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Watch out for angles, spam corridors where you think people may come in and rail you from. Sneak around a bit. Or try beat them at their own game.

Just work on dodging and also denying rail off of enemy spawns when you have control


I'm just lightly touching on this, I'm sure there are much deeper views on this also :)

and also congrats on your victories!

Tho rg is probably my best weapon it is just the most annoying game slowing weapon in the game. Nerf dat shit to the ground and have more fun with rox/lg and embrace the real skill in close/mid range were dodging actually matters because dodging a rg shot from someone with 50ms is like winning a lottery. Most of the time he hits u tho u are already 2km behind the wall :D. Either nerf rg or get rid of antilag o_O

tldr

Dodge his first shot and rape him all day long with lg. Dont even bother to use any other weapon. Some people then rage :L

rail is gay

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Ya, lets nerf rail - and then lets nerf RL, because youll be struggling against people who camp with it around corners. Next would be jumping, as fuckers run away when you try to shaft them.

Action games are fun, but if you cant figure out how to play against a railer (or a shaft abuser, or any other type of player), dont blame the gun, blame your head.

Maybe read again what I wrote and then comment ;).

I know how to play against rail heavy railers as I myself sometimes just rail the shit out of my opponent. Still I prefer lg or rocket fights as nothing is more pleasing than pinning someone with lg against the sealing or winning an unwinnable fight thx to three direct rockets. With railshots it is different especially when I connect with rails that just shouldn't connect because I'm not on the model. I mean getting railed although you are already on ra on aero and falling down is just bs ...
I realized that the only way to get better is to slow my whole game down. I know I am taking to many fights and I am also way to open for most of the railshots. It is just that I dislike to play the way I have to when I want to get higher. And when I see certain people at 2k elo or even agent then I start to cringe. Call it matter of preference ;)
Just take a look at the current pros. Everyone is lowering his sens because they acknowledged the power of steady hitscan aim.

Now thats a much better post.

I get your point, but duel has always been about decisions, gamestyles and finding ways to nullify your opponent's strongest points. Maybe you just adapt to your opponents too much rather than force them to play your game.

A good example is Evil. He kicks ass with rl / lg combo and tramples over rail heavy opponents on maps like t7 or silence without using rail himself. And he takes fights all the time. If such thing is possible on the top level, its possible on lower levels as well. Just know the rail angles and spam with rl / nades.
But I admit I would love to see some GOOD new maps without railgun that wont look like dm13.

evil is bad example to anything, cause this guy defies quake physics with his gameplay :-)


but yeah, i agree, with proper gameplay you can neglect railwhoring.

what zoot said: watch angles, and deny rail

I kinda have the same issue, I try to be aggressive (perhaps too aggressive at times) to try and close the distance as soon as possible on the smaller/quicker maps

if you are in strong control, being hit by a rail shot shouldn't be such a big problem
otherwise when you go aggressive, if he misses his first shot go for the frag or if he hits you can delay your offense
also, spam, spam and spam to deny easy rail angles to your opponent

dodge more, be less hittable and more aware + on some maps all you can do is vote another map :XD

get a decent lag connection. thats how the pros are doing it.
warp is better than dodge

well i don't think rail heavy players are hard tbh.. atleast the 99% of them i've faced. Only one i was really surprised was k1llsen.

Basicly what zoot said is a very good overall information of what you have to do. Most rail heavy players will play a campy style, they will try to position themselves in certain places they feel comfortable to hit 2 or 3 rails in a row, usually long range places where they have an escape root.

What you have to do is : be there first and control the fight, if you can't get there first and he's already waiting for you and you don't have the armor to do much just leave.
Play a more sneaky style when you are going thro places where you know he probably will be camping, if you trap him he will die fast.

If he misses the first rail lg him down, most players will do a very easy to hit dodge when they miss the first, they try to escape and they are predictable, which means 100%lg .. you can do it with rockets too which i like alot.. it's funnier.

If you are super stacked you can force situations where you know he will try the hit.. and you want him to try it, if he hits no worries your still stacked and you can afford it and then u do the same you did on the above situation, lg down or rocket.

Be aware ofc railers will camp items if they have time on them or if they wanna bait you to do damage, you can trap them in these situations aswell. they will be waiting for you to grab the item to hit the easy rail and u can do damage, be creative and make them pay for every easy shot they wanna take on you.

Basicly you have to play a smart and tight but agressive gamestyle vs them. Just don't get in their flow even if you get frustrated at beggining because you will be an easy prey.

I talked about k1llsen because the guy can hit you 4 rails in a row from really insane angles that you haven't even think about.. i guess he spent alot of hours understanding them :|

how about using rail yourself

Get in their head before the game starts. Point out their obesity with petty or clever jokes. The battle will be half won. Jones comes to mind.

Me? That won't work.

Heavy railer? Jokes of poor taste? America!

The railgun is what makes the game what it is.

If, however, you really don't want a railgun, play a game without one such as quakeworld :D

Or shootmania.

You have to choose situations when to be aggressive, but when to be not aggressive.

Play dm13 only or qw !

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If a player has similar skill level as you (combat, positioning, timing) with a heavier rail you simply cant overpower them, they will win more on average. Only way in that case is to improve your own rail game.

If a player has lower combat skills than you but a much better rail your primary goal will be to play the trap game, where you can engage him in close quarters with superior rl / lg. Also denying rail off spawns etc often works well though not a real solution as they will eventually get rail.

I think overall it requires lot more patience to play against good railers as you have to play the game of not exposing your pixels for long intervals and not get greedy. Also another technique I see higher level players using is doing damage between two rails. where they make a noise or peek to extract a rail out of opponent, do some damage in the period between rails and move out right before the 2nd rail, I think it takes a lot of practice to perfect this, but its very effective on many situations. Nothing brings down the confidence of a rail-heavy player like making him miss 3-4 on a row.

As a bad railer myself, I know there is nothing more frustrating than getting control back with lot of work and then facing a freshly spawned guy hitting 2 rails back to back to lose it immediately, unfortunately there is no remedy to this other than being patient and cautious.

time everything on map, then use cutoffs & lg the shit out of them.

shaffft (c) strenx_

as you get better, you won't think of duel like this.

if you want to play "smart", watch demos, rather than overanalyzing something that will quickly become subconscious

I used to struggle against rail heavy players, I managed to overcome this to a certain extent playing T4 over and over. The irony now is that I am rail heavy but my skill level with the RL and LG has improved as well.

on Aerowalk the rail is king, and if your opponent is in control you basically would have to wait until he is no longer in control and try to make sure he doesn't get the rail, or atleast he pays for it.

On toxicity do not take the red armour but defend the rail as much as you can. On dm6 you just have to be very sneaky and also try to improve your rail. On Ztn I think you should be able to counter the rail with control of the items.

Basically with each map the approach is slightly different but all the maps will assist you in developing a new skill in responding to rail heavy opponents.

These are just my views though. I'm a 1700 elo player.

Reveal yourself!

how would that contribute to the discussion?

i think being able to humble it up and ask this kind of question is what shows the difference between someone who will most likely improve in this game and the typical (which represents pretty much 90% of the gaming community) dude who thinks he knows everything, gets raped by any 5 cent player and goes on a rage and whine rampage accusing everyone of cheating.

Keep improving man and keep asking questions if you feel like, i'm sure most people will try to help with what they have.

Just to add anyways, i see some people saying it's very hard vs a good player rail heavy, and i disagree. I mean, if they are good it's always harder.. but ql rail heavy game is nothing compared to q3 100 damage rail, now that was hard if the guy was good.

In ql you can get hit by 2 rails and still be on a tank stack to rush for the kill.. in q3 you would be limping. I don't really think ql is designed for heavy rail players and that's clear by the players who own this game.

just rail back.
this is not science

Yes it is..........

callvote map q3dm13

Are you saying that people with better mouse aiming should be punished?

What

fine bit of irony in that post.

delay your spawns, watch what he is doing. You can see what direction he runs , he will wiat for you to spawn, usually only as long as it takes for an instant spawn. Delay and he will not get to spawn rail you.

If he's that heavy... you should have no problem moving around him.

1v1 dm17 instagib.

Its my secret to improving your rail.

wouldn't it be better to play 1v1 instagib on mappool duel maps?

It would defeat the purpose of playing on maps with walls, the point is to be out in the open. Improving your reaction time and accuracy is the goal here.

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