dont wanna be a sceptical but areowalk is really small and its easy to get the impression someone cheats and from one demo
its really hard to tell.
looks like a alt of someone.

it's neither

it's not an alt account? tell me how you come to this conclusion

because i think i know who it is

then it surely it IS an alt account

i know the guy. he's a polish player, stream watcher and active on polish community site http://quake.net.pl/

he's talking about druwin

oh shyt! brane malfunction

I am a fuckin' celebrity.

its an rtcw/ ETplayer , "razz" he was at Adroits lan and even won it. he is playin quake "seriously" for few mounths.Ive played him on aero and there was nothing special , that video shows nothing weird aswell except a guy running with LG. next plz

and by your rtcw icon i suspect u know the guy. since u come to the conclussion it is him from taht nick. Well more will come, and how drunk are u hes tracking at walls.. not aiming at outsteps or curves.

yes i know him and even played against him already. you are beeing paranoiac here
that video shows NOTHING suspicious. his high LG usage is due to him beeing new at QL i think and the only weapon he is good with :P.

actually u were at server taht time i know now.. and talking so u friends shocking.

alt? u mean he's supose to be good when he cant even strafejump and make it to RA? i have 2 full demos with disaster's obvious cheating. and i cant belive theres people falling for this. i just say 1 think ... 57% lg use.

First of all why the hell is a picture of Counter Strike here?

Secondly, this isn't suspicious at all, as Snow_Crash said, it's easy to get the impression.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ38XrxscSs

That's what your video matches up to, Strenx is a known professional (even though he retired) and he got accused as well right here. These videos look similar.

To be honest, looking at his stats it seems that he is someone that has played CPMA considering he only plays Aerowalk. It also looks like it may be an alternate, hard to tell though.

I don't know why you guys are accusing him really. Unless I'm missing where he cheats (highly unlikely).

About the LG Usage as posted in the description of your video, I don't see the issue with that. When I was on QL, I used the LG like all the time I really don't even see what's suspicious about that!

Well, if u play duel. i played loads of Ca, and i favour LG.. and i have 35% usuage. in CA!
how the hell do u get 57 in duel?
RL spams, GL spams he dont do it. why? whats the point when u can do clear pickups and be evasive , second.. whats the point when u shot only to hit.. 1 part of the demo he tries to hide with lg out cause the polack actually turn the game around. hes no ALT.. omg. hes movments and wpns of choice are rofl.

0:22 only moment that bothered me. Shaft on model behind the wall.

yeah might be the most obvious there is, but the rocketjump when he aims through the floor at the model all the time? 3:53

why not Rl-jump assume he went for a weapon RL or RG?

That was the only thing though, and during a 10 min game you do atleast one crazy "cheat" looking thing.

Don't let this get to you, ignore all trash talkers just keep on playing if you Love the game.

I think he played legit.

2:55 he aims the wrong way, while he only have 22hp, if he had cheats, he Would see him coming with the sg out and so close to mega spawning, do all he can to survive. And the opponent missing that round of sg is just showing the caliber of the player.

3:53 pretty good guess on that failed rj. suspicious...

Ok watched second vid, 0:43. Thats a deal breaker. He use cheats

He shoots at the player, when he realize that he isn't visible, since he Doesn't know the map Angles well enough, he tries to random spam to the left to cover it up.

2:30 tracks the nade, probably due to some esp cheat.

Can you atleast be a little more focused with your denial and say what kind of hack you're accusing the guy of? From your video I get the impression you think he wallhacks but:

1) aerowalk
2) you ignore parts where it's obvious he doesn't see through walls
3) aerowalk

as i said , he got blamed for WH, and he knows about this. ist a first game. vids will come.

all this white girls

you just got owned, deal with it ;)

and not even that badly. butthurt much

Yeah everyone cheats on aerowalk get used to it.

it's cheats, first off.. THEY GUY KNOW hes udner suspecion this match up since he got complains about cheat. he cant move he hides with lg out and run around with RG out.

he autofire through wall with LG as deadlift says.. He shot's ffs at a rocket cause the projectile clearly as on wolfcam looks liek a drop. and also look at the lg tracking he dont waste a single LG round corners. i can fix full demos.. its plenty of material.

And i dont know if u guys are blind. but only time this guys spamms rockets are when he wants to get ridd of suspecioin and its no effrts even in em. nota single grenade spam or RL at RA pickups on hub?
Also one thing u all forget
check out he's QLranks 57% lg use? wtf is that?

1500 elo is your answer.

57% lg use is simply a guy that uses a shitload of lg. if you look a bit more, you see he only hits 29% with it, so he clearly doesn't have an aimbot.

and the dude has 1500 elo vs pawulon (your?) with 1150 or so - clearly is a lot better than you, not just cheating.

get a life

he loses to paw if u really checked Qlranks , and wait for it. second vid is on its way.

it's still not clear what you're getting at...

and there's absolutely nothing that is obvious from these videos, other than the fact that both of these guys are relatively sub-par quake players

There is nothing obvious, but there are a lot of strange things going on:
0:11-0:13 tracking through wall
0:14-:0:16 tracking through wall
0:25 very strange
0:33-0:34 tracking through wall
0:34-0:35 tracking through wall
2:35 & 2:37 aim through wall
3:36 & 3:37 aim through wall
3:52 - 3:54 now thats a coincidence

As said above, nothing of this is super conclusive in fact all of these might be 'bad luck' or random, BUT it sure looks kinda ugly. For a supposedly new player he's got awesome map awareness and rather good timing.

sorry, but map awareness vs some 1200 elo noob (sorry pawulon_) is pretty easy if you're even just a little bit better (which druwin is).

Do you want my demo against you? I hit everything that game, thats why i won, i'm not a cheater

i'd love to see that, just so we can disprove this ridiculous notion that you're a cheater :P

not a single obvious action. xD like kanzakiii said, being etplayer means he'll have strong LG and maybe rail too but other than that you should be embarrassed to lose to a rookie.

He can't do the RA jump because his movement IS BAD. But guy is a top level et/rtcw player with decent aim(not the brightest one though).
He is new to the game and he relies on his aim heavily, and basically utilizes one strategy on aero: time only mega and camp RA with LG/rail to a) deny lg from you, b) so he doesn't have to time 2 items.

Can't believe someone who has seen him play thinks he cheats :D

I don't really want to comment on this specific guy (as I don't want to watch the vid).

But I've been playing on normal servers for a while now.... and really the cheats are kind of out of hand. I'm kinda inactive and don't really care about playing vs cheats (as it's somewhat challanging to beat them). But when I hop on a server and like 4 / 5 of them has a clear cheat winning the game. I do believe that QL has a problem with cheaters.

Now I do play on really strange times.... so perhaps that also has to do with it. But the amount of games I lost to people who have a new account (which is banned shortly after) is just rediculous.

You also accuse premium players ;). Be a bit less butthurt.

While some people are more paranoid than others, it is also true that cheating in QL is outrageously easy and can be done hundreds of times without losing a penny.

If it were mainstream the game would be filled with cheaters. On the other hand its unpopularity is the reason why it isn't, and why I haven't seen a cheater in-game in years.

I whine about stuff going through / plays not making sense a lot more often than I just say that someone cheats.... maybe you're confusing the 2?

I'm not that fast at accusing anyone of a cheat... like his skills must be fairly out of whack for me to accuse people (for instance 40pc lg and 0 timing ability).

You called a mate out that he had either the luck of his life or just plain wh. Btw. he doesnt time :D

So I didn't actually call him a cheater right? I called him lucky.

There is a pretty clear "either" there.... meaning it's one or the other.
If I say someone cheats I'm a lot more sure about it than when I give him an option ;)

you guys must just choose bad players to play with - i honestly haven't come across a cheater for SOOOOO long and i've been playing duel in NA for years now. i honestly don't get what all the whine is about :/

well how often do u play people u dont know`?

a lot

...

It could be less in the usa ofcourse... I haven't played there in a long long time hehe

moreover all cheaters have high ping so you can't dodge!

yeah, its really a problem. its easy to know when u play em as well.
I really think that has to do with what style u are as well. i play fgor positions almsot everytime. im oldschool q2 player, i came second to welkin at a rz lan vaxjo long ago. hes was good back then at that scene. when q3 came i did well once i had low ping at friends or lans with broadband. (had poor connection home). then i started play CS kinda high lvl attended 2 CPL, eswc qualify lost to EYE.
lost OT to mouz on inf at playoffs.(think it was 1/8).
And won plenty online local lans.
my point.. i have experience, im inactive.. but i know when i play a good honest person, i had the chance play some nice good guys the dh days now, its diffrent being owned by plays, perfect spamm cutoffs/intercetipns then a guy always prefire and sneak up on u in the most weird places..
i agree some plays look normal.. completly lost.. but i tell u i didnt catch all on this guy and he was warned for cheating. and obvisouly some things where u even hear the other play move away he still stand spamming (teleport second vid), it feels like hes trying mislead the accusation.
i talked with the player he played as well he felt he knew too much sometimes as well (the polack actually won in the end).

Dude, i don't want to be offensive, but even if you play for ages you can be stomped by an average legit player, deal with it and improve.

its not that he stomped me legit.. i get over it i enjoy going to blackboard and improve positions in sitatuions,
ex "
maybe i should went windows when i had lower stack there to just hit rail or rush RA when he grabs mega to better poss making dmg on that pickup"

"i should fake jumped other side platform to YA so he come out and the be ready with shaft , isntead of waiting for railshot wasting time before ra spawn so i can take poss on mega."

those kinda things when i watch a demo.. not jsut a random with no movement , he dont defend or delay by rocket spam etc.. he has 57% lg usage and just shows up randomly at u when u cover angle and made no sound what so ever.

"hi
i told you allready im not a cheater
i played fps games for 10 years
just a good aimer"

its not the aim that bothers me.. not at all.. its just u cant adept or change any plays he's not offensive or any. its just he attacks always when guard is down feeling when it make no sence.

Yeah, at late hours in free servers is out of control.

Duel is almost unplayable, team games sort of compensate it, you'll find yourself, while spectating as dead, cheering for your team's #1 cheater to beat the opponent's ones, which is incredibly ridicolous.
The only, partial, solution, is to play duel only with peoples you know and thrust.

The level of homosexuality in this post...

"... people you know and thrust"

:D

XD
I had to google translate the single word, without the help of drinking_soma i would have never understood why.
Today i learned the subtle yet substantial difference between trust and thrust, but i think i'll leave the post unedited :-)

:D:D:D
made my day honestly

If you think this guy is cheating you've obviously never seen someone cheat with ogc back in the old q3 days. 1) "tracking through the walls" no he isnt, he is playing by the sound que, its REALLY easy to hear were your opponent is on aerowalk especially when he isnt a sneaking around much... 2) His aim was not good, it was the opponents strafing that was shit (sorry dude but you REALLY need to work on it)
3) I see people complain alot about cheaters, i havent encountered a single one. When i lose games i go watch the demo and see were i did wrong.

People are so fast to accuse someone of cheating when they play different/ use unexpected aggression and have good aim instead of looking at their own game and improving it. The mentality of the lower elo players is just out of this world "if i get beaten it HAS to be a cheater, especially if he aims better than me cause im god in this game!". Do it over and do it right. Demo, analyze, reflect,improve.

If it was cypher under a fakenick, would you still moan cheater? Yea didnt think so.

// aZ1d

really u think he moves like cypher.. and wehn he been accused he stands when u obvisouly hear the opponent move away to ya side , still eh stands spamm the teleport exit and u see the reaction time as well before he decide to spamm it its like a slight delay like "lets not be obvious" watch it and look and think about it again.

and have NOONE seen the autofire he does and spray the wall? and seen the autofire in the wall on first vid. 2 times in 20 mins he firs lg in the walls..
REMEMBEr he knwos hes being watched.

and its funny.. no1 mention or even react on hes fire on the projectiles.. how often do u go around and shot on grenades poppin or rockets infront of u. i can swear no1 in the world has that reactiontime when he shot the rocket at the rocket on green pickup at Ya side.. its a clip with WH and without.. check it and figure if u react that fast.

Explain a bit 2), because that's actually what I'm trying to improve.

Pawulon you act accordingly to the situation you were put in, you went aggresive when he just recently killed you and you didnt do enough damage to get him low. Right of the bat you went for lg (when you spawned on by RA) instead of listening to were he positioned himself. When you went into the LG battle with him (mostly up by RA) you did long strafes instead of trying to throw his aim off, just strafing left to right constantly in a smooth pace is just gonna make it that much easier for him to keep that beam on you.

What you need to work on based on those videos;
1) What to do right of spawn and what to do right after being killed.
2) Work on your positional play, if you know a guy has good aim with LG how do you counter it on a map like aero?
3) Movement, movement is key in this game, move smoothly and fast. When trying to get position on him dont make to much noise cause thats just gonna let him know were you are (this is how he knew were to aim most of the time).
4) Learn how to use the soundques, you seemed confused in some situations and that gave him free damage.
5) Timing, timing the items is key! The more health and armor you get your hands on during the 10 minutes the bigger the chance to succeed is.
6) Mapcontrol: In this game controlling only the armors and mega is not all that you are supposed to do. Control the weapons too, if you can keep him off rail and lg for a good amount of time, that limits his ways to attack you. If he hasnt gotten his hands on LG then you take the fight to mid range and shaft him to pieces. Utilize your arsenal and control his arsenal.

k0z sigh. I dont know if your trolling or what, but stuff like that is really really comon among the good players. Spamming at certain points because you read your opponent right is standard, its not about reaction, its about reading your opponents movements.

//aZ1d

omg the thing is HE DONT SPAMM to block of exits or pickups..
thats the point when u play him.. he dont cut u off by nade rain's or rocket spam he jsut walk around with LG.

the point his HE SHOTS at the projectiles that the other spam. and last thing im gonna do is short clip of the suspect moments u havet oface it to realyl understand.
when u play good players u can see the schematic the "idea" behind plays positions. vs this guy u hold a angle and as soon u swap wpn or let angle go he charges u in the ass.. and it has nothing to do with sound.. cause in the vod here it also include questionable moments where u can obviously hear the opponent move away from him still he takes the time to "think" "lets spam here 2 times so it dont look stupid".. which i really dont get cause it can go 5 mins with just lg in the hands and perfect timing catch opponent offguard.

Dear denizens of ESR, please don't bother explaining this to the OP any further, it will just end in tragedy)

I played this guy and hes really shit dunno why u think he cheats I was shooting 70rail vs him may aswell have been playing vs an afker

:D

This guy is so legit it hurts. Because he's bad. His badness hurts me. It legitimately hurts me.

hope you're ok!

It broke my leg.

oh jeez, sorry to hear that man. but i can see how that could happen - this dude really is bad!

Please stop claiming "He is definitely not cheating because he is so bad".
That's a faulty argument and we all know that.

Someone made a list of all these common 'non-sequiturs' but unfortunately I can't find it. I will [+] for link, if anyone can find it.

the best argument of newbs who cant tell the difference in general is " but his acc isnt that high " nuff sed..

the thread itself is complete crap.. watching a demo on aerowalk with wh enabled.. as if people who know that map dont know where their enemy is 99% of the time.

yes, people know 100% agree.

but people also aim at the corners or a bit away from the corner. The subject of this thread however tends to aim (and sometimes even fire) at the walls, at the exact spot where his opponent is.

This behavior is definitely NOT normal, contrary to what the majority here tries to claim. On the other hand this could have other reasons than wallhack.

So why can't we just agree on this:
"It looks extremely strange, but is not obvious enough for a judgement".
?

people aim at corners.. theres this banned newb on ql who got banned over a year ago - name was voda.

he uploaded vids like he does now on own3d.tv - implying people all cheat.

hes doing it again.. this is one of his vids among his superb channel..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN3tQnOVaes

wh? hardly.. i just flick to where i think the enemy will be at all times - regardless if theres corner action or not.

well i do that all the time, because brain predicts movement, and sometimes forgets wall and such is in the way, or something along those lines. Fact is, the shooting at wall when opponent is at corner is VERY common.

just look at the other clips on that channel, kid is paranoid beyond belief.

no need to give him attention then. Another one of those really bad players that think they are good, and everyone beating them, be it 1v1 fighting or the whole match, presumes cheats before anything.

word

damn, dem blu boxez! wish my wolfcam could do that ^ ^

also what ive mean, i dont think he runs around all the time with something.. it feels hes completly lost sometimes thats the point. then all of sudden hes fucking spot on 24/7 and shot at everything. even through the walls and even aiming at rockets coming in behind walls.

This is getting a bit out of hand.
Ive just started playing this game seriously last month.
I only play Bloodrun/cure/aerowalk because i have not learned any other maps.
I use LG so much because its overpowered in my hands.
Rail is also so easy.
Aerowalk is such a small map is looks like everyone hacking when you spec them, you can guess where your oppenent is goint to spawn most times because you can block off some spawns they can spawn by staying on that side of map.
k0z plz delete this

try watching without wh enabled. you can hear exactly where ppl is when they make that much noise. I'm not good at analyzing games at all, but accusing someone of using wh on aerowalk is just silly.

the point is in the demo it clearly show how bad sound he has. u could clearly HEAR the opponent move away sometimes ex at RG tele. still he "aha im gonna spamm hear cause of spectator" moment apears takes like 500ms before he turns and dance and spam rockets like he havent done a single time in the games. he dont spam cut off with rockets on pickups at all.. just having lg out.

i dobnt know what, i just know its very strange behavious shoting spot on like autofire through walls more then 2 times on 20 minutes.. thats strange. that might happen 1 time of 50 games for normal ones.
Also the rocketjump when he chase the frag for tied up the game at GL / ya, he has the crosshair entiretime at him on the way up waiting for fire but he dont manage the jump.. he dont make sounds here the other guy,,, same with the other spams through walls.. he dont make sound ANYHOW u dont spam in walls even tho u hear.. so.
somethign weird it is, im gonna make a clip with jsut those moms slowmo. and u will see what im saying , remember its all in 20 mins.

Lol, stop being such a spaz and get better - if you beat him all the time, who cares if he cheats (which he doesn't).

For example, I felt the same about Yufli (thought he cheated cuz he hit like 50% plasma all the time) but then I practiced and got better than him. I'm still not sure if he cheats or not, but I don't care because I can beat him, even if he's cheating.

Watching demos with wh on isn't the way to go, you pick any demo from any decent player and it'll look to you as if they were wallhacking. Any good player knows pretty much exactly where the other guy is at all times with just basic sound ques and map knowledge, leave alone if the opponent isn't at their level when it becomes so much easier. (In aerowalk anyway)

LOL SERIOUS STOP FAKING!