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<< Comment #1 @ 08:20 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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dem0n

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I'm so glad you did not drop hektik for toxicity, though I liked silence and was definetly not a map I used to drop, unlike toxicity for that matter !

Edited by dem0n at 08:21 CDT, 11 April 2013

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<< Comment #2 @ 08:24 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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Fraze

couldnt have put tox back while i was there? :P good its back...but dm6 was the map to drop and not silence, silence is a way forward for quake, dm6 is a way backwards.

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<< Comment #3 @ 08:32 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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roychez - Reply to #2

Let's hope it will get changed so we can put it back in!

<< Comment #7 @ 08:53 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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Fraze - Reply to #3

the colors? oo thats good :D

<< Comment #10 @ 09:12 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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roychez - Reply to #7

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=35507...amp;type=1

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<< Comment #15 @ 09:18 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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Fraze - Reply to #10

hehehe <3

<< Comment #188 @ 05:31 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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quakelessons - Reply to #3

My version of new colors:

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http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/4802/94179859.jpg

<< Comment #193 @ 07:32 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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ins - Reply to #188

OMG ITS TRUE I CANT EVEN SEE THE GREEN GUY IN THE 2ND PICTURE WTF!

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quakelessons - Reply to #193

good advertisement requires some tricks =)

<< Comment #9 @ 09:10 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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atomigo - Reply to #2

I don't understand why dm6 should still be in a modern mappool. But since it is, I have a very good excuse not to play these cups.

I forgot to mention something:

According to www.quakehistory.com some stats:

Faceit season finale: dm6 - 2 times played, silence 1 times played hektik 3 times played
Faceit sunday cup 26: dm6 - 6:7 - silence, hektik 7
Faceit sunday cup 25: dm6 - 11:6 - silence, hektik 6
Faceit sunday cup 24: dm6 - 11:11 - silence, hektik 9
Faceit sunday cup 23: dm6 - 17:6 - silence, hektik 7
Faceit sunday cup 22: dm6 - 11:6 - silence, hektik 5
Faceit sunday cup 21: dm6 - 13:8 - silence, hektik 10
Faceit sunday cup 20: dm6 - 9:5 - silence, hektik 8
Faceit sunday cup 19: dm6 - 4:11 - silence, hektik 5
Faceit sunday cup 18: dm6 - 15:10 - silence, hektik 6

Average (26-18): dm6 10.7, silence 7.7, hektik 7

Total Picks: ZTN/T7: 169, Aero 149, DM6, 97, DM13 86, Silence 70, Hektik 63

And to all those who claim silence is a too fast map here the average frags per map:

Aero: 29.7, Hektik 27.3, Silence 19.2, DM6 18,2, ZTN 16,5, T7 15.6, DM13 15.0

Edited by atomigo at 09:45 CDT, 11 April 2013

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<< Comment #11 @ 09:13 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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roychez - Reply to #9

Because now that people are used to it again it has been giving us a lot of great games.

<< Comment #14 @ 09:17 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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kevz - Reply to #11

implying you cannot ever get good games on new maps

:D

<< Comment #17 @ 09:19 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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roychez - Reply to #14

Not at all. We keep Hektik in because it has given us a lot of good games. So did Silence, but people have been complaining about the color, so we hope this way we can contribute in getting it fixed.

<< Comment #81 @ 15:24 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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B4ZE - Reply to #17

But you don't realise ztn and dm6 have been there since 13 years. Right now when i see ztn or dm6 games i fall asleep almost immediatly. :/

Also speaking about Silence, colors are part of the map style and i realy like it. And a lot of other people like the green atmosphere i think.

Edited by B4ZE at 15:26 CDT, 11 April 2013

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<< Comment #82 @ 15:27 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #81

funneh, aerowalk is even older, and noone whines about it

<< Comment #90 @ 15:48 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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ins - Reply to #82

i do :<

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<< Comment #91 @ 15:56 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #90

know the feel broski

<< Comment #92 @ 16:44 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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B4ZE - Reply to #82

aero older than ztn?

<< Comment #95 @ 16:59 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #92

both are around the same time anyway: Older than q2.

<< Comment #137 @ 10:14 CDT, 12 April 2013 >>

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zealot - Reply to #92

aerowalk is the most popular custom map in qw and part of the main 5 maps. ztn is only more popular in russia and with the q3/ql crowd :p

iirc ztn released two of his maps for quake3 a bit earlier than hubster did the aero remix, but in the end both maps have been played endlessly in the past.

<< Comment #16 @ 09:19 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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kK_Storm - Reply to #9

7 fucking maps in the mappool and only because there is one single map you don't like so much (heard about DROPPING?) you find it as fitting excuse? Pathetic.

<< Comment #18 @ 09:21 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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kevz - Reply to #16

7 fucking maps in the mappool and most of them are still old as fuck, ever heard of ADDING new maps?

it goes both ways.

@roychez, i understand the reasoning, but knowing idsoft this isnt enough of a reason. If they cared it woulda been pink months ago instead o green.

<< Comment #21 @ 09:25 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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roychez - Reply to #18

We have given the chance in our daily cups, both Sinister and Battleforged were part of them for a long time. Both were the least played maps.

<< Comment #26 @ 09:38 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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kevz - Reply to #21

with battleforged i can understand it, for everything else, its because russians are ztn addicts. sometimes ya just gotta force the addicts to change the game ;D

i feel this is a neverending discussion. veterans are scared of new maps, new players get fed up playing old maps. not much more to it i guess.

<< Comment #58 @ 12:07 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #26

no, your wrong, read esreality more.

old maps are still played, because its fucking hard to make a good duel map.

but if good new map appears, oldschool players will rox on them in no time

<< Comment #60 @ 12:10 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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kevz - Reply to #58

geez, what is it with you eastern europeans? :p

<< Comment #61 @ 12:11 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #60

we poor :<

<< Comment #148 @ 14:04 CDT, 12 April 2013 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #21

Well, it took more than a year of shoving t7 in player's faces in every tournament until people even began to accept it not as a joke. And now it is almost universally considered as one of the best maps.
Which means that even best players need hundreds of games to judge a map properly.

Edited by p4r4 at 14:05 CDT, 12 April 2013

<< Comment #28 @ 09:47 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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atomigo - Reply to #16

I heard of dropping: but I will never reach the "pick-phase" so I will always have to drop. and since there are 4 maps, which I don't enjoy playing in the pool (including dm 6 in first place) and only 3 I enjoy playing, I usually end up playing a map I don't like. I don't say that im "bad" on those maps. I just don't like them.

And to roychez: What was wrong with the game of dem0n against agent on silence? that game was awesome to watch.

<< Comment #29 @ 09:50 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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roychez - Reply to #28

In a previous comment I said Silence has given us great games. My reasoning isn't with that.

<< Comment #31 @ 09:53 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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atomigo - Reply to #29

read it. So you dropped it because the map is green?

this is funny as hell.

<< Comment #34 @ 09:55 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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roychez - Reply to #31

Because players asked for a change in color, as well as it being at the bottom polls.

Giving good games or not isn't really that much of a criteria of being in or out the pool. There have been great games on most maps, but we can't add all of them.

There will always be people who don't like the map selection. If we removed DM6 we'd probably get more comments (judging from the polls). It might suck for you this way, but we can't please everyone unfortunately :(

Edited by roychez at 09:57 CDT, 11 April 2013

<< Comment #36 @ 09:59 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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atomigo - Reply to #34

So there were polls and silence was on the bottom of it. Ok. I analyzed 9 faceit sunday cups and hektik was LESS played than silence. How many cups were in the winter season? I don't remember. Maybe I should add all of them and see if the stats change.
But how many times a map is probably more reliable than polls.

I also would love to do these kind of stats with data only on bo1 matches. And also look stage by stage which maps are the most played, which could say more than just this. But I dont have the data.
Anyway.
You are doing a fine job roychez. I'm not complaining about that. I just don't like this decision at all. Besides that I have nothing (major) to complain about regarding faceit.
Cheers mate

<< Comment #40 @ 10:02 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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roychez - Reply to #36

You've only proven that Silence is at the bottom two of the least played maps.. Add that to the point of a lot of players requesting it to have the color change I think it is a good decision.

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<< Comment #43 @ 10:04 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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atomigo - Reply to #40

If you thought I was a bad decision it would be wierd....

<< Comment #181 @ 18:54 CDT, 13 April 2013 >>

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cha0z_ - Reply to #40

Hard for stream viewers to see enemy model sometimes too!

<< Comment #35 @ 09:57 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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ins - Reply to #31

So you wanna play cups but you only maps you like?

this is funny as hell.

<< Comment #37 @ 10:00 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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atomigo - Reply to #35

So you can't read ;D ok.. proven

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ins - Reply to #37

we have something in common!

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atomigo - Reply to #39

Ye maybe. But its defenetly not how tall we are.

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ins - Reply to #41

or our penises size

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atomigo - Reply to #42

probably true, but im not eager to find that out

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<< Comment #47 @ 10:38 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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ins - Reply to #44

but :(

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<< Comment #32 @ 09:54 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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ScanX - Reply to #9

you'll be missed...

<< Comment #33 @ 09:55 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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atomigo - Reply to #32

I know that I won't be missed. Don't fool yourself into thinking that. I'm just stating what I think.

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ScanX - Reply to #33

you don't play a cup cause you dont like 1 map in the pool, get real man....we cant feel sorry for you

<< Comment #62 @ 12:12 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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atomigo - Reply to #54

Read above. I don't like 4 maps in the pool. If dm6 was replaced with silence i'd enjoy playing 4 (not equal beeing good at). Which would make the cup far more enjoyable for me since I could for sure play one of them since I can vote out 3.
And I won't even start about how bad I think dm6 is as a map.

And I never asked for pity. Get real yourself.

Edited by atomigo at 12:13 CDT, 11 April 2013

<< Comment #80 @ 15:00 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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Anonymous (194.8.62.126) - Reply to #9

>> I don't understand why dm6 should still be in a modern mappool.

YOUR OWN statistics show that it is picked more than other maps (DM13, Silence, Hektik).

<< Comment #123 @ 08:44 CDT, 12 April 2013 >>

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atomigo - Reply to #80

MY OWN statistics are JUST statistics. If they said something else I would be flamed hard. Anyway.
Yes the statistics are a reason why it should be included in a modern mappool. But from a argumentative perspective, leaving out its popularity, I don't see a single reason.

p.s. there is a saying which translates more or less like this:"those who don't have a face, don't have an oppinion" or who posts with "anonymous" can't be taken seriously.
cheers mate

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FlashSoul - Reply to #123

p.s. there is a saying which translates more or less like this:"those who don't have a face, don't have an oppinion" or who posts with "anonymous" can't be taken seriously.

I really dislike that idea. Anonymous shouldn't have an opinion? On the contrary, it's better when an opinion isn't associated with an author who may be liked or disliked ("contaminating" the judgment of the opinion).

<< Comment #162 @ 02:26 CDT, 13 April 2013 >>

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Anonymous (83.77.134.18) - Reply to #138

I'm just making a point.
Try to argue with someone who is anonymous! You can't because you can't be sure who is answering?
Depending on the context, beeing anonymouse is a good thing. In a democracy there should not be any reason why you should not be able to state your opinion openly. I'm not talking about russia etc. where you just get in prison by doing this.

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FlashSoul - Reply to #162

Try to argue with someone who is anonymous! You can't because you can't be sure who is answering?

I've argued with anonymous posters plenty. Why would not knowing who is answering be a problem? It just makes you focus on the arguments rather than the person.

<< Comment #186 @ 05:13 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #162

What the fuck did I just read? You get imprisoned in Russia for saying your opinion?! Maybe if you provoke the government in a very aggressive and vulgar way, yes you will get imprisoned but that's not what saying your opinion is about.

<< Comment #4 @ 08:34 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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sofiene

cool stuff ! may join every now and then, but camprounds ? :/ i'd rather see silence to be honest

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<< Comment #5 @ 08:35 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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-plaZma-

I'd much rather see Silence than dm6, but I'm actually blind on Silence because I play with white and green models. Impossible. People are wearing camo.

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<< Comment #6 @ 08:50 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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cha0z_ - Reply to #6

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<< Comment #8 @ 09:10 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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baksteen

Silence out is a fuck up imo. Feels now that learning new maps is not rewarding, but just a waste of time. Theres nothing wrong with Silence, just cant understand why u remove it and stick with ancient maps like dm6..

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<< Comment #12 @ 09:13 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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roychez - Reply to #8

Lets hope city and the guys can work on a different color of the map, and id Software will allow it so we can put it back in!

<< Comment #24 @ 09:35 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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Fraze - Reply to #8

do u think ztn and dm13 should be removed for being ancient also or just dm6

<< Comment #38 @ 10:00 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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sonigo - Reply to #24

imo yes... even though I think ztn or dm13 are good maps in their ways, if you are overwhelmed by a map- change every decade, you're simply not a good duel player.
Pro players should be role models and start playing new maps, showing us that their skill isn't only based on repetition, playing the same map for 10 years.

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<< Comment #68 @ 13:12 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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baksteen - Reply to #24

Let's start with dm6 as it's the oldest map in the pool atm. As more good new maps will be released, I think ztn and dm13 are the first ones that should get removed.

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hitsu - Reply to #68

no matter what maps will be dropped, it wont make you win against top

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<< Comment #157 @ 23:11 CDT, 12 April 2013 >>

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Fraze - Reply to #77

nah get rid of dm6, and fraze is already gone = insta win ;))

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<< Comment #128 @ 09:25 CDT, 12 April 2013 >>

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ins - Reply to #68

aren't ztn and aero older?

<< Comment #45 @ 10:07 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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atomigo - Reply to #8

It's completly logic. Just keep the mappool like it was 10 years ago so all the old players don't need to learn something new.

<< Comment #55 @ 12:02 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #8

would you trade silence for dm13? Thought so.

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atomigo - Reply to #55

I would

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<< Comment #69 @ 13:13 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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baksteen - Reply to #55

I would, but why bother, when there's an older and less balanced map than dm13 that we can remove?

Edited by baksteen at 13:13 CDT, 11 April 2013

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<< Comment #13 @ 09:16 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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maza

could use some -dm6, decent pool otherwise!

<< Comment #19 @ 09:23 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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Fargold

Removing Silence is the wrong decision and the reason is stupid in my opinion, because if you dont see the enemy you can simply change the color of the model. You could argue the same way that people who use the color of a different map they cant see the model.

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<< Comment #20 @ 09:24 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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roychez - Reply to #19

Why would we ask of people to change the model they are used to, and the color which has shown most effective?

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Fargold - Reply to #20

Why would you ask people to change the color of a map, when the map had this color all the time (since the release) and the players are used to the color and some seem to like the map.

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<< Comment #23 @ 09:30 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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roychez - Reply to #22

Because it improves it. To your second point (some seem to like it), it was bottom of most polls that were done in several places.

Edited by roychez at 09:31 CDT, 11 April 2013

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HustLah - Reply to #23

..."several places"

where

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Fargold - Reply to #23

It may improve it, but my suggestion also improves it. I think it is the wrong way to do this, because i think they would have done it already. Maybe I'm wrong (I hope so).

To the second point, the problem is that it is/was the newest map by a big margin and most people doesn't want to learn new maps and with this decision you encourage them.

Note: This is my opinion to it and I can understand why you do this and I like what you are doing (with some exception concerning maps)

<< Comment #27 @ 09:39 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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fau - Reply to #22

Most casual duelers (viewers) cba to switch the enemycolor every map and therefore don't play silence. Ofc for someone playing in tournaments it's not a problem.

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optimizer - Reply to #20

so everyone uses green enemy-models?!

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #143

Nope, white and yellow from time to time.

<< Comment #25 @ 09:37 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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maza

and btw don't take this feedback as we being ungrateful, that's not it, just there's nothing else to criticize with u guys =)!

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<< Comment #30 @ 09:51 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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roychez - Reply to #25

=)

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<< Comment #49 @ 11:06 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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Anonymous (80.250.160.88)

A very good and fair mappool. dm6 should be in always (just like the other oldskool maps) because it gives awesome matches alltimes.

If you take effort in learning new map - why don't you take effort in learning what has been proven the best? You do not throw out Quantum mechanics from a textbook in favor of some fancy Ether theory or smth (you just check those new theories for fun and analytical approval/disapproval;)).

The oldskool golden mappool consists of tactics-heavy perfectly balanced arenas (even t4 is much more tactical than hek and somewhat similar in that matter to tox), besides - any old arena is given a new birth after 6 to 12 months of not including it into competitions.

Seeing how newblood is kicking so much ass on the oldskool arenas lately, even on ztn, even against Russians - I just don't understand why there's so much whine like "they'll kick our pink asses here, Roy, remove it plz, Roy". Whiners r gonna whine, but it won't help them no matter what map they play. FUCK whiny bitches.

You better get hardcore, oil your rockets, cells and uranium slugs, contenders, as we have an epic QL season to fill with blood, Gorre and gibs extravaganza:).

<< Comment #50 @ 11:27 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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Splashhh

Quake3
2000 - dm13 dm6 ztn t4 t2 hubt1
2001 - pro-t2 pro-t4 (t4 out)
2002 - osp8 (pro-t2)
2003 - pt7=t6 (osp8 out)
2004 - aero

Quake4 2006 2007

QuakeLive
2008 - t7 t9
2009 - trinity (t6 out)
2010 - bf (trinity & t9 out)
2011 - hektik toxi (bf out)
2012 - (hektik out)
2013 - silence sinister

Some maps are out forever, some maps is constant, some maps comeback =.)

There are a lot of good maps: dm13 dm6 ztn pt4 t2 hub3t1 aero t7 t9 bf silence sinister hektik toxicity (osp8 t6 trinity)
So I suggest to randomly choose 7 maps for season on first cup of it)
i think It will be great show !

Edited by effeffeff100 at 10:44 CDT, 14 April 2013

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atomigo - Reply to #50

you forgot hektik

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FlashSoul - Reply to #50

2013?

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Fulgore - Reply to #50

Wasn't Tox a q3 map?
I remember people saying K1llsen was great on it back in the day.

Edited by Fulgore at 17:55 CDT, 12 April 2013

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hitsu - Reply to #151

yes, tox is cpm map

<< Comment #51 @ 11:41 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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HippY

What about -dm6 and +sinister?

They are pretty similar in many ways and the sinister cups brought some great games to watch (and play for that matter...)

Also, like has been said here already, it gives another new map a chance in the map pool, which SHOULD be happening anyway with a 7 maps to choose from.

<< Comment #52 @ 11:48 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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roychez - Reply to #51

With new maps like Sinister we go through the process of adding them to the Daily Cups first to see if it's successful or not.

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HippY - Reply to #52

The only issue there is people only pick and eliminate maps to counter the person they are playing, and because not many people have played Sinister enough times to have an advantage over someone, it doesn't get picked.

The only reason nobody has played it enough to have an advantage on Sinister and other unplayed maps is because they haven't been forced in to the map pool.

Nobody likes change, it's human nature. But for how many more years do we have to see dm6? :P

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atomigo - Reply to #66

It's time for a change... ;D

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BalkanFM - Reply to #52

thats a failed system... lower tiered players want to play what the pros play. its been this way since the begining. ive been very glad that faceit seemingly introduced a new way to progress the game, and that was in my eyes the repeating seasons that would finaly force players to play new maps and get used to new maps each season.

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roychez - Reply to #126

The Daily cups aren't only for the lower tiered players. Level 8 and 10 are players who end up high in the Sunday Cups.

<< Comment #53 @ 11:52 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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SyncError

Silence > Campgrounds, the color argument is contrived and overstated. In practice the map works great, polls well, and is considered a tournament quality map by players and spectators.

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<< Comment #56 @ 12:04 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #53

According to roychez players themselves decided to keep it out of faceit because of the color scheme.

Campgrounds is back because players themselves decided that. Some years ago the same happened with ztn, with very positive results.

Edited by megaman3 at 12:05 CDT, 11 April 2013

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B4ZE - Reply to #56

I wonder which players complained about the colors of this map.

Edited by B4ZE at 15:36 CDT, 11 April 2013

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atomigo - Reply to #53

I just think people don't have good configs. Even I do have a green torso as enemy model and I have no problem spotting it with my config.

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<< Comment #154 @ 19:29 CDT, 12 April 2013 >>

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faerie_ - Reply to #65

Vertexlight 1, the ugly and pretty much useless cvar people won't let go.

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fau - Reply to #154

yeah, vertexlight 2 is so much better.

<< Comment #75 @ 13:49 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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sirax - Reply to #53

Agree..

Silence is a far choice map than campgrounds.

New maps give top players the ability to create new moves, new attacks and new traps. Those are the things that make games exciting and those novelties are missing in old maps.

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<< Comment #189 @ 05:45 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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extone - Reply to #53

make your own weekly cup or at least provide price money for cup where will be both silence and sinister!

<< Comment #57 @ 12:05 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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megaman3

Gioacchino Norris.

<< Comment #59 @ 12:08 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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hitsu

hektik

huehuehuehue

<< Comment #70 @ 13:13 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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cityy

Sad to see Silence go but if that's what people agree on because of the color I'm fine with it.
It'd be nice to see Faceit host a daily cup once a month with a more unusual map pool (i.e. Sinister, Silence, t2, Phrantic) to allow people to keep discovering the maps and bring play on them to a new level.

Silence is not my only duel map and I can assure you that none of my other ones use overly green textures. I'm looking forward to getting those playtested in QL.

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<< Comment #71 @ 13:30 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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HippY - Reply to #70

+1 to that.

I always enjoy watching new maps, and TargetQuake have often promoted the new maps with a cup every once in a while which is always nice. Something similar from FACEIT would be superb!

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cityy - Reply to #71

I think it's not a bad idea to keep playing those maps. I.E. after the Sinister cup people decided they don't like the map although even the top players still made so many positioning mistakes on it.
Once akm and yellack look into rethinking the initial spawns I could see gameplay on the map evolving.

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HippY - Reply to #72

Personally after playing the SInister I decided I loved the map!

As you said, the only real issues are regarding spawns, mainly in the RA room, you are just too exposed without any way out if you get the 25hp bubble spawn, but it wouldn't take much work to get the map into a good standard for competition.

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GUArd - Reply to #70

sad?
only reason silence go is mapcolor, change it and it will go back.
I know it's difficult with ID, but we can hope.
Silence is SO SO map, it wont be legend, bet it's fits in current mappool.

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cityy - Reply to #105

We've been through it and it's most likely not going to happen.
I've experimented with some colors and nothing I tried was satisfying to neither me nor SyncError (for example: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15072710/...ot0000.jpg).

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<< Comment #111 @ 03:26 CDT, 12 April 2013 >>

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generic nickname - Reply to #110

how about a blueish hue like aerowalk/dismemberment ? does it bother you because it's the theme of hub's maps ?

I think it would fit but it might lose some of its personality

is the answer in the question ?

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cityy - Reply to #111

I've tried it and it looks not as good as on hub simply because of the map's texturing which differs. Generally, I think I could make other colors work but I'd need to retexture most of the map. I've tried blue, darker/brownish green, orange, purple (yes seriously) and even black. Nothing really made me happy.

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generic nickname - Reply to #112

well fuck them then, your map is good

Edited by generic nickname at 05:30 CDT, 12 April 2013

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Anonymous (220.233.100.60) - Reply to #112

Of course other colours would work - there are other maps with coours that work, thus another colour could work on silence.

The image you linked looks fine. Not as good as green but perfectly fine. You as a mapper should take the player input and adjust the map accordingly.

Or, just retexture it. Noone plays with textures on in a meaningful way ..

Fucking sad if the reason it is not played because it is green. If that turns out to be the reason then you have failed.

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ins - Reply to #110

I LIKE THIS ONE!!!!

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<< Comment #133 @ 09:37 CDT, 12 April 2013 >>

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Frannatic - Reply to #110

i like it aswell, but i dont have a problem with the current color. i use myself green enemymodel and dont have problems to see the enemy. its not like the whole maps is green, just a few spots

<< Comment #153 @ 18:51 CDT, 12 April 2013 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #110

This makes silence look like a decent map.

I'd actually play it if it looked like that.

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<< Comment #183 @ 19:26 CDT, 13 April 2013 >>

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cha0z_ - Reply to #110

Looks good.

<< Comment #73 @ 13:44 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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smari

Good mappool, dm6 is a classic and still delivers great games.

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<< Comment #76 @ 13:53 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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lukee

finally a map pool that swings back into my favour :)

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ins - Reply to #76

now u'll finally be able to beat 1500 elo players!

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lukee - Reply to #79

:D fuck you

<< Comment #83 @ 15:33 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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B4ZE

What about Sinister?

<< Comment #84 @ 15:35 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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Venser

I like Silence as it is. Why do they need to change the map color? Just change enemy color

bind LEFTARROW "cg_enemyHeadcolor 0x00ff00ff; cg_enemyUppercolor 0x00ff00ff; cg_enemyLowercolor 0x00ff00ff"
bind RIGHTARROW "cg_enemyHeadcolor 0xFFFFFFFF; cg_enemyUppercolor 0xFFFFFFFF; cg_enemyLowercolor 0xFFFFFFFF"

That purple version of silence looked gay as fuck, replacing toxic waste with unicorn cum

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<< Comment #216 @ 10:23 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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DamianLillard - Reply to #84

that's a great config if u also bind movement to arrows

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Venser - Reply to #216

Yeah, that would be like Das Ulbe 2013

<< Comment #86 @ 15:36 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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PURRI

Thanks for new season, will be nice :)
I can only agree with some here as well, please re-consider adding silence. It's a great new map! :)

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<< Comment #88 @ 15:45 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #86

Better than any of the map pool?

Better than q2dm1? Better than militia?

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PURRI - Reply to #88

Since I asked them to re-consider, then yes, I think it's better than every map part from T7 in the current map pool. T7 has become very accepted and also therefore played, so more people have a higher awareness on this map. Therefore it's currently better in my opinion. Silence is a more fun map to play though :)

If all these maps were released at the same time and we all were new to the maps, then I would have to come up with another answer. But just taking the fact that some of the maps we currently use have been used since the beginning of Quake 3 (not even Quake Live :), then I would use Silence above dm6,dm13,ztn and aerowalk everytime. The map is great and most people don't even know it yet!

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<< Comment #87 @ 15:45 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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kk-super_koziol.pl

I gotta agree. If we didn't have any new good maps bringing dm6 back would be an option to consider, but although dm6 was producing some great games so did the silence. I think there is a need for change of mentality. Let's not be hasty to throw out the old maps, but let's not go 14 years backwards right after making a decent step forwards which i think adding silence was. Let's do ourselves a favour here.

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<< Comment #93 @ 16:45 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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HippY

HippY's Spring Season target = 2 points :D

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<< Comment #94 @ 16:50 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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Anonymous (66.87.94.168)

I love quake and the classic maps.. but 10+ years of the same maps in tournies?

there has to be some step forward. why is making a good duel map so hard? its almost comical revisiting the scene and seeing maps from quake 1 still played on the 5th quake game almost 20 years later. of course this proves how great the maps are but come onnnn.

id personally like to see "sinister" from ut3 remade. so-so game but that was uts closest map to ztn imo.

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Anonymous (66.87.94.168)

edit "sentinal" from ut3.. very ztnish map

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FlashSoul

cityy, why didn't you create Silence 13 years ago?

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<< Comment #99 @ 17:41 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #98

If silence were made 13 years ago, would it be more beloved than ztn, aerowalk and dm6? I don't think so.

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Anonymous (220.233.100.60) - Reply to #99

That would mean silence was out of the box.

Yes I think it would have been popular, take a look at what q3 shipped with..

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cityy - Reply to #98

I was 5yo back then mate.

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FlashSoul - Reply to #100

That's no excuse. Now go sit in the corner for ten minutes, young man.

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sulit

extend the map pool to 9. 2 more maps cant hurt =)

toxicity
aerowalk
lost world
furious heights
bloodrun
campgrounds
silence
hektik
sinister

most of the maps are already played/known except for sinister. i think it can work. these maps with the exception of sinister are in most of any league map pool anyway ya hurd

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hitsu - Reply to #102

expanding a mappool is stupid.

i still dont know why there are 7 maps in the mappool, when 5[ztn t7 dm13 aero tox] would be enough and would provide perfect balance between slow and fast map

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FlashSoul - Reply to #106

Maybe we could alternate each week between a "old school" 5 maps pool and a "newish" 5 maps pool.

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hitsu - Reply to #107

why do people perceive maps as old/new, instead of good/bad?

it doesnt matter if the map is old or new, i want quality games, both as a player and spectator. no good map was created in last few years, mostly due to non existant options of sharing such map with others.

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FlashSoul - Reply to #113

Instead of good/bad? On the contrary, everyone has its opinion on which maps are good or bad. I don't know why it's not discussed as often; it might be because it's very subjective. But it doesn't take away the facts that :
1. Maps have an age.
2. This age has an influence on how long the map has been played and viewed.
3. This "how long" has an influence on the skills of the players (on this map) and the excitement factor of both players and spectators.
4. Many people are of the opinion that choosing a map which gives everyone a fresh start boosts the chances of newer players and that it's good to do so for the health of the community.
5. Many people get bored of playing or seeing the same few maps over and over again.

This is why age matters on top of if the map is good or bad. I may add that your final statement is an opinion ("no good map was created in last few years") I do not share.

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hitsu - Reply to #139

1. quake has age aswell.
2. this age has an influence on how long the game was played and viewed
3. this "how long" has an influence on the skills of the players (in this game) and the excitement factor of both players and spectators
5. many people got bored of playing or seeing the same game over and over

4. no. it doesnt work that way. cooller needs 10 matches to know how to play a map, while [insert random semi pro here] will need 100 matches. remind me who was in the final of sinister duel cup? surely some new faces.

theres lot of factors deciding if map is good or bad, thats why its so hard to make decent new duel map

Edited by hitsu at 11:21 CDT, 12 April 2013

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FlashSoul - Reply to #140

What you say about Quake there is true and it definitely has an influence on its decline on the professional scene. I also remember 2GD stating that he doesn't want Reborn to be too much like Quake as he doesn't want Quake players to have an incredible advantage from the start.

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hitsu - Reply to #142

quakers will have advantage anyway.

atm quake is the only duel game. players will just have to transit into new mechanics, as they have other skills

Edited by hitsu at 04:50 CDT, 13 April 2013

<< Comment #103 @ 20:55 CDT, 11 April 2013 >>

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B4ZE

Actualy just read the title as FACEIT POTAT Spring Season starts :>

<< Comment #109 @ 02:35 CDT, 12 April 2013 >>

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Am I the only one who doesn't give two shits about the mappool, just wanna see great games played?

I think all maps are awesome: dm6, dm13, ztn, aero, tox, hektik, silence, sinister, t4, t7, t9, battleforged, dismemberment. I like the fact FACEIT changes the pool every season, and we also have 125fps, Corsair, and one-off cups, each with a slightly different mappool.

I wouldn't make a big deal about Silence being out for spring. It's still there in 125fps, and might be back for the summer season in FACEIT as well.

Edited by 24 at 02:37 CDT, 12 April 2013

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PURRI - Reply to #109

Your way of view is nice of course and I agree to some extent and this is the main thing. All of these maps are great and have been proven to be for many years. This is at least not my argument and I still enjoy to play them from time to time.

However, if you always use the same maps in particular old maps that have been played a +thousand times each / player, then the scene becomes very stagnant and the above average+pro players will not really have anything new to train for. When new maps arrive that are good and then also used in tournaments? Then at least I personally feel more motivated to play and try the new maps. Gives me a reason to play.

Not to mention new players... How are they going to have an motivating chance to play these maps against players who have been either played them a few thousand times or for countless years. Of course you will now point out a few exceptions that are 'new' to the scene, but it's for sure not a motivating fact for a new player to think that he has to catch up on +8-10 years of experience within any reasonable amount of time. New maps makes things more interesting for new blood as well.

If you announce a tournament with that includes dm6,ztn,dm13,aerowalk... then I personally have no reason or motivation to start 'training' these maps @ 2013 :)

Not sure if my explination makes sense, but at least it's partly how I see it.

Edited by PURRI at 03:44 CDT, 12 April 2013

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<< Comment #119 @ 05:33 CDT, 12 April 2013 >>

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cerno - Reply to #114

Very true. Listen to this man, he is one of the most experienced duellers out there.

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kk-super_koziol.pl - Reply to #119

never heard of him

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kevz - Reply to #114

ye this is pretty much what ive been saying for ages. glad u made ur post tho, people might listen to someone with consistantly good insight :P

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<< Comment #115 @ 03:51 CDT, 12 April 2013 >>

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Kapiter - Reply to #109

Used to love watching duels on t9, I really miss it.

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<< Comment #117 @ 05:28 CDT, 12 April 2013 >>

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CENEk - Reply to #109

13 maps mappool! Now I'm not a good player but I actually like all of the maps you mentioned and I think it's a shame to desperately hold on to just five maps (and the same as well) for every tournament.

Totally agree with you :)

<< Comment #116 @ 05:19 CDT, 12 April 2013 >>

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Anonymous (84.37.111.199)

I think FACEIT do a really good job but excluding silence is really shit. Silence is currently one of the best maps and talking about graphics as excuse is ridiculous. I use green enemy model and it's not at all a problem tbh....
Maybe FACEIT don't want a change on the map pool to make sure that top players still playing the cups. I mean, as top players like cypher or cooller aren't training new maps, by dropping dm6 or ztn it will change everythink for them. Can they still win with a disadvantage map pool (for once) ? I'm curious and not sure at all.
It's boring to follow the same maps since more than 10 years, I think a change of some maps are really useful to still make QL interesting to watch and play.
Guismo.

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<< Comment #121 @ 06:51 CDT, 12 April 2013 >>

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dem0n

The green color never bothered me, I use enemy green model on keel !

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<< Comment #122 @ 07:10 CDT, 12 April 2013 >>

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Infuscomus

I use green / white keels and have no problem to see the enemy on Silence (that doesn't mean I see it as easily as on ZTN for example).

Can someone bring a screenshot where the visibility is really bad ?

<< Comment #125 @ 09:09 CDT, 12 April 2013 >>

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rzd^

What about putting t9 back on mappol? I mean, it's been out for 2 years so why don't give it a chance to come back as one of the most played map? I'd really prefer to drop out dm6/ztn/dm13 and put back t9 and even let silence remain on mappol, I'd even try out to add battleforged and dismemberment cause they weren't bad at all....

<< Comment #132 @ 09:28 CDT, 12 April 2013 >>

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roychez - Reply to #125

We can try all this in the Daily Cups, but being stuck to a map which might not work for an entire season is something we'd rather not do.

<< Comment #191 @ 07:17 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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ipx! - Reply to #125

[+] Error: The target user can't receive judgements

Would love to see more pro games on T9, it was awesome to watch. Plusses go here!

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ins - Reply to #125

wtf mattia ur talking english.

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Lave - Reply to #125

thats the thing that really puzzles me

most viewers considered t9 to be fun to watch + it had some very interesting style with its 3way teleporters and 3 yellows. sure it was a spamfest sometimes but it was still very unique and still worked well in duel.

defo the "has not made it" map that should still be there

<< Comment #124 @ 08:51 CDT, 12 April 2013 >>

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nicerdicer

Memento!!!

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<< Comment #146 @ 13:27 CDT, 12 April 2013 >>

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blau - Reply to #124

who cares for Memento, when you instead have the rare opportunity to discuss the map pool!

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roychez - Reply to #146

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<< Comment #131 @ 09:28 CDT, 12 April 2013 >>

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Frannatic

fuck those old maps, no offense, but they are so boring to watch. i've probably played and watched those maps probably over 600 times for each map, theres just no excitement anymore when i watch stream or even play it for myself, its just rutine in my opinion. with new maps like sinister, silence, maybe even battleforged or windsong keep, it might be way more exciting to watch the streams . ppl just dont agree with it, because they are afraid they suck on new maps or are to lazy to learn new maps.

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megaman3 - Reply to #131

Every single sinister match I've watched was horrible.
Battleforged is boring.
Windwhat.
Silence has color problems, thus removed by players. May come back though since lots complain about the removal.

Ztn is a must have.
Aerowalk too.
Everyone loves t7. That means there's space for only 2 maps on a bo5. Is silence really better than the other like 10 alternatives?

Edited by megaman3 at 09:50 CDT, 12 April 2013

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hitsu - Reply to #134

better than hektik :D

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<< Comment #147 @ 13:45 CDT, 12 April 2013 >>

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johnny83 - Reply to #134

Sinister is shit map this is true. But map pool can be like: Silence, Toxicity, Furious Heights, Hektik, Dismemberment

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function9 - Reply to #134

Lol, I remember that sinister tourney. First time people used the stream chat seriously and the discussion turned out to be better/more entertaining than the games.

It's just too damn big/open, especially at RA. 10 min of two guys spamming rockets halfway across the map at every entrance and peek railing.

Edited by function9 at 04:44 CDT, 13 April 2013

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Infuscomus

What about Concrete Palace ? Last DH Summer I interviewed rapha and he said the map cool be pretty good if some changes were made. I don't know if anything has been done about it.

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sulit - Reply to #135

all they did was switch green and yellow armor. no one has really touched it since i think

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hitsu - Reply to #135

i know im not the one to criticise rapha, but cp is a fucking maze... games there would be slower than dm13

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Anonymous (93.86.38.10)

Why don't you put T4 in the pool? There were many great matches on that map and it is always fun to watch.

Yes, it is old map but i has been left out for years.

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Anonymous (93.86.38.10) - Reply to #141

*it has

<< Comment #152 @ 18:03 CDT, 12 April 2013 >>

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Fulgore

Poor Faceit, it's not their fault id doesn't make great new maps.

People who think changing every old map is a good idea just because it's old can't expect the map pool to be new & fresh in a game where hardly any new maps get released that are worth even trying to duel on.

Changing map pools on a regular basis is great in a game like StarCraft 2 where there are new maps released all the time and they even get balanced all the time until they become inactive. But in QL? We don't have a choice to stick to the golden oldies like ZTN & DM13 (which are actually both great) because we have nothing else to pick from.

And if there was ever an organization that could actually make id do something, it is Faceit.

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<< Comment #160 @ 01:56 CDT, 13 April 2013 >>

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Splashhh - Reply to #152

Do you know how many good and balanced maps lie on lvlworld?
1) It's necessary to select best maps.
2) Put best maps in QL
3) Renew mappool ( that FACEIT job )

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atomigo - Reply to #152

I only agree in certain parts.
You can't have a 7 maps mappool with good maps and all are new.
There are only a hand full of "good" maps which are "new" and are good. And there are "newer" and "older" maps. So if you have an equivalently well BALANCED map you should chose the newer one.

E.g. if you want a 3 maps mappool with a fast a slow and a middle map you can go with aero, hektik or tox as a fast map and I think aero would be the most boring choice. While in the slow (very slow?) maps area I don't see an equivalent to dm13. But T7 is fine aswell so chose that one. etc.
and again you won't get 7 new maps with that but I don't see whe a totally fine map like silence should not be in a pool while there are ztn, dm13, aero and dm6 in the pool which I have seen like 1 million times already and are boring to spectate and to play.

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hitsu - Reply to #161

if ztn games bore you, its time to retire from quake and start doing lol or something.

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atomigo - Reply to #165

yes it's time to retire, when I see players with 32% ztn, 27% t7, 20% dm13, 9% aero and 5% dm6 which makes 95.77 of their games, and yet they still have a "strong" and "well informed" opinion about new maps.

*edit*
1719 games played and a total of 83 on hektik, tox, silence.
well done well done.

while i got 522 games on aero, 1175 on ztn and 476 games on dm6 and 161 on dm13. and this in QL alone. So I even have more games on my most disliked map alone than you on the maps you always diss. well done

Edited by atomigo at 05:06 CDT, 13 April 2013

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hitsu - Reply to #166

http://www.qlranks.com/duel/player/hitsuj1
http://www.qlranks.com/duel/player/ozymandiass

humhumhum... had another one, but before qlranks :0

go do LOL, as you're bad at statistics aswell

PS. i dont play maps i dislike[just incase you're not able to get it on your own]

Edited by hitsu at 05:49 CDT, 13 April 2013

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atomigo - Reply to #167

these accounts look all the same.
none of the new maps are played at all and yet you claim to know them good enough to judge them.

plus i'm pretty good in statistics. don't know what you are refering to.

good thing QL has idiots like you who are happy to see people turn their backs on quake. thumbs up!

*edit* players with multiple fake nicks are not respectable anyway

Edited by atomigo at 05:57 CDT, 13 April 2013

<< Comment #169 @ 06:11 CDT, 13 April 2013 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #168

even better quake has wannabe smartasses like you, who rage because mappool doesnt fit their expectations.

<< Comment #174 @ 07:56 CDT, 13 April 2013 >>

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m0n0_ - Reply to #169

Is this your reasoning?

a) I don't play maps I don't like.
b) Hence I rarely play the new maps, which I don't like.
c) I don't like new maps because they are clearly inferior to the old ones.
d) I came to this conclusion by playing on them < 1% of my games per map.

Sounds a bit circular to me.

As a result(?!?) of this you advocate that better players also should not play on those maps and are happy if they are removed from tourneys, which you don't take part in. You don't even want to spectate those maps. You don't want to come near those maps. You like to spectate the same 5 maps for the next 10 years when finally QL will have gotten to the status where qw is today. No streams, no events, 5 maps. Glorious fights on ztn all night long.

Surely you will hold up the flag of QL by then and host LANs in your backyard, pay the top 10 to fly to your place and see the highest form of mindgame evolve, which can only come from playing the same map for 25 years straight.

Good plan, mate!

<< Comment #176 @ 10:20 CDT, 13 April 2013 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #174

jumping to stupid conclusions wont take you far.

I dont play maps i dont like[all rail no brain hektik style]. somehow 90% of new maps is exactly what i hate.

sinister was kinda kewl, but noone plays it, and waiting for 20 minutes on a empty server isnt exactly enjoyable

Edited by hitsu at 10:23 CDT, 13 April 2013

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ffx - Reply to #161

How come you dislike ztn, dm13 and aero whereas you are completely fine with t7? As far as I know you started with ql so honestly it doesn't really make any sense to me. The thing is you have problems on bigger maps in general and I once even gave you an advice on how to play on ztn and you were like "lol I know how to". Then you got crushed against no_il (no offence but no sucks on ztn :D) and you then came up with the usual +back shitty map arguements.

Btw. you have 3 percent dm13 played. So how in gods name can it be overplayed? I am fine if you dislike it but pls stop with your bullshit arguements as it gets kinda boring.

<< Comment #389 @ 06:11 CDT, 4 May 2013 >>

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atomigo - Reply to #175

I dislike ztn, dm13 and aero because they are overplayed. Additionally i dislike dm13 because to me its boring to play.

I started playing duel somewhere around 2003, so no I did not start with QL.

I think i really know how ztn should be played, but in general duels I chose not to, because Its not fun for me to play +back on a casual level.

I don't remember your advice on ztn, beeing crushed by no_il usually tends to be cause I get frustrated and play +forward only after 1:0.

3 percent dm13 played and there was this game called q3.

cheers mate

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ffx - Reply to #389

Thought u started with ql :O. Well, then it makes kinda sense ;)

<< Comment #159 @ 01:49 CDT, 13 April 2013 >>

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Anonymous (82.131.65.105)

Love you face it, but dropping sinister is a shit move.

<< Comment #156 @ 19:50 CDT, 12 April 2013 >>

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melechesh '

holy fuck, when will people learn to accept the mappool and deal with it

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<< Comment #171 @ 06:27 CDT, 13 April 2013 >>

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kk-super_koziol.pl - Reply to #156

I am accepting the mappool completely, but not agreeing with it.

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<< Comment #344 @ 02:56 CDT, 15 April 2013 >>

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yu_raider - Reply to #171

O rly

<< Comment #178 @ 16:51 CDT, 13 April 2013 >>

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Ffleri - Reply to #156

i think they will "accept" it when it will be as good as the old one, cause nobody wants to change something what is actually good to something worse
easy as this

<< Comment #179 @ 17:21 CDT, 13 April 2013 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #178

I wasn't referring to this mappool specifically, but any mappool. The mentality of the community must change.

Mappools should only be questioned if a questionable map has been added (questionable meaning universally regarded as a bad map).

Mappools should change more often. If a certain map doesn't appear in a mappool, it should pass by unnoticed, not cause a shitstorm. If your idea of the ideal mappool does not coincide with the mappool... DON'T GIVE A SHIT. PUT YOUR HANDS IN THE AIR. LIKE YOU DON'T CARE.

JUST PLAY QUAKE FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111111one

Edited by quake is potat at 17:24 CDT, 13 April 2013

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kk-super_koziol.pl - Reply to #179

I still think there's a difference between generating a shitstorm and discussing the changes. I happen to believe that pushing new (proven good) maps is essential for keeping the scene healthy and competitive, so I offered my point of view for the benefit of faceit and the community:] million comment discussions though... yeah... no.

<< Comment #172 @ 07:37 CDT, 13 April 2013 >>

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qwih

I noticed every time Memento is announced as a caster some kind of shitstorm happens and noone talks about him :D
I missed his casting the first time so i'm excited about it given his background on this site. Go John Romero!

<< Comment #173 @ 07:55 CDT, 13 April 2013 >>

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roychez - Reply to #172

Sometimes the negative aspects seem to be more important than the positive ones x)

<< Comment #180 @ 17:28 CDT, 13 April 2013 >>

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twister

Looking forward to the new season.

<< Comment #184 @ 22:20 CDT, 13 April 2013 >>

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Anonymous (220.233.31.197)

remove dm6, have 6 maps. 3 fast 3 slow (or whatever you want to call the differences).

Instead of discarding till one map left, use cointoss to pick the last one.

Done, no more dm6, no more unbalanced (more fast/slow) map pool.

- Bo1: Player A (player labeled as "host" in match-up), elims first map, Player B elims second, repeat until one map is left.
- Bo3: Player A elims first map, Player B elims second, Player A picks map, Player B picks map, cointoss to select last map.
- Bo5: Player A picks, Player B picks, Player A picks, Player B picks, cointoss to select last map.

done done and done

<< Comment #190 @ 06:42 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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frs

ALL the maps in ql duel are already dull as fuck, its pointless to argue if tox is newer than ztn when tox is already old as fuck aswell etc. all these cups are just dull repetations with very small variations, duel needs a completely new map pool and a steady flow of maps into it. i still watch it cause i really like quake but arguing about which single maps (where both of the maps are already old) should swap places is IRRELEVANT when we need 10 new duel maps to make it interesting

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<< Comment #196 @ 07:52 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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kevz - Reply to #190

then we can truely see who learns quick and can stay at the top ^^

<< Comment #210 @ 10:05 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #190

or we could fuck duel and play TDM

<< Comment #192 @ 07:20 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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ipx!

AV3K
V
3
K

<< Comment #197 @ 08:09 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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SigningOff - Reply to #192

no avekkk? no fun.

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<< Comment #198 @ 08:22 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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ipx! - Reply to #197

Yeah... fucking av3kkk.

<< Comment #208 @ 10:01 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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Anonymous (95.49.210.56)

So far in this thread:

- 1 player being against Silence color (surprise, it's Guard, the only person ever to actually complain and the only person ever to post a screenshot with retarded picmip+overbright+enemycolor settings, just to prove his point that a config like that is possible, ha!)

- 1 player being happy that the color will change

- 7 players defending current color scheme (make that 8 with me), that includes SyncError who I'm pretty sure has better idea about what map problems people report :)

Clearly roychez's quest for changing the color has support in the community ;)

Looks to me more like an excuse to keep zzzdm6 back in.

<< Comment #195 @ 07:38 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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24

Notable signups:

Cypher,

evil,

Cooller,

pavel,

dem0n,

Agent,

baksteen,

matr0x,

Sev3n,

twister,

p0ni,

purri,

cnz,

ash,

mazaa,

rzd,

zeun,

bpatela.

Edited by 24 at 07:57 CDT, 14 April 2013

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<< Comment #199 @ 08:25 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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johnny83 - Reply to #195

vot eto zaruba budet! :)

<< Comment #200 @ 08:36 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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ScanX

faceit stream starts bad...didnt show that awesome intro that I love

disappoint

<< Comment #201 @ 08:46 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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Bob

.

Edited by Bob at 21:38 CDT, 27 June 2024

<< Comment #202 @ 08:57 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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frs

memento mori is actually doing a really good job now, a few games in

<< Comment #203 @ 09:21 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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kK_Storm

Liliard: czm too quiet , memento talks too much, his voice like cat, mau mau mau

hahahaahaha

<< Comment #204 @ 09:30 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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ischju

they should make a song out of the "notable signup" :D

<< Comment #206 @ 09:58 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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24 - Reply to #204

I tried.

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<< Comment #211 @ 10:18 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #206

What is this what.

<< Comment #213 @ 10:19 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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kk-super_koziol.pl - Reply to #206

pffffffffffffffffheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeheheheheheeeeeeeeeeeeee

<< Comment #219 @ 10:39 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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wrong person - Reply to #206

hiihhiihihihihi

<< Comment #223 @ 10:48 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #206

hahahaha

have a plus

<< Comment #291 @ 12:33 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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ddk - Reply to #206

hahahahaha :D

<< Comment #298 @ 12:57 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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sonigo - Reply to #206

I know how you guys all love the WUBWUBWUB music, so I made a little something for you:
ULTRA DROP BASS DUBSTEP WUBWUB NOTABLE SIGNUP KILLER TRACK

Edited by sonigo at 14:33 CDT, 14 April 2013

<< Comment #309 @ 14:30 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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skulp - Reply to #206

lol

<< Comment #205 @ 09:33 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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ischju

"You have to go back" ... evil did that to win dreamhack (watched old demos etc).

<< Comment #212 @ 10:19 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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jamalz

Fine with the maps. Tennis,soccer,baseball,football, ect all don't change the fucking fields they play on.

Who cares, I don't find it stale, but I would like to see new maps because of variety.

Like when I fuck random chicks even when I have a hot girlfriend. I don't hate my gf, I just want some fresh snatch once in a while.

So ya silence is cool and shouldn't really be out of the map pool. Same as hektik/toxicity. But I like to see dm6 in there cuz <3.

<< Comment #215 @ 10:20 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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kk-super_koziol.pl - Reply to #212

but this isn't really about tennis or soccer is it?

<< Comment #217 @ 10:23 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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ischju - Reply to #215

It's about fucking fresh flesh when you are with someone else apparently. If I understood his analagy correctly.

<< Comment #214 @ 10:19 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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hyperblastr

twister demo vs pavel?

<< Comment #218 @ 10:28 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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calleking - Reply to #214

it was streamed on qlrankstv: http://www.twitch.tv/qlrankstv/b/390540532 @ 16:21:00 or so

first ~6 minutes are missing i think

<< Comment #220 @ 10:41 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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Shardik

gg cypher

<< Comment #221 @ 10:42 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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Derity

i miss k1llsen in these cups...
but he stated that he often doesn't have time on sundays (family).

<< Comment #222 @ 10:46 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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HustLah

twister, u will never have k1llsen's rail, there's more weapons in aerowalk

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<< Comment #230 @ 11:12 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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ybl - Reply to #222

twister sens too damn low

<< Comment #233 @ 11:22 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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twister - Reply to #230

wat

<< Comment #382 @ 10:42 CDT, 16 April 2013 >>

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lewl - Reply to #233

wanna upload your demos from the cup? :) also congrats on stepping up your game.

<< Comment #383 @ 11:35 CDT, 16 April 2013 >>

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twister - Reply to #382

ph4te.piano-piano.ch/twister/c]-)twister(POV)-vs-102pavel_-aerowalk-2013_04_14-16_35_22.dm_73
ph4te.piano-piano.ch/twister/c]-)twister(POV)-vs-102pavel_-furiousheights-2013_04_14-15_48_16.dm_73

Edited by twister_ at 11:36 CDT, 16 April 2013

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<< Comment #387 @ 04:42 CDT, 17 April 2013 >>

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lewl - Reply to #383

cheers :) also sorry, but i was asking for your demos of the whole tournament

<< Comment #232 @ 11:17 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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twister - Reply to #222

Sure buddy

Edited by twister_ at 11:19 CDT, 14 April 2013

<< Comment #234 @ 11:24 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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HustLah - Reply to #232

2 games or whatever, but u know that u dont have his rail, so start picking other weapons and maybe, just maybe have better chances to win your matches

<< Comment #235 @ 11:32 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #234

what the fuck are you talking about?

both are horrible railwhores, its not like killsen hits constantly 60pc rail :X

<< Comment #237 @ 11:32 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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-plaZma- - Reply to #222

No one will have k1llsens rail, but how the fuck does that even matter?

<< Comment #238 @ 11:35 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #222

the difference is that most times when k1llsen rails is when it is safe to rail or the enemy wont be able to kill him if he misses. Twister just shoots rail at anytime, it's pure stupid. It's not calculated risk or anything.

Watch k1llsen vs cypher on hektik from dreamhack 2010. K1llsen vs toxjq on ztn. K1llsen vs av3k on furious heights (forget when, was awesome)

There is a refined beauty to his railing.

<< Comment #306 @ 14:18 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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HustLah - Reply to #238

this

<< Comment #225 @ 11:08 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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AG1M

cooller on dm13 <3

<< Comment #226 @ 11:09 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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kevz

ghaha that dm13 finish was over the top wonky action

<< Comment #231 @ 11:16 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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jamalz

OH FUCK SON DAT DM13

memento u talk too much, less please. Let DDk talk sometime too

<< Comment #227 @ 11:09 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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HustLah

what was that matrox ? u need to push on dm13 ,45 sec left ,1 frag up ?

<< Comment #229 @ 11:10 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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Noismo

Cooller's general sponsor - Validol!

[img]http://img.happy-giraffe.ru/thumbs/650x650/10197/b4cc5eab64df94a21d76a8d6774d321e.jpg[/img]

<< Comment #275 @ 12:14 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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Mitritch - Reply to #229

Cypher should definitely win his sponsorship from Prozak after grandfinal games.

<< Comment #236 @ 11:32 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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kk-super_koziol.pl

awesomesause

<< Comment #239 @ 11:38 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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sonic

twitch is shit.

<< Comment #245 @ 11:55 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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kK_Storm - Reply to #239

twitch is shit.

<< Comment #264 @ 12:08 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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kk-super_koziol.pl - Reply to #245

shitch is twit

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<< Comment #240 @ 11:38 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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kevz

prease, 1 final without lag :X

<< Comment #241 @ 11:39 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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-plaZma-

I will shit down your neck Twitch.

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<< Comment #242 @ 11:39 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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sonic

jamerio is cleaning his keyboard again while watching the stream

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<< Comment #285 @ 12:26 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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Anonymous (90.181.78.216)

What mouse is Cooller using now? He said he changed today.

<< Comment #297 @ 12:46 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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sonic - Reply to #285

"just a mouse" - cooller

<< Comment #243 @ 11:55 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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AG1M

cooller on ztn <3

<< Comment #244 @ 11:55 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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DamianLillard

So what effin stren-ex mouse is cooller exactly using, he's outaiming cypher?

<< Comment #246 @ 11:55 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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kK_Storm - Reply to #244

zowie ec2

<< Comment #247 @ 11:57 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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Lethe

cooller about to win bo3/bo5 vs cypher?

is the apocalypse coming?

<< Comment #248 @ 12:00 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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kK_Storm

odna
sploshnaja
chush

<< Comment #251 @ 12:02 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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ischju - Reply to #248

translæte

<< Comment #257 @ 12:04 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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kK_Storm - Reply to #251

could be like "complete bullshit [this final game/maps]"

<< Comment #284 @ 12:25 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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simonov - Reply to #251

"total utter crap"
more like it

<< Comment #295 @ 12:41 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #251

ONE CONTINUOUS NONSENSE

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<< Comment #256 @ 12:03 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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Lave - Reply to #248

an utter nonsense

(imo, but my russian is rather poor)

<< Comment #249 @ 12:02 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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DamianLillard

C L O L R E
L
O
L
R
E

<< Comment #250 @ 12:02 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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melechesh '

mega game (c) cypher

<< Comment #252 @ 12:02 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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gSTRUCTOR '

C O O L L E R
O
O
L
L
E
R

<< Comment #253 @ 12:02 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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By $\0/$ -xinnn-

/!\ WARNING: COOLLER /!\

Edited by xin at 12:03 CDT, 14 April 2013

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<< Comment #255 @ 12:03 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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wormed - Reply to #253

best rage inducing bind ever.

<< Comment #326 @ 17:24 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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ipx! - Reply to #253

CYPHER CYPHER CYPHER

<< Comment #286 @ 12:26 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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jamalz

It's taken 13 years, but Cooller is finally in form.

TIME TO PRAY.

<< Comment #254 @ 12:03 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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Yellack

Cooller was just OMFG!!
Next harosh top 5 should have 5 cooller scenes really :D

<< Comment #258 @ 12:04 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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DamianLillard - Reply to #254

t7 start against dem0n with benny hill music

<< Comment #259 @ 12:04 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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iavoal

I'M TAKING IT (c) Cooller 2013

<< Comment #260 @ 12:05 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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gienon

crazy stuff (c) cooller

<< Comment #261 @ 12:06 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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daka

ofc (c) cooller

Attached Image: 93789-Untitled.jpg (236KB)

Edited by daka at 12:12 CDT, 14 April 2013

<< Comment #262 @ 12:06 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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Lethe

this is insane, what a fucking bitchslap, 3:0 vs a top of his game cypher, what the hell is this

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<< Comment #270 @ 12:10 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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Lave - Reply to #262

this is what happens when the player who developed his style around not beeing able to hit as much in brawls suddenly hits high percentages

<< Comment #274 @ 12:14 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #270

cooller got lucky on t7 with the 2hp rail, but it was mostly reading the fuck out of cypher over and over again. it's not like he had a bad lg before...

i'd say that he just had a fuckload of a burden playing vs cypher, cause cypher ALWAYS beats him. guess he finally managed to ignore that and play his game.

<< Comment #281 @ 12:20 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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daka - Reply to #274

exactly!

he finaly doesn't give a single fuck against who he plays, and it was awesome to watch

Edited by daka at 12:20 CDT, 14 April 2013

<< Comment #356 @ 05:33 CDT, 15 April 2013 >>

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_gory - Reply to #262

When was the last time cooller beat cypher? 10 years ago? Anyone got anything official?

<< Comment #361 @ 06:28 CDT, 15 April 2013 >>

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qwih - Reply to #356

on LAN it was iem5 2011 world finals, he coollered Cypher with a last minute comeback in the group stages.

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<< Comment #363 @ 07:05 CDT, 15 April 2013 >>

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CENEk - Reply to #361

God damnit, I miss the IEM tournaments. :/

<< Comment #367 @ 09:33 CDT, 15 April 2013 >>

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_gory - Reply to #363

Yep it was great.. IEM Europe and WORLD! :D
Hopefully faceIT will make the season finals on lan with 10x prize money in 6 months :)

<< Comment #369 @ 10:21 CDT, 15 April 2013 >>

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CENEk - Reply to #367

Fingers crossed :)

<< Comment #263 @ 12:07 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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Derity

omg, memento. you talk too much.
stop just interrupting cooller...

Edited by Derity at 12:08 CDT, 14 April 2013

<< Comment #265 @ 12:08 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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ybl - Reply to #263

rofl

http://www.pic-upload.de/view-18950572/memo.png.html

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<< Comment #266 @ 12:09 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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AG1M

just a mouse (c) cooller

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<< Comment #267 @ 12:10 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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fisume

"just a mouse, don't want to do advertisement for free" (c) Cooller

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<< Comment #273 @ 12:13 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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daka - Reply to #267

well he is a salesman now :)

<< Comment #268 @ 12:10 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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bl4ze

CYPHER CYPHER CYPHER

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<< Comment #280 @ 12:18 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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iavoal - Reply to #268

IS YESTERDAY YESTERDAY YESTERDAY

Edited by iavoal at 12:19 CDT, 14 April 2013

<< Comment #282 @ 12:22 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #268

IS RAGED RAGED RAGED

Edited by Demiurge at 12:22 CDT, 14 April 2013

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<< Comment #269 @ 12:10 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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ischju

ABC UP!

God, that was an awesome ending of an interview. Keep it up cooller!

Edited by ischju at 12:11 CDT, 14 April 2013

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<< Comment #271 @ 12:11 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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u3a6

I send final demos, many fragmovies (c) coolleR

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<< Comment #277 @ 12:15 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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kK_Storm - Reply to #271

))))

<< Comment #272 @ 12:13 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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wormed

So many great lines from coolleR in one interview. Awww yea.

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<< Comment #276 @ 12:15 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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Mitritch

If quake would be mathematical theory book, then Cooller would be the man who wrote back page of this book. (c) ddk

<< Comment #278 @ 12:17 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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Demiurge '

That was pretty epic final. I'm so glad I tuned in!

COOLLER
OOLLER
OLLER
LLER
LER
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<< Comment #279 @ 12:17 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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SwarmDMX

Both Cooller and Cypher on top of their game means no-one else will win anything for the next year or so... unless evil wakes up and starts playing like he was last year.

<< Comment #293 @ 12:37 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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nkvd - Reply to #279

Evil simply replaced Cooller for a while and he did his job well, BUT THE BOSS CAME BACK!

Edited by nkvd at 12:46 CDT, 14 April 2013

<< Comment #283 @ 12:25 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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cha0z_

Don't know who make those faceit frag videos, but he do GREAT JOB! Harosh! <3

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<< Comment #290 @ 12:31 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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cityy - Reply to #283

ZeroQL makes them. :)

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cha0z_ - Reply to #290

Really? Or you are just out for + hunt?

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cityy - Reply to #303

Really.

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<< Comment #287 @ 12:27 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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zealot

vods / demos? :)

<< Comment #288 @ 12:29 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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zealot - Reply to #287

grandfinal: http://www.twitch.tv/faceittv/b/390886873

starts at 5mins in on dm6 and lasts 1minute :p

starts at 6min on dm6: http://www.twitch.tv/faceittv/b/390898742

Edited by zealot at 12:30 CDT, 14 April 2013

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<< Comment #289 @ 12:29 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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daka

i bet next top five will have all 5 cooller frags xD

<< Comment #292 @ 12:37 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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Anonymous (78.106.36.54)

What is the map Dan Moroz is sweeping at the start of Harosh Top 5 #2?

<< Comment #294 @ 12:40 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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twister - Reply to #292

siberia

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sonic

jamerio wins again!

<< Comment #299 @ 12:57 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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iavoal

Dare to enter the final?

Cooller will harosh the top 5 of you.

<< Comment #300 @ 13:01 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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flynnT

when does the cooller interview start in the vod?

<< Comment #308 @ 14:27 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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Carpio - Reply to #300

26:25

It is awesome! :)

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<< Comment #301 @ 13:03 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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Derb_

OMFG I SPRAYED CUM EVERYWHERE!

<3 COOLLER

<< Comment #302 @ 13:53 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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Carpio

COOLLER! \o/

<< Comment #304 @ 13:58 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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p4r4

Cooller reminds us once again who is best player ever.

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<< Comment #320 @ 17:05 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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adobostreak - Reply to #304

cypher. because this was a fluke week. matrox eliminating evil? twister eliminating pavel? LOL u cant take this first cup of the season seriously

if u really want to get into who's better:
who eliminated who in the faceit season finale last week (the one that mattered)

remind us how many international LANs cooler has placed 1st in his 10+ year quake career?

what about cypher in the past few years?

yea, lets be real

Edited by adobostreak at 17:15 CDT, 14 April 2013

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Memento_Mori - Reply to #320

How can you not join the cooller's fan boy wagon, after today's event? He's da boss, ffs!

/emotional

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<< Comment #329 @ 17:41 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #320

cypher. because this was a fluke week. matrox eliminating evil? twister eliminating pavel? LOL u cant take this first cup of the season seriously

Yeah, if something doesn't fit into your model of the world, it definitely isn't a problem of wrong model, it just means that it's a "fluke week" and shouldn't be taken seriously.

Coller raping the undisputed champion of just finished faceit series is proof that cypher is best player ever - that is your meaning of being real?

Of course, best players not always choose to win. Cooller plays much higher level game than just winning or losing some tournament. Sometimes, for example, he wants other player to win to demonstrate some point or just of being very kind and generous. I.e. imagine if he always won all cups, then it would be debatable whether cooller is best player, or just that he is medium player, but all others are skillless noobs, and he wins among them just based on their low skill, not on his high skill. So he needs to set the stage for himself to show that his competitors are really players of highest caliber, that's why he has to let them win sometimes and gather many titles, to crush them later when they are not nobodys but respectable grand masters of Quake with many regals. Or other times he knows that his opponent is in difficult life situation and needs those prize money, so he lets him win it. Etc, etc, it's very complex story.

Also, he used technical handicap in past years, like wrong mouse and bad monitor, imprecise chair height, etc, because winning with perfect setup was too easy for him. So he built up some challenge. But he knows that people are mostly dumb and only thing that matters for them is who won or lost, so for those people he decided that he today once plays with his normal skill and setup, without handicaps and hidden meanings, just to let those people, who were worrying that cooller's fire might have burnt out, to know for sure that he still is and never ceased to be the best player ever.

Edited by p4r4 at 17:57 CDT, 14 April 2013

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twister - Reply to #329

Stopped being funny in 2011.

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zealot - Reply to #320

i didn't care for your first 100 posts, but now we hate you.

<< Comment #372 @ 12:58 CDT, 15 April 2013 >>

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adobostreak - Reply to #348

the truth hurts, i completely understand.

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lewl - Reply to #320

what does twister, pavel, matrox and evil peformance have to with cooller?

<< Comment #384 @ 12:01 CDT, 16 April 2013 >>

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adobostreak - Reply to #380

nothing. which is why i said this first cup wasn't to be taken seriously

it actually has more to do with your reading comprehension.

<< Comment #385 @ 13:40 CDT, 16 April 2013 >>

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lewl - Reply to #384

you discredit the players in order to discredit the cup and then say it has no effect on cooller performance. ouch gg cooller best player ever. i was so happy that he beat the former best player 3-0 in the finals.

<< Comment #305 @ 14:06 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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maza

where's the self-respect of cypher :l

<< Comment #310 @ 14:32 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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dem0n

bind h "say ^7dem0n needs to concentrate on ABC game: just ^6A) ^7timing ^6B) ^7positioning ^6C) ^7that's it ^6(c) ^7coolleR^6."

Cooller did the same to me than he did to strenx back in 2010

Now I can die.

WP cooller :)

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<< Comment #311 @ 14:37 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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adem - Reply to #310

no, now you can start preparing for QQon 2013, and mb you can beat Rapha in the final :b

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Carpio - Reply to #310

No worries Strenx got better after it! You were just blessed by the master! ;)

<< Comment #316 @ 15:03 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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B4ZE - Reply to #310

Stop using wheel for weapon switch heretic!

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cha0z_ - Reply to #310

I am sure you won't believe me, but using key bind for every weapon will make you better when you get used to it.

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<< Comment #319 @ 17:00 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #318

and on what key would i use my new awesome bind ? :(

Edited by dem0n at 17:01 CDT, 14 April 2013

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cha0z_ - Reply to #319

I am serious man! You handicap yourself in some situations! Maybe not every game, maybe it matters even more rarely, but it fucks you up for sure sometimes and that can be the diff from winning tournament or losing even at semis!

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kk-super_koziol.pl - Reply to #324

sometimes you can even see from the spec point when dem0n struggles needlessly with that fucking thing.

Edited by kk-super_koziol.pl at 03:16 CDT, 15 April 2013

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Lave - Reply to #319

you can bind it on mwheelup/down

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<< Comment #341 @ 23:25 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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Anonymous (94.224.98.83) - Reply to #310

It's a curse. Strenx still can't beat Cooller and never will. You're fucked for life.

<< Comment #313 @ 14:59 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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Infuscomus

Hmmm, what happened with the VOD today ? I can only find the grand final (incomplete) on the twistch channel.

<< Comment #314 @ 15:00 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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B4ZE

cooller demos please.

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ProT ' - Reply to #314

http://www.esreality.com/post/2408901/cooller-vs-cypher/

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<< Comment #339 @ 23:03 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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B4ZE - Reply to #338

Ty.

<< Comment #315 @ 15:01 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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bsk

C O O L L E R
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R _ _ _ _ _ R

<< Comment #317 @ 15:16 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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B4ZE

Probably the best match i have seen in a while.

cooller is hiting so much LG look at that, the crosshair is super red (c) Memento_Mori http://fr.twitch.tv/faceittv/b/390898742?t=14m42s

Ty for casting memento_mori it was awesome to see you there .

Edited by B4ZE at 15:01 CDT, 15 April 2013

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Anonymous (173.208.225.113)

J U S T
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(C)

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<< Comment #322 @ 17:11 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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Memento_Mori

I really liked this weekend. The mood in the studio was relaxed and happy, the weather was warm and sunny, everybody seemed cool and ready to start a new season. I'm not sure this was perceived at home, but it really helped me feeling at home.

My apologies for talking too much. Not making excuses or anything, but I think it boils to lack of exp: i got nervous a couple of times (cooller's interview, some dm13 matches) and my brain started farting, talking an talking.

About cooller's performance today (matches and interview): it was incredible, I could not believe my eyes. So good to hear him happy about playing, especially compared to the sad mood of his retirement interview. Again, sorry for talking too much there (no one should ever interrupt cooller talking). His answers hopefully made it up for my sloppiness.

In general, thanks for the feedback. I will watch the vods and try to do better next time, should i co-cast again. Any kind word is a boost to my motivation. And huge thanks to Faceit, and especially ddk. A pleasure to work with you!

Edited by Memento_Mori at 17:57 CDT, 14 April 2013

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<< Comment #325 @ 17:20 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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qwih - Reply to #322

\o/

<< Comment #328 @ 17:31 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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ipx! - Reply to #322

Great work, love the analysis. Hope to see you cast some more!

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cha0z_ - Reply to #322

<3

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daka - Reply to #322

You did great Memento, thank you, and DDK also, great job guys, nice to see you improving with every new cup

BTW. where is the first 5 minutes of dm6 game from the finals?

<< Comment #333 @ 18:31 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #322

memento_mori, I really loved your casting today, the few bits I had to hear, really. You had some great tips to give and I, myself, have taken notes of some of your advices. I really enjoy it everytime you get to cast because you bring in something new. I did not notice, when listening to the vod part of cooller's interview (because I got hinted cooller talked about me so I was like woop woop lets listen to the master) that you 'talked too much'.

You were great and I'm looking forward to hearing more of you casting and improving doing it so.

Because fuck it, you've got something, trust me. ;)

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<< Comment #371 @ 10:28 CDT, 15 April 2013 >>

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Memento_Mori - Reply to #333

I never thought I could give advices to a player of your caliber. Thanks for the kind words :)

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roychez - Reply to #322

Meme, you are bloody awesome and a wise man. We at FACEIT learn new stuff every time you come by :) <3

Edited by roychez at 04:27 CDT, 15 April 2013

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ybl - Reply to #322

i found it very professional actually, coollers english is not so super
great casting anyway :>

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Carpio - Reply to #322

Your casting has improved a lot Memento! Thx guys for your awesome work keeping ql alive!!!!!!!!

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omek - Reply to #322

you did a great job, hope to see you casting again soon

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quakelessons - Reply to #322

IMHO camera is waiting for cute gentle mistakes (like yours), because opposite kind of things can shine brighter and be more alive, and we have something to discuss and be touched by your long hair and wide soul. Be yourself and let ddk and zoot be perfect androits, in contrast =)

Edited by quakelessons at 10:30 CDT, 15 April 2013

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CENEk - Reply to #322

I only watched the grand final, but I have to say that you are very enjoyable as a caster. You provide some great insights and I absolutely did not think that you interrupted Cooller when you interviewed him.

People need to realize how hard it can be to interview someone via skype, phone, whatever, especially someone who doesn't have English as his main language and needs the small pauses, that can sometimes be confused with an actual ending of an answer. :)

<< Comment #358 @ 05:53 CDT, 15 April 2013 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #322

you do have good points and insight, just way too much talk, gotta stop the machine gun talk and try to only analyze real important plays, and leave the color commentary to DDK.

<< Comment #360 @ 06:23 CDT, 15 April 2013 >>

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blau - Reply to #322

You didn't talk to much. Everything was fine. The only thing which I noticed is that when something spectacular is happening on screen, you maybe should interrupt yourself.

<< Comment #364 @ 08:06 CDT, 15 April 2013 >>

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ddk - Reply to #322

Il piacere è mio!

It was the most enjoyable Sunday cup for me so far! You did absolutely great (huge improvement from last time to be certain) and it was very enjoyable casting with you good sir, I hope to see you back as soon as possible :D.

I personally don't think you talked too much, there were spots where it's maybe arguable-- but for me most importantly as your co-commentator, it never crossed a threshold where I felt uncomfortable so that's definitely fine in my book :).

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<< Comment #323 @ 17:14 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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qwih

What a tourney! Fuck my IRL, i missed it live. I watched a bit of the early matches, Bak vs P0ni, Dem0n vs QLR, Evil vs Matr0x and the finals.. Just 4 things to say:

1) Memento ROCKED, i liked his style so much, just get excited when it's worth it (even if he can't actually change the tone of his voice :D, whatevs!) and stick to analizing the most important happenings during the match. I prefer a guy who's trying hard on his first tries and maybe overplay 'em, over a guy who just won't step it up (hi CZM). Always being over-excited get's boring after a while, i like Memento's way a lot more if he steps up in the later stages as he did:

Best thing about his today performance: HE IMPROVED SO DURING THE EVENING!!!
He stopped missing some turning points while over analyzing what just happened, he talked a little less :DDDD, he sounded and was more comfortable, he reminded me of fuckin 2GD with his on point reading of the game! Dude i'm a fan now!!!!

M E M E N T O
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2) DDK just bounced from a guy who just gave 3 o 4 words per map to a guy who had lots of opinions and insights, and omfg he adapted perfectly!!!

D D K
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3) /!\ WARNING: COOLLER /!\

4) to be honest cypher didn't look at the top of his game, a lot of shaky movements and other stuff, but whatever
R A G E D
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Many many thanks FaceIt <3333333

Edited by qwih at 17:21 CDT, 14 April 2013

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #323

cypher didn't look at the top of his game? what? haha he roflstomped everyone but cooller, cooller said in the interview that he feels now he has adapted to quakelive like he never was able to. And hes practicing. An active and motivated cooller is an unstoppable force dude.

<< Comment #375 @ 17:40 CDT, 15 April 2013 >>

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qwih - Reply to #374

I just noticed he kept messing up his strafe jumps every now and then while playing ztn.

Edited by qwih at 17:41 CDT, 15 April 2013

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megaman3 - Reply to #374

Now is high time for a lan, with everyone attending.

Make it happen.....memento.

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #381

THIS!!!

<< Comment #330 @ 17:42 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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weltschmerz

This was one great show. Excellent commentary, excellent games. Specifically of course from cooller, who seemed to have rediscovered his own, cocky self of former times. The "choosing moments when to be aggressive" and dodging was just awesome today.

<< Comment #335 @ 20:07 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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nkvd

Edited by nkvd at 06:07 CDT, 15 April 2013

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Carpio - Reply to #335

Why cant i plus you?

[+] Error: The target user can't receive judgements

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Memento_Mori - Reply to #351

New accounts are in probation until they reach a certain post count.

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Carpio - Reply to #353

Ah ok! I plus you instead. You deserve every one of it! :)

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kk-super_koziol.pl - Reply to #357

^

<< Comment #336 @ 20:09 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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roychez

Just wanted to say even behind the production table where I don't notice a lot of the actual commentary and matches usually, I bloody enjoyed the casting by ddk and Meme, was brilliant, also some great games. And as always, chat was very entertaining :)

Also, critique (map pool this instance) is needed to keep improving, so thank you for that. But seeing people happy with what we produce keeps us motivated as well! Great to see the good feedback (both sides of the coin), keep it coming!

Edited by roychez at 20:11 CDT, 14 April 2013

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<< Comment #349 @ 04:04 CDT, 15 April 2013 >>

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aeoL - Reply to #336

And I just wanted to say I've never seen a producer/creator be so involved with the community like you have :D You basically live on ESR now :DDD

<< Comment #354 @ 05:20 CDT, 15 April 2013 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #336

Next time you do those top 5 thingies make sure you're equipped with a half decent microphone - it's either that or some horribly wrong sound editing.

Thanks for the show roy, and remove kozel from being a mod, he's suspicious as fuck.

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roychez - Reply to #354

Something went wrong with rendering is what I've been told (were fine on our PC until they came on stream).

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kk-super_koziol.pl - Reply to #354

I'm onto you faged

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #366

First warning

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kk-super_koziol.pl - Reply to #368

FOR YOU BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

<< Comment #340 @ 23:25 CDT, 14 April 2013 >>

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Daddy_

1) cooller actually won smth - wow
2) he beat cypher in the final - no way oOoOoOOoOoOOOoOOOo

<< Comment #343 @ 02:49 CDT, 15 April 2013 >>

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-CTPAX-

I love how Cypher rages when somebody does "impossible" or "lucky" kills on him forgetting that he is doing the same to the others all the time.

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #343

correction, cypher doesnt do lucky kills, hes just that good.

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Lave - Reply to #373

neither does cooller

he just stoppes beeing unlucky

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<< Comment #362 @ 06:46 CDT, 15 April 2013 >>

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shoxr

Holy shit cooller brought the power of Russian

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<< Comment #376 @ 20:13 CDT, 15 April 2013 >>

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sleepii

the question of streaming wasn't asked when cooller got interviewed? you imbeciles.

<< Comment #377 @ 01:21 CDT, 16 April 2013 >>

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CENEk

I think it's amazing that Cooller has actually found his love for the game by being away for some time and then coming back with no expectations.

He sounded truly happy to be playing again :)

<< Comment #378 @ 03:30 CDT, 16 April 2013 >>

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Lukas

The final was amazing, such brilliant play by cooller. I could really feel the frustration of Cypher building up.

Casting was great too, please please keep this going for a very loooong time :)

<< Comment #388 @ 11:51 CDT, 18 April 2013 >>

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Noismo

Anyway, Cypher's win streak makes him best...at this moment.

Edited by Noismo at 11:57 CDT, 18 April 2013