is any reason but greed for this to be required? Could you please tell me how much Razor is paying you?

Its dumb but its not the end of the world like 90% of the thread are acting like, its a shit idea but easy to get around

It's the end of the mousing era AS WE KNOW IT. I bet Snowden does not use a DeathAdder2013 and looks down on you. I hope you feel all the shame while being violated by NSA right this moment.

Well why not make another email address and use that to register?

http://10minutemail.com

rofl you guys have zero clue about synapse.

u need it once for setting up ur mouse and after that u can close it and remove it from the auto-startup.
you dont need it, for running the mouse. the config works without that stupid software.

whats the fucking problem now?

Did you just post a rant defending something retarded that even you call stupid? ...

ure too dumb using a computer.

what happens when synapse runs? i dont experience any problem

I feel like the build looks and feels better quality then previous versions, DA2013 is good i have a spare one even though i WMO again.

Not sure i would trust the chroma though!

btw i saw this a moment ago http://www.razerzone.com/gb-en/store/razer-deathadder-classic

An original DA from 2006 and a free mouse pad? 30% cheaper then DA2013/Chroma!

it's a DA 2013 with blue instead of green LED's.

http://www.amazon.fr/Razer-DeathAdder-Chroma-...der+chroma

Deathadder 3.5g & 4g 2013 review and comparison.

Interesting, well I used a 2013 DA on my friend's PC and he had synapse installed, didn't like moving it on the desktop so it might have just been synapse.

About the mice acting different, could be manufacturing variance/tolerances (eg. bottom shell slightly thicker raising sensor changing how the mouse reacts to a surface, inner shell leveling and tilt) also could just be the mousepad they're testing on as colour and texture have a major effect on how mice track particularly razer's 3.5g sensor and 3g sensor.