MG: cooller or czm
SG: strenx or dahang
PG: calipt - hands down!

dodging: cooller (don't you know anything? :P)
composure, aggression and speed: EVIL
movement: cooller
+backing (defensife play :P): cypher

*

Cooller

\thread

hah :]

Gauntlet: fucking anyone
MG: mine
SG: noctis
GL: evil
RL: Cypher
LG: me
RG: strenx
PG: Av3k

Timing: spart1e
Movement: walter
Speed: hal9000
Reflexes: daddy
Dodging: mine (pretty bad category, since every player has different dodge depending on the situation)
Battle tactics: Fox
Composure: Cooller
Aggression: Evil
Defensive play: Cypher
Gamesmanship: Evil

it wasn't easy but not a single Raffer :d

That's cause he's a 9.5 out of 10 in every aspect, doesn't need to have one particular thing in which he excels at.

Actually if there was the "positioning" category, that would be rapha :|

even though this thread is gay as fuck, + for walter's movement, although imo av3k's movement is even sexier when he's all warmed up and shit

Reflexes: daddy... I rofled so f*cking hard! Hahahs

i like how you included yourself.

but you shouldve chosen cooller dodge. i mean, everytime you cast him it's like "OMG THAT DODGE FROM COOLLER" on like every fight. and it's true.

Well I like mine bettter! :D

can't comment on that, never tried to shoot you.

btw i like the self-casts you do. keep 'em up please.

That's how next level my dodge is, ppl don't even try hitting me.

I will keep trying to get some of those, thanks for watching them.

haha you actually made me laugh with this lame joke

Shouldn't MG and LG be aggregated?

while they both use hitscan in the same way, the mg is used in different situations (as additional damage at range or off a fresh spawn).

"while they both use hitscan in the same way" ?? Hmmm....?
You're not talking about ql right? Cuz lg is unlagged while mg is not.

isnt quake live itself unlagged? how can it be different for two weapons?

no quake itself isn't unlagged. It can't even be unlagged for rockets (because unlagged will make rocketjumps impossible online as you'd have to jump before you fire the rocket and you'll see the explosion well after you've fired etc.).

The only weapons which are unlagged are lg and rail (I'm not entirely sure if shotgun is or is not unlagged at this moment.... it's drawn as if it's not but the drawing of the sg seems to be off).

I've only been pointing this stuff out since like forever.... so np that you missed it ;)

Itsweird that were having this conversation :o

pretty normal for me

why do I hit more MG acc than LG now?

all of ql hitscan is unlagged or better, ping reconciliation by the server is done

I think I've said that a couple of times to you... you aim somewhat based on sound rather than what you see....
For mg the sound is more accurate than for lg.

Maybe that's why Vo0 has hitbeeps disabled for LG?

I don't know what he plays with or what his reasons are.

K, thanks.

you're welcome.

Let's add some more sarcasm to this thread shall we? :D

Actually, I was being serious. I noticed that some time ago while watching his stream and it intrigued me. As you mentioned that only LG and rail are unlagged I thought that it could have something to do with that. But hey, I like sarcasm too. :)

yeah i, too, think LG DAMAGE SHOULD BE AGGREGATED!

So does this ultimate quaker only play duel? Cos that what it looks like according to you. The ultimate quaker should be best at all competitive modes including duel, tdm and ctf.

Gauntlet: Hazrd
MG: Deus
SG: Noctis
GL: Jamerio
RL: Fearzz
LG: Silencep
RG: Stermy
PG: Calipt

Timing: Spart1e
Movement/Speed: Link1n
Reflexes: Noctis
Dodging: Cooller
Battle tactics: Cypher
Composure: Evil
Aggression: Av3k
Defensive play: Latrommi
Gamesmanship: Dem0n

i prefer to stick to duel because there is no reliance on a team. you can include other modes if you like. once you add tdm and ctf, more skills become important: leadership, role switching, pu ability, communication, etc.

Woot :D

Name:Oldschool

Gauntlet: panicore
MG: czm
SG: prozac
GL: lakerman
RL: uNkind
LG: belth
RG: mikes
PG: bl0key

Timing: fatality
Movement: polosatiy
Speed: zero4
Reflexes: lexer
Dodging: cooller
Battle tactics:b100.death
Composure: stelam
Aggression: socrates
Defensive play: jibo
Gamesmanship: fox

my perfect duel player

LG/MG Serious (raw aim) or evil (utilization)
PG Av3k
SG Noctis
RL Cypher (directs) or VoO (spam)
RG K1llsen

Timing Agent
Dodging Cooller
Composure matr0x
Weapon-Selection dahang
Sportsmanship zero4

and finally the most important skill

Pillar-Play dkt

you can't be serious!

he outaims all pros. i dont like this kid, but hes really good.

you might as well nominate sanchez or daddy then.

Kidkei as serverhost, else no re.

speaking of DKT,

The hell kind of review did I just watch? Where is the frags? I'm 2m18s in, and so far I've learned nothing. I like the shell, though. Rather see the DKT pad. DKT, if I call my local Fry's and ask them if they carry your product, will you get some real marketing please?

Gauntlet: Latrommi
MG: noctis
SG: Fearz
RL: Cooller
LG: Strenx
RG: Killsen
PG: Calipt

Timing: Agent
Movement: v3rb
Speed: v3rb
Reflexes: K1llsen
Dodging: Cooller
Battle tactics: Cypher
Composure: Rapha
Aggression: Evil
Defensive play: Cypher

any idea on where to find v3rb demos/vods? u made me curious

http://www.esreality.com/post/2004107/4kings-vs-team-alpha/
http://www.esreality.com/post/2077412/srs-vs-rage/

cheers °

bitches don't know about the sg of fearzzz. 100dmg, every shot.

Name: Cypher

Gauntlet: Cypher
MG: Cypher
SG: Cypher
GL: Cypher
RL: Cypher
LG: Cypher
RG: Cypher
PG: Cypher

Timing: Cypher
Movement: Cypher
Speed: Cypher
Reflexes: Cypher
Dodging: Cypher
Battle tactics: Cypher
Composure: Cypher
Aggression: Cypher
Defensive play: Cypher
Gamesmanship: Cypher

+ for Cypher and composure. His composure IRL when he plays is insane. Impressive, so much, so, my mantra IRL is WWCD.

Gauntlet: Nsx
MG: Rapha
SG: I honestly don't know
RL: Old Cypher
LG: Strenx\K1llsen
RG: K1llsen\Strenx
PG: I have no clue.

Timing: Agent
Movement: Rapha
Speed: Rapha
Reflexes: K1llsen
Dodging: Rapha
Battle tactics: Evil\Cypher
Compsure: Rapha
Aggression: Evil
Defensive play: Cypher\Rapha
Positioning: Cypher\Rapha

Gauntlet: strenx
MG: secretariat
SG: secretariat
RL: me with my former kinzu while it still worked
LG: secretariat
RG: secretariat
PG: secretariat

Timing: secretariat
Movement: strenx
Speed: me
Reflexes: me
Dodging: cooller
Battle tactics: secretariat/evil
Compsure: evil
Aggression: evil/secretariat
Defensive play: Cypher/secretariat
Positioning: Cypher/Rapha/secretariat

Gauntlet: strenx
Mg: Tox
Gl: Prockz
Sg: Strenx
Rl: pavel
Lg: Strenx
Rg: Killsen
Pg: Tox

Timing: Spartie
Movement: Avek
Speed: Avek
Reflexes: Killsen
Dodging: Cooller
Battle tactics: Evil
Composure: Rapha
Aggression: Avek
Defensive play: Rapha
Positioning: Cypher

GL: Prockz

100% this!

best gl player ever seen. Just ridiculous what this guys hits.

he got it from Faan, i think?

demo/vod?

You dont know about alborz sir.

kankernades outta hell, iswer.

Spam :(

Yep and his pg is really sick aswell. To bad he isnt active in any cups or tournaments.

there should be also "behaviour" category :P

Name: GeorgeClintonFunkFreeUrMind&FollowUrAss

Gauntlet: Fatal1ty
MG: CZM
SG: NOCTIS
GL: Baksteen!
RL: Cypher
LG: Evil fused with strenx's DNA
RG: Killsen
PG: Av3k

Timing: Agent
Movement: Tox
Speed: Usain Bolt
Reflexes: Zero4
Dodging: neo
Battle tactics: Jaedong + Flash
Composure: Kappa
Aggression: Peter North
Defensive play: Rapha
Gamesmanship: YoloSwagGod

Positioning: Rapha
Q&A Category: Rapha
Swimsuit Category: Cooller
Photogenic Category: Fazz
Fashion Category: av3k
Psychological warfare: Jamerio
Dexterity: GORO
Whine Percentage Ratio: rapha
Confidence: Hitsu
Sex Appeal: cooller
Intelligence: AIZEN
Strength: ZSX
Relentlessness: Sanchoz + Raythenoob
Unpredictability: Miley Cyrus
Behavior: JAMALZ
Alcohol Tolerance: Spart1e
FuNk ToLEraNCe: GeOrgE CLintOn

Confidence: Hitsu

hahahahahahahahaha :D

wtf?

BanAvoidance: ZeroQL
BanUnAvoiDance: Zhu

BulletMagnet: Laim

Shard control: Agent

shard and 5hp bubbles*

Name: Cooller 'Chuck' Norris

Gauntlet: Cooller
MG: Cooller
Double Punch: Chuck Norris
SG: Cooller
GL: Cooller
Rising punch: Chuck Norris
RL: Cooller
LG: Cooller
Eagle hand: Chuck Norris
RG: Cooller
PG: Cooller
Round-house kick: Chuck Norris

Timing: Cooller
Movement: Chuck Norris
Speed: Cooller
Reflexes: Chuck Norris
Dodging: Chuck Norris
Battle tactics: Cooller
Composure: Cooller
Aggression: Chuck Norris
Defensive play: Cooller
Gamesmanship: Cooller

The ultimate Quake player has already spawned. His name is Milton.

sorry, no

I think they had a tournament to find out who were the best overall player before. They played QW, Q2, Q3 and Q4.

http://www.esportsearnings.com/tournaments/12...tournament

it should've been fox though the way the tournament was held was strange.

yep. fox was the best, but they were pushing q4, and q4 was the only advantage for tox (the eventual winner)

they werent pushing q4, it was decided by cointoss

they were. the coin was sabotaged

Yeah i know but i wanted to piss off ja ja ve ve a bit.

Lookie what we have here. Uh huh. Noted.

;D

k1llsen and agent brain. Gl beating that, oh wait u can't.

gg hitler

Gamesmanship? Do you mean sportsmanship?

sport? hah.

probably esportsmanship

gamesmanship is the opposite of sportsmanship. for instance playing mindgames.

"Gamesmanship is the use of dubious (although not technically illegal) methods to win or gain a serious advantage in a game or sport."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamesmanship

Thank you i actually had no idea.

one my favorite subtle tactics i've seen managers in football apply is to overestimate an opponent pubically, appearing genuine, in an effort to instill complacency or pressure. underestimating has the exact opposite effect usually in that it gives an opponent all the motivation they need.

Wasn't it David Beackham that said "We didn't under estimate Cameroon. They were just better then we thougt"?

Tox on everything stupids. The ultimate machine! All you newschool players ....i wish you could have speced him live in OSP tdm (later state). 80%+ rail after about 150 shots against the top of the top. At that point you needed skill to use the shaft too.

Who needs timing and tactics. Boring boring borig

Combat: Tox
Strategy: Rapha
porters: voo

what a fucking joke :D

noctis, linkin, krysa all better tdmers than tox.

he medicore in duel aswell.

tbh tox' skills are very good for a team as his damage output is insane.
Ofcourse if you put 4 of these types of players together it would become messed up. But to have someone like tox on your team is a really high added value.

You don't want to have a team with 4 players that have the same skillset. You want each to excell at a certain part and tox certainly excells in a few parts :).

no shit mate :-)

thats exactly why i did say noctis linkin krysa are better: they are much more allround, and can fit in any role in a team. probably :D

well you can't really say that one is better than the other.

It's like saying that Stephen Kiprotich (marathon winner at the 2012 olympics) is a better athlete than Usain Bolt because people in general run more than they sprint.

if we compare sprinter and marathon runner, the winner would be 10km runner, because he will do better than sprinter in marathon, and better than mar. runner in sprint :b

versatility always wins :b

if we compare sanchez and p0rt, the winner would be hitsu, because he will do better than sanchez in troll, and better than p0rt in delusional idiot. :b

versatility always wins :b

ok ok, go wank to your toxic poster on the wall.

You don't win two Quakecon duel titles if you are a mediocre duelist.

he won it in a game that was made for his aimwhoreing gamestyle.

why he didnt wont qcon in q3 osp/q3 cpma/ql?

When did av3k? When did Cooller? And also, you are talking about him as is he was a shit duel player in Quake 3.

It may not be much but he did win agains Cooller in this minor tournament: http://www.angelfire.com/me4/joeyadonis/6-q3-02-06.html#cfi

Placed fifth in Quakecon 2004(Q3)

Placed fifth at ESWC 2005(Q3)

Placed fifth at QCon 2011 tied with Avek(QL)

And from the beggining he preferred to play TDM.

he wasnt shit, and still isnt shit, but not as great as av3k cooller cypher rapha evil z4 etc etc. hes getting way too much attention compared to his results

and heartless prefers to play 1v1 ca

Are you really comparing CA to TDM. Really?

yeah.

actually 1v1 ca has more in common with duel than tdm. every fuck up of yours matters, as there are no teammates to cover your ass.

No!

i dunno how to anwser to such awesome argument.

I have a headache so i don't have the energy to make a long post explaining to you why a game mode without item pickups, weapon pickups, self damage, low focus on positioning and timing doesn't remind me if duel.

And then TDM is like a duel but with 4 players vs 4 other players. If you look at Immortal he is pretty good at duel even thou he is a TDM player while heartless is crap at duel while being a good CA player.

"low focus on positioning" say what?

serious is CA player and he good dueller.

Is he #1 at thunderstruck?

And i said low focus because you cannot take any harm in the beginning of a round. So almost all of the time you can get into position for the start of a fight.

tox #1 tdm?

wrong. go play CA.

When did i ever say that tox ever was #1 at TDM?

Is he #1 at thunderstruck?

here you implied we're comparing 2 top players from different games. and yeah, you did imply it, i never said anything about hless being something else than fan of 1v1 CA

I was talking about the CA player serious. And just because you are good at CA doesn't make you bad at duel, obviously.

But you still have not given me any argument to why you think that CA is more like a duel then TDM.

And i don't think that Toxjq is getting more attention then he deserves.

and why should serious be #1 at thunderstuck? explain please, cause i fail to see any logic in your words.

every fuck up of yours matters, as there are no teammates to cover your ass.

do u even read bro?

It was such a shitty argument that i didn't think it was serious.

if its shitty - prove its shitty.

teammates do not cover your mistakes?

you both are wrong. neither tdm or ca makes you a good duel player

i didnt say ca makes you good duel player

You didn't say that but you are still wrong. I am not by the way.

uhm

In duel and in tdm there's stack and weapon management, and situational play. Not in ca.

The first major difference is tdm and duel revolve in doing the best possible with little resources and under pressure, non existent in ca.

About situational play in particular, items respawning force players to take fights in different positions, above and below. In ca that doesn't happen, in which everyone knows the best ones for what the team or individual wants to do, there's no fight or risk involved for taking the position (rounds start after 5 seconds) and won't leave them since there's no reason to do so, making positioning much more complex in duel and tdm.

But the major difference is practical more than theoretical, which is ca induces bad habits for playing all mods that have items, those that happen to be the only competitive ones in the game. In the end it's a totally different mindset and with a different weapon selection, which is ultimately the reason why heartless will always suck at quake as he cannot make that distinction.

And c'mon, results-wise tox is among the best tdm-ers ever in q3 and in ql not to mention he clearly was the best q4 dueler, which such domination and such certainty that no other player has topped yet in any major (relevant) fps game.

edit: very much related

discipline: fatal1ty

Aim
Rockets: Cypher
Rail: consistent Killsen
Lightning: Tox

Style
Aggression: Evil
Defense: Rapha
Movement: Cypher

Everything Else
Cooller (timing, dodging, tactics, personality, etc.)

Good luck playing that monstrosity.

well, looks like it's clearly cypher.

easy one. me on 120hz.

rapin dem bichiz.

booya.

A dbz-style fusion between cooller and his q3 nemesis, tox.

i would pay a lot of money to see those both perform that gay dance :D

How about this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pKs2repDw4

looks: me

N

How the hell could we forget?

Best singer STRENX: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiBgKFk8ykU

10/10

i think it should be like this:

in general terms playstyle should be like raphas
BUT
rapha playstyle with:
cyphers rocket (no doubt here, raphas rocket its great, but cyphers is the best out there)
cooller dodge sometimes (rapha also great dodger, but i think cooller dodges a little better when attacking)
strenx lg for obvious places (when u know exactly where the oponnent its gonna be), cyphers lg for complicated defense and evil lg for crazy attacks
also
kook seems to have an internal clock, even better than raphas, i asume he times so much that he compromises a little his fighting skills, but add that timing to rapha to
thats it

why not agent timing? you cant get better than a bot

im quite sure agent is human :-)

movement vo0
pg calipt
rockets cypher
dodging cooller

l1nkin + tox = t1nkox

thincocks ?

:D

still thicker than your shaft

i use drawgun 3 and lightningstyle 5 :D

doubt it's thicker than my shaft :p

for sure cypher has the sickest lg aim. nobody recognizing this shit!

cooller dodge for sure.

and in movement i'd take ash. he's pretty quick around all maps.

cypher is insanely good with lg when you try to escape a fight.

he also has very good lg when having positional disadvantage

when you don't try to dodge that much and you do large movements left/right, his lg stick on you like it's glued

but in a fair/straight lg battle, with same stack and with almost same position, his lg starts to become less effective. for example in this kind of situation toxjq's or even strenx's LG and also probably even evil's one are better than cypher's.

yeah, but how many straight up LG fights against cypher do you have? exactly.

For me:

Damage output/aim:
Toxjq

Mentality/Stratagem/Brain:
Rapha

Would rape everyone in duel and in tdm, even if micro assets of this hypothetical player would not be quite as good as a more complicated amalgamation of quake players (cooller's dodging, cyphers rockets, agents timing etc).

Would be a scary proposition indeed :)

100% correct.

On a side note, tox has always been one of the best dodgers while hitting sick accuracies. It's just not so obvious because everyone is listening to the continuous hit-beep and is watching the almost perfect tracking.

Gauntlet: anyone
MG: Tox
SG: Strenx
LG: Tox
PG: Cooller
RL: Cypher
RG: K1llsen
GL: Evil

Timing: Agent
Dodging: Cooller
Agression: Evil
Defence: Rapha
Battle tactics: Cypher
Reflexes: Evil
Movement: -