Yes, +acc certainly doesn't try to be a +stats. I'll get a decent stats popup added.

Alright.

+wstats ftw

Please consider a 2nd +acc also, I guess we all want to know exactly how many LG cells or PG bullets connected in a particular fight/round.

have a plus

YES, YES, THANK YOU!!

on a side note, can you also implement the item pickups on the website itself?

Oh this a million times.

Check 2 friends , from same clan ,both new accounts - cheaters .
Luppi , aztec. Both have very bad movement, very bad game knolage, but WHEN they need, they hit 50% lg and 70% rail. I wrote email to suport, but no action taken yet..

they don't cheat.

your ego is just not able to handle a loss to an account you dont know.

where is your proof? the reason no action has been taken is because you are not realising it.

http://www.esreality.com/post/2385500/re-find...pid2385500

"20-0"

I've specced luppi a few times, he moves like a shaky 90fov high sens total noobtard, yet he is always in the right place at the right time, both item-wise and positioning wise, he never gets caught off-guard by his opponent and always hits clutch rails. The way he moves just seems like he would never do bridge2rail in a million years, even though he probably can.

No proof, but rather suspicious. About ten times more suspicious than zeun anyway, lol.

all i can do is simply laugh.

:DDD

His ELO is 1000 points ahead of his movement skills, is basically what I'm saying. It's very weird.

your judgements about his movement are totally wrong dude :-/

Then we have reached a disagreement!

:)

Yeah, he moves like shit.
Also, picking x6tence tag is kinda funny, Sombras former clan.

that luppi guy bought premium, he wont get banned until they detect his hack or until he does something obvious in a demo. and danstar should get banned too (as puppetmaster and as danstar) for taking the side of a cheater. but then again danstar aka puppemaster bought pro, and he's not cheating himself since he sux ballz still (check profile games etc), so even less chance of id banning them

check this out:
http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/matches/Av...d90/duel/1
http://qlranks.com/duel/player.aspx?name=luppi
96% win rate in 250 duels on qlranks. 450 wins and 27 losses on qlive stats
and he rapes avek and guard on ztn. dunno how bad he beat fraze, didnt find the game yet
so yeah, luppi is definitely not a cheatzor

this guy beat me on dm6, a feat many many players could do :>

also, 42 lg and 59 rail stats on profile after 500 games and hits 50+rail on avek on ztn and wins the game with like 30 frags difference. only daddy hits those stats, dude, cmon, how much more obvious does one need to get ^^
oh and btw luppi bought pro too, maybe to try to be safer from a ban dunno, smth like that. but like i said, id wont ban them (luppi+puppet) easily, paying customers. maybe now with all this shitstorm rising they will reconsider. but my guess is that they are currently puzzled what cheats they have that bypass their anticheat. i mean in case they're not supporting them directly but i doubt that

Getting those stats is not unreal. Luppis hit percentage drops once he plays a decent dueler to standard 20-30 lg, though the rail is higher and stable. Besides that, he plays CA and FFA, where for most of above avarage duelers those stats are doable.

Unless there are demos of those two playing, you cant really tell. But I agree its interesting that those stats obtained mainly in duels top both tox and strenx.

did u see the avek game stats? even if he went pole rage +w mode all game, 31-4 is a bullshit score on ztn vs avek

High (unweighted) accuracy doesn't necessarily imply cheating.
Neither does an ability to beat a really good player such as av3k or guard.

Ive seen the score. If someone +forward rushes for 10mins, its possible.
I mean ... if they cheat, they try to hide it. They change their country flags, they both keep the score with randoms realistic, close even sometimes. Why rape -> Avek <- by 30 frags just like that and not the others by 70?

are you naive enough to belive there are players who are able to beat av3k, on ztn, 31-4?


if hes legit, i guess we have new king of Quake

Im saying that you cant tell if someone cheats based on stats or a map score. You need demos for that.
Theres noone who could beat avek 31-4, if avek played just a little bit seriously. But Ive seen plenty of games where he just rushed with mg the whole time.

new king of quake then...

if ur so sure about his skills, sponsor him to next lan event... i bet it will be profitable for both of you

Could be tox. Could be Sombra. Could be polosatyi's dog. Without having demos, cant tell.
If you'd read what I wrote I wouldnt have to repeat myself: you cant tell if someones a cheater or not just by those numbers.

not really...

numbers are really brilliant, thats why humanity uses them for ages :-) random players dont hit such acc's... and if he was fakenick, someone would allready know who he is... fanbois are such persistent creatures

"numbers are really brilliant, thats why humanity uses them for ages"

golden
ps - it's not a fake, just a troll fagget. pros arent insects. and no pro plays like that anyway

I've got no idea who luppi is, but i'm p confident he's not a cheater

Xenophobia and QL: just because a player is unknown or a newcomer and beat an ok/established player, they automatically qualify as a cheater?

You got beat fair and square son, jog on.

dude check those stats. if u did indeed read my posts before posting just now, wp pro

Yea, I kind of have to read the majority of the stuff you write in order to approve/reject it.

Your accusations are based on nothing, and for a nolifer who made billions of fake accounts and cheated on QL for years, your cheater-catching ability is surprisingly shit.

High (unweighted) accuracy doesn't necessarily imply cheating.
Neither does an ability to beat a really good player such as av3k or guard.

ok, really thought you're a smart guy. quick question, when everyone here will be convinced luppi hax (roflmao obvious?!?trololaxaxasd), do you promise to change your esr name to 'Son_'?

ez.

for the ROMANIANQLCSI vid soundtrack, i'll take "Danzig - Thirteen" or "Blondie - Heart of Glass"

Let's make this interesting. If both of them are found to be clean (and turn out to be, like, FPS players new to Quake or quake2/3 veterans wanting to try QL duel or something) then you have to change your nick from Daddy_ to Cheating_Pederast and I get exclusive rights on approval/deletion of all your esr posts based on my mood? Deal?

so this is like a bet where you get to win 100$ if u win and lose 1 if u lose and viceversa for me? nah bro, we'll stick to my terms and you'll just call me Daddy.

how is that different? if i lose I change nick, if you lose you change nick and the exclusive rights thing could come to effect anyway so will be removed from bet.

so nick change is the only wager, or are you too pussy for this, Cheating_Pederast?

zzz pussied out :(

easily raged admin, choke on my posts while u censor them ^^

Sorry bro, we kind of have to watch probationary users and approve/disapprove their posts, and we need to take into the account items such as context to thread, repetition of material, etc.

I know how you can fix it though, go back in time, stop yourself cheating and don't be a cunt, then all world is yours)

Like, right now, you were goading some question, but unfortunately it was a doublepost so you sent them twice, so I had to delete both of them, sorry :( .

Also, there was trolling or something, but glass houses and such.

one more dumb ass kid...

You got beat fair and square son, jog on.

you are to low skilled to understand ql duel mechanics... I don't blame you, I have experience in q3/ql for 10+ yeah in high level..

edit: have thought about it a bit more, and would like to make the following statement:

If I had to predict, who is more likely to be a cheater, it's about 84% likely to be you and about 16% aztec"

I've been playing deathmatch FPS for since the early-to-mid 2000s, and despite being far from a high-echelon player in anything (i suck :((( ), i've seen a lot of people get busted for cheating, both on public servers and caught in the midst of a competition, and most of those cheaters tend to follow a very close psychological profile (no, i'm not talking about OCD-cheaters who pretend to be 4000 different people like daddy_ or czituch, but this is how.

Self-inflated sense of worth aka "I am the god of fuck and if anyone beats me, it's turbo-luck". Normally, a hypothetical cheater has a massive ego, and should they lose, it's either luck, bad ping or warping opponent, which they don't hesitate to tell the whole World, adding that under normal circumstances they would wipe the floor with their opponent, had all those circumstances not conspired against them. It's worthy to add that there are two types of cheaters related to this category, the scum-suckers who already cheat and just simply whine when they get challenged, and people that get over-paranoid, start seeing cheats everywhere and somehow progress into hacks. MIGHT THIS SOUND LIKE SOMEONE YOU KNOW? :o)))))

In regards to anything cheat-related, those gentlemen will go through their entire quake history and LAN attendances (if any) to prove how legit they are, and they will appeal to a sense of decency with nothing but a sad story of unluck and how they're a good guy really, and all of this is simply a misunderstanding (typical sob story innit).

why did I write all that? oh yea c:

http://i.imgur.com/0vTdpBK.jpg

I don't understood, you realy saying I am using some kind of cheats?

Seems like you don't know about quake much :))) Go play CS IN PUB server!

I could arque if some skilled know player, but not top, etc twister would start to rape cypher, evil, avek and others, and rape with some strange game details, I COULD argue and start to prove , that he is not clean and so on, but now, they are to obvious (aztec , luppi).

WHY QUAKE DUEL DONT NEED ANTICHEAT?
Becose we know scene for so long and we know how hard it it to master. end of discusion with you, becose you are to low skilled in duel to understand it.

As I replayed to daddy, I have didn't knew who is this guy, played him 3 min (it's from my pov, not his!) and already knew he is cheating, next 7 min I provocated him with dumb/not regular moves to prove it 100%. After checked stats , bla bla bla and so on.

Btw I first from ALL TOP/SKILLED players told SOMBRA was cheating. AND I DID THIS after 2 duel games!!!! Others played him 100+ duels and didn't noticed it.

I'm not saying that you cheat, I am saying hypothetically you are more likely to cheat, because you are showing a lot of narcissistic traits shared by high-profile cheating such as Sombra, Zhu and so much more: you tend to be vero egocentric and rage a lot and make excuses when you lose, ironically with warp-whine being an issue you have both with yourself and your opponents, that's what I am saying.

The fact you can't even explain what you think without resorting to childish insults is a good indication that you don't have anything meaningful to say, so you revert to aggression, a lot of people from post-Soviet countries have this sort of mentality. My ELO is rapey as fuck right now, but that is a result of never focusing duel, not caring who you play against and never, ever practicing.

I think the best sum up was written by me in another reply on this thread:

I despise cheaters, but people who abuse their status to peer-pressure gullible retards into their way of thinking with no empirical evidence and a butthurt ego their only motivation can be just as bad.
Guard is a high-level dueller, people have seen him play strongly and do good in finals of both FaceIT and ZOTAC cups, so his opinion carries a certain amount of weight, so he should use brain before falling to baseless accusations

You might have problems understanding it, in which case I will try to find a Lithuanian friend to translate it for you.

dont agree with statement about 'knowing players skills etc' cause people think i cheat just for this reason that i can beat players they think i shouldnt be able to beat, and not cause i do anything dodgy in game!

just because a player is unknown or a newcomer (...)

This is so naive.

Well, let me rephrase and expand on this comment then:

Strange looking newcomers are suspect, but shouldn't be automatically classified as cheaters without actual empirical evidence. And veterans have the tendency to go full retard once or twice per decade, like sombra and zeroQL have done in the 2000s and 2010s respectively.

I despise cheaters, but people who abuse their status to peer-pressure gullible retards into their way of thinking with no empirical evidence and a butthurt ego their only motivation can be just as bad.
Guard is a high-level dueller, people have seen him play strongly and do good in finals of both FaceIT and ZOTAC cups, so his opinion carries a certain amount of weight, so he should use brain before falling to baseless accusations :)

out of curiosity: how long are you going to protect him?:>

he played ~250 duels, and lost 9 of them... either hes a cheater[more likely considering his friendlist] OR hes fakenick of some1 really skilled...


zeun is a typical newcomer - 2.5k matches scanned by qlranks, 600 lost... do you see the scale differance?

Why does this classify as protecting him? I don't even know him, and seriously doubt he needs protection, especially if he doesn't cheat and isn't banned.

If everybody unanimously agreed about his blatant cheating, I wouldn't say a thing, or if some empirical proof of cheating was given (demo clearly showcasing the use of wallhack or feats of strength or accuracy that are considered humanly impossible.

Unfortunately, the only 3 people who are certain of him cheating are mid-mid/high latvian warp-rager who got beat by the guy, a Romanian cheater with mental health problems and finally an Idiot Pole whose only remaining idol is av3k (after the Pope kicked the bucket in 05 and president kissed tree in 2011) and is butthurt his idol lost.

If you're not protecting him, then you're just seek attention.


except his friends everybody agrees on his "skills"... and, no, you dont need empirical proof... how do you support existance of gravity with empirical proof? or existance of air? you cant


fortunately guard knows what he says because of his experiance and skills that were proven at offline event, and you wont find a better cheat expert than daddy.


now, considering all these mean things you just said to me, i assume you are just another average, non loved, esr nerd :-)

Dear Hitsu,

Congratulations on winning ESReality's "stupidest post ever made" competition.
Having faced some extremely stiff competition (mostly from Wales, South America and the USA), the ESR standards & practices committee have unanimously voted in your favour. Although having been a great competitor beforehand (arguing about terminology of non-existing English nouns with native speakers, random uneducated mumbo-jumbo, etc), but the following sentences have been considered "so stupid, attempts to analyse or even parody the said sentences can cause an aneurysm in a person of a mental age above 6"

1) "how do you support existance of gravity with empirical proof?"
2) "or existance of air?"
3) you can't

to which I would like to reply

1 BY SCIENTIFICALLY DROPPING SHIT AND OBSERVING THE FUCKING CAUSE AND EFFECT. In case I may be insensitive and gravity does not exist, I would like to request you to perform the following exercise:
1a) gather a small object in your hand (unplugged computer mouse, wallet or phone)
1b) stand up and reach out your arm at shoulder length, while holding the object in point A.
1c) Gradually release the object from your hand without a sense of direction (don't throw it, just let it go). If the object in question falls down, Poland has gravity, if it floats up, there is no gravity in Poland.
2) air? how in the fuck what jesus fuck no help plz what penis
3) fucking magnets, how do they work?

you dont really know what empiricism is, do you?


you just found out that any object will fall on ground, when dropped... not really a proof of gravity existance...

you may deduct, knowing physics basics, that there is a force that will force objects to fall, but its not a proof... its a theory :-)


thank you for providing me another example of your lacks in education :-)

no

great argument, but i kinda expected withdrawal or another wave of insults...

scientific method

ow, im so terribly sorry...

as always i made this assumption, this little habit of mine, a sign of trust to another human being... i actually belived i talk with ppl who got equally educated as me


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical

However, since the 1960s, a persistent critique most associated with Thomas Kuhn,[3] has argued that these methods are influenced by prior beliefs and experiences. Consequently it cannot be expected that two scientists when observing, experiencing, or experimenting on the same event will make the same theory-neutral observations. The role of observation as a theory-neutral arbiter may not be possible. Theory-dependence of observation means that, even if there were agreed methods of inference and interpretation, scientists may still disagree on the nature of empirical data.

persistent critique

that's a critique, not a fact. shall I explain you the difference?

these methods are influenced by prior beliefs and experiences.

this is not science, go back and read the link i posted before.

i actually belived i talk with ppl who got equally educated as me

i'm glad you act superior, while you misunderstand opinions with facts and quote concepts which are too difficult for you to be understood.

already got bsc in "snackbar science" after attending uni for 8 yrs?
or, better, u got the "wikipedia" diplome?

you got serious comprehension problem lad.

The role of observation as a theory-neutral arbiter may not be possible.

its a fact... the spoon in glass of water will look "broken"... you are allowed to make this experiment yourself :-)

therefore, empiricism is not a reliable source of getting information... now, about scientific method

To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning

here i bolded the missing link between empirical and scientific proof...



now kindly go away to be dumb somwhere else

i think he's trying to say that empiricism is sterile because it relies only on pure observation.
Scientific method consists in observation and experiments
(this is a only a guess of his thoughts)

almost correct...

empiricism is also biased by our experiances and illusions

now kindly go away to be dumb somwhere else

carry on

If the object in question falls down, Poland has gravity, if it floats up, there is no gravity in Poland.

lol'd hard

He isn't a "strange looking newcomer". He is a cheater or fake nicker.

make that "two Poles whose only remaining idol is av3k (after the Pope kicked the bucket in 05 and president kissed tree in 2011) and are butthurt their idol lost."

What?

http://www.esreality.com/post/2387898/re-premium-acc/#pid2387883

I just edited my post, where i wrote the only people certain of them cheating are guard (lost to both of those guys), daddy (who's basically a retard) and hitsu (who is a total mongoloid who I have on ignore so I didn't even wish to respond to him at first). I edited the last sentence as a reply to you (and removed the "idiotic" adjective since it would only apply to hitsu)

don't replay to this guy, I guess he is one of these guys, that likes to say/prove anything otherwa, what others talks, even he knows it's not true. Maybe it's attention whore or something..
Why I never told baksteen cheating? Why I never told twister cheating? zsx cheating (before he entered first DH), scoot cheating (before entered 1st DH). Why I never told other mid/high skilled players who stepup in skill and started to rape my ass? Even few of these guys have insane % of rail and lg.

guard, you an oldschool mofo skiller played/beat everyone. does any big aim pro shoot or play like luppi? like strenx, killsen, do they shoot like luppi?

i don't get it, what are you asking?
I have didn't heard about luppi before, joined random server, PLAYED 3 MINS and I knew he is cheater, When checked friendlist/games list, found aztec (didn't saw they are from same clan). So in 3 mins game + 5 mins checking game stats, FOUND 2 cheaters. When they joined server with aztec and so same clan as luppi, so it was obvious squared.
Two nonames accounts with same clan, with 1000elo movement and elo 500 map knowlage ruling with same stats and so. My 2 years little brother could tell they are cheating even didn't saw how they play.
ps. but As I told above, 3 mins game , 5min stats , found 2 cheaters.

lol?

Syncerror said yesterday on twitch chat that Luppi is a fake account of a "semi-pro" player who competed in some lans.

was it syncerrror? that guy always comments hes from aussie land and is a troll ehe, also how would he know anyway.. D:

No, it was real syncerror, only two r's ;)

ahkk but how would he know anyway? hehe

IP address

That sounds like Sombra.

Sombra already played as "unleash" in QL and got banned for hacking again, I doubt he'd be allowed to play

sombra doesnt move like a noob

I know who luppi and aztec are. They aren't cheaters but well known high skilled players using fake nick. They can reveal themselves, but I guarantee you they aren't cheating :)

I can clearly see , luppi is better player then aztec and he is not totaly noob, but he is around 1700 elo. he knows game basics, but thats it.

Guard, I already posted a month ago luppis acc and provided his demo to syncerror, but he didnt do anything. 1st games when he started playing he had each CTF / duel games shaft 60+, rail 85 etc etc, afterwards when ppl start accusing him he started to spam and he lowered settings in humanized bot.

*edit* after 4mins i started to record him: http://www.sendspace.com/file/a5zqd3 hes clearly cheating

some1 said what syncerror said that he is semi-pro who attended lans. His team8 who was defending him said that he is some1 who rapes everyone and he never attended on a lan what so ever.

He can be semi pro, pro, have 999 lans... he is 100% cheater.
He can start play QL for 24/7, turn off cheats and be ~2000 elo, but smart players would know the truth.

Bring da osp scoreboard

ze best!

what relevance it has to you banned cheater?

Haha you punked his ass.

End game stats I find are always incorrect in team games, particularly CTF.

I've seen stats being widely different at the end of the game (for example end game shows 40%) but then when you look at the match statistics it displays 31%.

Any reason for this?

shotgun?

Still occurs when you don't use shotgun

Its a feature.

I don't know but judging from the numbers, I'd assume that for in-game calculations it works like that:

50% RL + 75% RG = 62.5% acc

Whereas for match statistics it works like this:

50% RL (100/200) + 75% RG (3/4) = 103/204 = 50.X% acc

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that (at least) one of them is slightly bugged.

you probably already know this but...

ql used to show average accuracy ingame and on the web, now it displays best weapon accuracy ingame and average accuracy on the web (afaik).

for in game, not true, it is some sort of average

otherwise everyone's display in ctf would show 40-70% always at map end (rail) which is not the case.

pretty sure it is, the weapon stats displayed are either from the weapon with most damage dealt or most kills, but it should be damage iirc (atleast in ca :).

/edit: aaah, wait we are talking about different things.

+acc gives you accuracies for all the weapons plus the average which also ends up on the web stats after the game.

+scores gives you the weapon accuracy of the weapon you dealt most damage with next to everyones nick on the scoreboard.

most damage certainly makes more sense yes

So to summarise, no one knows what's happening with weapon accuracies and what is what :P

yes we arent quite sure in game at all. in match history its pretty accurate and obvious though

last one's not CPM, it's excessive or excessiveplus (national flags, timestamp on console messages, 357 bfg shots on what appears to be q3ctf1)

Ah yes, of course.

you'd know hehe

wtf.... how did you get my screenshot from 2001 vs a bot from yahoo geocities that has been down for 10 years?!?!?/1111

STALKER

Solid 7% MG bro

and it bothers you less than rail acc on dm17?

It'd be great if the QL scoreboard would show packetloss too!

item pickups would show alot.

especially power up pickups count for alot in tdm / ctf, will show clearly which team did the right things.

in fact lets take it one step ahead: show damage done by a player while having quad / haste to truely show who made a big impact.

that's already on the scoreboard.. (team PU time, not 100% sure about ctf)

I meant in match history, with more detail (individual times as well)

More than making a new menu items, why not make the end-game scoreboard customisable and integrated into the hud language.

Let the community come up with some neat implementations that others players can download and use straight away.

It would probably be more work to re-work the hud script language and implement the needed ownerdraw variables, but it would be a much welcomed addition.

We could customise to our hearts content!

If you were ever to go down that route; please also add the ability to upload new fonts as well; that would be rather neat :)

i belive it cant be implemented, because you could set premium scoretables elements in a normal nonpremium one :-)

In it's current state yes; I imagine that could be relatively easily rectified :)

@ original poster))


Actual CPM Stats
Actual CPM Stats for team games

okey , thenks)

OSP is rules

add to the topic crazy Frenchman or I add it for you murder you in the face

pretty solid 12.2% shaft by unique*ge innit

top left?

please note that I did this earlier c:

lol, didn't see this thread before :P

well this thread turned kinda lulzy

ShadyAk you just went full retard in this thread!

pic ->

Thanks admin