cod and battlefield wont become anything good untill EA sells the companies they bought up (ruined) or everyone behind the original games leave and make a new fps game.

srsly, bf3 endgame dlc is out for 2 days and its already dead late at night, cant find a decent HC server anywhere, if i do its filled with retards that have no eye for the flags in ctf and whatnot.

they call these triple A games, lol.

as it is now, quake/cs/sc2 are the pro games (ie, made by people who actually give somewhat of a shit), anyone willing to add their game to the list better not be working under EA ;D

You are posting on a quake forum and complaining noone plays hc?

To start to make bf more quakelike health could be bumped 2-300%, instead you play the mode that is closest to instagib?

What.

dunno bout u, but when i fire a whole clip at someone i expect them to drop (ie, HC mode) cant have that in normal. its just weird.

besides why are you comparing quake and bf3? i play both ql and bf3 casually. changing the setting now n then aint a bad thing :>

magazine*

what if im using a pistol with a clip? ;p

edit, well apparently old rifle is more believable. but bf3 doesnt have an m1 garand i dont think

xD

Just bustin' balls; nothing personal.

Though seriously, it's a mag.

=P

Hardcore is for retards, that's why.

Normal is for retards, that's why.

You realise it's not the standard setting for a reason? The reason is not 'noobs can't handle hardcore'.

you have it backwards, normal ruins bf3. the majority of the weapons are peashooters by design which on normal take forever to kill, hence why everyone plays with an m16. hardcore balances this out a bit. m16 etc is still OP but the rest has a better chance at dishing out damage. all that aside, i like quick gameplay, and normal isnt quick. smoke is also useless on normal, ramming Q is for the mongoloids. etcetcetc.

bf3 is still shit though :>

I'm not even giving you the time of day - Fact is, hardcore mode in both Battlefield and CoD is for fucking window lickers.

oh, dont forget, the majority likes to pick the easyer mode, why else are HC servers so scarce? :>

It's been a while since I played BF3, but I did go through bf2, bc2, bf3 after my quake days and had a lot of fun with those games.

But how are you not killing people with 1 magazine? I'm sure I remember surprising entire 4 man squads and taking them all out in 1 magazine. I almost never played HC, it just seemed like something more cod and cs like, which I despise. I like the bf games because they were really arcade. Being killed by a single shot means more static game play.

I guess I'll try bf4 also even though I'll probably be disappointed again. But fuck, I've had a lot of fun throwing c4 around, raping entire maps with the chopper and cruising around in a tank.

Well, like it or not, I have to admit that LoL and dota2 stands out from the crowd, though they are nowhere near starcraft 2 when it comes to the quality.

Quake is for a very small elite group nowadays, even CS seems to be healthier.

The game makes me feel that I’m awesome.

Maybe you should try it yourself? Apparently you have problems with being not-so-awesome in quake.

What's the problem with that sentence? It's true in the "if you open this door, you'll get an award"-era.

This is the reason why the CoD / BF players playing the game non-stop for 6 months (or more) are whining like bitches when an experienced quaker simply OWNS them in the first ever online match he plays.

I also don't see what's the problem with this sentence :/.

That was personal comment provoked by his/her (?) behaviour in ql.

this post pretty much sums up my thougths:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1a8ghf...of/c8v4okp

Agree! But also, CoD puts "skillful" or "competitive" games, like quake, behind a big shadow. I'm active in a LAN organization, promoting eSports (by having booths at smaller expos apart from the LANs). When the CoD players, or console players in general, come in touch with the CPMA LAN we usually set up, they experience something they have never ever seen, heard or played ever before. Those who play for more than 5 min, they can't leave. They are instantly hooked and want to learn more, experience more and "get as good as I am" (in their eyes I'm a "pro", solely because I have a competitive mindset about the game).

It's not rare that, if it's a more than one-day expo, the people who got "hooked" by the quake laptops come by the next day, only to play as much quake with their friends as they can.

The majority of people may enjoy casual and easy games, however there are also those who desperately look for more challanges, but they don't know where to find it... because of CoD.

I agree completely :)

there are also those who desperately look for more challanges, but they don't know where to find it... because of CoD.

This is why games like cod are to blame imo, "casual" players wouldn't play quake anyway.

It's not COD's fault that id software doesn't/is not able to support and promote Quake Live in a way that makes it popular with today's generation of gamers.

It's not. It is, however, to some degree, the collective fault of all the major publishers and game creators in the sense they none of them really try it and instead seek easy money with the next iteration of CoD and similar titles.

id did fuck up hard though.

To be honest I don't really think that being "skilless" or "not-competetive" has THAT much to do with it's popularity. Because when I really think about good, fun and "skillful" FPS games in the last decade... well there is nothing actually. Warsow with strange graphics, failed release with Q4+notsofun, QuakeLive being a worse copy of Q3A and thats pretty much all.

I'm not really into CS-like games but CS:GO seems to be unsuccessful too:
http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

SC2 might have its problems but it looks like it's the most successful game when it comes to "being demanding" and "fun". And it has a lot harder start then Quake due to being "forced" to play ladder which is a fucking steel wall for casuals.
While in Quake you can jump into CA / FFA / pubCTF/TDM and have great fun without really caring about the outcome. Some might come up with custom games in SC, but it's pretty much like mods in Quake (dragonball or urban terror etc).

OP is comparing COD with games like Quake and Unreal. You can't deny that they require different skill.

I thought that CoD was all about not requiring skill.

Obviously different, pretty much like starcraft or moba games, or mmo games or the Sims.

I don't know much about the recent CODs but I had fun on COD4, it was not bad actually.
It just seems that COD has become the CS of 2010's.

cod4 had and has an competitive scene, because mods are existent. no bombs from the air, limited perks and snipers, wider fov etc. when you watch vods its not completley retarded. i was never a regular player. speed, sniper flickshots and radar is great i must say.

i played black ops II on steam weekend a few weeks ago. it was a pile of crap. people running wild around because of radar, no team secure at all ppl dont know basic teamtactics, bombs from above, mega strong perks (you dont hear them, fast running and knifing abuse and there is no way to counter it, mines), snipers everwhere no limit, generic maps that are hilarious million ways to go-too much shooting angles, 12year olds burping in mics and all the time they say cheater.

its just painful. a satire of FPS. btw i played good (a silent lol).

That guy is almost as full of shit than the people he's complaining about.
Where's Hylis ? :D

His own game sounds even worse than COD.

I enjoyed Red Orchestra 2 a lot. Of course many Quake players wouldnt enjoy it as it is very slow paced. Much slower then Cod. But it is also unforgiving. As others have said here, an experienced Quake player can dominate a map in Cod in his first try. This wont happen in RO2. You need to plan every step you make because only one shot normally kills you.

The reason why I enjoyed it so much is that you are a complete noob in the beginning. I had to learn a lot to climb up in the scoreboard. Got around 200 hours of it and would recommend it to almost every fps player who is bored of Quake, Cod and every other shooter out there and is looking for a challenge.

Yea, RO2 is good. It is just different. RO2 also has small but great quite adult community. And I love WW2 games. Also Rising Storm in this year I think. btw. there will be a Tripwire ladder soon.

btw. I think Arma is also great game, but it's more like mmo than shooter imo. It's difficult in other way.

Two of great and "simple" in good way games i played recently was Chivalry and Natural Selection 2 (the second one is pretty hard)

In future there will be also a lot more realistic games like:
Festung Europa
Ground Branch
Americ's Army 4 (rumors)
Insurgency 2
Heroes & Generals (a bit similiar to RO2)

I prefer more arcade, but still these above probably will be better PC games than CoD/BF.

good description.
to be fair, ro2 isnt for everyone. i heard that cod kids bought it and didnt understand. its tactical, slow, with more realism.

It's like Dallas in that manner.

Can't deny it CoD nowadays is designed to make shit players do well by bullshit map design and all them perks and stuff. Like if there is a skill gap in quake the good player can literally never even come close to dying whereas in CoD the skill gap has been bludgeoned out of existence.

CoD4 was actually pretty darn good though.

cod4 was a start of shit cod's.


first was great, and actually required some skillz, second one wasnt that good, but still playable mp

Yes, the shit started since cod4. killstreaks & perks and thinking that "i'm awesome" . Promod helped this game to be better. But, imo good game should be good without mods.

quake 3 was not

"But, imo good game should be good without mods. "

...said the quaker :-)

Q3 with mods looks quite similiar.

Between CoD2 and CoD2 with mods there was no a lot difference too.

CoD4 with promod is different game.

nah, I'm not big quaker unfortunately ;]

q3 without mods is awful compared to osp or cpma. Also 95% of maps played are community made.

I think most people here can agree that Call of Duty 1 and United Offensive had higher skill ceilings than the sequels. Perhaps more importantly though, I think they were just more amusing games to play. There was something about the player models, the maps and the in-game voices that just had an awesome feel to it. The later games in the series, apart from having lower skill ceilings, seemed to take themselves too seriously. Sure I'm nostalgic but I think there is more to it than that.

cod uo has my favorite cod sp. I've played them all.

Compared to newer iterations? Sure.

Maybe somewhere between CS and current CODs? Possibly along the lines of bf3 infatnry?

Compared to quake/unreal? No way, not even the same ball park.

I wasn't comparing them to Quake, Unreal or any other series. I don't know where you got that from.

The noobing began in CoD 1, they released some god awful patch and the game became utter shit

Yeah, the 1.3 version was a response from IW to all the noobs flooding their forums. It took away all the skill gap (removed prone jumping + jumping in general by adding that awesome 'trying to jump on a wheel chair' feeling + made aiming totally random) and it was the breaking point in CoD series, making it forever a shitty game of angles and camping.

Its a shame, up to that point CoD 1 was a really good game, allowing players to show their skills (somewhat, still couldnt be compared to q3/ql). Who knows what would CoD games look like today, if IW werent pussies.

‘I really cannot see why we should expect big commercial concerns to show an idealism which the average individual is incapable of showing himself or even of appreciating in others. I am afraid that I am writing as if I were disillusioned, but a bitter wisdom is not necessarily disillusionment.'

-Compton Mackenzie

http://www.gramophone.co.uk/blog/the-gramopho...good-music

Yet the message comes from the developers of a shit game called Red Orchestar! Which is another military shooter, another realism wanna be bullshit, and another iron sight/no hip firing accuracy trend. Yeah way to be different and call it on the players. Next they tell me how they are against lens flair which they have in their game....A LOT

You know what was sad? They talked about how awesome Unreal/Quake was, and giving false perception that Rec Orchestra was trying to be that. In before Painkiller is the same game as the one released in 2004....How many remakes did they make? Yeah and they all fucking sucked

Imo they do not try to give the perception that their game is like quake or UT.

What they really wanna say is that they wish they could develop a game like that. They disagree with the gameplay choises made yet have no real say in it since their game needs to sell.

If it was up to them however..

For me RO is great game for public, and its just something different. Imo Arma is also great game, but maybe more like mmo than shooter.

Ofcourse they are not competitive. And Quake is just amazing. They are just different. btw. I like WW2 games.

Both are true pc games, not console one. Consoles did a lot bad things, not only cod.

if anything what changed the genre was halo, not cod or console games. That's the one to blame.

With the appearance of WoT, CoD became an hardcore skilful game =0

CoD+console=cancer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7HbCkU_-cM&am...&t=39s

cmon I wanted to post that

first! ;] me>you ;>>>>>

Holy shit, that one skinny kid bowing up and taking off his glasses was amazing! LOLIRL4Realz

Oh god, this is a… sponsored championship?..

omg. no words. progaming.

HEY?

i only play gears of war 3 tdm right now. It's one console game I think most quake players would enjoy and i highly recommend it.
gears is not as difficult as quake(1v1), but it's harder than you think. Before you scoff at the idea of playing a console shooter, let me tell you that
you're going to get your ass handed to you when you start. It doesn't matter how good you are at quake, you will still struggle, especially if you play in the US.
I have never played cod, but it looks much easier than gears from my eyes. the autoaim assistance is so strong in COD, its ridiculous. Starhawk on ps3 is another good shooter I can vouch for. COD might be the worst series ever made but at least there are still some decent shooters on console.

Before you scoff at the idea of playing a console shooter, let me tell you that
you're going to get your ass handed to you when you start.

That's because you have to learn aiming with pads imo, the way you aim is completely different from mice.

i think it has more to do with transitioning to 3rd person and with picking up the movement system/tricks.

you're average quake player would have no problem being decent at cod/halo, even if they're never touched a joystick before. however, they'd be sitting ducks in gears.

So many people think controllers are awful, but it's just another input device to get used to. It's limited, but my aim barely improved when I got my XIM3, although my movement did.

I think controllers are just not suited for aiming in general (even if you are used to them).
Sure, you can play fps games with them but not in the same way you could play with keyboard+mouse.

The new glorious age of fps

People are actually playing shooters with joysticks and even venture as far as to call it superior...

CoD is the gateway drug to sucking cock. I knew this cat, started on the CoD and then started on the cock. It's a slippery slope.

I think it's just a different aspect of gaming for FPS. Obviously you can be talented with a controller just like a PC FPS player with a keyboard and mouse. Being that I play both PC and Console (Quake3,4/COD and Halo) I think keyboard/mouse FPS players require more practice and skill. I used to practive 5-6 hours on PC. I really just play on Console, don't really practice.

btw.

http://www.humblebundle.com/weekly
Red orchestra 1 & 2 for 1$ (worth more)

heard that they sold 70k bundles.

http://www.fpsguru.com/game/317/article/3302/...ekend.html
"Call of Duty Championship For $400,000 This Weekend"

So sad. so retarded.

"esports", ofc with autoaim and killstreaks.

#DEATHTOCOD2013 post on twitter

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Rising Storm giving you access to whole multiplayer content (RO2+ Rising Storm). Cheap and quite good.

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