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Targetquake will be running all of the Quake Live events under the Esport Solutions name. Some of the game types we will be running are:

DUEL
FFA
CTF
TDM
FT
RACE
InstaCTF
InstaFT
PQL DUEL

and we will probably do some weird mod stuff too just for fun in the wee hours of the morning!

still in time to get sponsored for an epic TONY FFA SPECIAL

lol tony

man you should totally get on skype and provide a special message of honor to the ffa winner as a BEST PRIZE EVER

You should atleast commentate the ffa final via skype!

wait... wtf... you're going to have a shitmania competition at quakecon?

Thats Weird indeed ;-)

I just had a deja vu.... someone once said a similar thing to me.....

I think it was earlier today... or yesterday... or the day before or just before that.... or perhaps ALL of them.

also ql netcode is fine

Well that depends on your view point...

If you would want ql to become a brainless +forward LG only game where fucking up your connection most means winning the game (as it is now).... then yes it's an awesome netcode.

If however you would like to keep a fine balance which almost equals the balance of lan games.... well then it's not :)


But I've said the things I wanted to about the netcode... and the community is (really) slowly comming to see that I'm right though.... ( I do read some post at times to time.... and I chat with some of the pro's / semi pro's as well...
They don't all realize it yet.... but they are slowly starting to believe I'm right :) )

you're wrong, netcode is fine

Explain to me why and how I'm wrong then?

the bullshit is much less if at all noticeable in 2v2 and 4v4 because of the scarceness of ammo and lower average stacks (sg and pq actually become weapons and can take a shafter down). so you saying that it's solely the fault of netcode does not hold when the problem can be fixed by adjusting the maximum ammo given or adjusting weapon behavior principles for example.

BUT I agree that it's horse shit in duel. way too much ammo, way too high stacks. + the weapon diversity in fights sucks.

I agree with it being less important in other modes than duel.
Mainly because fights don't last as long.

Doesn't change that it's wrong though.

You're right on the netcode. Warp is the new blue bug

I think you're delusional. Afaik the 'pros' and 'semi-pros' as you call em don't care one bit about your asumptions on the netcode and they're all fine with it.

It just amazes me that you can't cope with learning how to play with it. I learned to play on the OSP netcode, I learned to play on the cpma netcode, and on the ql netcode. Every one of them have a different feeling, indeed, but whate the fuck, just play the damn game, get used to it and stop complaining !

You seem to think as if I was born yesterday and only played quakelive....
I also played OSP and CPMA and especially OSP was great.
I also, among other games, played quake4 and a bit of the UT series. All of which are fine to play online. (Although the quake4 lg took some adjusting ;p)

But the combination of quakelive with an unlagged LG is just raping the game. At least for high level duelling.

Anyway I've already said why and how this happens...
I don't really like to repeat myself (although it seems like you all want me to so desperately by bringing it up over and over and making the same posts etc.).

Btw ffa is pretty fun ;)



also the reason why I can't cope with learning how to play with it is because I refuse to fuck up my connection to force my opponent to play a different game. And I won't ever screw up settings / hardware in order to mess up my opponent.
Next to that I also refuse to alter my game when my opponent does fuck up his settings (which makes me lose to people who warp or play agressive with lg on a reasonably high ping).

Just see it as a part of the game, like weapon balance and everything else.

Whining while gaming is....weird.

but then the way to improve at the game is to make your internet worse.... which I don't wanna do.

Also I would have to play different if my opponent pings 60 than when he pings 20... which I also don't want to do.

I've thought about how it influences the game... and I dislike how it influences the game :)
Imo it's wrong.
And unless someone can give me a valid point why this, and not my proposed, netcode is good.... I won't change my opinion.

I dislike the idea that the game changes when things out of your own control change (nmy connection).

Quake live relies on "security through obscurity" (which is bad for a variety of reasons).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_through_obscurity

This is one of those things. Most don't know how to exploit the bad netcode so it remains unfixed.

Therefore I ask: explain exactly what to do to take advantage of the bad netcode.

Then everybody can test to see if what you are saying is true and there might be a bigger appeal to QuakeLive to fix this.

Also if true and everybody actually starts doing it the devs will have no other option than to finally try to fix it. (It also levels the playing field while it remains unfixed.)

for those who are willing to make an effort to understand how it works (they can think up how to take advantage of it themselves) I wrote a post on esr describing pretty much how it works.

If you had commented on your own account I would've send an i-msg with how to abuse it...
But I really don't want to publically force ID into doing something I've been asking them to do since 2009...

I mean... I would like it if they hired me to work on their games :D

>>> If you had commented on your own account I would've send an i-msg with how to abuse it...

Not what I am after. It's everybody or nobody.

I understand you position, though I do not agree. The only way to "fix" a problem to do with a "security through obscurity" policy is to _publicly_ expose the flaws.

Currently a few "in the know" can abuse the system at the expense of everybody else.

(I know you have written about this before on here, but I cannot be bothered to research this. I am not a cheater. - Although it could be argued that technically this is not cheating.)

I know how it works....

But let's assume that I tell everyone how to fuck up their settings such that they win games.... They do so.... And ID doesn't fix it!

Tada I killed quake.


I don't wanna be the man to put the nail in the coffin....

I would appreciate it if ID would actually listen to me... I'd appreciate it even more if they hired me to give advice / work on a competitive FPS. One that tries it's best to remove all latency issues and also keeps the fluentness and responsiveness of quake.

That is a good point. QuakeLive is no Google or Microsoft or Apple. They're probably working with small margins and it wouldn't take a lot going wrong for it to topple. The release of Reborn (the way 2GD originally envisioned it) would probably do it. Maybe you should talk to them, make sure they're doing it right? ;)

I've offered my help to both ID-software and 2GD...

They would be wise to at least let me sit down with a developer that can understand synchronised systems.

But I haven't heard from either of them :(

If they want to reach me they know where I am...

Thats Weird indeed ;-)

omfg deja vu all over again :D

Weird huh?

OT: It's just a game, I'm amazed that people can skim through the whole text, ignore the fact that they are sponsoring QL ALONG with other games and all you see is DUUUR I DON'T LIKE GAME.

Pathetic.

"ignore the fact that they are sponsoring QL ALONG with other games"
It doesn't say that anywhere it sais that the developers sponsor their own game. Aka ubisoft provides prizes for shootmania and not for QL.

Apparently that I 'skim through the whole text' is still infinitely better than your attempt at reading it.

Pathetic


(or do you mean that qcon allows sponsored tournaments to run along side of eachother?? That's fine ofcourse but then your reply still doesn't really make all that much sense)

Maybe not directly sponsoring, but in some form supporting a lot of titles, along with QL.
Yes you are infinitely better at bitching about something irrelevant.

yes please insult me more for being right and pointing it out.

That I'm not acting polite to you is due to your own first post man... if you had written a sane comment without insults I would've most probably replied in a more dignified form.

Heck I even wrote a somewhat lame reply to easytarget because I was anoyed about your random whine and dem0n's delusional comment.

I don't understand why I get bitched at for being right. It's lame :(

What insults? What are you talking about?

ok here's how I read it:
It's just a game, I'm amazed that people don't take any effort, be ignorant about some fact you make up and all you see is DUUUR I DON'T LIKE GAME.

Pathetic. where pathetic obviously refers back to the described attitude

I find that insulting.
First to assume that I make a post without reading.
Secondly you try to argue that by blurting out something which is factually wrong.
And eventually you find that pathetic.

Yes I think it's pathetic that you ignored the whole post just so you can express your aversion towards a stupid game. You are now trying to pull of the semantics card and defining what an insult is. Just stop and give yourself a pat on the back for being mad because something you don't like is being played on a LAN you won't even attend.

Oh good lord you're on a good path if you find that post insulting.

this last post doesn't claim anything about me other than that I commented on a part of the origional post.
Which is true.... I'm not going to write whole pages covering each possibility for every game blabla bla etc. etc. .
Nobody does that on a forum.

Also I don't have any personal vendetta against shootmania. I've written some post about how it could (imo) be better at what it's trying to do. And I'm not entirely sure if they changed stuff since (it was just after the DH I went to as I got a beta key there and I do know that they changed some stuff before it became a full game but I didn't read up on it).
But it's strange to see it on quakecon because the general consensus of quake players is that it's 'kind of bad' (to express it mildly).

yes please insult me more for being right and pointing it out.

Don't stoop to Jamerio level. Not cool.

I second this.

I can't man I never won any bafta awards nor set a shitload of world records in games which didn't have any world records in them...

netcode is your keyboard jammed behind the desk

If you know anything about the history of Quakecon you would not ask that question. Here is a little history lesson for you. Quakecon was not originally run by idsoftware, it was actually a handful of guys who would once a year get together and play games on a small impromptu network that they built using pc's that they had brought with them to a hotel in Texas. The first year the idsoftware team heard about this and decided to pay them a visit and chat with them because the players were playing Quake and Doom and that they were all associated within the computer industry. idsoftware did not actually have anything to do with the first #Quakecon event, but they did sponsor the second one with a grand total of 650 attendees. The BYOC is now know as a massive LAN where thousands of people come to play a ton of different games together, it has become a very interesting and neat experience that i recommend you come to if you can it is the largest free LAN in the world! You can find a full history on QuakeCon ---> HERE

Yes and if I didn't write the above post but someone with a different nick did you would've probably +'ed him.......

Doubt it i do not hand out +'s unless it really is warranted or someone actually makes me laugh from their post.

wait... wtf... you're going to have a shitmania competition at quakecon?

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Seriously?

yep :<

"We have worked very hard at featuring some new games"

theres a reason why loadout is not played at lans (just a hint: its shit)

TBH i have never played the game so i can not reply to your comment, however we do have an admin who has played it and will be assisting the dev's in running this event at QCON. The BYOC has now morphed into something bigger then Quake and Doom, it is a great place to get a ton of feed back to game dev's on a specific game being developed which also is why we are running some of these games. It helps the game improve by massive amounts in a very short time by exposing it to a lot of people at once and getting that feedback to improve the game.

I rather join a div2 team with 3 warpers as mates than a div1 team with proper connection... Thats how Much warping is an advantage imo..

Hi Wierd :D

Urban Terror? Awesome.

TTimo's idea, he's going to help with it.

call it TargetQuake and tell the rest of these kiddy games to take a hike!

ROFL Thanks for the love higgs made me laugh when I saw that post. Cant wait to get down there on Wednesday and start setting up!