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Happened around the time raythenoob disappeared and dutra was banned. The drama was exquisite.

I clicked the link and opened a few threads.

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You think so? Try that :
http://pipclan.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=genedcsi

Yawn

Y NUKE?

ATTICA ATTICA ATTICA

Didn't you get the memo? Everyone is a qualified csi ql detective.

Show us what ya got!

to be honest i think the idea is to actually bust out cheaters, not just throw random accusations around. csi:ql gotta keep that trust from the community you know :)

but of course, show us what you got :D

They keep lurkin in the dark! so all you guys thinking to cheat might want reconsider!

approve noob admins, what is to fear? a consent by the more experienced players on esr?

this exposed shit is shit, it doesn't need consent any more than a turd. everyone knows it's a turd, and it smells.

exposed was just something to laugh at, and a discussion on it instead of the lol@gr8 posts in those old threads (on esr) could have been nice, but my post was about something different, a random accusation that has been copy/pasted by the director further down

you know why it's good to have a discussion on demos and accusations?

it's not. you either have a doubtless detection and send it to id, or don't.

implying id's detection is doubtless.

i think your sentence is missing a subject. i wonder what it is, since if you meant to say 'you are', your sentence wouldn't make any sense, since I'm not implying anything. I'm saying that you should not publicly discuss anyone being a cheater, that is, make accusations without being absolutely sure. if you are completely sure, the best course of action is have id, as only authority on the matter, make a judgement, and accept the outcome. doubtless or not, the outcome is more informed. without such basic respect, presumption of innocence and self-doubt, all you have is a bunch of newbies screaming hacks every other game and harassing decent players.

Cheating was already out of control in NA long ago, even more so with aliasing. Quake is dead.

Shutup.

Deal with it. You're the one still playing.

Shutup.

Dealwithit.

Its the same in eu, just not quite as bad. What do you play now instead?

Nothing. There isn't a replacement for Quake and other games don't hold my interest over time.

About the demo. At some point apparition is standing still facing a wall. After a short little while he suddenly fires a rocket at the wall. Just happens to be also exactly at the spot where his opponent was (behind the wall).

Thank you for watching. I am sorry I don't know how to use wolfcam on Mac or I would make it easier for everybody to watch on youtube. This was very shady when watching on stream it was the finals of Duelcraft online cup with cash prize. I thought apparition just flicked a rocket to the wall which is always suspicious. I couldn't believe what I saw with shownormals on. I knew undertaker12 has used HUD timers in the past but this was an obvious aiming bot to me.

where's draven? and are you from pointgaming? if you are, why are you accusing app or cheating? unless i'm reading this wrong lol

do you have any proof about the timers accusation?? It seems like a cheat that is impossible to prove unfortunately =/

just a random rocket if you ask me

Link is dead?

i once had striking evidence on 4 demos against a very well known player who cheats very sophisticated. my harddrive pretty much exploded the other day and that bastard got away with it. share that stuff with trustful people at first. if they confirm you can go public.

who?

yeah - who?

not gonna accuse people without evidence.

"striking evidence"

pussy*

agent*

The skill levels too damn high now, its nearly impossible to detect cheating from one demo or even a handful unless they really slip up and even then can always be explained as some random weird quake shit. If you play with people over enuff time on a (at the least) weekly basis you start to notice things...(pre shooting lg prediction correct waaay more often than anyone else, never mistiming ever, consistently locating you when you are in walk/silent/not visual etc etc). anyone that remembers the 2009 2v2 tdm scene in NA and played enough in it can probably name at least one cheater who was never caught! :|

Just the sad reality we face playing a online competitive videogame that has prize money tourneys and attracts lots of social outcast ego maniac types :p Anyone that thinks the number of cheats in comps is zero is fooling themselves unfortunately =/ its never zero.

Just gotta put it out of your mind and try to have fun.

Yeah, I agree with you. QL admins need to IP ban apparition_ AKA undertaker12 now.

wow, thats something new, having fun while being sodomized.

so true. it's a desert filled with egos and cheaters. but somewhere we can find the fun, right?...right?

http://www.twitch.tv/apparitionql/b/425507863?t=2m40s

Apparition responds..and removes any doubt that he cheated.

Well it makes perfect sense.

If you watch the video closely, ok? you will notice that soooo... basically, so he kills him, and, well basically it looks suspicious. but uhm. ok. well. I don't know I guess he put his four fingers on uuuhm.. WASD keys and basically uum and the thing is uhm... I think he moved his hand quickly and THE THING IS uuhm.. for some reason the g400 he can't explain it.

Basically he moved his hand too quickly but I don't know I have no idea why that looks uh. like that.

Crystal clear explanation, all doubts removed.

I've never been one to explain odd situations like that, especially on mic, clearly. It is true though. Multiple times throughout the demo as i showed on stream with wolfcam my crosshair was positioned at an incorrect place which is because of my incorrect predictions. If I were walling you'd see many more of those type of odd situations. Also I might point out that I would never use the shownormals cmd to prove that I wasn't cheating if in fact I really was. Hope that was clearer for you.

The burden of proof is with the accuser, not the accused. In my opinion, you should have never replied to such claims unless the evidence was conclusive. I know you mean well and all, but they'll use everything you say against you without hesitation or mercy. ;)

P. S.: Stop talking about your crosshair position! :P

P. S. 2: You don't need to use r_shownormals, Wolfcam has a cg_wh (or something) var that's much more convenient.

Eh, I guess that's true.

You cheat and be prepared to be banned.

Of course, a hacker like apparition would deny it.

He can't fool us.

that was awkward

@Pointgamer: I deleted your "Apparition response to cheating" thread.

1) This is not "a speculative cheaters of QL" forum.
2) I appreciate the energy you keep putting into proving he cheated, but your efforts seem preemptively biased and you're not approaching this in a professional and/or objective manner.
3) He made a video on twitch addressing the issue with r_shownormals. He addresses the cheating accusation moment directly and has explained it to the best of his ability. You know this because in your thread, you linked the VOD in your accusation link, so I am not entirely sure what your goal is.

If you are concerned about his cheating, I suggest you use the relevant Support section of Quake Live to report him, along with all relevant data you have collected that may prove that he is cheating.

Additionally, you may use the official QL forum to raise and collect support among your peers in being convinced that he cheats.

Actually, mods are supposed to delete hackusation threads immediately as it's against forum policy on the official QL forums.

support@quakelive.com is where all these complaints should be going to, not cluttering up ESR/QL forums.

cheating isn't a closed door issue, there's no reason why accusations/discussion threads on cheaters shouldn't be allowed here.

Can you comment on the twitch footage of the incident in question? I'm sure id has a lengthy list of known autofire bots and how they work, what to look for, etc.

Played Quake for years and cheating is what made me stop playing QL a couple years back. It was easy to just quit when the blatant cheaters showed up on a server but this kind of cheating is more disgusting IMO because you think you're playing against someone legit and then BAM they hit a couple of 'clutch' shots when they feel momentum shifting and that's the game. WIth this type of bot, the footage in question is the _only_ way you will ever catch a cheater who is picking his spots right.

Apparition's trashtalking of Erebux in the game that is highlighted in the Faceit spring video also becomes more interesting in light of this. I believe all of those clips came from the same Aerowalk game against Erebux where Apparition rocket jumps at Erebux repeatedly and hits direct rockets on him.

"Freedom... Hah!" (c) NSA

PointGamer plz send me the worry you have and I will get my boys on it ASAP!!


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