What is the point of making a new map if nobody can play it?

I made maps and people can play them so ugh. :)

Edit:
On a serious note, with this official instance where people can present their work it is not only easier to learn mapping but also easier and faster to get your work to the attention of the devs.

If I saw a shot that a map of mine were going to be played, then I might put time in it. But after houres of work and cuddeling with the devs the map gets INTO quakelive. But in the end dm6 is in the mappool... well done community

if you put your heart, time and effort into a product that is not a great quality, it will not be accepted

if you realize/accept and fine with that - go ahead. Sucess is sweet, lack of success is still a fun hobby
if it is frightening you as a waste of your time - think twice

simple

I'd put some time into it, if I knew that the map IN GENERAL has a shot at beeing in a pool. because i dont like to see 12yo maps in the same pool.
but the community takes me down every time ...

community will accept what is good. Just because there's a million maps, doesn't mean any of them are any good.
ca1,2,3 are almost as popular as dm6, for example

ca1,2,3 are almost as popular as dm6, for example

nope. http://qlranks.com/ca/ http://qlranks.com/duel/

#0 dm6 is king. Nothing wrong with having a BEST thing
#1 those are scewed by months of standard server restrictions
#2 hidden fortress works as example
#3 ca1,2,3 are up there
#4 moot point discussion here

ca1,2,3 are almost as popular as dm6, for example

Are you trying to make a point or to prove someone on the internet that a is indeed > b?

just being annoying

You are fucking deluded.
It's fucking pointless that you can't launch servers with custom maps, period.

ca3 being the best CA map ever still getting downvoted everytime someone calls it =/

i doubt that. i think that there are "some" maps out there which are at least as good as some "old" maps. But the old maps get played, because people are too lazy to play something refreshing and new

What is the point of trying to act smart when you know jack shit?

Jack's ok leave him out of it!

loled

Here's a plus

Here's another plus, you deserve it buddy)

there should be a new game mode that utilizes the same 'map rotation' as standard players. every month has like 15 or so maps created by the community selected to be playable for all users

Personally, I think there is so much potential for the usage of maps.
There can be mapping competitions and simular events if there is enough of a community for it.

fucking old ideas? i had this idea like 3 years ago in ql beta and most also did too

its obvious quakelive is dead soon if they are finally taking good ideas and implementing them - trying to keep it a float, if only they did this shit years ago

fucking scrub shiterror and his posse, how does he even have a job still? pathetic.

I call for a revolution! lets bring the original spirit of q3 back!
-hack servers
-share maps
-every player should be able to play everything he wants to

Lets get us the variety back we deserve!

peace out, save the whales

http://qlranks.com/duel/
http://qlranks.com/ca/
yeeee people want variety

the duel graph is very hard...
makes me wana vomit

i dont see a problem dm6 and ztn are ubermaps so what? if you wouldnt have 8 but 800 maps to chose things would look certainely different. who cares about the crowd anyway this is about me, my needs and my wishes. also on the ethnic level quake is sharing and developing together... it used to be. lets restore the rightful way of playing the game

never go full retard

There's a lot of contributors to those lists
example a
example b with a whooping 3500 games played

This only demonstrates that no one managed to offer variety, not that people don't want it. No one managed to make anything close to ztn or dm6, that's why people are stuck with those maps.

thats just not true.
people need time to get used to a map. and a gamestyle develops over time. the dm6 games from today are not the same as from the past (not only depending on QL not beeing Q3)
I think there are and were a lot of maps made in Q3-times which have theoretically the SAME potential as ZTN and dm6. They just never got the chance. In QL its a bit different, because only id allows certain maps. But i think Battleforged is pretty similar to dm6 and could easily replace it. If people just start playing it.

plused :)

Btw do you use any special hardware for maping? Multi-monitors, electronic pencil or mouse?

You don't need anything special.
Of course a high resolution is nicer to work with but that applies to anything. You probably shouldn't run intel graphics I guess but that should be the only requirement.

Is it somehow possible to test a map in LAN if it works? And I dont want my account to be banned by id.

Probably but I don't really know anything about it.

:( .... would be nice though since I got a decent duel player as flatmate.

Not sure if you could use wolfcam to do that somehow. There is no legal way to do it though I guess.

Edit:
You could always use Q3.

yeah but my idea is if the gameplay is ok and my ideas of a map are ok. and q3 would not help there.

QLOP

I heard that you get banned if you use that.

You don't need to be connected to the internet to use it, and I think it doesn't contact QL servers in any way.

Do you think i can use anti aliasing with gtkradiant?

I think you should be able to by enabling it for radiant in your graphics card drivers.

Hmm yes then i can do that, i have a decent graphic card (gtx680). Btw your tutorials are very welcomed! I will try to create my first room as a challenge to begin with ;) ty man.

Have fun! Feel free to drop by on IRC or ask any questions on the forums.
I just created a new video but it turned out only semi good because I'm tired as fuck. \o/

http://imgur.com/a/cgwLl#0 Managed to make some stuff, i wonder how to make triangles shapes tho. I might just pop up on IRC to get more help.

You can use the clipper tool (press x) to cut a selected brush by defining a cutline using two points. I will cover this soon in a video tutorial.

That would be nice indeed, and also how to make wierd shapes like rocks etc.

[ul]http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php?29946-Two-Point-Clipping-(Angled-Corners)[/url]

Rocks can be pretty complex. I'd suggest you focus on more basic things for now. (Get a complete layout done and making things work propperly)

Agreed. Is there some prefabs objects available for gtkradiant and free of use?

It's on my list!

Hopefully the community will start to churn out some awesome maps and have more updates with new content launched more rapidly and community events, etc.

They'd better tell their mappers to learn to map.

dm6, dm20 - no rly need new maps....

1. Terminatria map maker go on ,man
2. Left behind is completely playable, we played and voted it many times on russian pickups, its a bit arcade but u can find spots to control/camp - i found my epic spot) dont ask me where :-)
3. Requesting remake of epic quake2 map q2dm5 (Pits) but not a copy, just a new remake. plz plz plz

where is your epic spot?

spectator slot

I see a problem here.. Ok, so I get a map done, now it takes X (probably minumun 3 months) months to get out on the servers and to the people. Now it's X months in premium usage only (Was it 3-5 months or something, too tired to scroll it from the pages). So when it might the first time get out to the masses of players it's 6-8 months PLUS how many months it takes until it is in the pool of standard maps which is something like 1-6 months(???).

So conclusion = Yes you can make a map but considering reality that you will probably not get it in to proper knowledge within ~7-14 months plus the time what it takes for people to actually start playing/knowing/voting for it.

There are a couple of shortcuts: Getting map in to CTF/TDM/Duel-pool directly by HOQ, CB, Zowie, Faceit or some similar one. But there possibility is only available for a few older mappers (I atleast assume). So basicly this is a great idea which greatly goes wrong. Possible solution for this would be servers dedicated only for custom maps and that players could upload their own maps via the Quakelive-pages. After Quakelive staff approving the map as "working" they would release it on the custom map servers and the players would decide. This is a feature I suggest would be a part of the Free of Charge Quakelive that is offered. Playing these maps after they are "known" could be normal Premium/Pro-stuff when they become "known/tourney maps"..

Sooo much good and bad in this but I guess this is a good start by ID even if I feel like this hasn't been thinking it thru. This could be something awesome and let's hope it will be!

(Btw, somebody map Q1 DM4 & DM6 already thx!)

The main problem is what sells subscriptions is classic maps, not new ones. There are at least 5 absolute classics missing in each mod so they should focus on getting those instead.

edit: and it seems there' s 0 interest anyway. It is as sad as that forum in which raythenoob replies to himself.
http://www.quakelive.com/forum/forumdisplay.p...r-s-Corner
http://pipclan.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=genedcsi

Well I do asume it takes some time until the forum fires off anyways. But ID could ofc make a faster path to "accept" the maps for subscribers or something similar to ease they way for them. It's not like any subscriptions would disappear, more likely to get a bunch of new ones. And coding it / keeping an employee checking the maps every third day or something doesn't cost the company so much that it would actually make it any difference. Mostly this is a question if they want to keep QL alive and big for a long time or if they want to do something instead...

Best case scenario would be that ID themselves would make it as easy as possible to do new maps. In this case they wouldn't really have to import any own ones or tweak them to work in QL. In other words, the scene would do the job for them while they would collect the money.

Hi all
I intend make a new map for QL,and made a maquete in a 3d app, just to visualize my idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zje_BsUApUs&feature=youtu.be
Now i started learning GtkRadiant to make my map . After some tests, i have a big doubt about control the final size of map.
What reference can i take to define the size? It seems to me that the reference should be the Bot size...am i right? i think that bots and all items have a fixed size and the map shoud be built taking that as THE reference.If it is so...on the radiant grid how i can define that size?
Ty

Hey,
to get an idea about the scale you can place a player spawn (right click in the top view, info->info_player_deathmatch) - the pink box has roughly the height of a player model.
Also make sure you got "Display size info" enabled in the radiant settings (edit->preferences in the menu bar), I think the shortcut for that is 'Q'.
Usually, to get your scale right you can simply stick to multiples of 64 units for your geometry (128-192 units width and height is a decent doorway size for example).
If you want to you can check the example map (infinity) that comes with radiant, to open it use edit->open in the menu bar.

Hope it helps.

Hi Cityy
Here i am to ask some questions about textures.
If i need make my own textures i will use photoshop, so i need know about size, resolution, and how to use it in radiant.
1st question: what size in pixels would be the texture in order to fit one square of 64 units ?
2nd question: which is the best resolution to make it, or what is the most used res?...and what image type, jpg, png...?
3rd question:in which folder i put the texture, in order that radiant can use it?
4th question: a image texture is an easy thing to make, but what about a shader? Ofc is more complex, but can it be done in photoshop?...or other app?
Ty

Hey,

1. 64*64px will translate to 64*64 units - however you can fit textures to surfaces so you can fit 128*128px on 64 units as well.
2. Textures always need to be power of 2 (so: 64px, 128px,256px, 512px, 1024 px) -- for the image format, use JPG, if you need alpha channels use TGA -- for the resolution, 512px are good enough for QL, it depends on how big you want the texture to be ingame, really. If you have a texture covering a large surface you might want to go for a higher resolution
3. create a new folder for your map in baseq3\textures (for example I always use ct_mapname - you could use xp_mapname)
4. shaders are simple scripts that you can edit in any text editor - for the beginning I suggest you grab .stock shader files and adapt them for your needs; it takes a while to get comfortable with shaders -- if you need help on shader parameters google for the Q3A shadermanual.

"create a new folder for your map in baseq3\textures..."
Only now i realized im talking with the same Cityy who made the 7 gtkradiant tuts im using to learn. ;))))
I made the install like u say on tut 01: on my desktop i created a folder named qlmapping and inside is radiant and wolfcam. Everything works ok till now.
Now the stupid question: the only baseq3 folder i find is in wolfcam folder. Is that one u mean?
Or the baseq3 folder of quakelive game?
But none of them have a folder "textures"
?????

I mean the "baseq3" inside your wolfcam folder :)
If you don't have a textures folder go ahead and create one.

Ty and congrat for ur tuts.
Im happy, just finished my first test map and it works ;)))

Sweet, keep them coming. :)

Hi Cityy
Soon i will send u a pic of my map, modelling is about 50% done !!
Made some textures, but aplpy it perfect seems not easy...
On Gtradiant preferences / textures i made "tex increment matches grid". But the increment on grid 1 remains the same as on grid 8 or anyother one. Wasnt supposed to match the diferent grids?

hmmm...forget it...problem solved :)

Sorry, I totally forgot about you.
A better place to ask your questions is: http://www.quakelive.com/forum/forumdisplay.p...r-s-Corner

Sweet, keep them coming. :)

hi Cityy
here i am again, asking for help...
My map is about 70% done. At this stage and before i go on with it, i have been testing it to see it playability, only playing around with a rocket launcher. Also want my friends could test it.
My question is: where can i find a tut about how to make a pk3 file and install it on the game ??

Hey,
I've roughly described the process of making a pk3 here: http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php...post256942

If you need any more help with it let me know.

Almost finishing my tiny dm6, only missing the only 2 jumppads existing in the map. But something weird comes in : i make the first jumppad and it works ok. But
when i make the 2nd one, it gets connected to the first .So i jump from one to another, is so crazy.
What im doing wrong?

omg leave it like that!

Just try remaking the jumppad. Be sure to NOT copy/paste existing target entities or trigger brushes. Be sure to create a new trigger/target for every jumppad you make.

Finally here is my swift dm6 !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM6VLh5jTQY
All comments are wellcome !!!

Give us the .pk3 so we can test it : D

:DDDD

Plz help !! What means "leaf with too many portals" ?? compilation stops on that message...:((((((((( How can i fix that?

Well...no answers after 48 hrs, maybe no one knows the answer or everyone is gone for holydays. Anyway....what is a "leaf", what is a "portal" and why "leaf" hates too many "portals" ?

Sorry, are you using detail brushes?

Wow ! Glad see u, Cityy ;) Well...excuse my almost none experience with radiant : detail brush is a brush i deformed puling vertices/edges? If so, yes, a lot !

Simply put: Convert every brush that does not seal off your map from the void to detail (select the brush and hit ctrl+M; you can filter detail brushes with ctrl+d). Will give a more detailed answer when I find time.

Read this thread man: http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php...eleporters

If you don't understand everything, just do what I wrote above. :)

One of my friends told me that this pk3 dont work...something i was expecting.
I made it "by the book" : 1 folder with the bsp, 1 folder with the textures, 1 folder with the screenshot ( same name for bsp and screenshot). Zip of these 3 folders, changed .zip to .pk3 and checked "read only". When i put this pk3 inside the ql baseq3, wasnt supposed it work??? ...or i miss something ?? Plz help

Yes, you need to encrypt it!

In order to test your map in Quake Live you need to pack it up in a .pk3 and encrypt it using quakelivedec.exe.
.PK3 files are nothing but renamed .zip files and have the same structure as your baseq3 directory.

Quakelivedec.exe uses a simple input-output system to encrypt files. To use it create a .bat file (make new .txt file, change extention to .bat) and enter:

<path to quakelivedec.exe> mymap_notencrypted.pk3 mymap_encrypted.pk3

Adjust the path (drop the <>) and the names to fit your pk3 file. To load the map in QL, drop the encrypted pk3 into your quakelive\baseq3 directory and set it to read only (right click, properties). Then use the Quake Live ingame console to load up the map (\map mapname).

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15072710/QL/misc/quakelivedec.exe

Hmmmm....maybe only God has the answer and keep it for Himself. Ofc He doesnt answer to silly questions !!

Hey, sorry, I always read your posts on the weekend and then forget to reply.

What you should do:
Put quakelivedec.exe, your pk3 file and your .bat file in the same folder. Then put this into your .bat file: "quakelivedec.exe mypk3.pk3 mypk3_encrypted.pk3" (without quotes, adjust the file names)

Then set mypk3_encrypted.pk3 to read only and put it into your quakelive baseq3.

Hmmm...not again. Made exactly what u said, and a new file appeared named "swift_encrypted.pk3". At this moment i was...WOW !! I put it in QL baseq3, entered in practise mode and in console wrote "map swift_encrypted" ...naa...cant find that pk3.
Tried with read only both ways (checked and unchecked) , renamed it to "swift" only...no way... this is realy annoying.
PS- I´m having a lot of fun playing Cure

You need to use the name of your .bsp that is inside the pk3 file when you use \map in the console, not the pk3 name!

OK, definitely i cannot make a playable pk3. Before i give up and forget all about mapping i wanna make a last try: can i send you all files i used for this map and YOU kindly make that nightmare pk3 for me?

Sure. I wonder what you are doing wrong, making a pk3 is quite easy: :/

Ia ,i can imagine this is quite simple,sure i make a mistake somewhere. Have you a private adress where i can send ?...I dont want to make that public.

U can give me ur adress here Opticalprint@gmail.com

cityy @ spacepotat.de :)

Hi Citty, thank u for help me making that pk3 file.It works !! Some problems with the jump pads, but that is something I need to fix. After seeing how u made it, I followed the same steps u did and the result is the same : cannot find bsp !!! So...if I cannot make a "easy" encrypted pk3, what am i doing here?? Bye bye map making, I really apreciated ur help.

Send me the file you made please :)

See ur email

Oh crap I forgot..

Omg the influx of good new maps is just mindboggling. That forum solved everything!

What are you expecting? People becoming super awesome map makers in 5 months?

I've been at it for 2 or 3 months now and I'm still discovering radiant features!

You are not alone, quite a few people keep hitting me up every now and then. :)

I've actually been bothering the urban terror guys :)

This how i made a encrypted .pk3 of my map.
Tried to play it on quakelive but the message is "cant find bsp".
What im doing wrong?
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wjvkfyqrwlyzz6d/aJL0-dUs3D?m

Your pk3 structure is total nonsense..

Inside the pk3 you need a folder called "maps", a folder called "levelshot" and a folder called "textures".

Inside the maps folder you put your bsp and aas file, inside the levelshots folder you put a screenshot of your map named like your map (abc.jpg) and in the textures folder you put the folder containing your maps textures.
Just look at the zip I sent you back in the day, it is all in there..

Sorry about forgetting this again and again btw.

It was missing the .aas file. Now it works ! But....in the moment i go to the jump pad it crashes... Any file missing?

.aas file is the bot file, it is not necessairily required.
The crash when you use a jumppad is probably not related to a missing file but to your jumppad build being faulty. Try recreating it.

Made a all new jump pad...but game still crashes. Do i need to add a script file? Or have to make the jump pad in a diferent way? If so, what way? I wonder why GTKRadiant dont have the necessary tool to make the .pk3 file. Is`nt Radiant a IdSoftware product?
Ok, i give u this soup but u have to get the spoon from one else.

Are you sure you did the jumppad right?
1) trigger
2) make trigger a trigger_push, deselect
3) create target_position, deselect
4) select the trigger, select the target, hit ctrl + k

Also note that jumppads can not push you downwards, only upwards.
GTKradiant is not an id software product, it is an open source editor based on the original id software tool.

Nice :)) jump pad works fine now !
I was making it following a tutorial from a french guy... it worked when i played the .map on wolfcam but not on QL.
Your way is far more simple !
Now the big question: How can i test the map playing it with a friend?

You can't. Unless you somehow compile it for Q3 and set up a Q3 server just for that.

Hmmm...you do that to test ur maps???

With QL, you don't test your maps.

Unless they are obviously good enough to be bought by id.

You can use the "pirate" client/server to test it, but beware it may be illegal and your account may be suspended if they catch you using it. ;)

But I never heard that anyone has ever been banned for it. Just use a bogus nick and be discrete.

Here are my first 2 maps.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/d6lb8001ud1zccn/abc.pk3?m
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wkcnhkjdjefrxwu/swift.pk3?m
If some one wants to comment I will preciate

Your swift-dm6 is nice. There are some problems where I'm aiming in this picture, by the way :
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/74076095/QuakeLive/swift.jpg
(try jumping around on this box and you'll see)
It's nice but I don't think anything can be played on it. Maybe very small FFA? I don't think it's fit for duel. It's so small and weapons are so hard to obtain that it would be a nightmare for whoever is out of control. Well, I think it would be.

#natdm.ql !!!!!

Ah crap. I forgot to take the second screen off the screenshot. Thanks :p.

I have two comments about abc.
Firstly, please make it brighter. While it's ok-ish with lightmap, it's really very dark on vertex light.
Secondly, I think the upper part needs more than one access.