Here is a nice discussion i had with sirax from qlranks.com about an issu we already discussed quite a few times around here. All in a polit and gentlmen way. At least i was :
[13:00] <B4ZE> hi, can i ask you to remove my QL profile from beeing tracked by your website? I am getting harrassed a lot in QL by people talking about elo all games. To the point where the game doesn't feel enjoying at all. I have a pro memebership and i don't want to pay 50euros/year to get harrassed by hysterical people whenever i play, so i ask you gently if you can just delet my account from the list and stop recording it. This is a serious request by the way,
[13:00] == sirax is away: Auto away at Fri Apr 26 03:09:18 2013
[13:01] <B4ZE> i am the real B4ZE and can prove it if you need.
[13:01] == sirax is away: Auto away at Fri Apr 26 03:09:18 2013
[13:13] <sirax> sorry we dont do that
[13:14] <B4ZE> I am sorry too because i never gave you my authorisation to do so
[13:14] <B4ZE> Your service is separate to Quakelive
[13:15] <sirax> i don't need your 'authorisation'
[13:15] <B4ZE> You are able to remove cheaters from the list i belive you can remove my account if i ask you so
[13:15] <B4ZE> I don't understand
[13:16] <sirax> everybody gets ranked
[13:16] <B4ZE> why do you don't want my acoun tto be removed ?
[13:16] <B4ZE> i don't understand
[13:16] <sirax> because i don't remove people from ranking
[13:16] <B4ZE> Why ?
[13:17] <sirax> because it causes problems for people who they play
[13:17] <B4ZE> how come ?
[13:17] <sirax> because if i don't rank 1 player, i can't rank any of the games they play
[13:17] <B4ZE> Ingame shuffle does not use your service
[13:17] <sirax> and that causes gaps in the ranking
[13:17] <B4ZE> i just ask you then to hide my account
[13:17] <B4ZE> you can keep recording it if you want
[13:17] <B4ZE> but i want to be private
[13:18] <sirax> i don't have a facility to do that
[13:18] <B4ZE> You hide people than didn't played for a long time
[13:18] <B4ZE> and you can't hide my account ?
[13:19] <sirax> nope
[13:19] <sirax> i can hide your account if you dont play for a long time
[13:19] <sirax> try that
[13:19] <B4ZE> excuse me are you telling me you are not gonna do it, just because you don't want to ?
[13:20] <sirax> basically it would require me to write code
[13:20] <sirax> just for you
[13:20] <sirax> which i'm not going to do
[13:21] <B4ZE> I see
[13:22] <B4ZE> Yet again, when i subscribed to QL
[13:22] <B4ZE> there was no mention of this qlranks treacking website
[13:22] <sirax> so?
[13:23] <B4ZE> and i know idsoftware is letting you scan there servers
[13:23] <B4ZE> there is a legal issu here
[13:23] <sirax> is there?
[13:23] <B4ZE> Yes
[13:23] <sirax> i think you'll find there isn't
[13:24] <B4ZE> I tell you there is
[13:24] <sirax> ok, contact a lawyer
[13:25] <B4ZE> that is very nice to you
[13:25] <sirax> it's nice of you to threaten me with legal action
[13:25] <B4ZE> did i said so ?
[13:25] <B4ZE> nothing has been done for the moment
[13:25] <sirax> nothing can be done
[13:26] <sirax> except you will make a fool of yourself
[13:26] <B4ZE> Unless i am mistaken some other subscribers asked you the option to hide there accounts from your website
[13:26] <sirax> one person did
[13:26] <sirax> you are the second in 2 years
[13:27] <B4ZE> i dont want to make a fool out of myself and i perfectly know there is a way i could ask my lwayer to intercept with id
[13:27] <B4ZE> but i will not do so
[13:27] <sirax> please do
[13:27] <sirax> i'm curious to see what your lawyer will say
[13:27] <sirax> 'my client is very upset that he is being ranked by a free website on the internet for a video game'
[13:28] <sirax> lol
[13:28] <B4ZE> you obviously don't respect people's privacy
[13:28] <B4ZE> and try to make a fool out of me i see
[13:28] <B4ZE> that is indeed smart of you
[13:28] <sirax> lol
[13:28] <sirax> have i invaded your privacy?
[13:29] <B4ZE> That is basicaly what i am saying since line 1
[13:29] <sirax> what you don't seem to understand is
[13:29] <sirax> you don't own quakelive.com or the data on it
[13:29] <sirax> you don't 'own' b4ze
[13:29] <sirax> and you don't 'own' the data about b4ze
[13:30] <B4ZE> neither do you
[13:30] <sirax> I own the data on qlranks.com
[13:30] <B4ZE> yet you have there implicit aknowledgement and rights to use there data
[13:30] <B4ZE> and it is not in the TOS
[13:30] <B4ZE> so asking you gently to hide me from your website is too much for you
[13:31] <B4ZE> right
[13:31] <B4ZE> i dont "own"
[13:31] <B4ZE> right
[13:31] <sirax> i doesn't have to be in their terms of service
[13:31] <sirax> i'm trying to save you the embarassment of you talking to a legal professional about this
[13:32] <sirax> and the cost
[13:32] <B4ZE> i will because it is free for me and i am curious about it
[13:32] <B4ZE> but far from me the idea to go over it
[13:32] <sirax> ok, good luck
[13:32] <B4ZE> i was just asking you kindly "if" you could and "when you have the time"
[13:33] <sirax> i am literally not going to ever do it
[13:33] <B4ZE> may i post this to esreality.com ?
[13:34] <B4ZE> my i add that i respect the work you have ddone and so on
[13:34] <B4ZE> i hope you won't feel bad about it
[13:34] <sirax> feel bad about what?
[13:35] <B4ZE> about what we discussed
[13:36] <sirax> I don't feel bad
[13:36] <sirax> i think you should just have a long think about it
[13:36] <sirax> i'll tell you what
[13:36] <sirax> i can make your elo ranking lower if you like
[13:36] <sirax> so people don't harass you because you're obviously so good and famous at ca ;)
[13:37] <B4ZE> it will solve nothing
[13:37] <sirax> why?
[13:37] <B4ZE> in 2 weeks i will be again in the first page
[13:37] <sirax> lets see
[13:37] <B4ZE> you seem to try and make this discussion go in a bad maner, i find it disapointing
[13:37] <sirax> contact me in 2 weeks
[13:38] <B4ZE> May i post this log to esr for the sake of people knowing about this issu?
[13:38] <sirax> there i've permanently lowered your elo
[13:38] <sirax> you won't ever get above around 1800
[13:38] <B4ZE> can you make it a t 0 then ?
[13:38] <sirax> nope
[13:39] <sirax> it's 949
[13:39] <B4ZE> 949 then
[13:39] <sirax> and you won't get above 1500
[13:39] <sirax> actually i'll set it to permanently 1500
[13:39] <B4ZE> i see
[13:40] <B4ZE> i know some other people that wants to be hiden from yoru website
[13:40] <B4ZE> may i post this to esr ?
[13:40] <sirax> nope
[13:40] <B4ZE> np
[13:40] <sirax> ok your elo is 1629
[13:40] <sirax> permanently
[13:40] <B4ZE> can you mnake it 949 as you said ?
[13:40] <sirax> no, that would affect other people too much
[13:41] <B4ZE> doesn't make sens
[13:41] <B4ZE> well
[13:41] <B4ZE> as you can see this changelog
[13:41] <B4ZE> you doesn't "own" it
[13:41] <B4ZE> so i al gonna copy past it to esr
[13:41] <sirax> huh?
[13:42] <B4ZE> ty for the discussion anyway you took the time to have some fun
[13:42] <sirax> shrug bye
[13:00] == sirax is away: Auto away at Fri Apr 26 03:09:18 2013
[13:01] <B4ZE> i am the real B4ZE and can prove it if you need.
[13:01] == sirax is away: Auto away at Fri Apr 26 03:09:18 2013
[13:13] <sirax> sorry we dont do that
[13:14] <B4ZE> I am sorry too because i never gave you my authorisation to do so
[13:14] <B4ZE> Your service is separate to Quakelive
[13:15] <sirax> i don't need your 'authorisation'
[13:15] <B4ZE> You are able to remove cheaters from the list i belive you can remove my account if i ask you so
[13:15] <B4ZE> I don't understand
[13:16] <sirax> everybody gets ranked
[13:16] <B4ZE> why do you don't want my acoun tto be removed ?
[13:16] <B4ZE> i don't understand
[13:16] <sirax> because i don't remove people from ranking
[13:16] <B4ZE> Why ?
[13:17] <sirax> because it causes problems for people who they play
[13:17] <B4ZE> how come ?
[13:17] <sirax> because if i don't rank 1 player, i can't rank any of the games they play
[13:17] <B4ZE> Ingame shuffle does not use your service
[13:17] <sirax> and that causes gaps in the ranking
[13:17] <B4ZE> i just ask you then to hide my account
[13:17] <B4ZE> you can keep recording it if you want
[13:17] <B4ZE> but i want to be private
[13:18] <sirax> i don't have a facility to do that
[13:18] <B4ZE> You hide people than didn't played for a long time
[13:18] <B4ZE> and you can't hide my account ?
[13:19] <sirax> nope
[13:19] <sirax> i can hide your account if you dont play for a long time
[13:19] <sirax> try that
[13:19] <B4ZE> excuse me are you telling me you are not gonna do it, just because you don't want to ?
[13:20] <sirax> basically it would require me to write code
[13:20] <sirax> just for you
[13:20] <sirax> which i'm not going to do
[13:21] <B4ZE> I see
[13:22] <B4ZE> Yet again, when i subscribed to QL
[13:22] <B4ZE> there was no mention of this qlranks treacking website
[13:22] <sirax> so?
[13:23] <B4ZE> and i know idsoftware is letting you scan there servers
[13:23] <B4ZE> there is a legal issu here
[13:23] <sirax> is there?
[13:23] <B4ZE> Yes
[13:23] <sirax> i think you'll find there isn't
[13:24] <B4ZE> I tell you there is
[13:24] <sirax> ok, contact a lawyer
[13:25] <B4ZE> that is very nice to you
[13:25] <sirax> it's nice of you to threaten me with legal action
[13:25] <B4ZE> did i said so ?
[13:25] <B4ZE> nothing has been done for the moment
[13:25] <sirax> nothing can be done
[13:26] <sirax> except you will make a fool of yourself
[13:26] <B4ZE> Unless i am mistaken some other subscribers asked you the option to hide there accounts from your website
[13:26] <sirax> one person did
[13:26] <sirax> you are the second in 2 years
[13:27] <B4ZE> i dont want to make a fool out of myself and i perfectly know there is a way i could ask my lwayer to intercept with id
[13:27] <B4ZE> but i will not do so
[13:27] <sirax> please do
[13:27] <sirax> i'm curious to see what your lawyer will say
[13:27] <sirax> 'my client is very upset that he is being ranked by a free website on the internet for a video game'
[13:28] <sirax> lol
[13:28] <B4ZE> you obviously don't respect people's privacy
[13:28] <B4ZE> and try to make a fool out of me i see
[13:28] <B4ZE> that is indeed smart of you
[13:28] <sirax> lol
[13:28] <sirax> have i invaded your privacy?
[13:29] <B4ZE> That is basicaly what i am saying since line 1
[13:29] <sirax> what you don't seem to understand is
[13:29] <sirax> you don't own quakelive.com or the data on it
[13:29] <sirax> you don't 'own' b4ze
[13:29] <sirax> and you don't 'own' the data about b4ze
[13:30] <B4ZE> neither do you
[13:30] <sirax> I own the data on qlranks.com
[13:30] <B4ZE> yet you have there implicit aknowledgement and rights to use there data
[13:30] <B4ZE> and it is not in the TOS
[13:30] <B4ZE> so asking you gently to hide me from your website is too much for you
[13:31] <B4ZE> right
[13:31] <B4ZE> i dont "own"
[13:31] <B4ZE> right
[13:31] <sirax> i doesn't have to be in their terms of service
[13:31] <sirax> i'm trying to save you the embarassment of you talking to a legal professional about this
[13:32] <sirax> and the cost
[13:32] <B4ZE> i will because it is free for me and i am curious about it
[13:32] <B4ZE> but far from me the idea to go over it
[13:32] <sirax> ok, good luck
[13:32] <B4ZE> i was just asking you kindly "if" you could and "when you have the time"
[13:33] <sirax> i am literally not going to ever do it
[13:33] <B4ZE> may i post this to esreality.com ?
[13:34] <B4ZE> my i add that i respect the work you have ddone and so on
[13:34] <B4ZE> i hope you won't feel bad about it
[13:34] <sirax> feel bad about what?
[13:35] <B4ZE> about what we discussed
[13:36] <sirax> I don't feel bad
[13:36] <sirax> i think you should just have a long think about it
[13:36] <sirax> i'll tell you what
[13:36] <sirax> i can make your elo ranking lower if you like
[13:36] <sirax> so people don't harass you because you're obviously so good and famous at ca ;)
[13:37] <B4ZE> it will solve nothing
[13:37] <sirax> why?
[13:37] <B4ZE> in 2 weeks i will be again in the first page
[13:37] <sirax> lets see
[13:37] <B4ZE> you seem to try and make this discussion go in a bad maner, i find it disapointing
[13:37] <sirax> contact me in 2 weeks
[13:38] <B4ZE> May i post this log to esr for the sake of people knowing about this issu?
[13:38] <sirax> there i've permanently lowered your elo
[13:38] <sirax> you won't ever get above around 1800
[13:38] <B4ZE> can you make it a t 0 then ?
[13:38] <sirax> nope
[13:39] <sirax> it's 949
[13:39] <B4ZE> 949 then
[13:39] <sirax> and you won't get above 1500
[13:39] <sirax> actually i'll set it to permanently 1500
[13:39] <B4ZE> i see
[13:40] <B4ZE> i know some other people that wants to be hiden from yoru website
[13:40] <B4ZE> may i post this to esr ?
[13:40] <sirax> nope
[13:40] <B4ZE> np
[13:40] <sirax> ok your elo is 1629
[13:40] <sirax> permanently
[13:40] <B4ZE> can you mnake it 949 as you said ?
[13:40] <sirax> no, that would affect other people too much
[13:41] <B4ZE> doesn't make sens
[13:41] <B4ZE> well
[13:41] <B4ZE> as you can see this changelog
[13:41] <B4ZE> you doesn't "own" it
[13:41] <B4ZE> so i al gonna copy past it to esr
[13:41] <sirax> huh?
[13:42] <B4ZE> ty for the discussion anyway you took the time to have some fun
[13:42] <sirax> shrug bye
Edited by wn at 07:51 CDT, 26 April 2013 - 58485 Hits