ESR - I wonder why... - Quake Live Forum

<< Comment #1 @ 16:45 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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megaman3

I have repeatedly posted that here and on the ql forums, to the point I think you are stealing my idea.

omg why

<< Comment #3 @ 16:50 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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By $\0/$ -xinnn- - Reply to #1

well i don't care about the paternity of this idea, it's ok for me if you thinked about it first.
But i'd really like to know why there isn't such a feature, don't you?

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<< Comment #5 @ 16:52 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #3

I think it's because id is very, very, very, very conservative on these matters so they won't allow to promote anything that's not 100% on their control, and that includes global and regional chat.

Embedding irc channels literally costs id software $0 and anyone can do it, and "we" (more like I) have been telling them this idea since the moment QL started.

Edited by megaman3 at 16:53 CST, 4 January 2013

<< Comment #8 @ 16:56 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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By $\0/$ -xinnn- - Reply to #5

mm i don't get it, they can't control at all the in-game chat so why not allowing a global one

<< Comment #20 @ 17:24 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #8

cause global one would need admins to keep it clean from all forms of adverts...

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<< Comment #23 @ 17:44 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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By $\0/$ -xinnn- - Reply to #20

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<< Comment #31 @ 03:53 CST, 5 January 2013 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #23

irc is external program, they just use qnet as a tool, and dont have any rights to it...

now, making it part of ql site, would mean they take responsibility for everything its said there

<< Comment #2 @ 16:48 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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Lorfa '

QL Prism has this

<< Comment #4 @ 16:51 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #2

which is used by less than 1% of the players therefore almost non existent. If the info is not condensed in one known place then it is irrelevant, hence why the weekly tournaments lists are awesome but would be 10x better if they were listed on the game's news (quakelive.com).

Same goes for streams (that should be embed on the site) and all other major community efforts, but id software does the exact opposite of promoting them nowadays that content (mods and maps) cannot be played unless it makes it officially to the game, which defeats the purpose, and some of the rest are even actively blocked (qlranks. I know there is another good example but can't remember lol).

Edited by megaman3 at 16:57 CST, 4 January 2013

<< Comment #9 @ 16:57 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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By $\0/$ -xinnn- - Reply to #4

If the info is not condensed in one known place then it is irrelevant

this is exactly what i tried to point out, thanks.

<< Comment #6 @ 16:54 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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By $\0/$ -xinnn- - Reply to #2

Actually QL Prism has IRC, i'd like to have this feature available for ALL the players, not only the ones who know IRC or QL Prism. Can you understand my point?

p.s thanks for your useful cvars guide :)

<< Comment #7 @ 16:55 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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Teen Queen '

I've been requesting this for years now, I think communication is the key element for a community to grow, gather, expand, debate and improve.

Peple that give QL a try are not expected to download some third party archaic chat clients.

The main reason why there's no official lobby is because it's "to hard to moderate" (c) sponge/sync

In other words, Zenimax is in a way ashamed of its community and doesn't really wish to outspread the in-game racial slurs and insults to an official chat.

Edited by Anhedonined at 16:55 CST, 4 January 2013

<< Comment #10 @ 16:59 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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By $\0/$ -xinnn- - Reply to #7

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and anyway, are the official QL IRC channels moderated?

Edited by xin at 17:03 CST, 4 January 2013

<< Comment #12 @ 17:01 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #10

A game has MAX 16 people on the server. It's "manageable".
They don't have much control over it but also a very small portion of the community will see it.

A general chat, on the other hand, ican be seen by literally everyone who's on the site.

<< Comment #15 @ 17:10 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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By $\0/$ -xinnn- - Reply to #12

i see, but that sounds like an excuse, not a valid reason imo

<< Comment #17 @ 17:12 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #15

It's more than valid but at this point they've got nothing to lose.

<< Comment #19 @ 17:23 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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By $\0/$ -xinnn- - Reply to #17

and what about official QL IRC channels then, if there is any kind of moderation why not just embed the whole chat in ql.com

<< Comment #11 @ 17:00 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #7

LoL aims at a younger audience yet it has global chat and does all I wrote on this thread and a lot more. Why riot games actively encourages its community (which consists of 12yo kids) while id software does its best to keep it away?

<< Comment #13 @ 17:03 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #11

Zenimax, not id.

Zenimax owns the rights, the servers and it's up to them how they handle their game.

Don't know/care about LoL, as much as I wish and still encourage a main lobby for QL, I can see why some people might be against it.

<< Comment #14 @ 17:05 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #13

zenimax bought id after QL was in development.

I understand the reasons too, but it's a shame that a game that's aimed at a younger audience is 10x more liberal than quake, especially considering quake now runs on a website.

I wanted to do a list of all the ways riot games promotes the community and its events, but it really was too large not to spend half an hour on it.

Edited by megaman3 at 17:06 CST, 4 January 2013

<< Comment #16 @ 17:11 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #14

I'd even go as far and say that Quake's activity is in a decline because of no integrated chat...

It's a shame really, it doesn't have to do with riot/blizzard, it's just common sense.

COMMUNITY = COMMUNICATION

Deprive us of communicating with each other and you've got yourself a dead game.

And no, newcomers, which everyone so positively talk about are not going to join your silly 20 idlers irc channel.

Maybe a heavy filtered lobby with spam protection and some trustworthy volunteer moderators could do, but we all know they won't go that way.

/rant off

Edited by Anhedonined at 17:12 CST, 4 January 2013

<< Comment #28 @ 21:25 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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qwih - Reply to #7

giving op to a # of trusted users is too easy i guess

<< Comment #18 @ 17:20 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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megaman3

tl;dr: reborn will have global and regional chats. One global (support + newcomers), 2 regionals per each region (general and duel), connects automatically to them by default and/or are very notorious on the site.

Will also put community news right in our faces every time we log in, and just copypaste what's on roflmao.

Edited by megaman3 at 17:22 CST, 4 January 2013

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<< Comment #21 @ 17:26 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #18

reborn... nice joke

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<< Comment #22 @ 17:31 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #21

and sounds like a semi dead project already since there's no funding yet and no concrete news since the project announcement a million days ago. Can't 2gd just start a fundraising on indiegogo and seek corporate funding at the same time?

excuse the severity of the pmx(s)-like rants

Edited by megaman3 at 17:34 CST, 4 January 2013

<< Comment #24 @ 19:15 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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B4ZE

QL need ingame voicecom to save TDM/CTF.

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<< Comment #25 @ 19:24 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #24

No.

<< Comment #26 @ 20:24 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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aasd - Reply to #24

Again, it will be hard to moderate.
Currently only pickup games are moderated by their rules.

<< Comment #27 @ 20:53 CST, 4 January 2013 >>

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B4ZE - Reply to #26

Doesn't make any sens, its easy to mute someone etc, i played a few TDM pickup games and they were never anyone using the Mumble server either.

<< Comment #30 @ 03:12 CST, 5 January 2013 >>

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klhertz - Reply to #24

Damn, I bet I'll suddenly feel so tired of life when instead of awesome Visor's "UMM, UMMM, PUEEE!" I'll here one more kid swearing with his screechy voice and telling me what I should do... Oh Lord.

<< Comment #29 @ 02:33 CST, 5 January 2013 >>

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higgs

Who remembers WON chat? :D

<< Comment #32 @ 05:24 CST, 5 January 2013 >>

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Grumlouze

Why would you ask for an outdated chat system on an outdated network instead of just asking for a proper matchmaking platform with some proper ladders ?
Matchmaking should have been there from day 1, ladders should have been added in the first year max.
A way to create a team and teams ladder should have been added in a 2 years frame maximum.

The only interesting aspect of quake is the competition, you don't play Quake to unlock things or to level up a character, you play Quake to win matches and yet the most competitive game of all time is the game that have zero competitive options.

LoL is more competitive than QL right now, yes it might hurt your feelings but it's simply the truth.

<< Comment #33 @ 05:39 CST, 5 January 2013 >>

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Xsi - Reply to #32

It doesn't have to be "outdated chat system on an outdated network instead", any other system suitable for global chating would be nice. IRC is just an example. And forget about ladders, this game will die before they will even think about adding it.

<< Comment #34 @ 05:46 CST, 5 January 2013 >>

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Grumlouze - Reply to #33

I'm fully aware of that, I just find it sad that we are so desperate about any real meaningful updates that even adding something as simple as a chat system is something that have to be begged.

And since it's very unlikely that they will add anything anyway, at least we should keep a bit of pride and only request what is really best for the game and don't settle for anything below.

<< Comment #36 @ 06:04 CST, 5 January 2013 >>

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By $\0/$ -xinnn- - Reply to #32

proper ladders are the best choice of course, but i think a lot of work is required for them and sadly QL team resources seem to be scarce.
On the other hand IRC-like chat rooms are easier to implement imo, that's why im asking for them first.

<< Comment #39 @ 11:03 CST, 6 January 2013 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #32

whats wrong with qlranks and qlstats. Both are used as a ranking and for manual matchmaking.

Edited by megaman3 at 11:03 CST, 6 January 2013

<< Comment #41 @ 11:27 CST, 6 January 2013 >>

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Grumlouze - Reply to #39

Nothing is wrong with QLRanks but it's still is and will forever be just an alternative to something lacking in QL.
With a proper system built in in QL you get an automatic matchmaking that actually works, you remove the tierslumming problem and therefore you actually get rankings that are far more accurate and you can even orgazine automatic cups for different leagues a bit like faceit is doing.
Basically if done right, there are only benefits to make something directly in your game, there's no sense to have the game somewhere, then the ladders elsewhere and the cups also elsewhere.
Not to mention that you would get far more exposure if you do everything directly on the QL website, I would guess that most people playing QL recreationally have not a single clue about QLRanks and faceit, so the competitive scene is lacking a lot of potential new players.

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<< Comment #42 @ 11:54 CST, 6 January 2013 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #41

keep dreaming...

ql skill is not measurable with easy methods... atm i got ~1350 elo... few days ago i was winning against 1600 elo guy, today i lost to 900 elo guy...

decent match making system is not possible for ql

<< Comment #35 @ 05:56 CST, 5 January 2013 >>

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