let's go Europe!
now more then ever the best talent in Europe has a great shot at placing high and repping the old continent (at least when it comes to Super SF4):
- Popi coming after a relatively fresh win @ Dreamhack over Infiltration (the current Evo champion and overall monster to beat in SSF4)
- Ryan Hart proved this year he can place very high in US-based tournaments
- Luffy & Alioune haven't proved themselves overseas yet, but they have a good record against the top Japanese that travelled to French events and you can never count them out

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justin wong? =PP

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nah, justin was never that big of a threat on international level. also he was born in china and moved to us at age 7 or some

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inb4 jamerio pretending stuff

This from the guy that hides behind an alias on the internet and won't share a single thing about his disaster of a life with the world.

Haha. How i enjoy ruining your online escape with superior intelligence and understanding of the one medium in life you felt comfy in.

And just think...I did it on purpose and for my own amusement :)

do tell, do you write that reply from scratch every time, or just copy and paste the same thing over and over again?

I must have hit a nerve!

strange that you would think that. what jamerio just wrote is nowhere out of the ordinary

his nerves get hit every day

now whos being delusional

breakdown of evo 2013:
sako safe-jumped his way through AE
chrisg soulfisted marvel

rest is up for grabz!! :DD

WhiteBlack from France beat ChrisG last week @ Next Level Battle Circuit #26 in a very tight set: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6-MRjBlqt0
accidents can happen, it's Marvel after all.

thats just the chrisg special; lose to a senortaxi and do a comeback from losers :D

Is Jamie "Evo" Williams attending?

can someone run down on what all the games are, cuz umvc3 are just a bunch of letters and a number glued together to me

[18:49] <@fraggyb> super street fighter 4 arcade edition
[18:49] <@fraggyb> super smash bros or smt
[18:49] <@fraggyb> street fighter x tekken
[18:49] <@fraggyb> king of the fighters
[18:49] <@fraggyb> persona 4 arena
[18:49] <@fraggyb> mortal kombat
[18:50] <@fraggyb> not sure what ttt2 is tho
[18:50] <@fraggyb> hmmm
[18:50] <@fraggyb> oh man
[18:50] <@fraggyb> tekken tag 2

+1, insightful

lol

smash bros - i don't get it.

A really expensive game to play...

no jamerio? i heard he almost defeated someone

I heard he had a 87% ratio of successfully booting up the game.

POPI
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I'm so looking forward to this awesomeness. Fighting games are almost as good as Quake! \o/

This is cool!

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YAMAZAKI

in before infiltration wins again.

fuck.

No BlazBlue. Uninteresting.

Ehh, I wish it was there, but hey you have kof and p4u.

whens marvel

ez for jam jam

senor taxi got this

So what's the deal with people from Great Britain and United Kingdom? Occasionally there is someone from England also. :S

that's how those players filled the registration form. there's even Isle of Man in there.

Is that like Whore Island for women?

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read: http://i.imgur.com/g70ZN8X.png

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yeah, that's why i didn't add up the numbers myself.

it was automated anyway with a Java+Selenium webdriver script that parsed the pool pages and counted players by flag code.

cuz murray won, everyones british now

i'm surprised he didn't cry when he won.

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Lol I'll never be ashamed to be from N.I. I'd be ashamed if I was English though biggest terrorists who ever existed.

I know you're trolling but please use some common sense.

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Do you know why the IRA was originally formed "gimp"?

square go ya rocket

Someone should have written down "What" as their country of origin.

any money in these trouneys?

yes, but prizes vary by attendance (money from registration fees), sponsorships and dev support. last year Street Fighter had a $25k prize pool, MK9 had 23k, Marvel had 15k etc.
i didn't find any info about this year though. it's not about the money anyway, Japan has the best players and their local tournaments are notoriously underprized.

damn those prize pools, even if its half for each, still good earning for those pro muricans driving to the event.

http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/last-m...ution-2013

do you know what version it is for super smash bros ?

brawl ? melee ?

melee. on CRT TVs from what i've heard
those fuckers are very serious about their smash :D

Regrettably, we’ve just been informed by Nintendo of America Inc. that we do not have permission to broadcast Super Smash Bros. Melee for Evo 2013. In light of this, we must make the following changes to the schedule.

Smash has been removed from the stream schedule and replaced with a mix of Persona 4 Arena and King of Fighters XIII
Smash Finals have been moved from Sunday to Saturday, 2:00 PM
Persona 4 Arena Finals have been moved to Sunday, 10:00 AM
King of Fighters XIII Finals have beem moved to Sunday, 12:00 PM

Nice job, Nintendo.

http://evo.shoryuken.com/2013/07/09/changes-t...-schedule/

...and now it's back on.

https://twitter.com/shoryukendotcom/status/354780021954588672

Evo 2013 is live :D:D:D

page with all 3 streams layout (ignore the schedule at the bottom, outdated from Evo 2012)

my top8 prediction for AE:

sako
haitani
daigo
infiltration
tokido
xian
justin wong
kazunoko

No Jamerio?

you got it mostly right. nice!

almost

TOP3 prediction:

1. Sako
2. Infiltration
3. Haitani

(Although I actually think it's more likely for Xian or Tokido to get 3rd over Haitani but I just want Haitani and Sako to top3 cause of their 3rd strike awesomeness)

SMASHHHH

ssf4 is so awesome to watch, really enjoyed it. tekken was too blurry on stream and generally seems less interesting. the others were too wtfwhatshappening and super smash bros, didnt know they still played that :D

all in all pretty cool to watch once the quarters/semis start :)

I spent quite a bit of time playing and learning SSF4:AE cause I had also played quite a lot of 3rd strike. As soon as you're familiar with the game and understand all the things at play it's awesome. To be honest the big tournaments in this game are EXTREMELY entertaining to me, I'm often glued to the screen.

same here, with the exception of me being a total noob in SF. but it's SO fun to watch....

Faceit SSF4:AE ladder/cups ... heard it here first

think sfxt would be better for online purposes =PPPPP

not on PC though.. game has buggy netcode

What about skull girls?

I think faceit could pickup a fighting game or two, I just watched street fighter and mvc3 the whole day and never even played them, shit's mad entertaining, even though I have no fucking clue what the casters are saying

Errh watch kof

as a non-player, spectator only for fighting games
my opinion was:


Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition -awesome to spectate
Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 - awesome to spectate
Smash - boring as fuck
Injustice - ok
Street Fighter x Tekken -boring
King of Fighter 13 - meh

What's funny is it goes like this for me :

Kof13 > tekken > smash > marvel > sfxt > ssf4ae > injustice

I caught the kof13 finals, that was actually fucking great

smash still garbage

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Shit, no Bala this year in kof 13. It's like Cooller wanted to attend quakecon but got no visa this year.

well if you're a kof player maybe

I'm not, but kof is the most exciting old school style game atm. Tekken is close to it's roots too but 3d is meh.

claming Bala is the equivalent of cooller when kof is as niche as warsow is to quake is kinda eh

Didn't know Smash Brothers was a competitive title? I'm pretty decent at it and would have loved to have a go.

I think it's super smash bros melee, I'd love to take part in one of these tourneys. Although I'm pretty bad at it... super smash bros 64 was my specialty

Someone create QL + SSB lan

Me and my friend played the 64 version to death whenever it came back and then when Melee came out for the GC we obviously made the transition. It's funny replaying it now and only realising just how much slower it is compared to Melee but at the time I didn't notice.

the up + B on luigi in smash 64 XD

when does the stream start today? 8PM US time?

it starts in half an hour
here's the schedule for the final day (there will be only 1 main stream for all games): http://shoryuken.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/...hedule.png

bah i just wanna see SF4, so that's not starting anytime soon... (4AM if i'm right)


Edit: i feel like there's a cooller syndrome in every game i watch. man want daigo to win but...

:D

Top8 brackets for the final day:
http://evo2013.s3.amazonaws.com/brackets/kof13_finals.html
http://evo2013.s3.amazonaws.com/brackets/ssbm_finals.html
http://evo2013.s3.amazonaws.com/brackets/gg_finals.html
http://evo2013.s3.amazonaws.com/brackets/mvc3_finals.html
http://evo2013.s3.amazonaws.com/brackets/ssf4_finals.html

http://www.twitch.tv/srkevo1 here we go! :D

KOF is great so far, really looking forward to SF4 finals later on though. Thanks for keeping us posted!

Those mexicans are just too much hype!

this bracket reset in KOF is insane

lol what a comeback, gg :>

KOF so good again, very exciting finals!

Fantastic!

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SSB Kirby stage:

lol!

Injustice was quite good, but never played that game. Didn't like the wager part though.

Killer Instinct looks okay, I never like the originals, I always though they looked amazing but were so slow and clunky to play.

I'm surprised there wasn't a Virtua Fighter game at EVO, I always thought that game was pretty 'hardcore'

Just reinstalled SSF4 AE again and realised the game still bores me.
WIll spec though. Its too hot to sleep :(

OMG, that justin/chris game!

did that just really happen,, retarded comeback haha

wow fuck, i'm a new fan of fighters now from that game, jesus fucking shit that was NUTS

I'll be subscribing for next year, I need to see all this in 720p+!

Has been some amazing games this year, and we still have the SF4 finals to go!

Might just be the greatest single match I have ever seen. Holy. Fucking. Shit.

link pls D:

TBE linked it below. WATCH IT. WATCH IT NOW.

fucking justin wong _DDDDDDDDDDDDDD

he dropped zero :(

FUCKING HAD IT

J U S T I N W O N G
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I don't think my heart can take the excitement. C'mon justin!

damn, great run justin

What a game! Shame Justin lost, but those throws/grabs he was doing with Akuma were something else, i was starting to think he might just comeback.

I'm glad there is a bit of a break before SF4, i need to calm down!

I used to hate that guy. Couldn't believe I found myself cheering for him tonight. Jeez. Thought to the last second he would come back. He did basically in all his games tonight. Hate him or not, he consistently delivers. What a legend.

kids clutch as fuck, except for dropping zero :(

but why did people hate him? got a wiki?

Justin dominated so hard in MVC2 that people were leaving the venue before grand finals :D

What Aquashark said. The guy was dominating the scene in a way I don't think any other game or sport can present a comparable example of. Don't think even Rapha comes close in QL. Maybe Federer in tennis or Flash in SCBW.

It was pretty damn inspiring, it's been a while since I've played fighters regularly but after this weekend I'm getting back into it in a big way. Just wish UMVC was out on the PC! I'll be putting some hours into SSF4AE though, that's for sure.

great finals
onto sf4 :)

So close. So fucking close. Hype as fuck finals, omg.

rooting for PR balrog

puerto rico, represent
also a big fan of the character

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rpeXsUR53g

hope he does alot better in the losers bracket :P

cmon daigooooooo

daigo = cooller

sf4 = f1
marvel = wacky races

Love 'em both though.

agreed

sf4 = vortex = HE'S MAKIN' A LEFT TURN (nascar)

btw whats the gerneral perception of s-linking? find it kinda lame tbh

I don't think I know what that is, I know p-linking, is it like that?

blinding the select button which enables you to p-link jabs. whenever you see sako do a jab after the tsumuji kicks for example

it's allowed. it's impossible to enforce a ban and gives you a marginal advantage anyway

Ah right, I never knew about that.

Does sound a bit lame if it cancels out the attack priorities, which it appears is the case from a quick bit of reading!

Edit: after a bit more reading, it sounds hard to do with a stick anyway. And to add to that, I was surprised to see people using pads, even in the UMVC finals.

Sako does it, as long as your stick has the select in a decent position I don't see what's wrong, mind you I think plinking is a bit silly.

he re-wired his joystrick to have access to his select where L1 used to be

nope, the hori fighting edge he uses lets you rebind the buttons.

oh okay

Japan free to Balrog focus & EX Headbutt? :D

that was absolutely bonkers. Hakan trending on Twitter

Amazingly close games so far! Shame I have to sleep, will be VOD for me tomorrow.

http://i.imgur.com/MIok4yD.jpg

Just one more match...

Glad I stayed up for that!

he should have picked fei long :<

tokido iis $$$

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPMP91FCAAEqgAx.jpg:large

fave evo sf4 match from today. the entire vid is worth watching. enjoy

umvc3 semis with wong vs chris g was also great
i'll post it when i find it

http://www.youtube.com/user/uwantsSSF4/videos all SF4 matches here

infiltration switching to that oiled up gimmick to beat balrog was fucking stellar.

balls.

Not really, it just shows how broken the game is where imbalances in the game design can win over actual skill for similar skilled opponents.

If they can't balance their games after 25 years, they never will.

Instead they keep releasing new characters which introduce the problem further and try to mask it with blind selects for online play.

it wasn't really a walkover, that game could have ended either way. all of the final brackets could have, pretty much. how could they balance so much characters in order to make everyone have equal chances vs everyone? it's not possible. otherwise some pro's would just play 1 character for 20 years without the need to learn anything besides...

daigo's ryu aside

Plus Hakan is considered to be at least on the bottom half of the tier lists, if not at the very bottom, by everyone really. That's the reason why the crowd went nuts with that pick and a sf4 player would laugh at someone saying Hakan is OP and "shows how broken the game is".

What infiltraton did -who btw won evo2012 and sf25- was counterpicking and selecting a character few people are used to. Jamerio should know all this if he is half as good as he says he is.

But... but... he almost beat a good player, once, in an online, non-competitive environment. That means he's the greatest SF prodigy ever and all his words should be taken for granted!

ouch gg

Hakan is at the bottom of the tier lists, but his tier list is irrelevant as his matchup against Balrog was obviously pretty strong for him to beat one of the best balrogs in the world with a character he hardly plays vs an opponent who was playing a top tier Balrog. Nice try.

Also by you admitting Hakan is at the bottom of the tier list, you have openly admitted the game is unbalanced, of which was my original point, so thanks for that, but as you can tell, I don't need any help here.

You said Infiltration was counter picking a character "FEW" people were used to, I would imagine the opponent he played against (PR BALROG) who finished 4th at EVO and was so serious about the game had been training it in Japanese Arcades would be ONE of the few people that would not be fooled by such a scrubby tactic. Nice try.

You have no IDEA why the crowd went mad, that is just something you tell the general public to bolster your point. Nice try.

"Jamerio should know all this if he is half as good as he says he is."

I did know this, but its retarded to say that someone who placed 4th at EVO and went training in Japan would be defeated by such a scrubby tactic. I thought YOU would have known this as you
even said "selecting a character few people are used to".
Like I said, its pretty safe to assume one of the FEW people who WOULD KNOW would be the guy that placed 4th and went training in Japan.

not even going full boldtard will save you now

The casters said Hakan is one of his secondary characters.

There will always be characters that are at the bottom, because perfect balance cannot be achieved (it's theoretically impossible) and there are design preferences as well (the devs themselves want some characters to be better than others). The difference is good balancing means that the bottom has a chance against the top, which is what happened.

Two of the beauties of having a good line up of characters are precisely counterpicking and that it isn't viable playing only one character. Hakan is one of the worst characters unless in very specific situations. Now, what his opponent should have done is changing his character.

Not even the best in the world know how to play all characters and Hakan is practically never picked, which is why he didn't have much experience against it. On this regard, Hakan isn't 100% guaranteed win against Balrog, not even 7/3, which is how you make it sound in order to imply PR should have had experience against it, but it isn't like that to the point it is still a very weird pick against Balrog.
For example, last year (or was it two years ago?) Justin Wong got schooled by gamerbee, who picked Adon At that time Justin mocked him for playing such a character and told him to play for real, live on stream, then Justin couldn't do a thing because he didn't know the intricacies of that character even less so the specific match up (option selects are of the essence, as you should know).

So what do you think made the crowd go mad? Please be specific.


Now that we know you don't have a clue about SF4, as you don't know about the very basics of tier lists, are you really sure you designed videogames? #158 doesn't reflect that.
And this time don't take days to reply when you are active on the site, which is weird knowing that you reply to every single post ever in the next 5 seconds (sounds like googling arguments up).


edit: btw aquashark, please post what do you think on this, expertise and all, especially on that Jamerio wrote Hakan is OP (read #140 and #141).

edit2: Actually I just searched about this and the whole interwebz is laughing at this, calling it the Hakan comeback since it truly is dan-like. Even PR Balrog acknowledged that on his twitter.

The casters said Hakan is one of his secondary characters.

And you said Hakan is one of the worst in the game. Infiltrations main characters are Ryu/Akuma. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=...amp;page=1
Look at the preview videos, virtually everyone is Ryu and Akuma, and the only one that you can see straight away of Hakan is this tourney that he counter picked.

There will always be characters that are at the bottom, because perfect balance cannot be achieved (it's theoretically impossible) and there are design preferences as well (the devs themselves want some characters to be better than others). The difference is good balancing means that the bottom has a chance against the top, which is what happened.

"Its theoretically impossible to balance a fighting game"

LAUGHS and who are you to make such a statement?

There are PLENTY of balanced characters and matchups in SSF4.
If there are any unbalanced ones then the design is flawed, NOTHING MORE. To somehow imply its theoretically impossible to design a balanced fighthing game is hilarious. Capcom have clearly made TONS of design errors, as is pointed out by them addressing things the community has pointed out. I have worked with game devs before on a fighthing game, a lot of them can't even play the game to within a frction of its potential, so how can they be expected to design one that's universally balanced, you can only do that if your designers are experts, of which most are not. So while its hard to design a balanced fighter, saying its theoretically impossible is lulz.

Two of the beauties of having a good line up of characters are precisely counterpicking and that it isn't viable playing only one character. Hakan is one of the worst characters unless in very specific situations. Now, what his opponent should have done is changing his character.

Infiltration ONLY picked Hakan because PR Rogs boxer was too strong for his main two chracters who are Ryu/Akuma. Saying Hakan is one of the worst characters unless in very specific circumstances is dumb because with PR ROG using balrog those very specific circumstances were why he picked Hakan. Unless you're dumb enough to believe that someone who placed 4th at EVO and trained in Japan would be outfoxed by nothing more than picking an infrequently played chracter, gien these guys play the game professionally.

Not even the best in the world know how to play all characters and Hakan is practically never picked, which is why he didn't have much experience against it. On this regard, Hakan isn't 100% guaranteed win against Balrog, not even 7/3, which is how you make it sound in order to imply PR should have had experience against it, but it isn't like that to the point it is still a very weird pick against Balrog.
For example, last year (or was it two years ago?) Justin Wong got schooled by gamerbee, who picked Adon At that time Justin mocked him for playing such a character and told him to play for real, live on stream, then Justin couldn't do a thing because he didn't know the intricacies of that character even less so the specific match up (option selects are of the essence, as you should know).

That's only part of the discussion, it does not change the fact that PR Rog was playing a world class Boxer and had gone to Japan to train. These guys have played THOUSANDS of games vs every chracter at a high level. Justin Wong example is flawed, as the game had not been out anywhere near long back then then.

So what do you think made the crowd go mad? Please be specific.

I would not be dumb enough to publically state what 1000's of people thought based on nothing more than a cheer anymore than I would say its impossible to design a balanced fighting game

Now that we know you don't have a clue about SF4, as you don't know about the very basics of tier lists, are you really sure you designed videogames? #158 doesn't reflect that.
And this time don't take days to reply when you are active on the site, which is weird knowing that you reply to every single post ever in the next 5 seconds (sounds like googling arguments up).

Still so cocky, despite you getting continually destroyed. How charminly south american. Still think you know what 1000's of people think on nothing more than a cheer. Still think fighthing games are impossible to balance? Do you notice a running theme here?



edit: btw aquashark, please post what do you think on this, expertise and all, especially on that Jamerio wrote Hakan is OP (read #140 and #141).

Why do you need his word for anything, Aquashark tried to imply the game is balanced by giving an example which only showed half the data. SSF4AE 2012 has 39 characters, yet his example mentioned the top 21, that shows nothing, given there is still nearly half the data missing.


edit2: Actually I just searched about this and the whole interwebz is laughing at this, calling it the Hakan comeback since it truly is dan-like. Even PR Balrog acknowledged that on his twitter.

Laughing? PR Rog had beaten Infiltrations Akuma, which is a god tier character played by the most successful SSf4 player in the last year, who is ranked best in the world. Seth K ex dev of the game said if Hakan was constantly oiled up HE WOULD BE THE BEST IN THE GAME. So there is a fine line, when hakan is oiled he can be dangrous as he proved.

Can you name one multiplayer game that is perfectly balanced for all match ups and situations?

You forgot to quote my counterpicking and changing characters argument, which were underlined. Guess you agree with that?
In order to make myself clear, point is both are a part of making a balanced game, specifically that it is perfectly fine to have bad match ups (rock paper scissors has been applied in games for decades) and that players should be encouraged to play more than one character (can't win with rock? try scissors instead and doesn't mean paper is OP).

I gave you a specific example of someone who did fall on that trap the very year before and happens to be the first or second best in all that genre, ever.

I'll repeat the same question since you didn't answer it before: "So what do you think made the crowd go mad? Please be specific".

Finally, do you still believe Hakan is OP? Yes or no answer, and if Yes please quote your sources.


This post has 4 questions. Lets see to how many you'll reply directly to -I'll list them afterwards to check the results-, instead of the usual derailment and swearing.
(btw I really do imagine a 400pounds 40yo man on his bro's basement shaking his arms uncontrollably because he got caught writing silly stuff on the internet, which he did to get attention).

I actually predicted this in comment #2

That assumes Megafail was right. Guess what, he got smoked.

Face it guys, you're out matched by me. I get you have nothing to contribute while I'm around.

That will inevitably breed resentment and a host of tactics you try to dispell me.

You are behaving exactly how I predicted years AGO. And guess what, it was all intentional too. Why are you needed when I am around??

You're not.

Can you name one multiplayer game that is perfectly balanced for all match ups and situations?

Quake. There is no perfectly balanced fighthing game because the people who develop them are not good enough to make one. That's something which could be addressed by putting together a proper team made up of fighthing game experts. It has NOTHING to do with being theoretically impossible, which was your unconvincing attempt at sounding like an authority on something.

You forgot to quote my counterpicking and changing characters argument, which were underlined. Guess you agree with that?
In order to make myself clear, point is both are a part of making a balanced game, specifically that it is perfectly fine to have bad match ups (rock paper scissors has been applied in games for decades) and that players should be encouraged to play more than one character (can't win with rock? try scissors instead and doesn't mean paper is OP).

In an ideal fighthing game every character would be realistically possible to beat a similar skilled opponent whoever they pick.
At present due to inferior game design, SSF4AE has design holes in it that make this impossible to every character. I don't see any other issue, most people counter pick to get around bad matchups, which is a consequence of flawed game design.

I gave you a specific example of someone who did fall on that trap the very year before and happens to be the first or second best in all that genre, ever.
Justin Wong did not even make top 10 this year, like I said, Adon was a VERY new matchup in SSF4 when Justin lost, you made a flawed comparison as PR Rog has HAD YEARS to play SSF4, Justin wong at that time had months. So your argument was flawed....AGAIN

I'll repeat the same question since you didn't answer it before: "So what do you think made the crowd go mad? Please be specific".

I'll repeat the answer again as your tiny brain seems unable to comprehend what I said the first time. I would not like to assume what people thought based on nothing more than a cheer, especially given the EVO crowds are notoriously loud and scream all the time.

Finally, do you still believe Hakan is OP? Yes or no answer, and if Yes please quote your sources.

I never actually said Hakan was overpowered. I simply used the opportunity to say that the game is unbalanced. That Infiltration just beat the best boxer in the world with a character he he plays a fraction of the time. We already know the game is universally unbalanced, we already know certain characters have little or no chance of beating others over 10 games regardless of player skill. If you don't believe me, get Vangief to play Pongkoo in a set of 10 and see what happens.

This post has 4 questions. Lets see to how many you'll reply directly to -I'll list them afterwards to check the results-, instead of the usual derailment and swearing.
(btw I really do imagine a 400pounds 40yo man on his bro's basement shaking his arms uncontrollably because he got caught writing silly stuff on the internet, which he did to get attention).

You lying again, last week you said I was 33, now I'm 40 and 400lbs?

I'm early 30's with a 34 inch waist. The more I push you the more absurd, irrelevant and desperate you get, you're dealing with a white, british fighthing game expert from Britain.

It was never going to end well for you :)

lol

Quake, really? Which one? Vanilla or modded?
Still would be weird for you to say that, considering you practically don't know how to play them at all, as your videos and QL account clearly show.

Nope.

Still is the #1 or #2 in the whole genre, so he knew how all those games work.

Still dodging the question.

It's unbalanced only if you play one character.

I didn't say you are 33. Link?

Quake, really? Which one? Vanilla or modded?

How about VANILLA based on the core game isexactly the same for every player.

Samy physics
Same guns
Same levels

Seeing you could not make that connection without being told I won't take the rest of your nonsense seriously.

I think that's pretty much it.

1.- You call Q1 balanced?
QW?
Q2?
Vanilla Q3?
Q4?
2008 QL?


2.- In quakes there is a similar mechanic to counterpicking, which consists on using each weapon's strength on each situation. Hitting 90% lg to someone airborne using rockets doesn't mean the rocket launcher is UP (a good player will tell you it actually is the best weapon on the game) and the LG loses to most weapons in close quarters, so players have to choose which weapon to use on each situation.

The same happens in fighting games: can't win against all characters (weapons) if you only use one character (one weapon), so players should be able to play more than one. If he wants to become the champion then PR Balrog shouldn't be handicapping himself by using only Balrog and strenx simply cannot use LG all the time (which he used to do).

That is good balancing, not a flaw.


3.- A good measure for balancing the game and making people play different characters is precisely to make them have counterpicks. This means not only the characters have particular traits, such as gief's grabs, but also are weak to characters that their particular trait counters them, such as Akuma.

The reasons why Hakan is considered to be one of the worst characters of the game by everyone, even though Jamerio thinks he is OP (#141), are that he gets countered by the top picks, has bad match ups with most of the roster and overall is a risky pick (rewarded when it works, if it doesn't work then it's an humillating defeat). A character that exemplifies the first point is Makoto, which overall is a better character than Hakan but it truly suffers against what happen to be the current top picks with the 2012 patch.


4.- And again, you are really overestimating the Hakan against Balrog match up if the Balrog player is used to playing against that very much underplayed character.

"In quakes there is a similar mechanic to counterpicking, which consists on using each weapon's strength on each situation."

Its not similar AT ALL, because in quake everyone has the EXACT same opportunities. Its down to them whether they utilise them.
Its like both players picking ryu, if you lose, you lost for no other reason than being a weaker player than your opponent. There was no matchup to blame, no bad design in matchups to blame, its 100% your fault.

In Street FIghter, those opportunities are defined by who you pick, and from there, if there is a conflict in styles then you simply won't win that game based on little more than a bad matchup unless you get lucky or your opponent plays a bad game.

Quake is essentially Ryu Vs Ryu.

And it's up to players to pick a different character. Everyone has the exact same opportunities for that.

Street Fighter is a game that has lots of characters: the game is not called Balrog v. the rest.
Quake is the same too, since it is not LG against rockets and choosing to go LG-only is a handicap in certain situations, which good players avoid.

Are you really, really sure you designed videogames? What I'm writing here is the opinion of literally everyone on the industry, the 101 on manuals and how videogames and sports are made, fine-tuned and played (have you ever heard the term clash of styles?) since....ever really.
This thread not only tells me you didn't, as a confirmation of the personality disorders thread, and that you have no clue about street fighter, a game you claimed you were good at (same as what you claimed with quake and trackmania really, both busted), but also tells me you have absolutely no clue about sports.

"And it's up to players to pick a different character. Everyone has the exact same opportunities for that."

Online play uses blind selects so, its a lottery.
You don't know who the opponent has picked, so if there is an unbalanced matchup, its basically down to luck who you both picked.

That is EXACTLY why capcom coded in blind selects, they did it to randomise the situation they were unable to fix with talent.

The problem with it is, after a while, players remember who uses who, and whose good with who, so regardless of the blind selects, players will still counter pick based on opponent knowledge.

And you're back to square one again.

I already know every possible avenue you can go with this and already have the answer. You just don't think I do :)

Like I keep saying, the only solution is to fix the game, that way, counter picking will be entirely useless because everyone will have a near equal chance of winning.

As I said, that's impossible if there's more than one character.

The more I read your posts (yes I did read these) the more I think I'm discussing with a child, because you really write and think like one.

"As I said, that's impossible if there's more than one character."

As I said its not impossible because there ARE ALREADY many matchups which are perfectly acceptable in terms of matchup WITH DIFFERENT CHARACTERS.
The problem Capcom have is they keep adding new characters instead of actually thinking about the existing problems.
If they can do it for some, they can do it for all with enough work.

I'm the child?
You just got smoked in front of the entire world, I'm apparently the child because I refuse to accept that a dev cannot balance a game, when they have already balanced a large portion of it to within an acceptable level.

Its quite amazing the things you tell yourself about other people when you get smoked on a topic you never thought you would.

But if it stops you from killing yourself then I'm glad for you.

Read #184 and tell me it's not something written by someone who has 16 years old and that sucks at school.

There is nothing in that statement that says that, however, if you read your post above where you lie about my age, weight, living quarters, I would say that is far more fitting with your 16yr old analogy.

Ever heard of something called a "4pool", "Proxygate" or "Proxy-Rax"?

Starcraft?
Really?

One of, if not THE most balanced MP games in history Starcraft:BW. Players like Flash, Jaedong, JangBi, Bisu lost to these cheesy tactics on a regular basis.
Buildorder wins are part of the game.
We could load up the game and I would beat you 9 out of ten times with these tacticts.
Is the game imbalanced? No.

We're talking about tactics related to SF, not starcraft.Totally different games.

Capcom have tried to balance the game and failed, that is the difference.

It's about the concept of countering a tactic, no?

The guys casting that match called that one character the 'hard counter' to that other character and I take it these guys (and the player obviously) have better insight than you. So what is your point?

"countering a tactic" is different to countering flawed game design.
I don't consider that a sign of talent or skill or a respected game.

What are you on about?
One weapon/tactic/character counters the other one. That is not a flaw.
Agressive returns are the counter to serve&volley play.
Is the game design of tennis flawed?

"Is the game design of tennis flawed?"

You still don't get it do you?

Tennis IS NOT flawed because both players have pretty much the exact same opportunities, whether you execute them or not is down to you.

in Street Figther, you are almost physically prevented from being able to effectively counter certain scenatios depending on nothing more than who you pick.

So using your tennis example, it would be like one person being unable to do a drop shot while the other can.

The way the game would TRY to 'balance' that is the guy that CAN do the drop shot will maybe have a tiny bit less speed so the guy without the dropshot would have to try and exploit that, but the chances are, the impact of an opponent being unable to do a dropshot is easier to exploit than a bit more faster run speed. Or reverse it if you think its the opposite. The point is, the things the game try to do to balance things out are not always sufficient. So when you have two high level players, what determines the winner? The game design. Not the talent.

So both players will try to exploit their characters weakness, but one weakness will be naturally superior to the other before they even begin play.

And this is the problem with street fighter, the skill and talent should be in winning fair and square, not simply picking someone you know the game has discriminated towards.

Yoiu're still not getting the concept.

The concept should not exist.

PR Balrog had 2 set points, both with considerable life leads. he went in taking very big risks or doing telegraphed moves when he should have sit on the lead.

also top32 had 21 unique characters (not counting the secondaries used).

"also top32 had 21 unique characters (not counting the secondaries used)"

in a game that has 39 characters over a 25 year franchise that proves nothing. Most of them use secondaries to deal with the matchup issues.

here's the justin wong game i was talking about

I must have re-watched this around 10 times before it completely sunk into me how absolutely epic that was.

which game was it where justin wong clutches with akuma?

vs ChrisG @ 2-2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcl53RKtFm4#t=11m30s
vs Flocker @ 2-2 (1st set) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl_FH_ojpac#t=9m30s

the Marvel top8 intro video from Sunday was amazing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpLTztmOXFQ

Yeh, excellent video.

I'm hoping there will be some good events to watch soon, I'm totally hooked now!