the higher the fov the faster you go
moving faster makes us stronger

fov 360 = insta win

Why are you not using fov 1000 in the current year of 2013?

http://strlen.com/gfxengine/fisheyequake/compare.html

I want FishEye in QL now !!!!!!

Kappa

130 master race

cg_fov 95
cg_zoomfov 55
cg_zoomSensitivity .9

I recommend brain.

i would recommend fov 103 for everything.

I'm personally using for 100, I needed some time to adapt at first, but once you're used to it it's pretty much perfect really.

(went from fov 110 to fov 100 some years ago)

and as you did already, you can also use +zoom especially for rail. I personally have zoomfov 50 for long range rails, and so far it has been working great.

Could somebody explain me why I should scale my sens, when using a different fov? Shouldn't I be able to perform a 180 degree turn, if my sens stays the same, no matter what the fov is?

Hopefully lorfa will chime in with the technical details but I'll give it a shot. Yes, your sensitivity should still perform the same 180 degree turn on 50 fov as it would on 90 fov. However, as a lower fov makes the enemy model appear larger on your screen I find that using a slightly lower sensitivity helps keep my aim steady when zoomed.

As naper said, your sensitivity will stay the same.

A different sensitivity for a zoomed FOV is usually used due to the fact that you'll tend to be farther from your opponent. When zooming for rails, you may be doing some long distance railing in which case it's best have a lower sensitivity so that you can very precisely place your crosshair.

This can, however, be a detriment as you would have to get used to 2 different sensitivities. It's possible to scale your zoom fov/normal fov to your zoom sensitivity/normal sensitivity so that moving your mouse X distance looks the same when you zoom.

Let me explain further. When you zoom, and you move your mouse, it seems as if your view is shifting a farther distance relative to what you see when in reality you are turning the same number of degrees. Having a lower sensitivity can offset this feeling.

Now, all of this is with respect to zoom sensitivity, but it can just as easily be applied to how you setup your FoV and sensitivity for different weapons.

Ultimately, it's up to the individual. I personally don't like a different sensitivity when zoomed, or in a different FoV but that's because I'm not very good with my main sensitivity and I don't feel that I need to give myself something else to learn.

If the fov is changed by greater than a certain amount, and you keep the sens the same, it will feel _horrible_.

For example if you have fov 100, and then set fov 60, but keep the same sensitivity, your sens will feel so high as to be out of control.

This is because with 100 you're making a 360 in 3.6 "screens", and at 50 in 7.2 "screens". So the same sensitivity will change the whole screen twice as fast.

You'd get a similar sensation just doubling your sensitivity!

So to correct for this you use this here fancy algorithm:

sens * k

k = arctan[ 0.75 * tan[cg_zoomfov/2] ] / arctan[ 0.75 * tan[cg_fov/2] ]

Use this here template to make things easier, just replace 100 with the high fov and 50 with the low fov. Take care to leave the degrees symbol.

Now you will have the same number of screens changed by your sensitivity, which is almost half for 100 fov vs. 50 fov (it's definitely not half though due to the pinch effect).

This makes the sens at least feel normal when zooming in, even if it's different.

For small changes in fov, for example if you have the rail at 90 fov, the lg at 95 fov, and the rocket at 100 fov, you might be able to get away without changing the sensitivity, and take advantage of the fact that your degrees per distance on the mouse remains consistent.

When I used different fovs for different weapons I believe I tried out both and decided that I liked the scaled sens version better. Depends on the person though.

Fine. I have the explanation for 5 year olds, you have the explanation for adults. :)

Maybe you were just more clear and concise! :-)

No no, equations are clear and concise, but I'm used to dumbing down math for people.

human eye cant see more than 24 fov

lol

and then 120hz for a wider view Kappa

You mean at one given moment? But human eye can move fast!

Also that could only be focus. actually in the periphal vision we can see more in a lot higher frequency

For all weaps ideas:

90 because it's 360/4! Like Cypher sometimes, and av3k, and certainly old school ZeRo4 (don't know if he's still a 90 guy).

92 as appeared in some of evil's configs!

93 because it's used by cypher sometimes and some other players!

95, like spart1e! A nice between value between 90 and ~103.

96 360/3.75 !

100 because it's the QL default, and exactly middle for the 'between' values I recommend, that is use a fov between 90 and 110.

102 because arQon said it was the best fov although he never said why!

102.5 like strenx!

102.857142857 which is 360/3.5 ! (3 and a half screens in a 360)

103 like stermy and dahang, nowadays rapha, and so very many other players.

110 like early rapha! (360/3.25 ~110.769230769)

Let me translate Lorfa into something simpler.

Anywhere between 90 and 110 FoV is good enough for the pros, so it should be good enough for you!

I remember seeing in another thread that some Australian player used something like cg_fov 78 or something!

And where has that gotten him? :)

No idea, can't remember the username. Don't think it was fraze though :p

Daler played very well in a tournament using fov 69.

I also know a strong player that uses 100 for the LG, 80 for the RL/PG/SG and 55 for the rail.

Different strokes I guess!

Pls tell who that is ,sounds ridic ! :)

isabadmutha, the LG master!!

Never heard of him and i doubt it :) Interesting setup tho

daler was a us cpm player iirc, beat fatal1ty twice @ quakecon 2002, lost the finals to lexer. always had some shitty cap on.

or he wasn't originally a cpm player, dunno, i remember him beating z4 at some cpm tourney at the time

he played both cpm/osp in 02, and i believe he mostly played cpm in 03.
guy was a huge faggot
he had no qualms about getting my team ping raped for a tournament match.
we ended up losing to his team in the final second on the deciding map :/

lol plz

Just ideas from the pros! Not necessarily better for anyone in particular : )

ooh, just realized that you didn't take into account their r_modes and whether they use gpu scaling to get those sexy black bars.

If I'm in 4:3, I'mma gonna needa larger FoV :)

..or not! Since higher resolution lessens the perceived effect of fov, and 16:10 and 16:9 tend to be at higher resolutions.

higher resolution, thats a load of bs. Only thing changing ur perception would be screen estate.

Used to have 103.5 since when I started playing I had stermy's cfg.
Recently I tried to lower the FOV, thought I'd reduced it by 10, so it was 95, it was 85 instead. Now I have 95 just to have something inbetween, but I can truthfully say it does not affect my aim or movement whatsoever.

Have you tried zoom shafting? Seems like some people are convinced that it's the reason strenx joutshaftes people so often.

It's ok if the other guy doesn't try to switch range, but I don't like it.

Switched to 110,medium accel and drawgun 1 ,luv it! Now i feel that forze !

One thing I should mention is that FoV can also be tied in to what resolution scaling the players use. Even in the most recent quakecon, you saw some players with 4x3 (with black bars on the sides) on 16x10/16x9 monitors ( don't know which they used ).

It would make sense for a player to be using say 100 with 4x3 (black bars), and if they used 16x10, they might actually use 95 or 90 FoV.

The higher the resolution the less the effect of fov is felt.

I mean 110 is a completely different animal at 1600x1200 than it is at 640x480.

Also yeah, a different aspect ratio is sure to affect the way that fov is perceived.

Ok, explain this to me. Is it not the same visual angle?

Are you speaking purely of a subjective effect?

Purely of a subjective effect.. as far as I know.

It has to be the same angle and it most likely is, but try it, it's weird :-)

I have an issue with my resolutions anyways.

I can have either 16:10 at 60hz, or a lower resolution 5:4 at 75hz. The 75hz, even though it's most probably interpolated with additional input lag, subjectively feels superior. Unfortunately, I can't use gpu scaling and stay at 75hz, so it's just 5:4 stretched to 16:10. Keel looks fatter than TankJr.

Pisses me off cause I want the better feeling 75hz, but everything is stretched. I need a new monitor :(

Why not turn the stretching off? That should definitely be possible, but perhaps you don't like the black bars.

Lorfa, the only way I've figure out to turn the stretching off is to force gpu scaling on the video card, but then it doesn't let me do 75hz, probably due to the fact that it's old as hell and the drivers aren't there (SyncMaster 226BW).

I'd love black bars honestly :/

You could also try a software util called powerstrip, which might give you more options in terms of adjusting the refresh rate/screen handling.

Site is here: http://www.entechtaiwan.com/lib/softosd.shtm

Ho lee sheet. I remember using this waaaaay back in the day. Voodoo 2 I think?

Didn't know it still existed. I'll give it a shot tomorrow. Can't be asked to deal with possibly breaking my computer tonight. thanks though :)

I have the same monitor and I have no issues, but I use an ATI card, also to get the black bars I have to get ingame then ALT-TAB to the drivers and set the scaling options, after I do that it's permanent, but I can't do that in QL so I have to do it with Q3 or QW, basically I set the res and refresh rate in Q3 or QW then ALT-TAB to the drivers while still in the same res settings and fix it up.

105

110 the guy seems like he's so far away he could blow my dog.

100 too close.

Different fov in duel is not good imho because you have close combat lg and mid range rl etc (depond on map), but in tdm/ffa is good because you have only 1 weapon (not main role in team) and you must do maximum damage with it.
You can choose anything,and you must adapt it and not change
PS: Try to aim more with keyboard, brain and on jumppaths, and you will aim good on any fov and sens

70 fov master crew

UTers use 85.

old school q2/q3 gaming gods used 120.

Back in the day I used 110.

Now I use 102 and would use 95 if I only played dule.

z4 was 90
fat and lakerman were 110
who are these gods you speak of? ;p

old school is past millennium, not some smashing pumpkins fan

since when did gods start sporting bowlcuts???

set your fov equal to # of comments.

Doing my part so he isn't stuck with an FoV below 60.

One thing that hasn't yet been mentioned is that when you set your cg_fov, it sets an FoV that has the same vertical FoV no matter what your resolution.

To explain further, let me give you an example. If you have an FoV in 16x10, you'd have to have a higher FoV to 'see as much' of the horizontal axis if you were to switch to 1280x1024

Someone plays in 16x10 (ex. 1680x1050) with 100 FoV.
If that same individual plays in 4:3 (ex. 1280x1024), they would have to have 120 FoV to have the same horizontal degrees of view. This, unfortunately, would make models much smaller on their screen.

So it's not just a matter of how much you see horizontally, and it makes it more difficult to compare your FoV to someone elses in terms of what they see, since a good number of top quakers still play in 4x3.

Fov 90 is really 106 in 16:9 (horizontal fov). The vertical is the same though.

The horizontal fov value that the game takes with cg_fov refers to what it would be at 4:3, at other aspect ratios it gets scaled internally.

For quake live anyways, Q3 behaves differently. I'm a bit fuzzy on how. I just know that quake live does it right. The only problem is that the cg_fov value becomes misleading at non 4:3 res.

Yeah I've seen a few games, the rare ones that let you set FoV, let you set the vertical FoV instead of the horizontal. That's a lot more intuitive for all of the different aspect ratios we use these days.

That's essentially what quake live does, except it translates it to vertical foV internally instead of telling you outright.

It is interesting and informative to know that 100 FoV always gives you the same sized model, regardless of resolution, ignoring stretched resolutions of course.

Q3 just sets the fov horizontally

90 in QL = 106 in Q3 @ 16:9

Hate to be the guy, but 1280x1024 is not 4:3.

Right, 5:4. I knew that, but the part of my brain that handles posting comments didn't know that.

Hope that part of your brain gets better soon~ :3

Not very likely!

90

I've mostly used 110. Just feels right. Not too far away, not too close, perfect balance. I'd rather have a higher than lower fov but that's just my personal choice.

96; btw you can get used to movement with lower fov so that shouldnt be a deciding factor IMO

are you a hax0r..