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KinzuAdder w/ KinzuV2 & DA R2 (81 comments)

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Posted by jayff @ 04:02 CDT, 22 April 2013 - iMsg

Hi all !

First of all, sorry for my english ..

I plan to make the KinzuAdder 2013 !

I followed all instructions I can found on this forum and note / paste them to make a little DB about kinzuadder modding.

I have seen a lot of mod with Kinzu V2 Pro but noone with V2. So, I will make my own post.

What am I using ?

- SteelSeries Kinzu V2 Orange
http://www.playpad.com.br/imagens/playpad.com...GE_01.jpeg

- DeathAdder Rev.2 (RZ01-00150100-R2M1)

- Omron D2-01F Switchs

First things I've done is to replace TTC switchs with Omron swtich. This part is ok.

Now, I will change my PCB with DA PCB but I don't know what to do to make the M3 button working. Kinzu PCB is not the same as Kinzu V2 Pro. I can upload some pics if you want. I've read Thunda's thread that is very helpull !

Cheers, Jayff

EDIT : Photo Album link : http://imgur.com/a/5z1UG#0

EDIT2 : Second photo album : http://imgur.com/a/RMXYu

Edited by jayff at 06:38 CDT, 14 May 2013 - 30635 Hits

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<< Comment #1 @ 18:58 CDT, 23 April 2013 >>

By

Anonymous (80.129.60.63)

if you are able to build one...i would pay 100� for one! ;)

<< Comment #3 @ 02:46 CDT, 24 April 2013 >>

By $\0/$ jayff - Reply to #1

Ahah I will try to do mine it can be a a good starting :D. But why not if it works =D

<< Comment #10 @ 09:24 CDT, 24 April 2013 >>

By

Puzzler - Reply to #1

I sell some KinzuAdders. :-D

<< Comment #2 @ 19:31 CDT, 23 April 2013 >>

By

Lorfa '

My kinzuadder just died, like literally a few hours ago.

I was in the middle of a ca game and it just stopped working. Couldn't move or click. I tried unplugging/plugging it back in, I tried different usb ports, restarting, poking around the drivers. I tried cleaning it like I do, blowing on the sensor and wiping it down (like that would do anything but w/e). I tried shaking it but alas, nothing.

It is recognized by the machine (plugging it in plays the something was just plugged in sound) but that's about it. I guess some wire(s) may have come loose suddenly. Shrug.

<< Comment #4 @ 03:01 CDT, 24 April 2013 >>

By $\0/$ jayff - Reply to #2

Hi ! Sorry to read that, which parts have you used to build yours ?

<< Comment #6 @ 04:34 CDT, 24 April 2013 >>

By

Lorfa ' - Reply to #4

I didn't, it was bought from someone who builds them, and then the person who bought it sent it to me since the shape didn't work for them.

I heard that the builder said something about the wiring inside being "messy", so probably that has something to do with it :-/

<< Comment #40 @ 03:00 CDT, 6 May 2013 >>

By

everamzah - Reply to #2

Do you think it has something to do with the fact that you merged two mice into one?

<< Comment #41 @ 04:00 CDT, 6 May 2013 >>

By

Lorfa ' - Reply to #40

I didn't make it, but I find the sentiment silly. All mice consist of different parts that are very often from different manufacturers.

I suspect that a connection became loose, but it could also be that the razer board died as it was from an original deathadder which is quite dated nowadays.

<< Comment #42 @ 09:31 CDT, 6 May 2013 >>

By

everamzah - Reply to #41

It wasn't very silly at all because you have a frankenmouse and it fell apart.

<< Comment #43 @ 20:51 CDT, 6 May 2013 >>

By

Lorfa ' - Reply to #42

I lol'd.

I guess you're one of those people who doesn't believe in doing anything out of the ordinary. Enjoy being at the complete mercy of the powers that be.

<< Comment #44 @ 04:40 CDT, 7 May 2013 >>

By

everamzah - Reply to #43

I have never been, and never will be, at the mercy of any external power.

<< Comment #5 @ 04:06 CDT, 24 April 2013 >>

By

sieger

reallyl really waiting for one!! i will pay whatever it takes :P

<< Comment #7 @ 05:49 CDT, 24 April 2013 >>

By

zb0t

So when will you finish it?

<< Comment #8 @ 07:59 CDT, 24 April 2013 >>

By $\0/$ jayff - Reply to #7

Im still waiting my deathadder... Maybe in this week if all is good

<< Comment #9 @ 08:38 CDT, 24 April 2013 >>

By

Anonymous (130.180.57.24)

I have built two Kinzuadders using the V2 Pro as a base, someone on overclock figured out the wiring for the Kinzu v2 and DAv3 (v2 might be different)

http://www.overclock.net/t/1281102/kinzuadder...t_17707213

If you dremel bits off both the button PCB (might need a jumper wire for a cut trace) and the DA PCB you can actually fit everything inside and still close it up using all four screws.

You will however need to secure the DA PCB with plenty of hotglue and lengthen the USB cable internally (i used the DA cable in both cases)

Sorry for posting as Anon, i'm not a regular user of this site.

<< Comment #14 @ 17:36 CDT, 24 April 2013 >>

By $\0/$ jayff - Reply to #9

Thanks a lot, I've already seen this topic but this information is very helpful i will try it asap after receiving my DA.

<< Comment #11 @ 16:01 CDT, 24 April 2013 >>

By

Anonymous (80.129.60.63)

If some1 is able to built a kinzu v2/v2 pro and DA 3.5g or DA 2013
i would pay 100� for a NEW one.
if you are interested write it down here or msg me on xfire : shoarrr

<< Comment #13 @ 17:36 CDT, 24 April 2013 >>

By $\0/$ jayff - Reply to #11

I plan to make other kinzuadders if this works. I can maybe sell some of these. Gimme a mail address or pm me on ESR.

<< Comment #12 @ 17:19 CDT, 24 April 2013 >>

By

Skylit - Reply to #11

2013 isn't an option.

<< Comment #15 @ 03:30 CDT, 25 April 2013 >>

By $\0/$ jayff

What do you think about DeathAdder 3.5G 3500 DPI (RZ01-00151400) ? Is this sensor good to make kinzuadder ? I'm asking it because DA 1800DPI are very hard to found now ! It's to make a second kinzuadder.

Thanks jayff

<< Comment #16 @ 12:16 CDT, 25 April 2013 >>

By

Anonymous (130.180.57.24) - Reply to #15

All 3G and 3,5G models fit into the Kinzu shell since they all have the same shape.
The 3Gv3 and 3,5G do in fact have an almost identical PCB and the same pinout.

The 2013 has a completely different board.

<< Comment #17 @ 00:08 CDT, 26 April 2013 >>

By

Skylit - Reply to #16

Almost identical? They're the same. Swapped sensor branding S3668>S3888.

Original 3G models were produced in another factory.

<< Comment #18 @ 00:47 CDT, 26 April 2013 >>

By

Anonymous (80.129.60.63)

no1 here that wants to sell me a 3.5g da/kinzu v2pro kinzuadder for 100�?

<< Comment #19 @ 02:31 CDT, 26 April 2013 >>

By $\0/$ jayff - Reply to #18

As I already said, I can do it, just pm me or gimme a mail address ..

<< Comment #20 @ 09:04 CDT, 26 April 2013 >>

By $\0/$ jayff

Is someone intersted in KinzuAdder with Kinzu V2 Orange and not Kinzu V2 Pro ? i can get a couple of Kinzu V2 Orange .. Gimme fast replies please

<< Comment #21 @ 09:29 CDT, 26 April 2013 >>

By

steffo - Reply to #20

how much will it be?

<< Comment #23 @ 11:44 CDT, 26 April 2013 >>

By $\0/$ jayff - Reply to #21

I'll send it for 85 � + shipment price

<< Comment #22 @ 11:44 CDT, 26 April 2013 >>

By

eysen - Reply to #20

I'm interested :). You'll find my email on my profile.

<< Comment #24 @ 13:12 CDT, 26 April 2013 >>

By

sr0

ye me too, email on profile ;)
but i would prefer kinzu v1 (because of the rubberized shell--> better grip)

<< Comment #71 @ 02:05 CDT, 13 May 2013 >>

By $\0/$ jayff - Reply to #24

Hi, i cant see your mail address

<< Comment #25 @ 10:04 CDT, 28 April 2013 >>

By $\0/$ jayff

First try miserably failed !

I think i made something wrong, maybe interverting gnd with another slot idk ...

Here is a pix of the shell :
http://i.imgur.com/BQv6uSL.jpg?1

The two CPB :
http://i.imgur.com/IgUt4ir.jpg

Kinzuadder failed (the bottom right transistor has been very hot and smell burnt ..) :
http://i.imgur.com/B7RCvNv.jpg

I've found 2 others DA and purchased 2 others kinzu ... to be continued

EDIT: delete the wrong wiring schema

Edited by jayff at 07:07 CDT, 30 April 2013

<< Comment #26 @ 07:33 CDT, 29 April 2013 >>

By

thuNDa - Reply to #25

i ruined one PCB, when i put the wires of the usb-cable in the wrong order in the plug.
so it had nothing to do with the actual wiring on the 10 pins.
it also smelled burnt.

if you havn't seen this already: http://i.imgur.com/7mIgt.jpg

the button layout is for kinzu 1 tho

Edited by thuNDa at 07:34 CDT, 29 April 2013

<< Comment #27 @ 09:32 CDT, 29 April 2013 >>

By $\0/$ jayff - Reply to #26

Hi thuNDa !

I have seen this pix but I wish verify by my own if this is right and I found another wiring on the DA Rev2. But maybe I am wrong (I think). I used the DA USB cable so i can't do any mistake by connecting it, I can just make mistake on the 10 pins wiring.

I'll try to "rewire" the KinzuAdder but I don't think that it will work, I am looking for another DA Rev2 PCB ... (very hard to find it now !)

<< Comment #28 @ 10:20 CDT, 29 April 2013 >>

By

thuNDa - Reply to #27

how can you find another wiring on the rev.2, when i build more than 3 fully functional kinzuadders with the wiring you see on that piece of paper?

<< Comment #29 @ 10:36 CDT, 29 April 2013 >>

By

steffo - Reply to #28

also, use a tester for checking Vcc and GND?

<< Comment #30 @ 10:56 CDT, 29 April 2013 >>

By

thuNDa - Reply to #29

there is not even Vcc required when u connect the button-PCB of the Kinzu to the main-PCB of the DA.
GND is on pin10 for sure tho, on all revisions.

Edited by thuNDa at 11:01 CDT, 29 April 2013

<< Comment #31 @ 14:13 CDT, 29 April 2013 >>

By $\0/$ jayff - Reply to #30

i wanted check if the wiring was good by myself but that was a mistake ...

I'm waiting the other DA to make one working. i'll try to rewire this 'kinzuadder' without any conviction .. will see

<< Comment #32 @ 07:07 CDT, 30 April 2013 >>

By $\0/$ jayff

Receiving a new DA tomorrow ! Maybe a KinzuAdder will born !

<< Comment #33 @ 15:44 CDT, 1 May 2013 >>

By $\0/$ jayff

KinzuAdder successfully builded !

Here is a pix of this KinzuAdder with orange shape
http://imgur.com/a/5z1UG#3

All is working fine after reusing the old DA pcb (those who smell burnt).

there is just a problem now, the lift of distance is too short to be used with teflon pads. I am searching a way to reduce it. I've triied cleant the interior of the shape under the pcb ... Nothing new, LOD is approx 1mm too short. If someone get tips, tell me ...

http://imgur.com/a/5z1UG#4

<< Comment #34 @ 16:37 CDT, 1 May 2013 >>

By

sieger - Reply to #33

waiting for one! gogoogog! and pm me tell me when its ready!

<< Comment #35 @ 01:47 CDT, 2 May 2013 >>

By $\0/$ jayff - Reply to #33

Ive read thunda's post about it where he used the kinzu led tout get� higher LOD. I have 2 orange kinzu on the way and 1-2 deathadder 1800dpi that will arrive in approx 2 weeks. After these 2 others kinzuadder i will up the price to 100� because there is no other kinzu v2 in low price.

Edited by jayff at 02:23 CDT, 2 May 2013

<< Comment #36 @ 08:24 CDT, 2 May 2013 >>

By

thuNDa - Reply to #35

i used a red LED for LOWER LOD.
maybe some dust came into the sensor chip, while you were cutting the PCB.
you can open it by using something like a needle, but be carefull to not scratch over the surface while doing so.
it's also possible that the thing which smelled, was meant for power supply of the LED, and now delivers less electricity for the LED.

<< Comment #38 @ 16:21 CDT, 2 May 2013 >>

By

sieger - Reply to #35

btw, I can send you kinzu, I have one and I dont use it. Also reserve one for me.

<< Comment #37 @ 14:43 CDT, 2 May 2013 >>

By $\0/$ jayff

I just finalized my KinzuAdder. I glued the pcb with sensor on the bottom of the kinzu shape and the LOD is now perfect, maybe a bit short for some players but that's really nice for me !

I'm still waiting others kinzu / DA to make others KinzuAdder, i'll post when it will be finished.

KinzuAdder with PureTrak HD glidz :
http://imgur.com/a/5z1UG#5

<< Comment #48 @ 03:46 CDT, 9 May 2013 >>

By

Lorfa ' - Reply to #37

I am curious about the kinzu v2.

I'm thinking of buying one, is it a good mouse? Is the sensor bad enough to warrant a changeout with a DA sensor?

<< Comment #49 @ 04:34 CDT, 9 May 2013 >>

By $\0/$ jayff - Reply to #48

I was curious to try the Kinzu V2 too ! But the sensor is a real big shit ! It can NOT follow my "fast moves" (I play on low sens) when you need to do 180� or something like that. You can google it, all guys said this sensir is a crap. That's the reason why I have make some KinzuAdders.

Edited by jayff at 05:49 CDT, 9 May 2013

<< Comment #50 @ 05:00 CDT, 9 May 2013 >>

By

Lorfa ' - Reply to #49

I thought that was fixed with the latest firmware.

<< Comment #51 @ 05:47 CDT, 9 May 2013 >>

By $\0/$ jayff - Reply to #50

I assure you that's a crap !! But you can try ;)

<< Comment #53 @ 06:19 CDT, 9 May 2013 >>

By

Anonymous (90.61.210.251) - Reply to #50

that wasn't fixed and i agree that the kinzu got a poor sensor (the kinzu is a low end steelseries mouse : the xai sensor is better but the mouse bigger). I have a kinzuadder and it works well : small size and efficient sensor -- the best i ever had.

<< Comment #52 @ 06:15 CDT, 9 May 2013 >>

By

thuNDa - Reply to #50

kana and kinzu2 have the same sensor but different lens.
kana has only half the DPI but twice the maxspeed of the kinzu2 to say it simple.

<< Comment #54 @ 06:34 CDT, 9 May 2013 >>

By

Lorfa ' - Reply to #52

What is the max speed of the kinzu v2? What happens when you cross it?

<< Comment #57 @ 07:54 CDT, 9 May 2013 >>

By

thuNDa - Reply to #54

don't know from own experience, just read about it that it's just not good enough for non-highsensers.

<< Comment #61 @ 15:25 CDT, 11 May 2013 >>

By

oreozz - Reply to #48

i use 24cm/360 and in certain rare situations it can malfunction. i can play a week of cpm duels and not hit it.. imagine the fastest 180s of your life and of thoseonly a few will mess up

i still use it because i need the dpi

Edited by oreozz at 15:26 CDT, 11 May 2013

<< Comment #62 @ 15:32 CDT, 11 May 2013 >>

By

Lorfa ' - Reply to #61

Ok that is awesome news.

Do you use accel?

What happens when it malfunctions though? The wmo just exhibits a progressively increasing negative accel. Does the kinzu v2 go nuts?

<< Comment #63 @ 15:49 CDT, 11 May 2013 >>

By

oreozz - Reply to #62

no accel, neg accel with a little bit of funkyness but not disorienting

there's also a strange bug where you can just leave it sitting and randomly the cursor starts oscilating in a small range all over the place. it's weird as fuck but only happens rarely when theres no input coming in so you dont ahve to worry about it ingame.

i bought one from the cheap korean ebay store selling them

Edited by oreozz at 15:50 CDT, 11 May 2013

<< Comment #64 @ 17:45 CDT, 11 May 2013 >>

By

Lorfa ' - Reply to #63

Is this the kinzu v2 or v2 pro?

<< Comment #65 @ 19:52 CDT, 11 May 2013 >>

By

oreozz - Reply to #64

i think just v2.. internals are the same though i think just this has no gloss?

the build itself is quite nice, zowie and steelseries seem to have best asthetics/materials but zowie cost so much and don't really havea true wmo clone

<< Comment #66 @ 03:26 CDT, 12 May 2013 >>

By

Lorfa ' - Reply to #65

I would love a zowie FK but the price is ridiculous ;-(

Cool, I might get a kinzu v2 then.

<< Comment #39 @ 02:26 CDT, 6 May 2013 >>

By $\0/$ jayff

I am making 2 Orange KinzuAdder.

- 1 w/ 1800 DPI Sensor (reserved for Sieger)
- 1 w/ 3500 DPI Sensor

The last one is for noone ATM. Tell me if you want it !

<< Comment #55 @ 06:39 CDT, 9 May 2013 >>

By

sieger - Reply to #39

1800 is better than 3500! dont ask why, but its reserved for me! so its better!

<< Comment #58 @ 13:19 CDT, 11 May 2013 >>

By

Anonymous (65.95.191.135) - Reply to #39

If you could ship to Canada, I'd buy the 3500 DPI one :3

<< Comment #59 @ 13:23 CDT, 11 May 2013 >>

By $\0/$ jayff - Reply to #58

Hi, I can do it for +23,20� for shipment price mp on esr with your mail address

<< Comment #45 @ 14:19 CDT, 7 May 2013 >>

By

julios

just finished implanting a deathadder 3.5 g into a wingman gaming mouse. Now I just have to get used to lift off distance (will try tape trick, or use thicker mouse feet), but it feels awesome :)

yesterday, for the first time in 16 years, I played a game of quake without a ballmouse :)

<< Comment #46 @ 14:20 CDT, 7 May 2013 >>

By

julios

actually I should say that Teddyboom did most of the work - guy really knows his stuff and has a nice electronics lab at his place.

<< Comment #47 @ 12:26 CDT, 8 May 2013 >>

By

Anonymous (84.139.19.203)

is a kinzu bigger than the zowie fk?

<< Comment #56 @ 06:41 CDT, 9 May 2013 >>

By

sieger - Reply to #47

zowie FK
Weight: 84g
Height: 27mm
Width: 53mm
Length: 127mm

Kinzu v2
Weight: 77g
Height: 36mm
Width: 64mm
Length: 117mm

<< Comment #60 @ 14:20 CDT, 11 May 2013 >>

By

toop

I have Kinzuadder 3G with low LOD

http://imgur.com/a/SuOVb

Which has D2FC-F-7N (10M) for left and right click and rest are TTC switches.
It needs new mouse feet they are fairly cheap to buy.

Selling for �50+ shipping if anyone interested.

Edited by toop at 14:21 CDT, 11 May 2013

<< Comment #67 @ 05:59 CDT, 12 May 2013 >>

By

thuNDa - Reply to #60

~10� for 2 sets is fairly cheap?

<< Comment #68 @ 12:19 CDT, 12 May 2013 >>

By

toop - Reply to #67

Depends where do you buy from.
Takasa sell cheap and good set for �1.88
They come within 1 week form china too.

Edited by toop at 12:20 CDT, 12 May 2013

<< Comment #69 @ 14:04 CDT, 12 May 2013 >>

By

thuNDa - Reply to #68

oh you can still get them from china.
wasn't always possible when i wanted to get them there for cheap.
i got 11 sets for 12,30� which were the same as the corepads. :D

<< Comment #70 @ 14:15 CDT, 12 May 2013 >>

By

toop - Reply to #69

They charge fairly high margin on mouse skates. I am sure they are very cheap to make in china.
Some companies charge ridiculous amount (�8) for 2 skates here. I just look around a lot for bargains now a days. :D

<< Comment #72 @ 11:53 CDT, 21 May 2013 >>

By $\0/$ jayff

I have another KinzuAdder to sell !

Black Rubberized w/ DA 3500 DPI pm !

<< Comment #73 @ 14:02 CDT, 21 May 2013 >>

By

sr0

jayff or toop id like to buy both if u still offer those.
email me : amstaffs@mail.ua

does the 3.5g has low LOD jayff?

<< Comment #74 @ 15:17 CDT, 21 May 2013 >>

By $\0/$ jayff - Reply to #73

3.5g have low-mid LOD with PureTrak pads

<< Comment #75 @ 18:56 CDT, 28 May 2013 >>

By

sieger

Ok, I got mine!

which looks really neat, and there is no problem at all right now.
I only downloaded Razer synapse 2.0 and configured my settings and not it works like a charm.

You already know about this staff I think, kinzu mouse and DA sensor, so I will not talk about this. However the only think I am not sure is the skatez, because I didnt really like them, maybe because I really used to use Hyperglides with my WMO. so I tried to feel same. I dont know what I will do, but that the thing.

After time I can comment on it more and accurate but now thats all, also, the shipping was reallly fast, I paid like 4or 5 days ago, and he lives in France, I live in USA, and mouse is now in my hands.

Thanks again buddy!

<< Comment #76 @ 04:30 CDT, 29 May 2013 >>

By

Tsubaki - Reply to #75

a lot of people use wmo hyperglides on kinzu since they don't come with teflon mousefeet

<< Comment #77 @ 09:00 CDT, 29 May 2013 >>

By

sieger - Reply to #76

maybe its a good idea, because it has a lot of friction and its too thick. I heard that so many people loves it, but I was using wmo since I started serious gaming, so I need to feel same.. thanks for idea I will try it out!

<< Comment #78 @ 11:15 CDT, 6 August 2013 >>

By

Anonymous (46.59.42.139)

This will be a late bump, but i want a kinzuadder and dont really have the time/knowlage to make one. I cant really find anyone who sells/makes them anymore. i'll be willing to pay for a working kinzuadder. So if any1 has one or can make a new one, please contact me.

robn_1234@hotmail.com

<< Comment #79 @ 20:32 CDT, 10 September 2013 >>

By

unkkkK - Reply to #78

same as Anonymous email me at unkgaming@live.fr

Thanks :]

<< Comment #80 @ 20:17 CST, 3 November 2013 >>

By

sprite08

my kinzuadder

http://s1168.photobucket.com/user/steppe06/me...9.jpg.html

http://s1168.photobucket.com/user/steppe06/me...4.jpg.html

http://s1168.photobucket.com/user/steppe06/me...8.jpg.html

<< Comment #81 @ 09:18 CDT, 23 August 2014 >>

By

Anyone still selling a wmoadder/kinzuadder 3g? pm me and will buy. Would prefer a wmoadder but havn't seen anyone selling them :(

Edited by quakeisalive at 09:20 CDT, 23 August 2014

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