Thread after thread after thread..

edit: Is this due to lack of friends? I'm staying within the [NO TROLL] boundries here, it just seems like you have alot of social energy that you can't put within normal restraints, so you reach out to an internet forum to fulfil it?

Says the guy with more than double the post count?

Are you Jamerio'ing me?

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This

Honestly all of these could be answered with intuition and experience, that and watching pro demos, it's not just a case of remembering counters to every single situation

*Also post demos

http://qlranks.com/duel/player.aspx?name=He4rTL3sS

Loses to 1200s, has no hope.

you still dont understand some dont play for 10 years, and dont really want to spend time to get better @ duel


sigh...

If he's still losing to 1200s he probably isn't even timing. I'm genuinely surprised that he can't beat them with aim alone.

This is my point. Supposedly heartless had 2400elo combat skills, but seems like he can't outaim 1200s on real maps (not amphi and thunderstruck).

He's not the brightest of the bunch, I'm pretty sure I can see where he'll go on most maps after a death..

hes playing ztn mostly... aim is irrevalant on this map

QL IS ALL ABOUT AIM
deal with it
even dm6, dm13, ztn, every single map is 90% about aim considering you are playing on higher level and all the rest of your gameplay is average in the end of the day it all comes to aiming

=(

ps. "you need some brain to play [...]"

=)

hahha nice one :-)

If he was playing anyone above 1200-1300 ELO sure, but the fact that he's losing to these people shows something is seriously wrong with his game and he should really post a demo.

Without even watching him play it's obvious that heartless discovered ca is not quake.

On ca on thunderstruck with lg only (very specific gametype lol) he manages to be on the top 2% but on duel he loses to 98% of players because aiming and all other aspects are different, to the point it is not the same game. One would assume that being a good ca player would make him at least 1400 elo on duel just on winning combats by far, but that's not the case because the situations are completely different (ca is essentially one and that one rarely happens in duel) and it's safe to say heartless wasn't even playing ca on first place (thunderstruck only, just lg, 1v1), therefore he loses combats to 1200 elo players.

yes, something is wrong with his game for sure... i belive i know what... being impatient prolly... its so easy to play decent defensive game @ ztn, its annoying as hell, and less experianced players may tend to over commit to a situation

CA aim is very different from duel aim honestly

aim is the same, positioning is different

where do you see 1200 elo ?

the lowest i can see is close to 1300.

my aim at duel sucks, i'll probably need a couple of hundred games to adapt

but once i'll feel more comfortable, i can start owning :>

qlranks, defeats to 1200s. That's the elo of people that grab a mouse for the first time.

Actually 1200 elo is the avg rating of most countries, few above and few under.

In his case he just doesnt know how to work around items much, duel and tdm is the way for that.

one scenario:

when spawning at mh on t7, delay the mh and get a shaft, then the yas after that the shards. if ur quickly you can deny the opponent the shaft as well (make sure he tries not to rail you high through the two entrances or trap u with rocket at the 50)

with that in mind figure out where you can use the shaft well on the map. for instance, at the 50hp when you fight from distance/ when he tries to jump to shaft/rocket etc. in the beginning. this is where you COULD catch one of guard in the very beginning.

if you start with a rail, think the complete opposite. where can he not use the shaft, and you the rail.

maybe this helps you a bit to think about weaponry advantage in duel. especially in the beginning when you spawn this can help you get the edge.

thks man!

not exactly what i meant :-)

theres no unique and only one good anwser to his questions... cooller would just cycle items @ ztn, waiting for your mistake... while av3k would push you over till he get frag... it depends on your strengths and weaknesses, and overall gamestyle...

true, but i'd add
the opponent's strengths and weaknesses, and overall gamestyle... too

to some degree - yes...

its obvious you would try to deny lg/ avoid lg fights vs strenx, but its hard to do this against low/med skilled players, because theres so many of them...

#care to elaborate ? :D

i did... but if you really would like to hear my 1400/1500 elo ideas:


1. leave big items as a bait, try to get one of yellow times and push it at right time, hit rails to make faggot weak and get kill at health bubbles

2. i usually get decent stack [100 armour] and try to hit easy lg @ ra... or spam mh from rl to delay pickup, so i can get red...

3. 50 hp bubble... you control whole map from there...

4. traps traps and traps... t7 is made for traps... theres so much free dmg you can deal there... mh to ra corridor, lg corridor, lower ya, gl corner, mh itself [god i love smashing ppl jumping for mh with lg/plasma]


overall, at every map theres big item thats open, easy to deal dmg... ra @ ztn, mh @ t7, ra @ tox, mh @ dm13 and i belive mh @ aero, but its not my strongest map, considering i got pro for 2 months...


These are my ideas, based on my pacman style and decent aim with every single weapon in game

expanding your free damage point, a big portion of that requires spamming and going for omgwallhack shots. Heartless won't do that because *stats*

i dont see his duel career then

Think of it as thunderstruck.

1. ztn shaft

2. rockit gun best clos quater shooting

3. play tackitcs

7. Good mapy

5. furius high all play shaftings 444%

2. Ztn Blyadrun


edit: btw no troll [ ]

The answer is quite simple. Follow these few easy steps.

1. /quit in console
2. Load practice match on TS
3. Shaft bots
4. Post results on ESR

That's the best you'll ever be.

*advice

Play me some day and we talk.

Here you go Strenx - Quake Live Duel Lessons
and obviously av3k's bloodrun tutorial :P

But for a duel noob like you my advice is to play ONE map get some experience and then recall what you do all the time and why you do it. Then you will know what your enemy will do and why.

av3ks ztn is prolly the best ql video ever

[NO TROLL]
http://imgur.com/sfPUe

Without looking at the other answers - I'll take a guess:

1)When you have total control @ bloodrun (RA + MH) what to do to catch your opponent off guard? Rush or more defensive play ? How to set up a trap properly ?

Take MEGA/RA and Rocketlauncher YA. Leave Plasma yellow up. Now try to bait out RA and plasma yellow. Once enemy is fragged camp rocket launcher so he can't get it and just zerg rush his ass with LG.


2)When out of control @ bloodrun, what to do ? Rail, rail, rail, or something else ?

Get the timing of mega and RA locked down. Steal both rocketlauncher/plasma Yellow armors. When mega is coming up, spam it from RA to offset the timing so it will sync up perfectly with RA. Then steal RA while they are at mega or vice versa. Usually you want to always have 1 YA at least and try to steal mega. Because 2 ya = 1 RA. (don't care about RA) just rail them if they go for it, to make their RA not count.



3)How to position yourself @ furiousheights when you have total map control ?

Depends on enemy spawn - the main come back weapon on furious heights is Rail, so always be mindful of that. I would try to go to upper bridge area near that door next to the 50h and walk around to hear where the sumbitch is going. If you can't find him, just continue running items and railing him whenever you see him. Don't force the frag or you'll fuck yourself up. Always delay RA so it never clashes with mega.



4)@furiousheights, when out of control, do you have to try to steal one RA or one mega, orr is it better to try to stack up with only the YAs ? Is it necessary to rush the rail right after respawning ?

First get a YA and then learn mega and RA time and then get grenades/rocket/lg and spam the fuck out of RA with the grenades, and rocket. If you do enough damage to void the RA (and get a time on it) then you can get rail when the enemy goes to mega. After you get rail - take a YA again and then spam the fuck out of RA once more. Again try to steal it but if you do enough damage it is okay. Now go to mega and harass the faggot with LG/rocket/rail. If you do it properly you can win that fight or steal the mega.


Someone tell me if my plans work? I don't duel tehehehehe

The mosty obvious advice I could give is to stop running around with ONLY LG. 71% usage is not healthy, no matter how strong you think your aim is. You'd proably want an equal split of the main 3 weapons, possibly leaning towards some extra LG. Running around that much with the LG means you are being heard when you shouldn't be, not having rocket/rail out when you should have, and taking bad fights all the time.

Forget about accuracies, like... TOTALLY forget they exist. Would you rather hit 50% and lose or 15% and win? Hunt for every single bit of damage that is possible. Some spam rockets to fend off the enemy from an item? Do it. Some grenades to gain a positional advantage? Do it. Spamming LG at a corner if you think they might peak? Do it.

You are only hitting 29% LG against low skilled players anyway, so you need to learn how to position yourself properly in fights to maximise your damage output first.

][ NO TROLL

he got a lot of that LG usage from Eye to eye I think

That moment when you realise there is no helping someone...

when in duel: - dont rely on aim, biggest mistake ever. push but choose situation when to be etc.
- dont play rail heavy, rather play lg heavy if u wanna whore a weapon. rail whoring is one of the biggest mistakes in quake in general. except if u really feel ur hitting and have one of those days. but that wont happen that often. this is why killsen fails, even tho he's one of the biggest talents and aims in quake, he is a railwhore, and that's bad cuz good players know how to avoid being rail whored, they know you'll abuse rail and you are easy to predict cuz of that. if killsen whored lg at least 30 percent what he does with rail, he'd won at least 1 or 2 lans more. but generally dont be an aim whore and dont abuse any weapon usage
- dont lose confidence if ur opponent is hitting alot (80 rail etc). that means either ur predictable and dont dodge/avoid rail spots, or he just hits for that period of time, but that wont last. force him to miss with bs dodge and by making him take shots he wont expect u to give him. da zone doesnt last. if it does, it's 90 percent of the time ur fault

on ztn, since i am the best ztn player ever, in the history of Being:

-rail game is strong, but u have to learn the spots. alot to put in a post, just watch alot of videos of pros on it
-lg is best weapon (as on all maps imo, and in quake in general. a good example proving my claim is evil's level atm, he's lg player, always uses lg to do constant, guaranteed dmg. well he has great dodge too, but u have that as well, cuz u need to stay alive as long as u can to do dmg with lg and not die in first 2 rockets. watch his lg attacks vs rockets, like vs cypher on toxicity, best rockets in ql crumbled before evil's lg push and dodge. he doesnt have strenx aim, nor do u, but he's deadly effective with lg. try to copy that and work on it, since i guess lg and dodge are ur best skills). u might need to do some cfg tweaks that allow such lg usage, cuz ur cfg might be too thunderstruck oriented and u may ask urself why u cant push with lg on alot of duel maps and positions. cuz ur sens/fov/accel/whatever is too 1v1 ca thunder. but this is just a guess of mine, u know enough shit about tweaking cfgs, you'll see what's best
-spam rockets like fuck when out of control, look ANY cypher game on any map. spam spam spam corners. or get a wh and save ammo. but better spam and be legit like me. this when u dont see the enemy. when ur face2face with a 300 hp enemy, he already caught u, take ur time, hit first rocket anywhere just hit it, then second one will probably be an easier direct. with rox always be COOL (hence the nickname 'cooller'). dont lose nerve when u have a guy with lg and 400 hp in front of u. wait, look at his dodge, rox him. minus 200-250 hp and u fucked up his stack even if u die.
-never drop like noob from gl to rail after u die. take ur time. only when super sure he's gone
-when u push, depends on player, if he has good rox and he is fast, use rocket to attack, if u cant get in his face with lg. if u can, great. or if he runs, always if he runs u can lg him in back easy. dont use rail when pushing, go only for shots like on teleporter at rl, where runners usually hide. rail him from mega preferably, or lg, since if u come from uppper shards going to rl he will hear u. he will also hear u if u come from top, from sg, and he'll have time to take teleport. so peak rail from mega or lg, just come into coridor fast and take a prediction shot

if u played ztn all ur quake life like me or poles or russians, this shit is easy, second nature. if ur a nub at duel coming from ca ffa or whatever, tdm ctf or other shit, it's hard at first. u need to watch alot of games, spec good players, watch vods. but best is to spec. on servers. yes, watch, dont play. nor demos. best is to spec good ztners

u can find demos of model ztn games of mine here on esr, just search for 'daddy' in the demos section
here is a bonus, me vs cypher: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMd8EoH9FpE

u can find demos of model ztn games of mine here on esr, just search for 'daddy' in the demos section
here is a bonus, me vs cypher: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMd8EoH9FpE

bravo

hush and go play CA

as opposed to somebody who claims to victories by wh and aimbots? sure, ill go right ahead!!

butt-hurt much?

nah, mostly just sad. i can understand why you would have problem telling the two apart :DDDDD

you sad? awwwwwwwwwww... roflmao

not that kind of sad >D this truly is difficult for u huh :D

u lost. man stop talkin to me, meh

lost what?

post the one against strenx at hub, i would like to lol @ how obvious you were

it's in the demo section. if i could make youtubes like i want, i would have finished my fragmovie by now

if you don't post demos or stuff like that you'll get the usual random answers. Good answers but most likely not very accurate on what you need.

1) Rush him on plasma ya via 50hp or shotgun corridor with speed and avekspirit or bait him on one of the exits of the plasma ya room patiently (lg, 50hp, shotgun) or just stand on the gl platform and chillout as long as you dare, often he'll just jump at your lap assuming you've gone to check lg/take mega/take rl ya. Those advices based on assumption he's probably on the pg room too much of a mess to give advice for every situation possible.

2) Get a ya or two or shards and weapons and keep track of timings. I atleast feel very screwed if I have no clue about mega timing. Spamming mega from gl platform is a good thing to do and you often get rewarded by red. Then just either do more damage on him or steal mega and you're pretty much in control again.

3) In a way you can tell where he is and then design a trap without losing mega or red. And once he's trapped you frag him and choke him by trying to get a spawnkill.

4) The opponents you play probably leave red up a lot and mess with timings so you'd probably get it for free whenever you wanted pretty much. Just spam the corridor with nades or something after mega and it's yours. With better players you might need to focus on YAs more, get a 100/100 and then think about doing something (delaying mega and getting red, being on red early and defending it, give him the items but do more dmg with rail rail rail with safe positions, etc.) And it's not necessarily good thing to go for rail instantly when you spawn near it because it's a common spawnkill to rush to rail after you've been killed at mega and it's a deathtrap. Often better to just go to nades and listen out a bit where he's gone and then either back to rail or to ya rl lg in the megaroom. Something like that.

GIEF DEMOZ !

My best advice for a thunder/CA player changing to duel would be this.
You need to deprogram the style you build up in CA as a heavy LG user. let the enemy come to you instead of trying to force yourself into his range.

So get whatever armors you can without taking damage, most crucial point in your stylechange is to avoid this, and destroy them when they try to force themself into your range.

no troll? what about me :]

Just look at recent vods/demos from the top players. Answers to all your questions should be answered in there.

25€/h lessons here

ahah fuck off








:D

i give good lessons

for free pls !

many people asked me how to dodge properly with the shaft, and basically how to be
good at thunderstruck

i gave everything for free

i'm not stermy lol

i give a lot for free already :@

Wait, many people asked you how to be good at thunderstruck? Isn't that something you get with the mother's milk?

"i'm not stermy lol "

which is the main reason why he can monetize his lessons and you can't :D

srsly?

Mate I guess its simply best to find out by your own, theres no "one fits it all" solution in quake

28% shaft in duel..... guess all those TS games doesn't translate well in duel

1)When you have total control @ bloodrun (RA + MH) what to do to catch your opponent off guard? Rush or more defensive play ? How to set up a trap properly ?

Ans)

Safe play = Get everything! be pacman. Steal atleast one of his yellow and all the shards. This will cause your opponent to panic and make a stupid mistake.

Riskier but faster result = Leave red up and hide behind the pillar and get ez 80 percent lg when he jumps to red for fast kill then spawn kill for 2-4 frags depending on how clean your frag was

2)When out of control @ bloodrun, what to do ? Rail, rail, rail, or something else ?

Get mega time, ztn mega is hella important since there's like 245 armor. Do so by dropping grenades at mega to listen for time, or camping tele and railing mega and also rails/nades from rocket side to mega. Just be annoying to your opponent to get him off his game and hit a good first rocket to be even before you try and push in for a fight. Rail rail rail is only good if opponent is hella open with no brain.

Also take small fights when you are 100/150 and opponent is 200/160 and use the 50s normal hp bubbles to stack back up for free dmgs.

3)How to position yourself @ furiousheights when you have total map control ?

This is kind of situational but the safest bet would be near the 50 hp bubble to listen to what your enemy is going for. It's usually shaft or rail.

4)@furiousheights, when out of control, do you have to try to steal one RA or one mega, orr is it better to try to stack up with only the YAs ? Is it necessary to rush the rail right after respawning ?

Don't rush rail unless u are 80% it is safe and he won't come rushing in with rockets and lg because u will die 100% while potentially doing only 80 dmg. When out of control delay your opponent at mega from the bottom of the mega room by hiding behind pillars with rails. Back to RA and you're pretty much even if you don't take damage.