Problem with T1E is that he plays too much CA. ))

T1E is a very very slow learner, but he does progress all the time

+b pub wanker rail only 0:-1 heroes /vium

T 1 E
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I have 2000 elo, and I'm never gonna be able to "break through".

1. I'm not smart enough
2. I don't have the patience
3. I can only use rail
4. I can only time 1 item, barely even that.
5. My rockets are fucking atrocious.
6. I rage, easily.
7. I don't even know, if anyone do know any more issues I have, please feel free to tell so I can make a bigger list.

I have 1400 elo, and I'm never gonna be able to "break through".

1. I'm not smart enough
2. I don't have the patience
3. I can only use LG
4. I can only time 1 item, barely even that.
5. My rockets are fucking atrocious.
6. I rage, easily.
7. I don't even know, if anyone do know any more issues I have, please feel free to tell so I can make a bigger list.

afaik you were able to "break through" in q4?
plus 90% of the ql community would like to reach at least your level :D

True, but I had fooKi back then, who pretty much taught me how to play duel.


<3 fooki

I have 2000 elo, and I'm never gonna be able to "break through".

4. I can only time 1 item, barely even that.

You confirmed my worst suspicions.

What? That I'm an imbecile? Because that would be accurate.

All I'm seeing is a list of things you can improve on in order to 'break through'

Well tbh, you're pretty good and you've beaten players like zsx and stuff. Would already say you've "broken though" somewhat

Thing is, I played zsx all the time before, I'd win 1, he'd win 6-7, I'd win 1, he'd win 6-7.

If I play players with 2200+ elo, 30 times, I could maybe win 5, at max, of them. And that is probably to high even

You should have beaten cypher this morning on T7, but you went full retard in the last 60s.

Haha. Correct

Read
1. I'm not smart enough \ I'm an idiot.

1. I rage, easily.
2. I rage, easily.
3. I rage, easily.
4. I rage, easily.
5. I rage, easily.
6. I rage, easily.
7. I don't have the patience

Fixed it for you, np friend. x

The ONLY thing on your list that matters is #2. PATIENCE. When I watch pros duel, I'm like "OH god, I couldn't wait. I just want to +forward and fight". Be it in control or out of control.

Cypher only times 1 item. MAYBE.

Plenty of better players can only use rail.

Lots of better players have worst rockets.

Pros rage more than you, I promise.

Some are dumber than you.

It's. Just. PATIENCE.

what about me, I cant use rail.

I randomly fluctuate between 1200 -1400 elo, and I'm never gonna be able to "break through".

1. I only play 2-3 duels a month
2. I don't have the patience
3. I cannot dodge
4. I can only time 1 item, barely even that.
5. My rockets are fucking atrocious.
6. I rage, easily.
7. I don't even know, if anyone do know any more issues I have, please feel free to tell so I can make a bigger list.

If you say you can - you can
if you say you cant you're right

I think you're awesome.

I'm noob.

1. I CBA.
2. My aim is retard with everything but RG.
3. Losing makes me break my mouse. I don't wanna break my mouse.

My timing is good though.

Eventhough im currently peak 1800 elo I believe its all in the details
I've watched better players play and I've noticed even If my game plan isn't too different than theirs the results differ heavily.
So it's all in the small things + combat skills (dodging etc.)

Some people play for fun, others for competition. It's the ones that compete that generally improve, while the ones who play for fun, continue to have fun.

tru dat.

they've good aim

But let's say you started with some reatded high sens and never bothered to aim well but you got good through timing and positioning.
What is the chance of you re-learning the game so you can aim well and still play the same way you played before?

you can play the same way you did before but probably isn't a good thing to do anymore because a good aim makes you able to play so much different and ultimately better

do you mean that
1) they were able to get better by improving their aim
or
2) improving because of generally good aim?

they're able to "break through" because they have better aim than those who can't "break through"

Baksteen

his aim is good as is agent's

agent`s aim is beyond shit considering the level he is playing on. I played vs agent and his 22%acc shaft didnt impress me at all. Rather his ability to get every item :P

yea it's true his lg is sometimes a bit lousy but overall with combatskills he's good (all weapons, dodging and weaponselection)

..

as long as it's not rail that he's not hitting but gladly he is D:

whereas twister manages to do miracles with only one weapon

Well twister`s rockets arent to shabby either and he knows how to engage fights. At least from my experience playing him.

don't get me wrong, he's fairly good in every aspect but that rail giving him a lot of extra

He's still using fov 3000 ?

No, idea :O

agent is my best argument when i explain to ppl they dont really need good aim to be good @ quake

his item awareness and positioning wins matches for him

and combat skills

Agent is such a smart player, probably moreso than rapha. I just wish he was smart enough to figure out he needs to work on his aim. Maybe he already knows but it's his ego getting in the way and he doesn't want to lose to bad players by tweaking his sensitivity.

yeah but his way to win is camping the same spot every map and outbore his opponent. Who wants to play like that?

agent

good aim isn't always a good thing

How's good aim a bad thing?

hack accusations!

in a lot of ways

Such as?

how much money are u willing to spend for this lesson?

I will tell you this for free, if you are born with good aim you will rely on it and hardly improve in any other areas than pure combat.

good aim (hitscan) can be a fucking curse.

Example 1. You have 90 health and just got enemy into lg lock of %45 percent shaft. You're thinking, oh this nigga is GOING DOWN!

He pulls out rocket and rapes you, you rage.

What would happen if you lg'd 30? you would go 'aw fuck hes gonna rocket me because he wont die quick enough' and instead you pull out your own rocket and destroy him.

Your belief in your lg made you choose the wrong weapon combination for that fight.

Example 2. You have a sick fucking rail, so you bait every item on the map instead of timing them, you keep railing the enemy on items but you never take any. At 9 minutes on the map you miss that rail on mega, enemy lgs you down and wins game 1-0. You rage. (hi k1llsen)

I don't understand example 1.
With bad aim, you just run away, you don't deal damage, you might just die. I don't see how it's beneficial not having good aim.


I don't understand example 2 either.

You have good RG so you stop attacking items all together? Why would you do that?

with good aim you will get overconfident and will take some risks, instead of playing it safe...


its a valid point if u want to play rapha-like...

I still don't understand...

Does having good aim automatically change you into an all-rushing-nobrain-idiot with terrible decision making, or can you play like a normal person whilst having good aim?

I like maza's description, it's just another tool in your box, it can't harm you.

well, not everyone can be me, do not be ashamed by your lack of understanding.


good aim doesnt mean you will play stupid, but it does mean you will get bad habbits... habbits that will kill you in the end...

imagine: you're equal stack with your enemy, and you hit better shaft for whole game... now, you fight for the item, be hes got much better position... 99% of players wont leave it after some dmg, they will stay, trying to use their aim advantage...


position rape -> ur crippled, all because u belived too much on you aim.



also: maza is butthurt because he doesnt improve anymore... combat skills barrier is his excuse

A person with bad aim won't be able to deal any damage from a bad position - look at evil for example, he has beast aim but also is known for dealing damage where most people aren't able to.

I'm imagining the situation and I don't see why having a better aim means I'm going to consciously pick bad positions to fight. How would having a bad aim save you from being in a bad position?

Also, I'd rather hear some answers from someone who knows how to play, no offense.

guy with bad aim will concentrate more on positioning/timing compared to aimwhores, thus he will more likely have better position before fight

you can ask ins about this shit, he will anwser in similar manner

I'm not talking about "aim whores"

I'm saying having a bad aim is not necessarily bad, if used properly?

:D

read your post once more :D


but yeah, great aim can be usefull if u learn to use it as evil or chypa do

i think what hes getting at is, if you have good aim you wont learn how to compensate with other skill. its very apparent if you look at just a random pubber. take myself as an example; i have good in-fight skill, but my positioning and railing is absolute junk. if my opponent isnt opening himself up to fights, im hella lost. i can rail in some positions but other people around my skill often have an advantage in that reguard.

But that doesn't mean the aim is hindering you - if you have naturally good aim you can pay more attention to the meta-game

What they mean is that regardless how good your opponent is you still take the fights you actually shouldnt because your brain thinks "k, 40%shaft he`s dead, heheyo)" but in reality your opponent hits then the same amount as you and due to better position/same stack you are dead.

So to conclude:

Having good aim means you rely solely on aim, even if you're out-positioned, always.

This correlates to

Having good timing means you inertly become a bad aimer?

Having good aim means you rely solely on aim, even if you're out-positioned, always.

Doesn`t apply to everyone who is a strong aimer but to a lot of people it does. Just take strenx as an example and compare 2010 strenx to prime strenx in 2011. Completely different player who was aware of is strength but didnt rush blindly like he was used to.
But yeah a lot of people tend to overestimate themselfs and that is why they stagnate around 1,8-2k elo. For instance they might say "well if I hit that rail I woulda won that fight easily" instead of realizing that the fight might have been bad anyway regardless of how good they could have aimed in that situation.

Having good timing means you inertly become a bad aimer?

No, not really. Strenx, spartie and cooller have both good aim and great timing. It is just that players with decent aim tend to just not time because it isnt necessary. Might sound arrogant but I just dont time vs anyone under 1700 elo(hence Im so bad :O) But as soon as I face someone decent who is either a better aimer or in general just a smarter dueler I tend to struggle (brainfarts, mistiming etc.). Good timing then becomes a pain in the ass because you are not used to it and then it doesnt get easier to time when you are suddenly under a lot of pressure and you have to keep track of so many things simultaniously. Tho I`d say timing is kinda overrated. It is important to know when which items are up but not really on the 2nd. At least not on 1800-2k elo. There are more important things imo.

I played you only once and considering how bad i am at timing you were getting every item while i was outaiming you.
At the end of the duel you said learn to time to rage me even more at my inability to time :D

now imagine ffx isnt exactly the timing expert :D


still bettar player than me tho

Ye but i was saying it in a relation when he said he doesnt time too.
I still hit higher and more lg which is what matters !!!

no, not necessarily, but that progression is less likely to come naturally to a strong aimer as they didnt have to compensate =)

Eh I'm in no position to talk further about this since I obviously don't get it.

Keep in mind I'm rocking an awesome 25% LG












... on a good day :(

so by having 25% lg, you think uve learned everything you need to know about quake? =) you might have to dedicate more time than cypher or avek, but i still believe a 25% lg player can be the best

There's not much else for me to learn, the motivation and dedication just isn't there.

+zero focus
+easily rageable

yeah i get that, i even feel the same way as you. but i still feel that the ones who are dedicated enough to always be better will eventually get better.

well it's a tool in your box isn't it, how's that a bad thing :o

well what I found out (in my short ql adventure so far :D) is that you actually hit way better when you really focus.
Some one with fairly decent aim can be in this case outaimed by a guy who just plays with lots of concentrion and willpower. My theory highly applies for railgun IMO

having too many tools can affect how well can u perform with all of them, whereas with only a handful of tools, you'll develop them to be as good as they can be much faster

good aim being in your toolbox means you don't have to worry about being able to hit, so one thing less to worry about, more energy focus into developing brains or movement for example

if only 5% of ppl who have good aim could think like that ;)

yeah I know that but still having a good aim is only a good thing, it's up to you if you can utilize it as you should and not abuse it while concentrating on nothing else (strenx!)

can't be such a good thing when most ppl use it wrong can it!? :D

toolbox can't include too many tools, even if you're not able to use them all correctly! =))

dr. gadget approves

Its quite easy to make your aim worse to try to force yourself to play smarter. Play on 60Hz with Vsync ON and drastically change sens each round.

Basically it is the type of practice and games people are playing that makes them stagnant and not improve.

If you really want to get good at quake duel, you must do as rapha did.

In every duel game you play, play it so that the enemy has 0 score.

ZERO FUCKING SCORE. If you win 1-0 good. If you win 5-0 good. If you win 20-0 good.

Always ziltch, nadda, bubkiss. NO SCORE FOR THE ENEMY.

When playing pros you will always fuck this up and lose. That is why you go back, create a new alt and play 1200 elos players making the score 30-0. Then you get 1600 elo players making it 15-0 and on and on.

Have you ever tried this shit? It's a RUSH. Everything single move you do makes a difference, you will clearly see how and why you fucked up if the enemy gets a single frag on you.
This will be ingrained into your game.

You will learn to dodge them when you are low. (you will have to learn every single fucking angle a shot can come from on the map, to keep from dying)

You will learn to set traps to take back control (without dying)

You will learn to beast them when you have a stack (to keep them from getting a foot hold on the map control. And also since you already know how to hide and evade the enemy, you can already guess what they will do on the defense)

You will learn to calculate enemy health to near pinpoint precision.


This is one of the many secrets of quake 1v1 that I observed.

However nobody wants to actually play proper duel, they just want to make flashy frags and +forward lg or be a railhero.

It's sad.

I think it goes Bupkis.

#FREEJAMALZ2013

#FREEJAMALZ2013

#FREEJAMALZ2013

and

#FREEHEARTLESS2013

It's an interesting proposition you're putting up here. The rapha approach seems solid enough if you've got the temper and patience to push for such a score - and then be able to evaluate on it.


I don't agree on what you write regarding nobody playing proper duel though. Playing "proper duel" is a matter of taste for the most part, but I wouldn't say wanting to make flashy frags, +forward LG or being all rail-artsyfartsy is all that bad. It's what makes it good to spectate but also rewarding for the player. Most players, myself included, love when they get an incredible looking frag or get 80pcnt LG in a fight. Even making a rail at an impossible angle is rewarding.

"Proper duel", as I interpret what you're writing, is matches without personality but pure theory in practice, curbing every personal trait there could be in playstyle, and if that is the case, I'm sure you already know that it's damn near impossible to see, no matter what game we're talking about.

To answer there should be some data to look at, like how much time these players have played etc.

I think answering aim is a bit a simplification. Good aim is the result of many things, including awareness of the game. And this one is a bigger beast than just aim.

Another problem is to realize your own mistakes, and realize that sometimes to get better you have to pass through playing "worse", as you may have to focus on aspect you are not good at, and loose many matches until you get it right. And that is not necessarily intuitive.

Overall, I think the answer is "because it's hard".

and how do you learn to "realize" your own mistakes? I mean a worse player is less likely to discover mistakes compared to better players

misstiming, getting outpositioned, getting suprised, not dealing dmg when its possible

If you are lucky, a friend will tell you what is wrong with your game, or a new thing they found out etc. It's not a secret that having the right friends will help.

But regardless of external help, you got to analyze your game with a cold mind, possibly a few days later you played, so you have zero emotional attachment/memory, and just look at what happens in game.

To make an example of the thinking process one can do:

I watch my demo and see how my opponent cuts me off as I go to an item and kills me with proper spam. The direct thinking could be: watch out for that angle. That's ok. But if you go a bit earlier in the demo you actually see a situation where I realize the position of the opponent, and instead of immediately react and go to the item safely I linger too long and get eventually cut off. That's good, but why did that happen? The problem is that in my mind I did not consider that item as my target, so I was not ready to take the opportunity to rush it. Ok, so why did I not have time of it? Etc etc.

There is no single recipe, and not general rules in the game. Loads of situations and mechanics. A player who really thinks about these things, and focuses on improving them will eventually get better. Not overnight, but over months of fixing many little things, getting over frustration of not knowing what is wrong, etc.

Apologies for the completely unrelated reply, but will we be seeing you on Faceit again at any point? I really enjoyed your casting last time = >

this gunna be awesum topic :D

some players are just able to get fully focused, i rarely get that but i think, like most players, when you are really focused you can time almost every item and predict most of the enemy's steps so you can make traps and play smartly, even the aim comes with that.

if you can keep yourself fully focused during a game, you can easily do the unexpected, even for you.

wtf... it's not like we're all clones, everyone's brain (concentration, hand-eye coordination, decision making, patience, strategy, memory, multitasking, planning thought process, etc...) are different, some of these brains happen to be more efficient at quake than others, and some are more efficient at learning than others. This means that not everyone who invests X amount of time will reach the "next level", and some might never reach it.

My problem:

Same...

Same shit bro. Milion thoughts at once, can't focus on playing.

It's a progression my friend.

Timing programs are good to help you learn the item times, but do not replicate the feeling of timing in an actual duel. It is different, you have to actively train yourself to remember the times. But when you play duel it feels like attacking and defending and position play are much more important so timing falls away in your subconscious because it doesn't feel relevant enough.

I had the exact same shit going on with me. But you don't know that everyone at first has that, some people can deal with it faster and thus it disappears and some people take a long time until they can focus.

What you do to train yourself is do not even think when dueling. Yep. The only things you do at first is time shit. You are essentially playing pacman.

It is you vs the clock and items. You can hide and avoid enemy, shoot spam here and there, but just get the items. You are not there to win a duel, you are not there to do anything, resign yourself to losing. However in your head you will be focusing on the items. Strafing routes to the items, taking them even if you are going to die.

Keep doing this until you have item timing locked down. Little by little add in attacking the enemy between the item times. Not a lot, still focus on the items but slowly add in actual duel play. (this means 1-2 weeks of focusing on items and not barely attacking)

After all that training, you won't ever get nervous in duel and forget item times. It is already 2nd nature for you. When it is 2nd nature, you can freely worry about the enemy, set up traps, delay shit. Everything in your game starts to connect. You have the base of your game complete (timing) now you can layer strategy, combat skills, traps on top of it.

That is how to develop your game.

beta blockers

there you go again...

anti-hypertensive for neurological problem?

I propose domperidone for this above patient!

cause they don't want to.
and t1e's been getting better every time, so pls don't mention him as stagnate

as I already mentioned, I dont have the best examples without hurting someone :D

-_-

cheater;dr

my aim was horrendous

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8oWg5WFtIo

specs make me lag

actually you pretty much wrote down, what I were already thinking about :D

when you stop analyzing you stop getting better. simple as that

Exactly.

If you cant get better it means you suck at analysing your own mistakes.

Most people are like (post game): 'had I won that lg battle...' or 'I mistimed two megas...' , they dont think about how they shouldve positioned themselves to have an escape option should things go wrong or how to regain control once they lost on mega.

Ask any pros and theyre going to tell you the same story: 'I used to watch tons of demos, including my own.' Cypher, Rapha, Evil... they all improved that way. Doing analysis of your own game for 10 matches is worth more than playing a hundred (sorry fat). Then watch 10 demos of Cooller, as thats the guy doing everything by the book - perfectly - and learn.

When thinking about it, with Joe & 2gd gone and Rapha casting only on rare occasions, theres noone to help you in that. Guess the faceit guys could finally level up their casting and stop just calling out all the obvious stuff. And realise analysing and in-depth talk onto game attracts more players than fake excitement, not to mention its something that keeps the randoms watching if you show them how complex this seemingly simple game really is.

You've got to watch the right demos. There's demos of guys that come back 8-0 on ztn (cypher vs strenx) and other shit that won't help you.

If you can't lg like cypher then that WILL NEVER WORK for you. It's 70 percent aim and 30 percent brain. (even though how he chased him was very smart, 99% of ppl can not do what he did, so the demo is useless)

I would watch close games like 2-1 wins with cerebral players to get strategies. Cooller/Rapha/Spartie (not aerowalk, not drunk)/Agent/pavel. Weak aimers that must enforce control of items/position/map tactics and so forth to dominate. (rapha vs jibo dm6, oh god yes)

Also it depends on what kind of player you are, heavy aim or weak aim. If you are heavy aim - then whoever is playing you will try to out think you, they'll set traps and so forth without trying to actually 1v1 you. Then to combat this shit, you have to learn from strenx/cypher and the sort. Check their close wins or losses and see why they failed. How they were dismantled by rapha and co, so you can be prepared for those sneaky moves.

I really loved playing duel when I was a weak aim player. The enemy would come at me and i'd set traps and various shit to make em pay. It is the most fun way of duel. Now that I have sick aim and pecs, I don't duel because I have to chase the weak aimers, they never come to me.

Quake is deeeeep as fuck. The better you get, the more you understand how deep it can be, the crazier the games and the more fun you have.

GET GOOD SCRUBS.

rapha vs jibo dm6 - is that the one where he finds him at shards with 0.01 seconds left on the clock?

Interresting.

You have to really want it. You have to think fast, and act on decisions with no hesitation. Practice thinking as fast as you possibly can and adapting to your opponent's decisions. So many players are lazy, they look for easy solutions and don't think as fast as they can. If your opponent is out-thinking you you are going to lose.

Be patient when you need to be, but when it's time to make a move never hesitate. You need to be confident in your decisions, even if they turn out to be wrong. They will become more accurate in time. Also, you have to enjoy yourself. Many pros who rage still enjoy themselves and this helps everything improve so much faster. To summarize I think one needs to:

*think very quickly
*be patient when you need to be
*be confident and act with no hesitation
*enjoy the game

If you are really in tune with your thought process and mentally giving 100% at all times, you will learn from your mistakes and improve significantly over time.

I don't think anyone mentioned that it simply isn't worth it anymore. I genuily think it is the main reason, if QL was way more popular with a huge community, a lot of different sponsored teams, numerous online tournaments, substantial amount of LANs and so on, you would see so many new players really reaching the top.
Nowadays, what do you get once you reach the top ? Hardly any LANs, a struggle to find a team that will sponsor you, pretty much the only thing left are online cups but it's hardly an unique experience.

In a nutshell, the amount of effort needed to reach the top of the scene isn't even remotely balanced by the reward you will get once you reach it.

I don't agree with you.

For example, heartlesss, the one and only, what does he get to be #1 at thunderstruck ?
Nothing, people even make fun of him, but still, he's #1, and that's what matters.

Being #1 at quakelive is much more than being #1 at league of legends, because you're #1 at one of the best game ever made, skillwise.

I'm #1, and trust me, even tho i don't get any money out of it, even tho most people don't like me, i'm still motherfucking #1.

When i wake up in the morning, I'm like "omfg i'm #1 at quakelive, omfg", and trust me, that's such an awesome feeling. I'm not even sure that flash, the korean starcraft prodigy, is more proud of himself than i am of myself.

And take a look at cooller, this man is so badass, and just like me, once he was #1 at quakelive, and he's still one of the best quake player ever.

I guess that cooller and me fight for glory, not for money or bitches.

trololololollolololol

since when 1200 is top1? That's like top 100,000

"And take a look at cooller, this man is so badass, and just like me, once he was #1 at quakelive, and he's still one of the best quake player ever."

That's why I went after him.
http://www.esreality.com/files/misc/2011/8032...legend.swf

I went after the world champ at EVO in 2009 aswell.
Lost by two pixels but that was with only 2 weeks training with years out with a crappy joypad, those guys spend years staying in sync.
http://esreality.com/files/placeimages/2010/8...VsAfro.jpg

With my FIGHTSTICK TE, party time would have been over.

Impressive! Out of your extensive array of gaming achievements, which would you say you are most proud of?

"With my FIGHTSTICK TE, party time would have been over. "
Doesn't work for everybody, but whatever.....

would 'of could 'of

"I guess that cooller and me fight for glory, not for money or bitches."

Lies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbvJl4dqIaw&am...age#t=500s

It's all about the money, b@be.

dude u are actually retarded, having a shitty dodging style combined with being a warping french idiot who can use nothing but lg means ur suddenly the best thunderstruck player ever? http://www.quakelive.com/r/profile/matches/He...1fd90/ca/1 owned

ive no idea why you're getting so hostile

i was thinking the same myself actually hahaha got a bit carried away edited ;)

good job man

ahahahahah

you fuckface

you left the game after 1 win

you were like : "omfg i beat heartless once, now i better leave before i lose the next match"

when i played you, i wasn't playing with my regular sensitivity, actually i was playing with 38.5cm/360° instead of 30, that's why my lg was shit and i missed most of my shots

you're lucky enough to get 10:2, if we did a rematch you would have lost 10:8 twice with my regular sens

sometimes i get beat easily even by the most retarded noob, doesn't mean that i will lose the bo3/bo5 tho

but like i said, you left after one game, gg man really, you're soooo good

and i bet that you are skinny and ugly irl

A bo5 series on Thunderstruck.

Riveting.

well i couldnt be worse looking than a french retard ;) and REGARDLESS of what you were using... i dont even play thunderstruck very often, similarly to if u played me in duel i could be using any given mouse/pad and sens and still beat u badly. i didnt give u a rematch at the time cause i had to go out, and also i thought to myself, nah ill just let him live in his fantasy where hes actually good for qa little while longer :>

lel this scrub so mad he is going to esplode

i'm not mad, i'm laughing actually, he's a good troll :)

You can't call yourself number 1 if you have never vsed the player who is considered number 1 "Strenx".

should be easy enough as long as you learn something

Like in all sports, after reaching a certain plateau you need to be willing to take it next level and sacrifice things to break that plateau (2k elo mark for example) and improve beyond it. Get yourself dedicated and motivated. Look at the game from new perspectives. Try to practice as efficient as possible and don't waste time i.e. playing duels against low players.

Also it's important to set goals for yourself, when I said to myself 3 months prior to the lan that I want to reach playoff stages in Adroits lan, I improved very rapidly. Ofcourse, I played more than usual at this time, but the change of mindset was what really made me progress. Having the right mindset is the most important thing to improve at anything.

This is also why these days it's hard for players to really improve beyond the 2k elo mark, because there is simply no reason to go trough the hard work. Even though online competitive quake is more alive then ever, there is no guarantee that it will stay this way for a long time, and chances of quake being a popular LAN game again are close to zero.

Also, I notice alot of people seem to think that after reaching 2k elo, improving aim is the only thing that will get your skill up. This is not true. Decision making and tactical insights are things that top players like Rapha for example are still way ahead of compared to other players, I believe u can keep improving at all aspects of the game at any time in your career.

TL;DR: It's not necesarily the time you put in the game, it's how much motivation and dedication you are willing to put to it, having the right mindset, and setting goals for yourself.

Some good tips there for people, setting goals in particular. I'd love to be able to invest more time into duelling but I just really lack the time :(

I went from 1400 to 1800 elo when I was off work for the whole of December, and I managed to complete my goal of beating a 2k elo player during that time, but i'm still kinda shit but always try to learn!

basically thats what I wanted to hear :D

2k elo is bunch of dumbasses really

beta blockers and amphetamines!!!!

as an spectator I have always thought top players have at least one characteristic that makes them special, over the rest. Sure they make better decisions than 2000elo players, but also the ones that are the very best (not talking about faceit winners but about those that have the potential to go through international lan group stages or even win) have that extra bit.

so what does cooller strenx avek lack that cypher rapha have?

Rapha = patience
Cypher = ability to pull of inhuman combat skills at the right time

Are cooller and avek also patient with inhuman abilities? Yes, it's just that rapha and cypher seem to excel at it at the right time.

and what about cooller<cypher<av3k<cooller ?

this is just bullshit

Style clash

exactly.

im sure av3k would have some 1st places in ql past if he didnt have to play rapher @ semis every time :-)

i hope it will change now, considering evil and cooller are here... semifinal pairs should be draw!

well cypher or rapha being usually the ones who win, hes gonna have to play at least one of them

av3k >= cypher for sure.

maybe in strenx language

Check their record. Someone has done it on esr already and it was in favor of av3k.

then strenx is the best quakelive player ever lived, with 40 zotac wins in his pocket!!

You don't seem to understand. In they direct lan encounters av3k won more matches than cypher. Read post #126. This is common knowledge.

give sources

Tried to google it on esr but I can't. All I have is my memory (someone made direct comparison). Cba to make one myself.

did you consider quarther and semis?

direct lan encounters

you'll have to excuse me, i really dont trust your memory to pinpoint every lan game between those two

I didn't. As I said someone made a comparison on esr and this is what I remember.

what fau said.

av3k usually wins against cypher, yet he cant go past rapha

just my opinion but I think ego problems and/or mental unstability might play a large part in putting out the required effort

It's a 100 percent about deliberate practice. So, what #45 said.

does actually anyone know what lead evil to "elavate" his game the last 6months or so? I would consider him to be very good for a very long time as he seems to be around forever but well he started winning tournaments (including lan) just a couple of months ago

I am not sure, but it might be that he finally got an opportunity to travel to events (thanks to cooke), and decided to get serious.

i remember that he said during an interview, "my brain game wasnt up to par with my aim" or something along those lines

and he realized this just after 10 years of quake ? :D

idk what his process were, but i would say hes top3 in current ql =))))))))

no doubt about that

I can only redirect you to the good interview posted here a few months ago : http://www.esreality.com/post/2359454/interview-with-evil/

the crux of it here being :

How did you prepare for DreamHack Winter 2012? Did you make any changes to your cfg? What was your training routine?

I didn't change my cfg at all. But after bad results at the Adroits LAN, I decided to prepare for DH very seriously. It seemed that at Adroits, everything was okay about my game in terms of aim, but something was missing - something important! For DH, I decided to watch some old demos. I watched Polosatiy vs. uNkind and Cooller vs. Cypher from Quakecon. These games reminded me of something that I already knew, but had overlooked at Adroits. I mean, after watching these games I realized my mind-game at Adroits was not good enough compared to my aim. I also watched Rapha demos, which helped me in the grand final.

as usual, watch demos, analyze and improve

nice!
But I'm still trying to figure out how one can improve his mindset/mindgame. I mean you should never give up and focus 100% or is there some kind of mental practice ? :D

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1747280

there's also something about being a champion on ddk's youtube channel http://www.youtube.com/user/4kddk

Those links to Chance's bible are 404.

oh well...

http://www.iamgaming.com/forum/forum_posts.as...uake-bible

have already seen this

I start badly in 90% of duels that I play, but as I started to play more I don't implode when going, say, a few frags down at the start of a game like I used to.

I don't really look at elo anymore either, as it can be quite hazardous when duelling if you see someone's elo and think you should be winning, then start making mistakes and rushing them if you lose a few frags at the start.

abuse lg. yes, even more than pre-2011 strenx

Watch some of Twister's videos posted last year on Youtube. Notice how he refers to duel as a series of situations. A major part of improving is learning to adapt to these situations. A lot of people seemingly fail to understand this concept, and it's not surprising considering the general focus that gets put on improving specific aspects of your style. Most people here should have seen this video, but if not:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3mmwI6lhy8

not aim. speed

Sure, because you have aimbot to aim for you right?

that would be aim, i.e. the exact opposite of what i just wrote, i.e. you're an idiot, i.e. who's your Daddy?

zeroql

1. I'm the best already
2. I'm the best already
3. I'm the best already
4. I'm the best already
5. I'm the best already
6. I'm the best already
7. I'm the best already

Also evol, you need reaction times and mousing helps.

Tox is as fast as lightning, too bad he can't aim.

k1llsen on the otherhand can do everything.

Yeah toxic clearly a pacman who can't hit shits but reacts so fast. He's so much like agent!

1. Get a top computer
2. Get the best setup money can buy (mouse, keyboard, headsets)
3. Get/Make a good cfg pro style.
4. 24/7 that shit until you get mind retarded, play pros everyday 100 games per day till you beat them, watch demos/VODS of lan and online cups. Play in every competition you find.
5. If you do that and fail, uninstall quakelive.
6. Doubts?

yeah yeah >_<

+1on1 + 2on2 CA thunderstruck or even hells gate for the rail lulZ

It's a bit of time and determination. Unfortunately I have run out of time/too old. Also I have zero determination. Although I could probably get over 2000 elo and be really kickass with a bit of practise, I will never be top 20 material.

The amount of practise to do that though would be 3 to 4 hours a day for 6 or more months. I just don't have the time anymore, at the moment I play 3 hours a week, mostly CA.

Anyway I'm rambling, I say don't bother, play for fun.